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20:00
@sehe Then I'm glad we agree that I can turn on adblock all I like.
oh god
this conversation
@LucDanton IIRC the main point about ads is that they familiarize someone with the name of the brand/product, which has a significant psychological impact when seeing that product in a store.
in fact, I'm pretty sure that that's pretty much the same argument I've been making in all along?
@nick Which is why I use Bing™.
I'm not oblivious to what adblocking at large means, I'm okay with it
20:00
@Puppy Yup. We were never discussion you (boooooring). We were (half) discussion Ad Block
Yup, irrelevantly ^
Which is why we have been refuting said argument all along
@TonyTheLion TONYYYYYYYY
Btw., Adblock sucks, use UBlock Origin
@Nooble good man
@AlexM. Episode 3 gives new meaning to "angry bird".
@Columbo Fortunately for me, not shopping in a physical store dodges that effect for me.
20:02
Because in this episode there's a very angry bird.
@Puppy Do you cook yourself
Let's build a self-healing failure tolerant decentralised network and then put all of our content onto one service
Then presumably you buy the ingredients yourself
internet.txt
@nick You should use Bing™ too.
20:02
@CatPlusPlus Yah Let's Do It!
@Columbo Ah, yeah... I remember myself looking at something: "Look at that fucking shit from that annoying fucking ad" and then taking the competitor.
And earn Bing™ Rewards®™.
I haven't seen any web advertisements for a particular brand of onion.
in fact, I don't recall seeing a single brand on any onion I've ever purchased.
And onions are great.
pretty much all of the ingredients that I typically buy are store own brand or just completely unbranded.
20:03
@CatPlusPlus so basically a botnet
@ElimGarak That's what a person with half a brain might do, but then again, it's the masses, and they all share half a brain
@nick ...no?
That's literally Internet
@ElimGarak I've thought that when seeing some ads, but I'm not sure if I ever did.
you want everything served from what we would traditionally call clients
20:04
mm so we're talking about renting datacenters?
probably not cuz someone has to pay for that
I have to say, internet advertising would be a lot more effective if they actually targetted it remotely effectively.
I don't know what you're talking about, I literally described Internet as it is
they do all that tracking and then they serve up car adverts.
I accept the fact that ads might influence what I buy.
or television adverts.
20:05
Free Windows... With ads.
they could at least advertise something I might actually buy, like milk or something.
I don't accept having ads all over the place though.
Windads
@CatPlusPlus ...how is that at all relevant to this discussion?
@Puppy That's what's the entire tracking debacle of the past 10 years has been
20:06
actually never mind
@CatPlusPlus A lot of people claim they do it, but I've yet to actually witness any effective ad targetting ;p
I've said so much shit about Call of Duty in my life that I should see anti Call of Duty ads.
I like siftd's model. You can pay for an account and you get extra things, but if you dont theres no ads because the sites revenue comes from the premium accounts. Which means great experience for everyone. (P.S: I can give you a referral link in case you decide to sign up ;))
@ElimGarak Hate CoD? You might also hate insert game!
@nick It was semi-related tubyube quip
20:07
I would absolutely love ads going like "You hate fucking Call of Duty, you'll fucking love this". Then it would be remotely useful.
@ElimGarak I dunno, I think if you could actually fuck CoD, you wouldn't hate it so much.
@ElimGarak You mean "You'll love fucking this".
@CatPlusPlus I misunderstood you, sorry
@Nooble when are we gonna see some code
@nick Later today.
Haha tubyube also made a subscription service and people will be getting like next to nothing
20:10
IIRC though youtube still barely makes a profit, if at all
serving up all those videos ain't cheap
don't they have like some sort of tiered compensation program?
didnt youtube annonce a paying account thing? (this: youtube.com/red)
pretty sure channels with lots of subscribers and lots of views get a bigger cut
could be wrong though
@Borgleader Yeah, following in RedTube's footsteps, you can opt in for YouTube RED
I prefer TED
20:11
Yes the biggest channels might get more
@ElimGarak Best naem evar.
@nick Where you talk about your book.
Vast majority will not
you can watch my talk at ed.ted.com/on/JB2WNUw0
@ElimGarak Like anyone pays for porn :P
20:12
wait shit nobody will recognize this guy because they all have ads disabled
Real tragedy
@nick wait thats... "I'm here in my garage with my two lamborghinis" dude isnt it?
@nick NIIIIIIICK
yup
who was it that posted this before?
@Nooble ?
20:14
@Borgleader Yep.
Dreams aren't possible and it is okay to be a failure ahah
I dont know why, this guy reminds me of Marshal from HIMYM
llvm is still building T_T it been nearly an hour...
Your computer sucks
I cancelled by gcc build after 2 hours
(when I realized it was only necessary for an optional dependency)
@Borgleader Hey, porn is supposed to be one of the most profitable things on the internet.
Ell
Ell
20:19
reaction to tai lopez
@Morwenn maybe its all ad money? i dont know anyone who subscribed to a porn site
It is said to move more money than the net giants combined.
Ell
Ell
porn?
@Borgleader You generally can't find all the fetish you want for free. Commercial porn ha to target many very specific groups.
Ell
Ell
oh wait maybe its a different video
20:21
On a side note, UK totally fucked up their fetish porn industry by making it illegal to produce porn videos with a number of fetishes. It seemed like a totally random puritan move.
> Lol, let's ban facesitting.
UK is run by idiots
politicians gotta kiss babies and ban fetish pornography
lmao did they really?
user406009
20:22
@CatPlusPlus still better than the corrupt people running the US though.
@TonyTheLion 2006 is quite old :/
@Morwenn best I could find so far
rofl dem cables
Ell
Ell
@Morwenn yup uk is ridiculous
20:23
@nick They only banned the production of such videos.
user406009
Prostitution really should be legal as well. Fuck the prudes
They've also introduced wubsite blacklists that've been abused from day 1
@Borgleader haha holy shit
Lega prostitution is easier to control.
Ell
Ell
prostitution is legal in the uk I'm p sure
20:24
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finally
prostitution in the UK is a somewhat difficult legal prospect.
@Ell I think only under certain circumstances. ICBWT
if I remember correctly, it's perfectly legal but illegal to advertise your services, or something like that.
@Borgleader it's a nest of horror
Ell
Ell
20:24
I think it's legal to prostitute yourself but you can't pimp or sthng
pretty sure running a brothel or organized network of prostitutes is illegal
Ell
Ell
Yeah I think so too
basically, lots of related activities are illegal but the core act of having sex for money is not.
if I recall correctly.
user1804599
@Ven is my favourite prostitute.
user406009
Here is an interesting moral question, should CG child porn be illegal?
20:28
@Lalaland Isn't it illegal already?
user406009
Should that "fetish" be banned.
It is ambiguous, especially in cartoon form. But no children are harmed in the production of it and it may serve as a release valve for those having issues controlling their urges.
oh, I thought it was only legal in Japan
user406009
@TonyTheLion it is illegal. The question if whether it should be.
Ven
Ven
@Elyse rude
20:29
@Lalaland It is illegal where?
Ven
Ven
you've never paid me.
@Puppy in glorious UK
well
@Puppy It's ambiguous almost everywhere and it may cause trouble if the legal system doesn't like you.
preventing child pornography has nothing to do with turning paedophiles into criminals or judging them in any way; it's all about protecting children.
if there are no actual children being harmed, then I say it should be legal.
20:31
@nick thats really you talking?
I appreciate that there can be a complicated question about whether or not CGI images of child pornography would actually result in harm to children or not
@TonyTheLion of course :)
but that's not a thing for random politicians to decide, it's a thing to call in some scientists.
@nick you're a good looking guy ;)
@Puppy and yet random politicians decide these things
I know, it's broken.
20:33
lets rebuild it
user1804599
Politicians don't understand indirection.
@TonyTheLion I get that a lot
Ven
Ven
@Elyse and you don't understand prostitution
user406009
@Puppy actually I was wrong. They tried banning cgi child porn in the US, but the supreme Court stepped in and unbanned it.
20:35
@nick probably because its got merit
@Lalaland oh wow
user1804599
@Ven I'm Dutch. You are not entitled to say I don't understand prostitution.
Ven
Ven
@Elyse you're not entitled to say i'm your [favorite] prostitute
@Elyse Fair point.
user1804599
@Ven You are wrong.
Politicians don't understand many things. Sometimes, they even fail to comprehend islands (Warning: potato quality)
Ell
Ell
20:37
@Lalaland not sure
my instinct says no
@TonyTheLion make distclean; make
I remember reading a very interesting article about pedophiles. Unfortunately, it was in French.
Ven
Ven
link it
user406009
@TonyTheLion here is the case:scholar.google.com/…
20:42
Bitdefender thinks my application that uses llvm is a virus >.<
they probably heard about you online
user406009
I have to admit that while must of the US's political system is screwed up, at least the Supreme Court does its job most of the time.
@Puppy :(
user1804599
@CaseyNewton No startup idea: throw away all your socks, then buy a bunch of identical pairs.
I was told ML programs run faster and faster with stronger hardware, while C++ code eventually declines in performance.
user1804599
20:45
Yes, it's complete Bjarne Stroustrup.
user406009
@Columbo probably talking about scaling to multiple cores.
@Lalaland Yeah, it was that.
user1804599
C++, mutating values all over the place, is terrible at parallelism. ML, not mutating values all over the place, is better at parallelism.
@Elyse I see.
@Elyse That is, because of synchronization and caching?
user1804599
No need to synchronise if all you do is read!
20:47
@Nooble my design skills are out of this world i.sstatic.net/o6WiB.png
Ell
Ell
no need to cache if all you do is write ;)
user1804599
If all you do is write you can just as well do nothing at all because write-only memory is useless.
user1804599
It's the combination of writing and reading that destroys everything.
But perfect for writing Perl
That déjà-vu...
Ell
Ell
20:49
@Elyse you might not be writing to memory
maybe you are writing to the outside world
@nick good talk :)
user1804599
Let's see if I can get the Haskell ZeroMQ library to work on Windows.
@TonyTheLion now go change the world
user1804599
Beh, still experimental.
Ell
Ell
20:52
Hmm I want to try measuring how "sorted" a list is
@Ell a list is either sorted, or it isnt
user406009
@Ell You count the number of inversions.
user1804599
@Ell Levenshtein distance between list and sorted list.
user406009
You can do this with an O(nlogn) algorithm.
user406009
I can tell you how to do it if you want.
user406009
20:53
(Or you could post on SO for rep farming purposes)
Ell
Ell
I only needed a hint thanks :)
It's an assignment extension so I gotta do it myself
can it be done with any algorithm?
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Q: Is there a way to measure how sorted a list is?

JosellIs there is a way to measure how sorted a list is? I mean, it's not about knowing if a list is sorted or not (boolean), but something like a ratio of "sortness", something like the coefficient of correlation in statistics. For example, If the items of a list are in ascending order, then its ...

hmm
user406009
Darn, there's already a question and answer on StackOverflow.
surprise
user406009
All the good questions have already been asked.
user406009
I officially give up on trying to earn any more rep.
20:56
you have enough anyway :p
@Lalaland pretty much
probably your best bet is to wait until a new JS framework is released and start answering all related questions
there's a new JS framework every 5 minutes
Ell
Ell
Or you could release your own JS framework
I just had a brilliant SO bot idea :P
you're a genius
@nick Did someone mention @Puppy?
WOOF
21:01
haha
@Ell I'd probably go with something like a) use sort algorithm of your choice, b) return how many swaps you actually had to make.
Ell
Ell
@Puppy Yeah. I think the number of inversions is different to the number of swaps though
according to that Stack Overflow answer linked above anyway
@Ell Not if you have a swap-optimal algorithm.
Alright, looks like my vote wasn't for shit, seems like these guys are going to win. Good, now restore my tax rates, bby.
user406009
Actually, the number of inversions is always greater than or equal to the number of swaps.
user406009
21:06
@ElimGarak Hoping for lower taxes?
then I guess I don't know what an inversion is.
or what the point is, if you can set it to 0 with a lower number of swaps.
user406009
Each good swap always removes 1 or more inversions.
@Lalaland Brought about by the other side (commies) against the wishes of the right wingy democrat party, so they'll probably raze it down as soon as they're in office.
then what even is an inversion.
user406009
An inversion is when a < b, but array[a] > array[b]
user406009
21:11
One single swap can remove multiple inversions.
user406009
Like for instance 5 2 3 1 has 4 inversions.
user406009
If you swap 1 and 5, it then has 0 inversions.
@nick Flynotes?
nope
time to open ze wine, ze wine is much nicer than the wine, btw
21:15
Gaem needs a serious redesign, @Nooble
I'm on it, though
Ugh params cannot be IEnumerable, can't have one overload that takes params and another that takes IEnumerable, sucks
Why can't it be IEnumerable/why can't you overload it?
Because it's ambiguous
And params IEnumerable is illegal, must be an array type
what's the ambiguity?
params automatically unpacks an array, but arrays are also IEnumerable
21:23
I wonder if I should rewatch X-Files before the new thing comes out
Though maybe it'll work if I'm never using array unpacking
@nick What is it
@набиячлэвэлиь I know.
But I'm working on Adventure mwahahaha.
something else
not sure yet
oh god damn it reddit, I didn't want to see that very literal representation of the Bond character 'Octo-pussy'
@Borgleader I loved the X-Files when I watched it
21:30
@Borgleader I recently did, I have no regrets
Ven
Ven
@Elyse there's a way to interface Nim(rod) and GNU COBOL. Seems amazing
user1804599
I don't care.
Ven
Ven
I do
nah I don't really
user1804599
I want to play video games.
user1804599
And find a better job.
21:35
@Elyse come and work in ~america~
user1804599
What kind of job?
user1804599
I don't know what job I want.
@thecoshman X-Files it is then /cc @TonyTheLion
Phew, the algorithms in my library finally support projection parameters. And I can add range-v3 and libc++ to the list of libraries I borrowed code from.
user1804599
All I like to do is play videogames and I can't do anything but playing video games and programming.
21:38
@Morwenn projection wut?
@Borgleader Projections are invokable parameters that apply a transformation on-the-fly to the objects handled by the algorithms.
user406009
@Elyse A job that brings you money.
@Morwenn I know some of these words
user1804599
@Lalaland yeah no shit.
For example, if you want to sort a Person on its name, you can write sort(persons, &Person::name);.
21:39
@Morwenn Oh, I think I get it
user1804599
Maybe I want to pursue a career in botany.
@Morwenn Yeah, I get it. It just sounds like a bunch of buzzwords when you first read it
@Elyse go back to school
Projections come from the Ranges TS and were originally used in Adobe Source libraries.
user1804599
@Jeremy No, that's a waste of money.
21:41
@набиячлэвэлиь I can't deny it: these are buzzwords.
@Jeremy And teach kids about purity and parametricity
user1804599
It also makes me unhappy.
user1804599
School is not fun.
X-Files music is so 90s
@Jeremy USA! USA! USA!
user406009
21:43
@Elyse Yes, but extra cash/opportunities from having a degree is fun.
user406009
(Of course, the exact cost/benefit analysis is highly situational)
user1804599
So I should be sad for four years of my fucking life?
you can do well for yourself as a developer with no degree, provided you have experience
of course, that means you'll just have to work that much harder in your early career
user1804599
Especially considering being around potential transphobic idiots.
user406009
@Elyse Welcome to life. No warranty implied or guaranteed. No refunds.
user1804599
21:45
No thanks, I'd rather keep my job.
user406009
Only idiots are transphobic and you can just ignore them.
Ven
Ven
"welcome to life" is probably the most moronic thing one could say. "Stuff sucks, but you can't change it. why? because you can't"
YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR LIFE
WATCH MY TED TALK
Ven
Ven
sounds like something out of /r/im14andthisisdeep
@Lalaland Haha, as if it was that easy :p
user1804599
21:46
@nick What? Your teddybear can talk? :D
@Morwenn Some day you must teach me how to code that :P
user406009
@Ven Well, do you at least admit that the world isn't perfect? There are things which are unfortunate, but that you cannot easily change.
@Borgleader Not that hard: steal Eric Niebler's as_function, then steal libc++ algorithms, add a Projection template parameter and use it everywhere you'd perform a comparison.
user406009
For instance, the use of a degree as a way to narrow down candidates even if the degree has no relation to the job.
user406009
Companies act in their own best interest, and if they can use something to improve their hiring accuracy, they will.
21:49
@Borgleader Here, have this projection-enhanced bubble sort.
user1804599
Maybe I should win the lottery.
@Lalaland it's not really the company, it's the hiring department
@Morwenn Thanks
user406009
@nick Then the question become why does the hiring department act that way? And I think there are good arguments that using unrelated degrees as a hiring filter is effective.
in looser corporate cultures like startups they tend to put more emphasis on accomplishments rather than degrees
some of them anyways
user406009
The main argument is that people who get such degrees tend to be general candidates in general.
user406009
The degree itself isn't important, it's the type of person willing and able to get a degree.
@Lalaland unfortunately that attitude is quite prevalent
This glass is running the risk of becoming a bottle :\
user406009
21:54
@nick I think it has a certain degree of truth though.
user406009
It's not a very good signal of quality, but it does have some correlation.
personally I see little correlation between the ability to earn a bachelor's degree and the ability to write good code
user406009
In the same way that asking you C++ questions might not be a good signal of your ability to program in C, but there is some signal there.
user406009
@nick Yes, but we all have limited information when we make decisions.
user406009
We can't know everything about every candidate.
21:55
@nick writing good code isn't all you want. Startups might just want that, but then startups are your and stupid and don't realise there is more than just code that needs to be done.
user406009
We have to make guesses.
`ForwardIterator current = first;`
`ForwardIterator next = std::next(current);`
y u no auto
@набиячлэвэлиь Lol, I follow no strict guideline when I code.
@nick Yeah I mean look at me. No degree and already the #1 coder ever.
@Morwenn autooOOOooOOoooooOOooOoooOooOo!
21:57
Out of my graduating class in high school, 97% of them went on to college. Earning a bachelor's degree is not hard
I mean, besides you nick.
@Nooble exactly
@Morwenn ew, 'size' parameter.
user406009
@nick That's a biased scenario.
@Lalaland Look at portfolios?
21:58
@набиячлэвэлиь Also I had some problem at some points and I didn't know whether I was dealing with iterators or values at some point. It may come from that time.
user406009
When you look at the whole population, a lot less people get bachelor's degrees.
@Morwenn auto! auto! auto! auto! auto! auto! auto! auto! auto! auto!
@nick if only they were not just 'pass or fail'. Still, that's half the point, if you can't even get a degree, get out.
@thecoshman There is a whole tutorial which explains why (mostly because it's designed to work with forward iterators).
user406009
And I'm not saying that bachelor's degrees are a good signal. They are just an easy available one.
21:59
@Morwenn blah blah blah, still ew
@thecoshman You're ew
@Lalaland exactly, it's more like a flag if you don't have one.
user406009
@Nooble That takes time and effort.
@Lalaland Not a lot more.
21:59
@Borgleader Contrary to the implication in the comments, bubble sort is not a good choice of fallback to sort small collections. For that role, you almost always want an insertion sort (and for the rare exception, selection sort). The other possibility is to "fallback" for larger collections, and use a Shell (or Shell-Metzner) sort.
@thecoshman Oh, and this function is not part of the public API. It's called from functions that already know the ize and thus avoid a call to std::distance which is O(n) with forward iterators.

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