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22:00
@Borgleader markdownlel
@набиячлэвэлиь auto&& scrub
Also why the fuck does BearLibTerminal only set the first letter of windows' title ugh
I suck
@Borgleader It looks like that guy's ready to throw the dog as a Molotov cocktail :D
cosh might be a little durnk
@Nooble there are no spaces, why did that fail T_T
@набиячлэвэлиь of the title? or what
@Puppy but are you a three star programmer
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Anyways, I think it's unfortunate that society has come to rely too much on mostly worthless stuff like bachelor's degrees. People and companies always act in their own best interest, even to the detriment of society.
@Borgleader No http:// or www. prefix.
@Puppy [:)­]­(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/azVzO4x_460s.jpg)
code markup?
Ven
Ven
@Lalaland definitely. some stuff sucks inheritently. "having a boring job" as a developer is not one of them ;-)
Go to goddamn sandbox with that
(Hint it's the ))
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22:03
@CatPlusPlus If only you had the power to move things to other rooms ...
@Morwenn ¬_¬ I downgrade to 'ergh'
lol, a flag
@Nooble I like how she says
kicking in the front seat
but nobody does that
and
@Puppy lol, don't you just love snackchat
sitting in the back seat
and everyone is standing in the back seat
22:04
@thecoshman Trust me, I would have avoided passing the size parameter otherwise.
@Nooble holy shit that song really is utter trash. You can literally just click around the time line jumping to random sections of the song and it still just drones on and on as if nothing changed.
And wtf the log correctly outputs the window name
Rickrolling is one thing, at least that song had some decency at the time, this new 'song' is just plain wrong.
@thecoshman Hahaha yes. But it's our trash.
22:07
much nicer
and before you flag that, it counts as art, so fuck of and drown on shit.
For some reason I never liked Cannibal Corpse :/
@Morwenn I'm not a huge fan
@thecoshman too much bree bree bree
feels like high school
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@thecoshman Are you saying art cannot be offensive?
@Jeremy bree?
22:13
@thecoshman the pig squeal sound
Wait, it only shows the first character of the title no matter what
@Lalaland not at all, I'm saying you shouldn't hide from it :P part of the point of art is to be offensive and question what we consider 'normal'
@набиячлэвэлиь huh?
@Jeremy huh?
where?
when?
@thecoshman BearLibTerminal shows only the first character of window title
@JerryCoffin I'm not planning on implementing sort, just want to know how to do projections. But thanks :)
@набиячлэвэлиь well then, stop using shit
22:14
@набиячлэвэлиь You fucked something up
@набиячлэвэлиь repo pls
Or fork.
@CatPlusPlus Also happens with default window/title
@Nooble Skorezore/Gaem
MCVE.
@nick You're going to be the first NPC on Adventure.
@JerryCoffin Well, bubble sort was the only stable fallback sorting algorithm to sort a small collection (< 15 elements) with forward iterators.
For other kinds of iterators I fall back to insertion sort.
Where do you set the title
22:17
@Morwenn Shakesort
@набиячлэвэлиь Not with forward iterators.
@CatPlusPlus terminal_set("window.title='Gaem';");
Or even nowhere at all
It's "BearLibTerminal" by default
Only shows G or B, respectively
Never seen that happen; what OS?
Windows 10 x86_64
Thank god.
22:19
Are you sure that's not selective blindness
trace output prints the correct title
@CatPlusPlus As in?
@набиячлэвэлиь what the hell kind of stringly typed interface is that :S
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Hi!
@Nooble I better have superpowers
22:22
@nick Imperial Voice
@nick Yes, you'll have the same superpowers as in real life.
@Nooble So Imperial Voice?
@набиячлэвэлиь Invisibility; but only to girls.
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Vimperial Oice
@Nooble Imperial Voice allows you to calm an opponent once per day, fits because of @nick's voiiiice
@Elyse Vampiric Lice
22:24
@набиячлэвэлиь wuut
@Nooble It's a fucking TESVSkyrim perk for Imperials
Look it up
@Morwenn Fair enough.
@ElimGarak Good logic right there
well, it was not too long ago when I only had 47 dollars in my bank account
22:30
@Nooble you didn't :P
@TonyTheLion kick imminent
Brace! Brace! Brace!
@Morwenn After a moment's thought, however, I'm pretty sure you can do a selection sort with only forward iterators, which is still better than bubble sort.
I have to say, the pilot episode for the X-Files is very well done.
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@JerryCoffin Selection sort is not stable.
22:34
@JerryCoffin yes
@Morwenn Excuse you?
@JerryCoffin lol
brief agreement star
@JerryCoffin What? ^^'
22:34
@TonyTheLion then again, its on netflix :)
@TonyTheLion what about the movies?
@Borgleader it is?
@JerryCoffin nice, you did what I considered doing
I had to obtain it through means
@Borgleader I doubt it is on the UK netflix
@TonyTheLion And should have done
22:35
@Morwenn While it's possible to make a selection sort unstable, it's certainly not endemic to selection sort in general (and I'd say borders on a bug when it is).
@TonyTheLion it's not the IE one, but I think you can use a proxy happily enough.
@TonyTheLion lol melted rocks ;p
@thecoshman In canada it is
@Borgleader well there you go @tony, proxy away
@JerryCoffin The naive implementation is unstable. It is easy to make a selection sort stable when you can insert values, but when you only swap values, it's unstable.
22:36
TIL theyre releasing X-Files on bluray next month
is bluray like, double-melted rocks?
@JerryCoffin :(
@Puppy double melted rocks is what you live under
rekt
@Borgleader ohhhh
that might be worth waiting for
I don't wanna proxy
effort
22:39
Note: bad jokes are not flag-worthy, idiots
@TonyTheLion You mean ~~~effort~~~?
@CatPlusPlus Tell that to Puppy
@TonyTheLion Oh come on
It's not Rebecca, nor even Never Gonna Give You Up
@набиячлэвэлиь It was flagged, and most likely it was @Puppy being the flagger
Puppy you need to up your tolerance for bullshit
22:40
I only lower my standards if absolutely necessary, and this is not such a case.
It was a nice song by Mr. Rick Astley
@Puppy I didn't "lower your standards", I said "up your tolerance"
different perspective :)
this is the Nth week you're doing the rebecca black thing
it's the same thing
I mean I get minibartek because he's 9
but
22:41
@AlexM. It's not Rebecca!
> minibartek
always cracks me up
It's "Rick Astley - Whenever You Need Somebody"
Speaking of haskellized poles, where is our Bratek?
@набиячлэвэлиь is not even close to Bartek. (Except that he's also Polish)
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@ElimGarak Probably still trying to get his Haskell code to compile.
22:41
@ElimGarak dreaming about Haskell somewhere, I'm sure
@ElimGarak he fixed his bike
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Anyways, Bartek often does have good points.
so he's probably riding around his town and swimming in boobs
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@TonyTheLion I got christened minibartek after telling @Alex to go to bed
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did somebody say Haskell
user1804599
22:43
because Haskell is totally awesome
@Lalaland Like point three and point seven five?
@Morwenn Like I said, it's certainly possible, but it's also trivial to make it stable as well (e.g., using std::rotate to do the moving).
@Elyse No, sweetie, you can sleep
@набиячлэвэлиь oh I see. Interesting
@Elyse Nobody will hurt you anymore
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22:43
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@Lalaland Yeah... No...
ahahah :D
@TonyTheLion "We've upper our tolerance. Now up yours!"
@Elyse you do change your opinion more often than @GregorMcGregor changes his username.
@Lalaland he does
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No, I don't.
22:44
@JerryCoffin lol
his only problem is that his enthusiasm for things invalidates his good points most of the time
@Elyse Why is there a zero-width space after 80 ?s
@JerryCoffin Yeah, but my tests showed that bubble sort was faster than a stable insertion sort for some reasons, so I went with the bubble sort. I wouldn't have made that choice without tests :p
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@ElimGarak If you actually read his arguments, they are often correct ...
@AlexM. I'm sure his love for Haskell could easily be called an obsession
22:45
@AlexM. Like: "ANYONE WHO LIKES C++ IS FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD"
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Let me get an example from the transcript.
yes well he's very enthusiastic I guess
(a thing he actually said to me on Mumble)
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@набиячлэвэлиь But he does have a good point that C++ is not needed most of the time.
@Lalaland NOTHING IS NEEDED
22:45
@Lalaland His arguments are pretty much obvious to everyone, but then he fucks up with shitty solutions. Most people are aware of all that, there is just this thing called reality we deal with.
@набиячлэвэлиь inb4 "minime have you tried haskell"
@Lalaland yes but the way puts it creates friction with other users
EVERYTHING IS IRRELEVANT
Katt intensifies
@AlexM. It was in a middle of a Barketrant
@Lalaland Not... really.
crap I need 3 more hours to finish the anime
but it's already 1 AM
22:46
@AlexM. Watch it on 3 monitors at a time!
IME he has a grain of truth, but can't see it in perspective, and he often just completely refuses to debate and just treats you like shit for disagreeing with him.
@набиячлэвэлиь hmm
The intro to X-Files made me remember, I always wanted a plasma lamp. Never got one :( I love those things, the arcs are beautiful to look at.
@AlexM. Put every third frame on each monitor, offset by one frame
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@AlexM. 2X SPEED!
22:47
Bartek tends to state his opinions about languages as facts
which they are not
@TonyTheLion C++ SUCKS AT ALL TIMES
YOU"RE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD
and then can't handle that others don't agree with him
if I go to sleep at 5
22:48
I can get 4 hrs
@Borgleader awww <3
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In all seriousness, 2X speed is awesome and watchable.
I'll get one someday
@Lalaland 69x speed or bust
Ell
Ell
feck my naive quicksort implementation segfaults :V
22:49
oh Ell oh Ell
@Ell use ::qsort()
@Borgleader, why not today?
@Ell That's because you didn't use Haskell, duh.
they're not terribly expensive or hard to come by
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Eh, IMHO Bartek does a better job arguing for his opinions than Cat.
22:49
Why spend money later when you can spend it NOW?
@набиячлэвэлиь That's not even required to be a quicksort x)
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At least Bartek explains himself.
@Morwenn WHY USE HASKELL IF YOU CAN USE CLOJURE YOU SUCK
/Barket
@Lalaland I don't think Cat wants to argue
he just wants to tell you how terrible it is
@Lalaland Katt's at least funny
22:50
@TonyTheLion exactly!
Cat doesn't give a shit, I don't think he even wants to argue. Me neither, honestly. It fucking works for me, if it doesn't for someone else, I can't really say that I care too much.
why use java script when you can just use java?
@набиячлэвэлиь Because Clojure rationals are broken of course. /cc @Elyse
@Lalaland Cat on the other hand seems to have more hands on work experience
and ships projects
@OmnipotentEntity Beacuse I havent found one I like. Last time I looked, the ones I found were either made for ants or looked cheap.
22:50
so I'd take cat's advice wrt what works and what doesn't over bartek's
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Clojure is a mess.
user406009
Some parts of Clojure are a mess.
@Morwenn IF YOU SAY ANYTHING ILL A LANGUAGE I LIKE EVER YOU"RE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD
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Others are quite elegant.
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22:51
More reasons to not ever use Clojure: its code base mixes tabs and spaces.
Ell
Ell
well cat is somehow right about everything and it annoys the hell out of me :V
lounge language design discussions.rtf
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@AlexM. True, but he tends to be overly negative, which isn't necessary
@набиячлэвэлиь Me being fucked up in the head was the premise for my presence in this room though.
@набиячлэвэлиь bartek actually doesn't mind clojure
IIRC he said he'd like lisps were it not for the parens
22:51
@Elyse, I'm elbows deep in gcc source and there's mixed tabs and spaces in here.
then again, it's gcc.
it's GCC.
mixed tabs and spaces is by far the least of those problems
@Ell yes, the Cat is very knowledgeable technically.
It's Gee See See!
why are you even elbows deep in GCC source?
@Puppy this is my question too
22:52
@Puppy He put the source on FDDs
@Puppy, I'm implementing std::variant, because my professor asked me to.
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@TonyTheLion Perhaps he is a masochist?
@Morwenn Okay--keeping it stable does add some extra work (though its being worse than a bubble sort is a little unexpected, at least to me).
@TonyTheLion Floppies
22:53
@Lalaland Distinct possibility
I figured I'd send a patch once I was done so it wasn't wasted effort.
floppy dick drives
@JerryCoffin Well yeah, it's good when you know you're using a list, but then it doesn't help with iterators in general :/
probably'll get rejected for some stupid reason
@OmnipotentEntity I thought that you were a gamedev on Starbound?
22:53
I do enjoy your dry sense of humor @CatPlusPlus :)
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@OmnipotentEntity Have you followed the recent variant proposals?
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More reason: lack of types.
@TonyTheLion Nihilism best -ism
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There are a very distinct set of requirements for std::variant.
@JerryCoffin I checked my code again, I fall back when size < 10, which might be an explanation.
22:54
@Lalaland There's one, and only one
@Puppy, I was, I went on sabbatical to go back to school. I'm taking an intro to C++ course because requirements, and the professor noticed that I was bored.
@Lalaland yeah, that's why he suggested it.
I guess I will try the stable insertion sort again, just in case (but not today).
6.9.4.20: "std::variant shall not suck monkey cock."
> Intro to C++ course: implement std::variant.
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22:55
@набиячлэвэлиь It's actually the opposite.
Seems legit.
@Morwenn I'm not intro level. He was giving me things out of his graduate level courses before this.
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@Morwenn Now he just has to write Tetris in template-lang.
@Lalaland Whywhathuh
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Compile time Tetris.
22:56
For someone who yaps about improper use of C++, he's way too keen on instantiating Lounge<C++> and shoveling Haskell down its throat.
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@ElimGarak A lot of people in here have at least some interest in Haskell.
user406009
Haskell does do some things very right.
It beats making a complex number class instead.
@ElimGarak s/improper use of//
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It also does a lot of things very wrong.
22:56
@OmnipotentEntity Use std::complex
@Morwenn Perhaps--at that small a size, you certainly expect algorithmic differences to be minimal, to say the least.
Use std::complex to implement a complex class for a programming course? Seems legit.
sounds like the professor is a numpty.
@JerryCoffin Probably. Anyway, you convinced to try the stable selection sort approach at least one more time, maybe with sizes a bit bigger :)
@набиячлэвэлиь It doesn't even handle Gaussian integers :(
@Morwenn Whatever those are
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22:58
@OmnipotentEntity IIRC, didn't they decide on the possibly empty variant design without undefined behavior?
Ell
Ell
@Lalaland what does haskell do very wrong?
@Puppy, he is a bit, but he's nice and he's at least trying to challenge me. So I can't complain.
Ell
Ell
@Lalaland desafortunadamente
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@Ell Laziness is a bad idea IMHO.
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@TonyTheLion
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22:59
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Q: Odd ghc error message, "My brain just exploded"?

DanWhen I try to pattern-match a GADT in an proc syntax (with Netwire and Vinyl): sceneRoot = proc inputs -> do let (Identity camera :& Identity children) = inputs returnA -< (<*>) (map (rGet draw) children) . pure I get the (rather odd) compiler error, from ghc-7.6.3 ...

@Ell It eats people's brains
@OmnipotentEntity use MyComplexNumberClass = std::complex
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@Ell Also, immutability has large performance costs.
@Lalaland, yeah, they decided that if the assignment throws during move then it's caught and the variant state is left invalid, and if you try to access it then it throws.
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One last thing, Haskell has some pretty bad syntax.

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