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20:00
He made himself rethrow a null pointer exception... indefinitely.
@rubenvb I don't either, but it looks like... it's a function that takes something, subtracts 40 from something, adds 31 to something, calls another function, passing the first three parameters of a struct, 4 bytes each, returning a pointer, puts the 40 back, and returns. And the returned pointer is a null I think.
@MooingDuck lol, your assembly is better than mine. What CPU are you using?
@Xeo Ogonek doc pages.
@MooingDuck Oh wait, I see it.
You're using gcc-dw2-4.7.2
You can't
You need to use gcc-4.6.3-dw2
@rubenvb Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @3.4GHz
@rubenvb what? No GCC 4.7 for me? Why?
20:04
I compiled it against that version. I still need to try to fix libstdc++ and clang interop for higher versions
Linking Clang generated code to GCC 4.7 libstdc++ crashes terribly.
I'll just roll back to my backup then, which is those versions :(
Sorry, but messing with my rPi has really cut into other time :)
well, my brother's rPi with my SD card.
Mine's still underway.
@rubenvb oh right, I was updating because clang was having 5 compiler errors in C:/MinGW/bin\..\lib\clang\3.1/../../../include/c++/4.5.4\nested_exception.h again: ideone.com/6RMiBG
@MooingDuck it shouldn't see 4.5 headers.
And don't put stuff in C:\MinGW.
@rubenvb why not?
20:07
It looks there for some reason (I didn't remove those crappy header search dirs I think, I should)
Note to self: opening a tag is not the same thing as closing it.
@rubenvb ...
Clang has a bunch of hardcoded header search dirs. They include C:\MinGW.... I should just remove them. I'll update Clang this week sometime to fix it.
Is this flamingdangerzone.com/ogonek hard to read/fugly/incomprehensible/hard to navigate/whatver?
unless my Pi arrives.
@R.MartinhoFernandes it looks pretty slick.
20:09
@R.MartinhoFernandes Holy fucknuggets, you're wasting like, over half my screen width.
you have a giant column of really thin text.
The download links don't appear on my Android 4.0 Browser though.
@DeadMG Really?
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's one of the uglies github pages, but it works.
If I switch to a small window, it all fits neatly.
yeah, but I don't have a small window.
I have a 1080p window.
and your text occupies about 300px of my 1920 width.
20:11
> Why do students love functional programming? Because there are no assignments!
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@R.MartinhoFernandes make more squares! Metro interface! And coloured squares!
user142019
@FredOverflow writeIORef :|
Yeah, fixed layouts are so 1999.
Dammit, I'll have to look at the CSS :/
20:13
PHP! Make a PHP site!
lol
user142019
Eww PHP.
now that's some punishment.
user142019
Almost as bad as Java.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was about to suggest you to add a "Fork me on Github" ribbon, then I realized you're on BB.
@EtiennedeMartel It's not a fixed layout though. If you narrow the browser window, you get:
@EtiennedeMartel Am not.
Yeah, that's how I was reading it.
@JerryCoffin That actually looks much butter.
@EtiennedeMartel I always said a lot of web layout changes were just churn, but this is the first time anybody seemed to agree with me so emphatically (c.f. butter vs. better).
It's called responsive design
(It's still a fixed layout)
@JerryCoffin That looks fine.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Appears broken on my Opera.
I just wish that I had that :P
20:18
@LucDanton You have an opera?
@LucDanton You have to wait until they finish plugging WebKit in
:v
Oh alright then nevermind me.
@LucDanton Tis broken now. Known bug.
@EtiennedeMartel Life around here is a soap opera.
user142019
Dear .NET,

Fuck you.

Yours sincerely,
daknok
20:19
@JerryCoffin An opera made of soap.
@Zoidberg Reminds me of these noobs who suck at SC2 but blame their suckiness on "balance" or something.
user142019
.NET is my slave yet it doesn't execute my orders.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also, that needs a menu on every page. Otherwise I have to keep hammering the Back button.
Ugh, I suck at this.
Web design is hard, honestly.
I broke it and I can't get it back... Time to kill some commits.
20:23
who's Daknok?
user142019
The one and only.
user142019
Also lowercase D.
@MooingDuck So you would be offended by a photo that does not portray any nudity, if a naked person was taking the photo?
riiight
20:24
(where "offended" for the purposes of this discussion includes "would deem inappropriate in SFW environments" but I just cba to type that out :D)
a little name lookup, and I will be ready to introduce other functions into my Wide prototype.
user142019
I really don't understand why my code doesn't work.
@Zoidberg Maybe dumping some code somewhere and then linking it here could help.
said everybody, ever.
so happy to invert that crappy "said nobody, ever" meme.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That would depend on the subject matter. I generally find it offensive for hot women to cover up their hotness by wearing clothes (though in at least some cases a bikini can be forgivable).
20:27
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was merely defining nudity. I would prefer if chat pictures were relatively safe for spouses to glance at.
oh sad, I'm no longer on the "frequently in room" list
@JerryCoffin with you there
You need to chat more
@MooingDuck fair enough
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Hmmm
@MooingDuck my spouse really doesn't mind pictures of women that show no "profane" parts but I suppose there are varying levels of relationship comfort
;)
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Xeo
20:29
I seem to have lost sight of what I actually want to do with my dependency lister.
@MooingDuck Your.. spouse cares if you look at nudity..?
Children see behind the human exterior. Children can see my metal plates, fans and stray wires, and they stare.
Robot, is that you?
He's plastic not metal
@LightnessRacesinOrbit realistically, she probably would have just asked if that was a normal thing, and I'd say no, and she'd lose interest
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but others might not be so lucky
20:31
I am sorry for those people
realistically, I feel uncomfortable about that she might possibly have thought. It's entirely in my head :(
@MooingDuck Seriously
What
I am too.
You probably don't want to be surfing the web at all anywhere near your spouse if someone else posting a non-profane picture of a human female in a public chatroom can lead to relationship problems
I don't even know what I'm saying anymore
20:32
How dare you look at a woman online.
@MooingDuck It's okay.. we love you :(
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I found a typo.
using utf8_deque = ogonek::text<ogonek::utf8, std::deque<ogonek::utf8::code_unit>;
There's a missing > .
Improve your quality of life by misreading "APP" as "APE". 500 BEST APES. THE NEW KILLER APE. "MUST-HAVE" APES FOR YOUR SMARTPHONE.
whoah
robot, I don't know what you've done, but you've killed it.
@DeadMG I know.
20:35
what has he killed
oakalydoakaly
I don't understand CSS.
@Griwes Woa, @sbi everywhere!
I just thought my responsibility as your harshest critic meant that I needed to point this out immediately.
I just want this crap to use all the remaining space.
But it keeps deciding to go on top of the rest.
20:36
1. Use Bootstrap
-1 not enough jQuery.
<header> has position: fixed it shouldn't have and possibly unneeded float: left
And <footer> too
user142019
Don't use HTML problem solved.
So, a colleague of mine uses "game engineer" to describe her job.
Fuck it, I don't care. Fixed it. Now to real problems.
20:39
First time I see that.
q_q
Platformer physics in 3D
The horror. The abject horror. ;~;
@R.MartinhoFernandes I told you how to fix that :f
You did?
@CatPlusPlus Not enough love.
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@ThePhD Not you, robot
20:39
@ThePhD Speaking of 3D platformers, keep in mind it's really hard to get right.
Oh.
@CatPlusPlus I missed that part. You told me to take stuff out that I had taken out before and messed up anyway.
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, it is. But here I am, trying to do it.
By memory, only Miyamoto and Ancel ever got it right.
@EtiennedeMartel The first Prince of Persia?
20:40
Speaking of 3D platformers don't do 3D platformers
... The first 3D one, anyhow.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Take floats out of <header>, <section> and <footer>, all position: fixed
And margin-left from <section>
@ThePhD You mean the first Ubi Montreal one?
@EtiennedeMartel I think so.
Ah, yes. So, Mechner too.
20:42
And bottom: 50px from <footer> because it's not needed without position: fixed anyway
Anyway, the hardest part is the camera.
@EtiennedeMartel I dunno, the camera seems like cake to me.
> It's because in third-person games the camera is like the working class: if you can't control it, it will plot to destroy you.
Alternatively, just float: right from <section> to keep the fixed column
Raycast between character and camera. If something's inbetween, transparent-ize it.
20:43
The main reason I miss a jump in a 3D platformer is because the camera fucked itsel up.
But now it floats too much out when it's small width
Fuck 3D platforming
And bad console-port cameras
@CatPlusPlus Rayman 2 was greeeaaaaat.
@Zoidberg No; your name is Zoidberg...
Legacy of Kain: Defiance
Camera, controls, everything :argh:
As I said, platforming is hard to do in 3D.
So many people fuck it up.
3D platforming is a mess of wasted potential.
user142019
20:45
Ohh I had to tell the module to export its symbols.
user142019
Yay code generator works so far. \o/
Xeo
Xeo
Question: Can you get make to pull the dependencies for a target from a file?
I hope I can do 3-D platforming right.
Except it's not an emphasis on platforming and jumping, thank god.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Have you done it before?
20:48
I think you'll be on mostly solid ground...
If not, you'll fuck it up :v
If anything, I'll just script the jumps. NBD.
user142019
IL is great.
@CatPlusPlus Well, the good thing is I'm not a company so I don't have to show anyone my fuck-ups. :D
If I said that C++ lambda expressions aren't really lambdas in the truest sense of the word, what would be your response?
20:49
Fucked it up? NBD, junk it.
@ThePhD Zelda style?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Get away from me, you Language Laqyer.
Or FFXIII style?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In what sense?
Never played FFXIII
20:49
@ThePhD you are laqking in language laqyer desirez
And Zelda's jumps were a bit more free-form, you could miss.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What if I say C++ functions aren't really functions
@ThePhD Well, let's say it can be called "Final Corridor 13".
@DeadMG I don't know yet. I heard it once and can't remember where, and now I'm trying to piece it together from responses by bringing this "test case" to court
Sometimes there are these blue pads that you step on and it auto jumps to the next corridor.
20:50
@EtiennedeMartel That sounds incredibly boring.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Probably some bullshit about garbage collection.
@DeadMG C++ doesn't have garbage collection so, no.
@DeadMG (Yes, it does)
@ThePhD It is.
that was my point
20:51
some people will claim that the Only True Way is garbage-collected
But the formal lambda calculus doesn't have garbage collection, either, so.. what.
Closures are hard without GC
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'd ask what the "truest sense of the word" is for you. :P
In C++ you have to copy things and not really just close over them
last I checked, it does have garbage collection implicitly, on the part of not specifying any other cleanup routines.
20:52
@CatPlusPlus don't they just make lots of things UB? problem solved?
UB is not problem solving, it's sweeping it under the rug
@DeadMG I'm not sure whether that really holds as an argument (genuine non-snarky response this time)
"Lalala I can't hear you it's UB"
unique_ptr and shared_ptr is GC :v
@CatPlusPlus I completely agree. C++ is very good at it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit To be more specific, since it doesn't have any means of doing anything else, the only possible implementation is garbage-collected.
20:53
I'm not sure we can say that a thing has garbage collection as long as it has nothing that is almost like garbage collection. So you can be a formal calculus and have GC, but if you add std::unique_ptr to formal calculus then you no longer qualify?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, I think that's fine.
@EtiennedeMartel Well, in either case, the focus in my game is going to be beating shit up. But, because other games that don't have jump buttons when you move around in a free world frustrate the crap out of me, I decided to learn how to do some platforming too, so I could make nice platforming levels and stuff.
@DeadMG By that logic C++98 is garbage-collected, through the automatic storage scoping rules. Right?
Also because I CAN SHOOT PEOPLE WITH A CROSSBOW BUT I CAN'T JUMP OVER A STINKIN' TINY FENCE?!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not really, since it has objects that don't exist, because they were freed or end-of-scoped.
20:54
REALLY?!
but the calculus in general doesn't have the concept of a thing that stops existing.
@ThePhD Just don't make camera "helpful" and automatic :cripes:
@ThePhD Don't make it tiny, then.
@DeadMG end-of-scoped by the garbage collection semantics
Art direction, man.
20:54
@DeadMG that's more like it :) I'd say that's not "having garbage collection" so much as "not having any garbage".
@EtiennedeMartel Srsly.
Put fucking 12 feet high rainbow glowing walls or something.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit But calculus doesn't have any of those semantics.
Lambda expressions aren't really lambdas simply because they can have side-effects
@DeadMG nor any garbage
20:55
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, I liked how in older games they explained why you couldn't go somewhere. Even if it was just a strange looking mural of an evil witch - at least I couldn't walk through it.
@CatPlusPlus ah there it is
I don't know why are you discussing GC at all
In modern games? INVISIBLE WALL :V
@CatPlusPlus thanks
Don't fall of this INVISIBLE CLIFF HERE.
20:55
@LightnessRacesinOrbit True, but that's more like an implicit implementation detail, I'd say.
(In the same way C++ functions aren't really functions)
the observable semantics are that everything lives forever.
@ThePhD I don't really like explaining. I like to leave stuff up to the player to figure out.
@DeadMG then I'd say that the calculus has no garbage collection.
@DeadMG lol
20:56
no, but any implementation of it will feature that, as it's a non-observable difference that makes implementing it a lot more realistic.
I mean, if your game gets liked enough, there will always be legions of fanboys ready to fan wank all night to cover your plot holes.
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@DeadMG sure, observing that everything lives forever does not prove that. but why would you have a GC when there's never any G to C?
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@sehe Can I bug you about makefiles again? :3
Hello, World!
GC can be seen a simulation of a machine with unlimited memory, so technically in GC environment everything does live forever
:v
20:57
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Because you can, as usual, get away with not actually having everything live forever, if you can prove that it doesn't change the observable semantics.
(Also why you can't rely on finalisers to ever run)
@EtiennedeMartel A scary, but world-proven truth. =[
@CatPlusPlus I hate that shit in .NET
You need to detach yourself from object lifetime and forget objects ever die
20:58
dangling objects all over the damn place hogging resources. then you have to write a ton of ugly boilerplate to actually shut the thing down. it's impossible to get decent RAII with managed
@Xeo I might be able to help. Although, it's been a while since I last played with makefiles...
@ThePhD I mean, look at those morons who are working overtime to explain how Metroid: Other M isn't a huge stinking pile of shit and that Samus Aran's new characterization totally makes sense.
RAII is as simple as bracket function
A.k.a. execute-around
Xeo
Xeo
11 mins ago, by Xeo
Question: Can you get make to pull the dependencies for a target from a file?
20:58
@Xeo I guess :0
@EtiennedeMartel q_q RIP, Samus.
@Xeo You man include?
Best/Badass Female Heroine turned into a flaming pile of slag.
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can you include in dependencies?
You can include anything.
20:59
@Xeo Yup. I usually use this (or variations of it):
@ThePhD More like a crying pile of angst.
depend: $(CPPFILES_ALL) $(CFILES_ALL)
ifneq ($(strip $(CPPFILES_ALL)),)
	$(GPP) $(CPPFLAGS) -M $(CPPFILES_ALL) > .depend
endif
ifneq ($(strip $(CFILES_ALL)),)
	$(GCC) $(CPPFLAGS) -M $(CFILES_ALL) >> .depend
endif


-include .depend
All because Nintendo took the rights away from Retro Studios and gave it to a company who could care less.
:777183 Can you give an example?

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