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15:00
Emojis everywhere
(insert buzz lightyear meme here)
Ven
Ven
@Griwes I guess that's fair, and I should drop the range-based for loop to iterate on begin()+1
@Lalaland Money is an abstract concept, there are a lot of unemployed people, there are a lot of spare capacity, there are a lot digits in the bank accounts. There are also a lot of people using money to make more money without actively contribute to the society. Splash ...
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess you know the answer to this then?
@Lalaland They were added to begin with because people were using them for communication.
Ven
Ven
There's also the money telkitty uses to buy drugs.
user406009
@chmod666telkitty Yeah, but the people with lots of money tend to have lots of money because they don't like to spend it.
15:02
@Lalaland yes, I do & my friends do ... to spice conversation up
@Ven Trop d'diamants sur ma montre je n'sais meme plus quelle heure il est
Emoji usage statistics are quite interesting, actually.
@chmod666telkitty Depraved jokes and innuendos are the best for that matter :)
> Canadians score highest in emoji categories some may consider to be more American (money, raunchy, violent, sports)
I don't know about anyone else, but I tend to only used emoji with people I am reasonably familiar with.
15:07
that's because all their tweets are like "Sorry, I was almost <insert emoji from a category some may consider to be more American>"
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol emojitracker.com/details/1F602
@Borgleader "Apparently". It's pretty obvious.
user406009
I don't really see the multiracial faces.
I didn't realise twitter was used so much until now
user406009
15:08
Didn't the Unicode committee spend a lot of effort adding that feature for diversity?
Canadians also score highest for the poop emoji.
@Etienne
@Lalaland You mean you don't see them in the tracker?
user406009
No, just in general.
I'd blame ease of use, I guess.
@chmod666telkitty So do I
15:10
@Lalaland Also, see as in "find them" or as in "get the point"?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Though the usefulness can be questioned in some cases =°
Ven
Ven
@Rerito Si t'as pas le permis bateau, garde la pêche
@Ven Have you tried his more recent pieces? Like... Dunno, Tony Sosa. Gosh it sounds so awful
@Lalaland WhatsApp, for example, has an easy interface for inputting them. The first type you use a "skinnable" emoji a menu with all the colors (including no-color) pops up and then it's set to that one until you long-press to change it. As a consequence WhatsApp users use skin-coloured emojis relatively often.
Ven
Ven
@Rerito no. I stopped listening to him like 6 years ago
"Après l'heure c'est plus l'heure, avant l'heure on t'a d'ja baisé"
15:15
@Lalaland actually, most people with lots of money have lots of money because they were born with it.
@chmod666telkitty yes there is a limit on how glass can operate relatively to wavelength size (similar to chips issues) so they have to rely on other techniques to improve precision
@Borgleader @jaggedSpire :3
@Mr.kbok Plus even if it were possible, there is still the aiming accuracy problem that ensues afterwards
@Ven Yeah he has so many classy lyrics :p
user406009
@ElimGarak Lol Falllout fail: youtube.com/watch?v=r4EHjFkVw-s
@Lalaland The core of that engine hasn't changed since Morrowind. :D
So, not sure whether impressive or hilarious. :D
user406009
I'm just going to blame the focus on consoles.
user406009
15:29
It's always the fault of the consoles.
@Lalaland it's almost as if it was done by gamedevs
Xeo
Xeo
@Lalaland hahahaha
@Xeo Your AV still sucks btw.
@Lalaland Just realized your avatar is the default winXP wallpaper. Ah the memories
user406009
@Rerito It's similar, but not it.
user406009
15:35
I need to get a new avatar.
user406009
Something which represents me.
My avatar pretty much has nothing to do with me.
@EtiennedeMartel Tesla makes an ad in our city and you get stuck on the fact that i said "apparently" -.-;
user406009
It sorta represents the sad lonliness of the human condition. I have my internal image of myself, embellished with all these unique characteristics which make me, well me.
user406009
However, we have such limited tools to express ourselves.
15:36
@TonyTheLion I love owls <3
@Borgleader The driver uses mph like a caveman.
user406009
We can have individual, tiny avatars, but what do they really tell you?
user406009
We can speak and talk, but words are always imperfect.
@Lalaland like you
@Borgleader :)
user406009
15:38
Even though we think we have all these wonderful communication tools, we might as well be living on different planets.
user406009
With only a simple signal light between us.
you talk as if that would be a bad thing
@caps My avatar is literally me
Ven
Ven
@Rerito tons and tons.
That's how I look IRL
user406009
15:40
TLDR: Choosing an avatar is hard.
with that I agree
@набиячлэвэлиь lol
making it look just right is also hard esp when you get to cropping and centering
fixating on your avatar is just straight up vanity
user406009
@AlexM. ... I swear it almost seems like people in here never consider any philosophy at all.
15:43
also have any of you used enaml before
user406009
What ever happened to self reflection?
@Lalaland not now liloland
not now
user1804599
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Q: Police algorithm GTA

k1308517I have been a fan since GTA3 and Vice City. I have always wondered how the algorithm works. Sometimes just firing a weapon in game (without it touching anyone and being in middle of a forest with no people) can get you a star etc... My guess is if you do something considered a crime and there...

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@Elyse thanks, I shared my wisdom
user406009
15:47
@Dean The multi-way crashes in GTA are hilarious.
> Enaml describes a UI as a tree of elements. Like Python, the Enaml syntax is sensitive to indentation, but where indentation in Python defines scope and control flow, in Enaml it defines tree structure. Each successive level of indentation in Enaml defines a parent-child relationship.
hmmmmm
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh right, TIL thanks :D
user406009
Darn, no one spotted the obvious joke: "Of course we don't think about reflection much in here. This is C++ and we all don't have reflection. Go to the Java room for that".
@Lalaland You're talking about telkitty's concern on optical zooming right?
7 mins ago, by Lalaland
What ever happened to self reflection?
15:51
@Lalaland There's potential for a good joke with that
I just can't piece one together
"Why do c++ devs something something something?" "Because something something reflection!"
user406009
> Why are C++ developers so ugly?
user406009
> Because they aren't able to look at themselves due to a lack of reflection.
@Lalaland I honestly don't look in mirror all that often, more or less only when I shave.
so like, once a week :\
Why do C++ devs relate to vampires?
user1804599
@Lalaland LOL!
15:56
> Because C++ fucking sucks
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ayyyyyy
The starboard needs more @Andy... do something funny guy
user406009
@thecoshman We just need to ship a lot of alcohol to his place.
@thecoshman don't worry, he'll...
... dump
a joke soon
AY
no
just, no
@Lalaland shipment<whiskey>().rdbuf(lounge.rdbuf());
Ell
Ell
16:02
oh gcc 6 will have concept support, nice
Back.
@Ell And transactional memory support too.
Ell
Ell
nice
nooiice
user406009
Transactional memory without monads?
@Lalaland I know almost nothing about how it's implementd. It didn't excite me enough. Perhaps in a few years.
oh very good job, this test just refuses to load the data for the tests, for no clear reason. very helpful :\
user1804599
16:05
@Lalaland You don't need monads for STM.
user1804599
It's more like "STM with arbitrary side-effects?"
Ell
Ell
about to emerge ncurses
wish me luck :V
@Lalaland I never even knew transactional memory had a connection to monads
user1804599
The only STM support in GCC 6 seems to be two extra flags you can pass to atomic operations.
@thecoshman I've got an idea for a new parody but needs digesting and processing so nothing short-term
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@AndyProwl you suck, I can't star that
well, I can...
16:08
lol don't
unstar that :D
That wasn't me
anonymous starrer
@melak47 NZ time (VPN)
@AndyProwl lol
16:09
@AndyProwl is that spelled correctly? It looks so wrong to me :\
@thecoshman I think so
@Lalaland oh, hence afterburner
oh hey, speaking of Fallout, how terrible are the launch bugs?
user1804599
@AndyProwl Can't unstar now
16:12
@Elyse What, isn't that what you were expecting?
@набиячлэвэлиь EXCUSES
where is Bartek btw?
did he rage quit again?
did I miss some drama
(again)
Ugh... What's this obnoxious profile preferences thing?
I gotta say, the trailer is awesome
Ven
Ven
Does anyone use google test here?
funny story, ASSERT_EQ(std::string("\n\n\n\n"), ""); segfaults. But if I put only 3 newlines there, it works (well, the test fails, but the code runs)
Billy Knight is the greatest joker of all time
@набиячлэвэлиь Yeeah he's not dead
hey @Bartek
user1804599
@Ven lol
16:17
was wondering if you left again, haven't seen you in a while
@AndyProwl Or isn't he?
user1804599
Ven
Ven
@Elyse yes, quite the lol
@набиячлэвэлиь he looks alive
@AndyProwl inb4 ghouls
user1804599
16:19
@Ven delete all your code.
Ven
Ven
@Elyse delete your life
@BartekBanachewicz show him who's the boss
Hi! Am I right, that we should to create a new thread for each connected client via Berkeley sockets?
user1804599
@QueueOverflow It depends.
@Elyse In a general case, when I should have multiple clients and the one server.
user1804599
16:21
How many clients?
@Ven Lol, that's something.
@Elyse About 10-20.
@AndyProwl based on what?
user1804599
Then one thread per connection is probably fine, yes.
Ven
Ven
@Morwenn I hadn't really planned to deal with bugs in Google's code -.-
16:22
@Ven Actually I meant to answer to Elyse .____.
user1804599
If you need to support hundreds, look at Boost.Coroutine and Boost.Asio.
@Elyse I am interested to know, what is the best approach for small count of clients like 2-5?
user1804599
Threads. It's the easiest.
Ven
Ven
@Morwenn aw :[
it's okay, I know nobody likes me here anyway
@thecoshman Ability to write answers on SO
16:23
@Ven It's not that we don't like, we only have to learn how to like you :3
@Elyse Thank you!
Ven
Ven
@Morwenn are you poetic because you just read your book? :P
@Ven I wrote poems when I was younger. Some of them (not most) are still fine by my current standards, which is quite impressive.
@BarmakShemirani let me be clearer. It's not possible the macro is "faster because it's not passing data". Period. — sehe 55 secs ago
@Morwenn You're a flat character :)
@Elyse And if you need (ten)thousands, stay away from (stackful) coroutines
@sehe I'm so flat I could live in myself.
Ven
Ven
16:31
@Morwenn lewd
@Ven I didn't mean it like that :(
Ven
Ven
@Morwenn w-well
git is frustrating.
all I want to do is merge 4 files to my fork
but, no, it can't do that.
@sehe I made small benchmark - I was able to run hundred thousands of stackful coroutines (Boost.Coroutine) on my laptop. But yes, stackless coroutines are much more lightweight - I run billions of them without problem.
Ell
Ell
@EvgenyPanasyuk how much stack memory were they each allocated?
16:39
@Ell In both cases it was something like 4-5GiB
Ell
Ell
sys-devel/clang-3.6.1-r100 required by (sys-devel/llvm-3.6.1:0/3.6::gentoo, installed)
^now this doesn't seem right
why would llvm require clang?
For stackful coroutines I used simple region allocator. For stackless - I just created vector of them - vector<stackless_coroutine> v;
can you mindlessly replace an auto_ptr with something in c++11 and give it identical behaviour
Ell
Ell
@EvgenyPanasyuk in total, right? :P
Yes, of course :)
@Ell Here is concrete test (2013 Boost.Coroutine) for stacklful coroutines - 400k coroutines, 10KiB of stack per each, total ~3.8GiB. And I think this is not limit - you could use smaller stack.
16:46
I just read an article about body implants. I'm still uncomfortable with that.
Ell
Ell
Nice
@Morwenn Like brain co-processor?
@EvgenyPanasyuk Under-the-skin implant with fancy lights.
Actually, what makes me uncomfortable is mostly the size of the implant. I guess that I would be ok with the things that don't change how you look.
user1804599
@sehe use Erlang or Go for the concurrent code.
@Morwenn just lights? seems useless
I want an brain implant that gives me x ray vision
16:54
@Mr.kbok You'll find enthusiasts in the tattoo and body modification communities.
or RFID implants, to, you know, pump up the surveillance a bit
gotta catch those damn terrorists
One of the guys sais he had a tiny magnet in his fingers thanks to which he could tell how « magnetic waves » were different in Europe and America.
@ElimGarak how far into the game did you make it before you exceeded your carry weight? :p
yeah some people do that lol
I understand how they feel about it a bit, but I guess that I would only be ok with harmless invisible stuff.
16:58
@Ell Here is demo of stackless coroutines. Each has sizeof=4, i.e. you can create billion of them per 4GB.
Ell
Ell
yeah boost coroutines are really neat
I don't understand how creating something like that isn't inherently UB though :P
I guess it's implementation defined
I think Boost.Asio's stackless coroutines are OK in terms of standard, not UB. It just helps to generate switch with case labels for each interruption point.
Ell
Ell
yeah stackless I understand
but stackful must be UB right?
Yes, stackful coroutines (Boost.Coroutine) do depend on concrete platforms. It has implementation specific bits for each platform.
It uses Boost.Context internally.
17:19
I'm leaving again. See you another day ^_^
@Morwenn cya
@Borgleader I can't read Russian.
user1804599
@Ell no need for UB
user1804599
it can just call code written in a programming language in which the things that are needed to do are not UB, such as many assembly languages.
Ell
Ell
Fair enough
17:28
@melak47 Oh, man, that sucks. Also, I can barely afford bullets ahahah
@ElimGarak Don't buy bullets
Drop rates are really low. Also, had to fight the Mirelurk Queen with two mini nukes I stole from suicidal super mutants. Everything else was 0.
Buying ammo is a sin
@ElimGarak lol
@ElimGarak Use Annabelle
@Morwenn ...
I wonder if using this in an Android application is a patent violation: developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/…
Ell
Ell
17:37
@Prismatic why would it be?
Apple has a patent on scrolling over a spatial limit
(and having the thing being scrolled bounce back)
Apple patents apples.
@ElimGarak whoa, spoilers! I'm taking it slow :p
user1804599
Very nice.
17:43
.ecin yreV
@Prismatic yeah it seems the Android user experience is constantly crippled by apple's various patents
everything feels like a workaround
@Prismatic Apple has the silliest patents, I cant believe they ever got issued.
US patent system is borked
Not only did that particular patent get issued, it was upheld after a challenge
yeah, unfortunately apple always wins in court
I don't think its globally valid though, only in the US
17:48
especially against foreign companies like samsung
They still havent settled on damages... all over patents for making something that looks like a slab with rounded edges and some bounce back animation. Its been like half a decade and cost US taxpayers who knows how much
like, I have no problem with protecting an idea but these features are so general
it hurts innovation IMO
You shouldn't ever be able to protect an idea
patents are for protecting methods
you should be able to protect a unique invention/innovation
but something like inertial scrolling and rounded corners are not unique
Only if you explicitly declare the method in which your invention works
Ell
Ell
17:51
I'm not sure of the validity of patents at all
user1804599
I'm not sure.
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Q: Add GitHub as a registration/login option

nickI'd like to link GitHub to my StackOverflow account as another login option. Right now these are the only options: There have been a couple related posts on Meta, such as Login with Github? (posted in 2014) and Authenticate to Stack Exchange using GitHub (from 2012). The reason given was "GitH...

give me precious upboats
this needs to happen
Ell
Ell
wait, google is not an OpenID provider?
they use OAuth 2 auth
they dropped openid
OAuth is different
Ell
Ell
Yah I know
17:54
@Elyse thank you for the edits :P
Ell
Ell
obviously not well enough :P
It's been ages since I wrote something using OAuth 2
18:07
@Ell They are an OpenID Connect provider IIRC
@Jefffrey not good for my severe arachnophobia
user1804599
updateMoles dt s = (\ms -> s & moles .~ ms) <$> catMaybes <$> mapM (updateMole dt) (s ^. moles)
user1804599
<3
The first reviews of Fallout 4 are coming in now! https://t.co/WBLI5EkFXI
lol
18:29
teams broke
ok let's play Cat's game with a gamepad this time, I bet it'll be nice
@CatPlusPlus I swear I have no idea why but
your game is the only one that causes my download speed to drop to 0KB/s and top at like 1MB/s XD
even now
@nick I'm very disappointed I've not been invited in the lounge team
must be a server thing
Bad NIIIIIIIIICKKK
user1804599
18:35
this is silly
@jaggedSpire If I confirm this, will you spare my soul?
user1804599
f :: Num Int => ...
@Jefffrey I'll invite you if you get on mumble for a minute
actually scratch that, I can't even get the invite link cuz team pages won't load
fair enough
SO of course invited me on Careers while I've already been there for like a year
they keep inviting me and i've had a careers profile for at least a year
that new profile questionnaire is bs too
18:38
@nick :c
@CatPlusPlus works great minus the Up/Down arrows, they're inverted
can't play a lot more now
I like the fire extinguisher
it works again
and the game crashed on exit
get on mumble i cant share the link here
with the stopped responding thing
18:39
What link?
oh crap @набиячлэвэлиь is online he's gonna fuck everything up
Who's @набиячлэвэлиь
anyways, I gotta go. running late as usual. perhaps ask sehe or nooble or jag
18:42
I hereby ask @Nooble
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Q: Is it rude to recommend ELL?

WillI think that ELL is one of the most useful SE sites, given that many languages lack their own SO. When I come across a question written in pretty fluent English, but that is somewhat unclear, is it better to try to answer as best as I can or just leave a pointer to ELL and hope they edit the que...

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@MartinJames lol
@Ell I recommend asking @Ell
Rust is inevitable
heya
user1804599
18:49
> During the Second World War, Churchill said to Gerbrandy while the two were standing on a balcony: "Spring is in the air". Gerbrandy's response was: "Why should I?" Gerbrandy thought Churchill told him: "Spring 'ns in de lucht", which translates into English as "jump into the air".
@exitc0de hello sir
what is this rust you speak of and why is it inevitable
@fredoverflow lol @ the fish fillet
it's like someone literally slapped the cheese on it
18:51
have any of you designed your own gui before
i wanna talk to someone that has
What do you mean, own UI toolkit?
@CatPlusPlus one thing you might want to consider: some sort of kill notification
it's mostly impossible to tell when you kill someone off-screen
unless you go and see them dead
Theres some stuff about how gui layouts are created and I guess I want to talk about someone with general experience in the field. Like, did you know some toolkits use non-strict constraints for UI objects like "put this thing to the right of this other thing"
And then they use stuff like simplex constraint solvers to resolve positions
Its all so fancy
user1804599
@fredoverflow Why have && and || for Booleans when you can have * and +?
18:58
I think my design is very naive in comparison and I want to pick someone's brain wrt whether or not I'm barking up the wrong tree since Im running into things that I feel uneasy about
@Elyse I used * and + in Excel formulas because LUB(whatever, lulz) and ORAZ(a,b) is too annoying
user1804599
instance semiringBool :: Semiring Bool where
    add = (||)
    zero = False
    mul = (&&)
    one = True
user1804599
I think this obeys all laws of semirings.
Ell
Ell
Hmm decode vs parse vs deserialise. I'm not sure of the difference
user1804599
Certainly commutative monoid under addition and monoid under multiplication.

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