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7:03 PM
@Nooble How dare you get in a relationship on FB you cheating bastard
 
@Borgleader I suppose next you're going to claim that this isn't really a proper screen shot either:
 
@MadameElyse OK, a must-have:)
 
@AngryLettuce I should somehow detach myself when I need to run. It was 11:57 and school exits 12:00. So I was gonna be late anyways
 
user1804599
7:20 PM
I'm so bored. :'(
 
Minecraft?
 
weren't you about to write a blog entry
 
@Shoe Despite the name, Mincraft only supports manual digging. It has nothing in the way of automated boring equipment.
 
user1804599
I didn't know what to do, so I decided to write a blog post. Now I don't know what to write a blog post about.
 
7:28 PM
da fuck
 
what's a F# ckBuddy
 
@AlexM. You forgot to prepend "Mum"
 
I only like HaskellckBuddies
 
Fuckin' 367 mails of that kind
Do these people have any DECENCY
 
OR CAPSLOCK for that matter
 
@Columbo They do (but they're working on eliminating that minor problem).
 
@JerryCoffin It bugs me that they may be serious, and I'm missing the greatest orgy of my life
 
@набиячлэвэлиь shall we, say, just link to the guy's profile?
 
user1804599
LINQ is monads all the way down.
 
7:33 PM
@MadameElyse About you being boring?
 
user1804599
I am so fucking bored.
 
Sorry, I meant "bored" :P
 
user1804599
What a waste of time.
 
@Shoe Manually bored, because Minecraft doesn't have boring equipment
 
@Columbo Well, of course thousands of stunningly beautiful young women are waiting to have sex with you, because it's so hard for beautiful young women to find other men who will even talk with them, not to mention doing anything more intimate.
 
user1804599
7:36 PM
I don't have any unsolved problems to solve.
 
@Columbo What kind of websites do you even visit?
lol
 
erm. What unsolved problems did you solve?
They might make good subjects for blog posts
 
@Shoe That's actually all sent to an address I don't longer use. I probably visited fucked up porn sites back when I was 13, that would explain a lot of these
 
When you were 13...
... right
 
That's twisted
 
7:39 PM
@Shoe Nobody believes me when I say that either. Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Internet didn't exist when I was 13, could it?
 
@JerryCoffin Not even ARPANET?
 
@JerryCoffin lol
Maybe
 
When I was ~13 I once got a version of tetris from a friend who got it off a bulletin board. When you cleared a line, a part of a porn gif - all pixelley of course - would appear. It's one of the few games I ever played with some conviction :)
It even had a second level - with a second (almost unfigure-outable) scene.
 
@JerryCoffin In actuality, there's a fair number of stunningly beautiful young women who only get to talk to experienced, cold-hearted womanizers, because all other volunteers are conditioned against them. In such situations I may be of help
On an unrelated note, the (stable) Clang 3.7 branch fully supports Constainer, yay
 
Nah. The answer helped you - we just won't see many upvotes. It's still handy code and correctly tagged, in case anyone ever searched SO for a sample showing betweenness-centrality in C++ (besides random generated graphs and statistical accumulators) — sehe 1 min ago
 
7:44 PM
@Columbo Let's see--when I was 13 it did definitely exist. Pretty sure it had at least 3 nodes by then (well, at least 2, anyway).
 
Oh come on
 
@Shoe That was tasteless. No excuses. You don't /ever/ post that.
 
@Shoe At least mark it as NSFW
Jesus
 
Give me a sec
@sehe Why?
Well, if you have the stargazer you can see the message still
 
@Columbo More importantly, don't freaking onebox porny stuff
 
7:45 PM
@sehe It's tasteless to outline a word using frickin' slashes
We have Markdown for a reason
 
Anyway, no matter how many times I tell it not to show it, it keeps showing
 
@Shoe If you have to ask, I'll happily introduce you to a mod who can explain that, because I for one am not going to explain the obvious to you because you like to play the fool.
@Shoe People are at work. People have family. Onebox of that is outrageous
 
@Columbo Well, you do honestly have something of a point there.
 
@MadameElyse Is your compiler "sufficiently smart" yet? ;)
@sehe Was it called Titris?
 
Porntris if you must know :)
 
7:49 PM
@JerryCoffin My theory is that they'll eventually start looking primarily for personality and less for superficialities. I'll write up a paper once @MadameElyse fucks Heidi Klum.
 
can initializer_list be nested? e.g. initialize a matrix with A{{1,2},{3,4}} ?
 
@VillasV That's best covered by aggregate initialization.
 
I'm failing to make it work
 
@VillasV Yes. That's nested uniform [sic] initialization, and if ctors take initializer lists then they apply
 
@sehe Just use the normative term: list-initialization.
 
7:51 PM
@VillasV braced init lists can be nested, yes—as to whether an actual std::initializer_list<…> can, it depends what you are trying to do specifically
 
@Columbo never heard of, will look into it
oh wait, you mean the initialization that works in the aggregate members?
 
Nvm, it is hyphenated.
 
@Columbo +1
 
@sehe lol are you threatening me?
 
No I'm telling you quit playing dumb
 
7:52 PM
that's not what I wanted at first, because the whole outer list shold be put into one array<array<...>>
 
it's just the ass of a girl with underwear
 
And you're just playing dumb.
 
Key words: "ass", "underwear"
 
much worse things have been oneboxed here
 
@sehe And you're still responding to the troll.
 
7:52 PM
also I've oneboxed it for like 2 seconds
 
That's the whole problem! Had you not (more like 10 seconds), I wouldn't even have flinched
 
ok
 
(Btw., what does onebox mean? Urban Dictionary gives "A being constantly in a state of inebriation, also containing a penis resembling that of a tuna can: Hates his wife.")
 
That stuff can never be oneboxed. It's not hard to get
 
@Columbo like when you post a pic and it shows here
embedding
 
7:54 PM
@Columbo inlining of images/videos/amazon things
 
Ahh, thanks.
 
wiki articles
 
[img] tags
 
21
Q: What sites should have hyperlinking (onebox) support in chat?

Juha SyrjäläSome sites are integrated to chat . What additional sites should the chat support? One suggestion per answer.

so meta-
 
@VillasV for fixed size things you can actually use refs-to-arrays for braced init list purposes
 
8:00 PM
I was thinking of this as yet-another-bad-matrix-impl:
`
template<class T, std::size_t Nrows, std::size_t Ncols>
class Matrix
{
using initializer_t = std::initializer_list<std::initializer_list<T>>;
public:
Matrix() = default;
Matrix(const initializer_t L) : data{L} {}
(...)
private:
std::array<std::array<T, Ncols>, Nrows> data
`
@LucDanton you mean a normal ctor from array and initialize that array from initializer_list?
 
why not just accept a std::array<std::array<T, Ncols>, Nrows> in the constructor?
 
@melak47 IDK, I guess I just like to complicate my life
 
@melak47 cus I don’t recall how much was aggregate init was fixed and if that applies here :)
and for my own purposes there was no std::array at all involved (nevermind that the aggregate init fixes were only on the horizon back then, too)
 
"cannot convert initializer_list<initializer_list<T>> to double" wth
 
8:08 PM
ah, I see.
 
Wait, why's there an rvalue reference to array
 
why not :D
 
Two characters wasted?
 
I guess I can't get A{{1,2}{1,3}} because it conflicts with aggregate initialization?
 
Unless you put a non-movable type into array, I guess.
 
8:15 PM
@Columbo two? you can't pass arrays by value ;)
 
@LucDanton Why using std:array traps you into that ugly syntax?
 
@TonyTheLion hey! <3
 
@Borgleader sup?
 
@TonyTheLion nm, debugging stuff. you?
 
@Borgleader watching Flemsih comedy stuff on youtube.
 
8:22 PM
coolio
 
23
Q: C++11: Correct std::array initialization?

CaffeineAddictIf I initialize a std::array as follows, the compiler gives me a warning about missing braces std::array<int, 4> a = {1, 2, 3, 4}; This fixes the problem: std::array<int, 4> a = {{1, 2, 3, 4}}; This is the warning message: missing braces around initializer for 'std::array<int, 4u>::value_...

I don’t understand current elision rules enough to say whether you really have to double brace or not
 
so std:array is not actually using initializer_list, its just using aggregate initialization
now I understand why I'm doing everything wrong, what a mess
 
Xeo
Gah, I wish VS'15 had the fix to aggregate init that allows NSDMIs
 
this is the best Clang and GCC will accept and it takes -Wno-missing-braces (which is a 'helpful' warning, not a conformance violation) to shut up Clang
 
8:34 PM
BSDM always comes to mind when I see the acronym NSDMI
 
@milleniumbug you naughty naughty boy, you shall be punished for this
 
@milleniumbug Where BSDM = Berkeley Software Distribution, Modified?
 
@LucDanton yes, using that alias I could receive the prettiest form, but I'm not able to construct the array<array<..>..>> form it properly
 
@VillasV throw in more braces until it works
it’s the only way
 
8:37 PM
@LucDanton brace it from orbit?
 
I mean this
`Matrix(alias<T[Nrows][Ncols]>&&L) : data(L) { }`
It doesn't look like extra braces will help me.
So I guess I'll have to go back to the ugly notation
 
@VillasV oh yeah you have to copy the data in
that’s something else
 
you can always do template<typename... Args, std::enable_if_t<(sizeof...(Args) <= N*M), int> = 0> Matrix(Args... args) : data{args...} {}
 
@VillasV you can’t construct an std::array<T, N> from a T[N]
 
Xeo
@LucDanton "helpful"... yeah
 
8:42 PM
Zeus... when I read the new initialization standards a while back I thought it would make stuff easier
 
@melak47 doesn’t requires sizeof...(Args) <= N*M look nicer (fun exercise: where do you think that goes in the definition?)
@VillasV well… it does, doesn’t it?
 
@LucDanton probably between data and {args...} :D
 
so far is basically the same difficulty, just safer and sometimes messy
 
@melak47 then how do you declare the constructor without defining :)
 
I dunno :p from what I recall the requires goes between the template<...> and the declaration, no?
 
8:44 PM
yep, back to ugly notation. thanks @LucDanton
 
@VillasV read everything again
 
@LucDanton Will do more thoroughly, I got the wrong impression about most stuff. But I do think that braced initialization brought a little bit of confusion.
 
@CatPlusPlus how does one connect to IRC again :(
 
yeah I got it working. Barely
 
Ell
9:02 PM
so how does this digitalocean thing work then
 
I should probably just use the intrinsics :D
 
You should. That's portable compiler heuristics :)
 
@VillasV I wish I could say the same. I was trying to figure out how to build a constexpr std::array<char, N> from either a constexpr char[N] or a constexpr std::initializer_list<char>. I finally surrendered and did away with constexpr to use std::string instead.
 
9:17 PM
@caps huh? can't you just init by indexing with a std::index_sequence?
 
IIRC you can't map values to types using constexpr.
 
@melak47 Uh... I don't see std::index_sequence in en.cppreference.com
 
@caps should be under integer_sequence
yeah there you go. `template<std::size_t... Ints>
using index_sequence = std::integer_sequence<std::size_t, Ints...>;`
 
@melak47 Ah, I see.
 
grr, murkdown
 
9:19 PM
@TonyTheLion We are a very modern species.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I noticed
 
A good thing I didn't click the comment while I saw it at work first. About 20 people would have had a hearty laugh.
 
oh my
 
So... constexpr std::integer_sequence<char, 'm','y',' ','s','t','r','i','n','g',' ','g','o','e','s',' ','h','e','r','e'> ?
Kind of awkward...
 
@caps lol
You can do that with "my string goes here"_something IIRC
 
9:24 PM
@Shoe with the gnu extension for that particular UDL
 
not really
just using user defined literals
there's a template version that gives you the list of characters just like in the example above
you just have to unpack it into an std::integer_sequence
 
@Shoe there isn't for strings, not in the standard
for numbers, yes
the one for strings is a gnu extension :)
last time I checked anyway. maybe it's been standardized by now :p
 
oh boy
i have to fire up my standard, do i
 
cppreference will do
 
BOOOOOM
 
9:28 PM
according to cppreference, that only applies to integer and float literals
 
yeah, unfortunately
weird
 
 
I used to parse things like "[1..2]3" at compile time without enabling any extension
 
@StackedCrooked I'm not sure I follow.
 
@Shoe you can still walk the pointer you get from the regular string UDL
also, what's "[1..2]3" mean :D
 
9:32 PM
It used to be a ranged integer
The idea was that it would not compile
And things like [1..2] + [3...10] would result in [4..12] and things like that
 
@Shoe There's a library that does that.
 
@caps what fun is that :p
@caps here's what I did for the string thing: gist.github.com/melak47/abf071e5287e9579e0c8
 
@caps You can't have a constexpr function where the return type depends on the value. So if it takes a int n it can't be made to return a array<int, n>.
 
@melak47 Nice. Will look into it.
 
9:36 PM
Unless the int n is a template parameter of course.
 
@StackedCrooked Dang. Why not?
 
because the compiler has total rights to evaluate constexpr functions at runtime
 
except in Nebraska
 
@caps However, a template might solve your problem.
 
now you have problem template :)
 
9:39 PM
@melak47 But can you create me a problem template factory?
 
Xeo
Welp, guess my game takes place in the quantum world now. I accidentally implemented tunneling through platforms.
 
@Puppy you can force compile time evaluation
template<class T, T N>
inline constexpr T force_eval() { return N; }
 
constexpr_cast plz
 
#define constexpr_cast(x) force_eval<decltype(x), (x)>()
 
@caps the error messages get glorious
 
9:42 PM
@LucDanton lol.
 
@VillasV look at your compiler errors more closely but I’m fairly sure it’s complaining about this—as you can see, no brace init list is involved
 
I think I finally get the deal with constexpr. It's a way to perform value-to-value computations at compile time using normal function syntax. In the past we could only do type-to-type and type-to-value (using function templates). So it completes the puzzle.
 
Xeo
@orlp casts are for types...
@StackedCrooked Missing value-to-type.
 
I just noticed myself :D
macros can do that :P
 
@Xeo tell that to @melak47, not me
 
Xeo
9:43 PM
Templates can, too vOv
 
@LucDanton static assertion failed: constexpr_string<char, 'i','n','d','e','x',' ','o','u','t',' ','o','f',' ','b','o','u','n','d','s'>
 
@Xeo But not using normal function call syntax afaik?
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked nopes
 
@melak47 not even a little :Þ
 
@orlp why are you ordering sausages orip
 
9:44 PM
@LucDanton if you squint, maybe it'll be better :(
 
@CatPlusPlus I love sausage, Cat Pius Pius
 
who doesnt like big fat sausage in their mouth
6
 
Xeo
@melak47 'inde', 'x ou', 't of', 'boun', 'ds' :D
 
I was supposed to eat soup while chili is boiling but I drank beer instead
rip me
 
@Xeo ugh, boost does that somewhere IIRC
 
9:46 PM
cats life is going in the right direction :P
 
Xeo
mpl::string or something
 
Well, 'supposed', I wanted to
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Beer doesn't sound like the right direction to me...
 
<sarcasm/>
 
@Xeo I forgot how multichar character literals work. do the chars just get stuffed in the different bytes of an int?
 
Xeo
9:48 PM
@melak47 However the implementation wants to make them work
though they're all consistent in doing what you said, yeah
 
Gah
I have one large pot and it's fucking garbage
No matter what I do everything sticks to the bottom and gets burned :<
 
buy another one?
 
Xeo
We use multi-char literals at work as buffer tags, and I wanted to implement a portable version - but then I remembered VS doesn't do constexpr :<
 
I have a large list of kitchen things to buy, BUT I'm still in the phase where I move every fucking year or two, so I want to own as little as possible
 
Xeo
So we rely on the fact that it's consistent between all major compilers, for now.
 
9:49 PM
oh I see
I am hoping to get out of the moving phase this year
 
Xeo
I've only moved once so far, and I don't plan to for another 5 years or something
 
@Xeo I wonder if UE compiles under "Clang with MS codegen" :D
 
Xeo
@melak47 UE compiles under Clang vOv
 
I forgot when I put the rice on
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus so sell the old one
or give it away
 
9:50 PM
I blame all of you
 
Xeo
it's used to cross-compile to Linux and on Mac
 
@Ell Sell the old one what
It's not mine, that's the point
 
Ell
Oh
 
I don't have to move it
 
Ell
sell something you own then :P
 
Xeo
9:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus Get a rice-cooker, scrub
 
rice isn't exactly hard to cook is it
 
See above
No, it's not, but if you cook it too long it turns into mush
Hence remembering the time is kinda important
 
well thats what I use the timer on my phone for
 
I'll give it like 2 minutes more whatever
 
Xeo
Also, now I'd like to have some chili.
 
9:52 PM
to know how long things have been on
 
one additional pot is really not that hard to move
 
It adds up
It's not the only thing I would like to have
This kitchen is woefully underequipped
 
so is mine to be honest
my oven has no more markings on it, so I can't use it
 
@Xeo Con carne~ with portobelloes
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I got 2kg ground meat in the freezer, I could make some
Maybe tomorrow
 
9:56 PM
@CatPlusPlus You can't do that! I get sole credit for this.
 
@CatPlusPlus So does all the time you spend suboptimally cooking suboptimal food.
 
Your face is suboptimal
 
Xeo
Welp, time for sleeps.
 
Time for another beer
 
user1804599
@sehe None.
 
user1804599
10:04 PM
Well, I partially solved the problem of being unable to quickly find the documentation of flags in man pages.
 
Wow. Impresive
 
did you use google
 
Write a blog post about it
 
@MadameElyse And thus, fagman was created
 
user1804599
No it's not done yet.
 
user1804599
10:07 PM
Some man pages don't put blank lines before flags.
 
user1804599
So the tool I wrote doesn't find them.
 
user1804599
@Shoe [1..2]3 is valid Haskell syntax!
 
yup
You should write a blog post about it
 
Hmnm... Do I have any blog?
I cannot remember if I have registered anywhere or not in the past decade.
SJWs in action? :)
> Reporters and authorities continued to draw a blank on Wednesday in the search for a refugee reported to have died as a result of exposure to the cold while queuing at the Berlin health authority. The volunteer who reported the death is refusing to speak with anyone.
 
10:25 PM
@Shoe wut
 
@wilx ... the question mark + smiley is really weird
@StackedCrooked is something wrong with coliru atm?
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow does Karel not feature short-circuiting or does your compiler optimise it out?
 
@sehe Are you mad at me? :>
 
@sehe Why? You are being bothered by the weirdest thing.
 
Who's bothered?
@Shoe Not anymore. I think you got the point right
 
10:28 PM
I'm sorry though
 
Ell
Why is it I get motivated to programme just before I need to go to bed?
Maybe it's so I can have an excuse to not actually programme
or maybe I work better at night
 
happens to me too
 
@Ell I have this as well. Resist. Go to bed!
 
@Shoe that's ok - I don't hold grudges well (it presupposes a memory)
@Ell or more likely, an excuse to not go to bed
 
Ell
yes, that is most likely I think
 
10:30 PM
Everything looks extremely interesting right before going to bed
or even in bed
 
@wilx But since you dropped it, what's funny about that headline or the insinuation?
 
@sehe It fits the modus operandi of SJWs, how they make shit up to propel their narrative.
 
Wait. How can there even be confusion. Deaths are usually easily checked.
If there's no body, there's a larger case and the man who reported the death would be in police custody now.
@wilx Well, in this case it fits the modus operandi of a lunatic who lost his shit, mebbe
(inb4 the obvious)
 
> She added that the man who reported the death had "barricaded himself" in his apartment and was refusing to speak with anyone.
 
That's it. No trustworthiness in the first place. Doesn't jell with:
> "We have to believe that our people have enough intelligence not to make up a story like this."
Because, if there's not a body, that's the last thing you have to believe
 
10:42 PM
what a night, just kept spiraling down, no bottom
 
@wilx This is a very broad claim.
 
complete and overenginered failure
 
@caps Yup.
 
@wilx I guess we all like to see the things that fit with our own worldview.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, he's undoubtedly correct that it has happened at least once. Whether it's any more common than other people making up stories to further their agendas (for only one possibility) is probably open to a lot more question.
 
10:46 PM
@JerryCoffin What I understood from his point was that making shit up is a common trait of all SJWs.
 
Ell
I'm excited for cycles material vault: cyclesmaterialvault.com
 
Which is strange because I hang out in SJW spaces and I rarely encounter such things.
So my point is that we're all drawn to the things that confirm what we already believe.
I stick to sources that show bullshit from the alt-right, and wilx stick to sources that show bullshit from the SJWs.
And we both go out of there assuming the other side is a bullshit factory.
 
You are siding with SJW now or are you just playing the devil's advocate?
 
@Shoe I mostly align with SJW ideals, I think.
 
Such as?
 
10:52 PM
Equality, mostly.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ...and to a limited degree you're both right. If you look exclusively (or even primarily) at those who hold the most extreme views (in almost any direction) you can find some who are willing to bend the truth (and sometimes tell outright lies) to further their agendas. Your SJW friends probably aren't in that lunatic fringe segment though (and what you see as the far right may well be a lot more extreme than Wilx or his direct friends too).
 
@EtiennedeMartel Do you think that women in western countries like Canada or USA or Italy are minorities or subjugated by men?
 
@Shoe I wouldn't say "subjugated", but I think they still get the short end of the stick in a lot of cases.
 
user1804599
> now
 
user1804599
Btw you should check out my PostgreSQL fork.
2
 
10:55 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Such as?
@MadameElyse You forget I get notifications from every action you take on github :)
 
user1804599
:O
 
Except for private repos/fork. But I'm pretty sure you use bitbucket for that.
 
@Shoe Career prospects, for example.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not sure I follow
 
@MadameElyse you forget to post every trigger action with #disgusted on twitter
 
10:58 PM
@Shoe Women are not paid as well as men, are not as likely to get on the higher levels of a job hierarchy, might not get hired because employers might not want to pay them maternity leave, etc.
But for the most part I think women are the victim of a situation that is also harmful to men. We tend to assume that what you have between your legs determines all kinds of things that shouldn't normally matter, and it forces everyone in neat little boxes that don't really fit.
 
Ell
If only we had baby ovens
3
 
@JohanLarsson uhoh. Like a moth to the lightsource
 
Ell
and by that I mean an external womb, not something that one cooks babies in, just to clarify :P
 
that was only just in time
 
@EtiennedeMartel When you say "women are not paid as well as men" do you mean that "women on average (without considering their career choices) learn less then men"?
 

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