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@Cicada - they never really used assembler. Shaders are actually an old concept, going back at least as far as Pixar's RenderMan software. The massively parallel (and massively expensive) Pixel Planes machine did parallel 'shading' of a sort. (like a steam-powered GPU!).
> But why the error showing, i didn't understand
@EtiennedeMartel just candy, right
@BrettHale D3DX did have assembly shaders. Well, it was a special sort of assembly.
You have to understand what typedef does. You can't just make up stuff and expect it to work. Computer programming is not voodoo. — Raymond Chen 16 mins ago
this
@FredOverflow Well, there's plenty of people who think it's voodoo. "It doesn't compile! I'll throw a * somewhere and try again"
17:03
@FredOverflow : Is assembly even more lower level than C?
Ell
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`Model.h:31:13: error: duplicate ‘const’`
`void Draw (const glm::vec3 const& pos, glm::vec3 const& rot, glm::vec3 const& scale) const;`
...I don't see it :S
Or is it the same level?
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Ell
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@GamesBrainiac lower level
@Zoidberg meh.
17:04
@FredOverflow - A fine day, when I got my flat shaded rasterizer to work, with dot product Lambertian shading. I went fruit-picking in Summer and blew most of it on my 486DX2-66 and MASM. As you can imagine, I quickly lost that outdoor tan.
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Oh missing comma
@Ell you shouldve linked it to me
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@BartekBanachewicz D:<
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Will in the future
@GamesBrainiac sure
17:04
@Ell i put const and & together
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Oh
@Zoidberg oh, good lobster, just correct that white overlap :)
@Ell const glm::vec3 const& pos
It's more readable for me
and easier to edit
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@BartekBanachewicz wat.
17:05
@FredOverflow : This was an interesting question stackoverflow.com/questions/4960224/…
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The white overlap is great.
@BrettHale You had an outdoor tan in the first place? Wow.
@Zoidberg it ends too close to vertical black line; it isn't pleasant
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Thanks :)
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@BartekBanachewicz Change the resolution of your screen and problem solved.
17:06
@GamesBrainiac If I wanted to learn a new language, it should be an interesting one, not a "fast one".
Wow, this language totally blows my mind, it is 2% faster than C++!!!
@BrettHale I had 486DX too :)
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Languages are not faster than other languages.
Frankly. I learnt Python and Java. Then learnt JS and was about to learn PhP. But then C++ came along.
Ell
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Phew that was close
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PHP and Java are the worst languages ever.
17:08
To be honest, I could do everythign I wanted with Python and Java
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Never ever learn or use them.
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It's a sin.
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we just about saved him before he hit php
I have no choice but to use PhP, all free servers support it
^ yes
@GamesBrainiac dude. stop talking about PHP in this room
17:09
@BartekBanachewicz : I know a lot of people hate PhP, but for simple things, it aint that bad
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@BartekBanachewicz Scene.cpp:24:7: error: invalid use of incomplete type ‘class CModel’ - I guess you aren't using Scene yet? orr ?
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` Model->Draw(Position, Rotation, Scale);`
@FredOverflow That was the sacrifice demanded by fruit picking. Australian Summers are slightly warm. Imagine my rage when I thought victory was in my grasp, only to discover something called 'subpixel accuracy' and other tie-breaker conventions. I was once again reduced to a novice, seeking wisdom in a cold universe...
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@JerryCoffin Befunge is well-designed, interesting and fun.
17:10
TIL I learned that I have two distinct 9th symphony recordings
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PHP is only fun (as in hilarious) and Java is neither.
@Zoidberg Ineresting I'll grant -- but well designed? Certainly not for actual use.
@BrettHale I never got to subpixel accuracy. I had my spinning cube, and that was all I needed to make me happy :)
@GamesBrainiac it is
@BartekBanachewicz ...but no matter how many you get, they still all have the choral crap at the end.
17:10
@Ell remove scene too
@JerryCoffin hey! I just turned that on just for that choral crap :)
blows dust off the roof
@FredOverflow : Do you hate PHP too?
@BartekBanachewicz - It was the envy of my 386 owning friends! Floating-point co-processor built-in! I remembered thinking, "this is what life is like for famous people all the time!"
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LOL a cylinder of 1500000 liters of cow poop has exploded in The Netherlands.
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@BartekBanachewicz I know there are people who think it was Beethoven's greatest stroke of genius (among many). Such people are obviously insane.
@GamesBrainiac I have never tried PHP, so I have no opinion on it.
17:12
@JerryCoffin I know people who prefer Chopin over Beethoven. :P Matter of taste.
@JerryCoffin I like his 5th best.
But yes, 5th is better
Fuck, just got another downvote on my top question. I guess people see no value in trying to understand UB on a particular environment.
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hooorah! Built target Engine. Now let's see if it works :L
@BartekBanachewicz Preferring Chopin is a matter of lack of taste.
17:13
@BartekBanachewicz It begins with "C Plus Plus Plus, C Plus Plus Plus..."
Either that or I pissed someone off. lol
@Zoidberg Radioactive cow poop?
@Mysticial regarding that last question to you, I solved it. Accumulated errors made me fail to flip the sign of float.
@Mysticial Shit man, now it has only +6105 votes!!
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@FredOverflow nah, it starts with C#.
17:13
@FredOverflow - It was terrible. It ate at me. I had pen and paper out, working through 'floor' and 'ceiling' functions, and just what constituted 'on' a pixel. I still wake up in a cold sweat screaming "PIXEL, PIXEL, PIXEL!" occasionally. I'm better now.
@JerryCoffin :)
@BrettHale I did that not too long ago when I implemented sub-pixel squares. Fun. Animations look so much better.
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Real programmers use C♮.
Fuck, I can't star on a phone.
Real programmers use whatever gets the job done instead of wasting time in chat rooms, bitching about what is the perfect programming language. Or even worse, invent their own language, which will solve all problems for everyone.
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17:16
@FredOverflow : lol
Star: I can't fuck on a phone.
Phone: I can't fuck on a star.
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Samsung Star?
@Cicada - just be content to wish upon one.
@Cicada Sounds like something E.T. would say.
17:17
points luminous finger
@Bartek accumulate errors flipping the sign bit? How's that possible? lol
tried to statically link with iso=c++11 while crosscompiling for some ancient embeded linux.... using <thread> causes gdb to die... dont do it kids
@FredOverflow One point I've always found interesting: everybody's favorites are in the odd numbers. Beethoven's even numbered symphonies are mostly quite forgettable by comparison. Yes, Pastoral is nice, but still hardly anybody's favorite, and it seems to be (by far) the most popular of the even numbers.
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Bartek, y u no use braces on all ifs!
@FredOverflow - I've been using GraphicsMagick (like ImageMagick) C++ API for a bit now. I still have this mad compulsion not to trust any foreign line or circle drawing code. Did they read CGPP (Foley & Van Dam)? I will admit though, that this level of paranoia is beginning to impact on my productivity.
17:20
@JerryCoffin That's like the opposite of Star Trek movies, right? :)
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@NoSenseEtAl fu!
@Zoidberg you mean FU, or fuuuuuuuuuuuuu
@BrettHale Many years ago I overcame those fears when I switched to OpenGL and got several orders of magnitude performance improvements. But I feel ya.
@FredOverflow I have no idea. Never been a big (or even small) Trek fan. Decent science fiction seems to be restricted to books.
Is Star Trek to science fiction what Diablo is to RPGs? :)
17:23
@FredOverflow I've no idea -- never tried Diablo at all.
Do you restrict your role playing to D&D?
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linker errors woo! my favorite!
@FredOverflow No. Only ever tried D&D once.
I think one day I'm gonna put "undefined reference" errors on my CV for the lulz.
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I'll put Prolog and B-Method.
That'll help me get a job fo sho
17:25
@JerryCoffin That's one more time than I did :)
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CVs are UB.
@FredOverflow Yeah - I've actually been using it to load textures, create some texture masks (using anti-aliased draw operations, etc.), upload to GL and use them. Been working on NxNxN 'Rubik's' cube, that can work with textures (face images) rather than just flat colors, while maintaining correct orientation of facets. Quite a complex task, with lots of attention to axis / vertex conventions.
@BrettHale Have you tried Rubik's hypercube yet? :)
@FredOverflow I figured with its popularity, I should give it a chance. Besides, there was this really hot asian chick that...well, you get the idea.
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@FredOverflow xD
17:29
@JerryCoffin Some girl once explained to me "There is this common pattern when in the real world, A has a crush on B, but B is together with C, then in the game, A often murders C and rapes B afterwards." That's all I needed to hear about role playing.
@FredOverflow - find it ugly and unintuitive. I kind of like the idea, but I don't think it's visually compelling. I don't know if higher dimensional projections can ever really make for anything but a novelty factor.
@Zoidberg Is it possible? I'm having a hard time thinking in four spatial dimensions.
@BrettHale How about Rubik's point then? :)
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@FredOverflow yes.
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AWEOMSE
17:32
@Zoidberg Is Rubik's hyperube conceivable in the real world? Would you play it with 3 (9? 27?) regular cubes?
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You need at least four spatial dimensions.
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You can project it on 3D space like you can project 3D space on 2D space, but you'll lose information.
@FredOverflow - If the Nazis were simple points in space, I imagine WW2 would have ended very quickly. Alan Turing would have simply imprisoned Hitler in a line segment, and given it to Winston to hang on his wall. Wait. What's happening to me? I've crossed the event horizon into nerd-dom with this one!
@Mysticial i mean, the errors made the value a bit too small, and it didn't flip the sign
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@BartekBanachewicz so far I have built engine but get undefined reference to vtable for CResource'` but anyway must dash
talk later :)
@BrettHale Software renderer? Nice.
After application of random Cubix::Move sequence:
With textures it seems a lot harder than with colors :)
@FredOverflow - no way! This is all Core GL 3.2. And yes, once you introduce pictures, as opposed to 'symmetric' color stickers, the logic becomes much more complex.
@BrettHale You mean the solving logic for the player, not the programming logic, right?
@Zoidberg TIL lolphp exists :)
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17:48
lol
The data structure representing the facets must take the 'twist' (what I call it) into account when layers are rotated - unlike symmetric color textures. Also, once you leave 3x3x3 behind, you need a layer addressing logic: (AXIS, INDEX) (a clockwise rotation). It's just starting to look really good.
Now the basics are done, I'd like some specular highlights on the edges of facets. They are actually simple rounded rectangles composited over actual image texture data. Combined with some very simple ambient and specular (cubelet edge) highlights - I think this can start looking quite nice, especially when animating a layer rotation.
oh good, netbeans finished loading itself, and now all my chrome tabs can finally load. O.o
@BartekBanachewicz How's it going
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Badly.
It's funny how in my pinned post the word "talks" can be read either as a verb or a noun and both would be correct.
17:56
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Q: Good Tool for Programming Achievements System

NSAAll, I was looking for a way to challenge my team and have fun while doing it and someone suggested an achievements system, I know that Visual Studio has this, but is there a non-IDE specific tool out there for this, we do a lot of cross platform development so I would like something that is not...

English grammar so ambiguous
what do you guys think of this? a "fun work thing" or just a distraction from being productive?
@refp not productive
@Cicada But in this case it's an ambiguity where both branches map to the same meaning.
More or less..
@StackedCrooked Not exactly.
17:57
I mean an achievement system where your productivity would increase, like "finished project 30% faster than dead line" would be great.. but that would just make people over-estimate how long a project will take to get that achievement
hmm, a while back boss read an article on how younger employees spend 60% of their time on facebook/twiiter/pintrest. Now I can't load facebook at work...
@JerryCoffin somewhat agreeing. Can't say I love everything Beethoven wrote.
an anti-achievement system would be cool.. "over-estimated time to finish project" etc
oh wait, there it goes
@Cicada uh... I am rewriting my old GUI library to Prog. Pipeline. I thought that I could use it. I also could use a helping hand, if you still haven't found your goal for C++ learning.
17:58
@MooingDuck if facebook was blocked your task is to get access to it anyhow, that's the only reason why sysadmins block things.. to filter out the weak
survival of the fittest, etc etc.
@BartekBanachewicz I read that to Prolog Pipeline and almost screamed and I am willing to help for sure!
@Cicada hah, kewl.
@refp It'd quickly become meaningless, because everybody would be on it.
I was actually gonna ask you if I could take a look
@Cicada well, the code is on GH
18:00
> CUDA kernel and 2D arrays - how does it work?
If I reply "it doesn't", I'm gonna get bashed by the CUDA guys again. sigh
Though Ell spend a whole day trying to even compile it -.-
@JerryCoffin let's make it a "three strikes and you're out" sort of thing then. all employees living in great fear of losing their job
@BartekBanachewicz nvm found it
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@BartekBanachewicz But I am a noob mind. Also I'm back for a bit :3
@Cicada You need some parts of the Engine, too. Which in practice means that uh, you need the whole engine.
Ell
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18:01
At the minute all that is wrong is undefined reference to vtable for CResource
@BartekBanachewicz I haven't even counted them. I suppose I have at least three. (Pretty sure one is Helmut Rilling). I have many things in several recordings. 3x all sympphonies by Shostakovitsh, 2x all Mozart piano concertos (not counting the complete works which obviously contains them). 2 recordings of the complete Ring by Wagner (and 1 on DVD, actually).
All string quartets by shostakovitsj, also in several recordings. Finally found the Borodin-quartet version so I bought it, obviously :) You get the picture.
@sehe oh you.
@BartekBanachewicz And it's not on the repo?
I thought I had a shoot for "kingsize magazine" tomorrow (which is a magazine for hiphop/rap/street art..), turns out it's for "king magazine" (which is a "fashion magazine for men")..
boring shit.
18:02
@Cicada it's on the second repo, just get the right branch, sec
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@BartekBanachewicz that happens when a function isn't implemented doesn't it?
@BartekBanachewicz okay I will, don't worry
@Ell uhm, maybe. I'd need to take a look at it
I am actually doing this on Thursday: almaparkzoo.com.au/animal-experiences/marmosets
@BrettHale it's actually no longer /just/ a logic problem, but a complicated puzzle as well. I'd say this is practically infeasible for non-savants unless help of a computer is enlisted (e.g. to categorize pieces)
18:03
I reckon that if you guys want to help in any way, fixing build would be the best place to start.
Cloned
I am terribly ashamed of the current state of affairs
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The only other thing I can think of is wrong library order
Will try bildin
@Cicada what compiler do you have?
18:04
yes
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@Cicada I've written a cmake, let's see who can get something sane first >:D
@BrettHale it's better than an unexpected segfault
Okey, I'll drop the gui for a while and will try to fix the build
@Ell a Makefile for cmake, or a cmake clone?
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@refp I mean, I've written a cmakelists.txt for bartek's project
18:06
@BrettHale your cube looks cool
but.. but.. why?
@FredOverflow awesome
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@refp why not? :P
@Ell I don't know really, it's easier just to ask "why?".. not much thinking goes into that question
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also undefined reference to typeinfo for CResource'` Hmm. I need to do some googling
18:07
@sehe - oh, no doubt about it. It's all perfectly rational / solvable / etc. But it is first, and foremost, intended as eye candy. I know there's some pretty hairy group theory for this sort of thing, but I'm cheating. I have a sequence (deque) of moves, and invert them to solve. I think I'll just yield the API to smarter mathematicians.
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Haha it builds!
MiniCraft: /usr/local/include/boost/optional/optional.hpp:631: boost::optional<T>::reference_type boost::optional<T>::get() [with T = std::vector<unsigned char>; boost::optional<T>::reference_type = std::vector<unsigned char>&]: Assertion `this->is_initialized()' failed.
Aborted
Oooh off to a party, bye bye :D
lol
"it builds" - "lol nope"
It builds, but asserts.
uh
So do you want to use MinGW or VS2k12?
Because the latter would require code changes
I didn't think that someone will want to cooperate with me, so I took selfish way and compiled it with ICC
18:15
@BartekBanachewicz - thanks. I'd really like to focus on lighting. What I'd really like is to use local photo directories for a screensaver. Or pulsing, twisting layer rotations based on the spectral (FFT) feedback from something like iTunes.
@BrettHale that's different that my project, but totally interesting
Xeo
Xeo
Yay, home.
@BartekBanachewicz - until tomorrow, when the cold light of day brings me back to more practical concerns, and a thousand reasons why I will never get around to doing this.
I think I should remove all the unused crap, I can always put it back later
missing lua.hpp and fbxsdk.h
18:18
@Cicada it shouldn't ask for fbxsdk anymore, if you didn't define ENGINE_USE_FBX
fucking weird
i'm trying to build as-is
what file gives you that missing fbxsdk?
modelfbx, modeldata, getposition, fxbvbomesh, and many others
What is it with Russia and kick-ass meteors?
@Cicada is the line 3 of modelfbx equal to #ifdef ENGINE_USE_FBX?
18:21
No #ifdef, raw #include
then you are on master branch
-.-
oh
that's right
20 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Cicada it's on the second repo, just get the right branch, sec
20 mins ago, by Cicada
@BartekBanachewicz okay I will, don't worry
hmm, clang is freaking out over my code
Xeo
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Normally that means something is wrong on your code, depending on the version of Clang of course.
18:24
@Xeo, do you maybe know how stable is Visual-Gcc of someone from here?
@BartekBanachewicz i lied
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz No idea.
@Xeo normally yes, but GCC and MSVC both compile the same code with no warnings, but clang can't find the member variables.
Xeo
Xeo
Show me
18:25
@Xeo still working on a sscce
Xeo
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@BartekBanachewicz I can't download shit from my home connection.
Also, I forgot my USB stick at work. Damn.
you need more internet
Xeo
Xeo
Shaddup, I'll get it next week.
finally
until then, have this 5MB picture of a kitten:
.... trololo
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@BartekBanachewicz meh.
Xeo
Xeo
18:27
Haaah... it feels good to drink something again after forgetting to bring something to work. :(
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I prefer using.
@Xeo we have free sodas in the office
wow something is terribly wrong with my git
i clone your repo and try to switch branches
and it says i have modifications
eh
18:28
Ell had exactly the same problem, IIRC
i'll just fetch it
so many pun options. must. resist
@Cicada ohnoes line endings
@Cicada Or you're terribly bad at git
@CatPlusPlus just clone it and try for yourself
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18:31
s/ at git//
line endings
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tabs
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18:34
ahahaha 124 errors
fuck dependencies weigh 28MB right now
e:\code\.dump>git clone git://github.com/bananu7/Engine.git
Cloning into 'Engine'...
remote: Counting objects: 1274, done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (944/944), done.
Receiving objects: 100% (1274/1274), 32.30 MiB | 1.64 MiB/s, done.bjects: 100% (1274/1274), 32.15 MiB | 1.58 MiB/s

Resolving deltas: 100% (494/494), done.
Rename from 'e:/code/.dump/Engine/.git/HEAD.lock' to 'e:/code/.dump/Engine/.git/HEAD' failed. Should I try again? (y/n) y

e:\code\.dump>cd Engine

e:\code\.dump\Engine>git checkout develop-2.0
@Cicada in Engine?
by god the pthread api is nuts
18:37
$ git clone https://github.com/bananu7/Engine.git
Cloning into 'Engine'...
remote: Counting objects: 1274, done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (944/944), done.
remote: Total 1274 (delta 494), reused 1055 (delta 310)
Receiving objects: 100% (1274/1274), 32.30 MiB | 5.77 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (494/494), done.

$ cd Engine/

$ git checkout develop-2.0
error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by checkou
t:
Engine/src/ModelCookerVBO.cpp
Please, commit your changes or stash them before you can switch branches.
@BartekBanachewicz Yes. When using MSVC
git config core.autocrlf?
@Cicada I got 123 errors. Seems OK.
@Collin true
@CatPlusPlus Try cloning with https:// maybe
@Cicada Actually, only two lines are in need to be changed. I'm pushing fixed version now.
18:40
Doesn't matter I cloned the right branch instead of the repo
I think "re-normalizing" breaks git blame though :(
Must say, if Linux didn't convince me Torvalds was gifted, then git did.
@BrettHale git has serious flaws, imo
@Cicada okey, current revision should compile.
@Cat Nevermind, must be windows related or some shit
@BartekBanachewicz - disagree. It may expose more functionality than some people need, but that doesn't matter. I was a sceptic at first - now I realize this is written by a guy who knows exactly what a large codebase needs.
18:46
Okey, Minicraft now also builds
Compiles, doesn't link. (fbxsdk).
@Cicada damn it it shouldn't need this shit at all
@Cicada Please remove the line from linker
Off axis - do you have headphones on, and if so, what are you listening to? What gets you in the zone for coding zen?
@BrettHale I am now listening to Voltaire, but, as you already know, I am a big fan of Beethoven. I also listen a lot of , and
Yes and I'm listening to this in a tight loop
Xeo
Xeo
18:54
@BartekBanachewicz IRTA
@Cicada - may death find you swiftly for making me click on that link.
Blame it on the Cat.
@Xeo that's a nice tag
Xeo
Xeo
@BrettHale No headphones, since I'm at home, and I like listening to Touhou remixes. :)
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I'm back.
18:56
takes cover
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You know.
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I was thinking about a container_traits class.
Xeo
Xeo
We know.
Damn, slow interwebs ruined it.
@Zoidberg Exists already, though not officially.
@BartekBanachewicz "instrumental" is quite vague.
@Cicada did it build? :>
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18:57
@Xeo boost?
@EtiennedeMartel And I want it to be that way. It covers my rather wide musical preferences
Xeo
Xeo
@Zoidberg STL (as in, the person) wrote it in one part of Advanced STL, and @KerrekSB did too for his container pretty-printer.
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Coool.
@Xeo - hmm. You realize you're a grown man right
Xeo
Xeo
You basically check for begin and end and specialize for C arrays.
Or you use non-member begin/end overloads and use ADL with fallback on the std versions.
@BrettHale So?
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18:59
What about things like value_type.
Xeo
Xeo
@Zoidberg That's another possible check, though I think I prefer the "iterator accessors" one, since that's what you're interested in.

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