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18:00
@ElimGarak Seriously
sweeet! \o/
is this the weird modules approach clang currently has? with their header <-> module map thing?
@melak47 dunno about clang, but they're implementing the proposal
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(let sub (function (int int) (int)) (compose swap neg add))
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18:08
function is too long I think. As is compose.
@ʞɔᴉN See!
@набиячлевэлиь fuck jpeg, use webp :)
It's like 20 euros.
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lol
@JohanLarsson :/
18:10
Use .png.
@ʞɔᴉN Have you ever spilled water on your keyboard?
what kind of noob spills liquid on a keyboard. oh wait ^
@Borgleader this
Yeah shut up Nick at least I have water in my state.
@Borgleader :P
low blow
not sure why I just got the spontaneous need to clean
18:13
☑ told ☐ not told
was looking at the acrylic one earlier it was kinda neat
@Nooble that link just asks me to log in and shows me pictures of random shit
what iz dis
@Borgleader Massdrop!
Pretty sure it's some law.
@Borgleader you're not a member of this exclusive community
18:15
Something something retailing for lower price than usual something something can't show unless closed group of something something people.
@ʞɔᴉN lol exclusive
@Nooble oh, one of those US only things
@ʞɔᴉN $60 for an acrylic case though.
You should just get that Vortex cast aluminum case.
For, what, $10 more?
but you can put lights in it and make it purdy
@Borgleader maybe for that reason, but MD itself is not US-only; they ship internationally
@ʞɔᴉN ime, any deals on these US based sites get turned into non-deals when they reach customs
so its only worth it if youre in the US
Solution: live in US.
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
18:30
@Nooble And risk having D. Trump as my president? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
@Borgleader :(
I doubt he'll actually win.
@набиячлевэлиь CMake is alright.
@Borgleader Sure... when Firefox decides to support it (which it never will for absolutely unknown reasons).
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They'll roll out support for their shit MNG protocol but WebP? Noooo.
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She's a fucking racist.
> 2013
> Still no webp loading in Firefox vLatest
> Tons of people have given Mozilla up-to-date libwebp patches
why? gitignore is trivial to write =/
Anyway, webp is great and ppl should use it. Its a shame FF hasnt yet :(
@Borgleader Adds a bunch of crap for different platforms.
@Nooble What platform specific crap do you need?
18:38
I use sourcetree to write my gitignores
I mean, it adds stuff even I wouldn't have known about.
@AlexM. Does everyone use sourcetree 0_o
I don't know, there are too many people in the world
I use sourtree sometimes
sourtree :D
*sourcetree
http://www.icy-veins.com/d3/barbarian-rend-physical-build-with-immortal-king-and-wrath-of-the-wastes-patch-2-3
Cant wait to have all these items :O
18:44
@Nooble I have it, but almost never use it. It can show a semi-decent picture of the current state of the repo, but doesn't allow graphical manipulation (e.g., dragging the head of one line to the head of another to do a merge). It's still up to you to figure out the right commands to give to get what you want. IOW, it's not really much easier for a beginner to use than the command line (and quite a bit more work for somebody who knows what they're doing).
> TIL Scientists Just Invented the Neural Lace which would allow your brain to connect to the internet.
another interesting piece of news is that we've found ways to 3D print nerves
IIRC it works on rats
@ElimGarak Have you ever worked with OpenSubdiv?
@Borgleader The weird thing is they support webm already...
@ThePhD yeah idk wtf is up with that.
maybe they did webm because of youtube?
@Borgleader Nah, I'd implement something like that myself. But that is usually integrated into content creation tools rather than content digestion tools like game editors.
18:46
Oh I see
3ds max, Maya, everyone has multiple ways of achieving what that implementation provides, but some are quite technically limited (using the CPUs only etc.)
Does it need special support? Like for creases and such? or was that all existing stuff that they just made more efficient?
@Borgleader It can be relatively easy to integrate, but I am curious; why are you looking at that? You want to make a 3D editing/creation tool?
@Borgleader The worst part is they're pushing that stupid mozjpeg tool.
"JPEGs are fine if we just compress them harder."
@ElimGarak No, but I do follow Blender's development and they're integrating it. And I was wondering if using features from that in a game engine required any special support.
18:51
I wonder if thread_local static variables are prone to memory leaks because old variables aren't destroyed (until the program exits)
That's only useful during production of models, in the end, most game engines dissolve into lowres polygonal models. With potential vector displacement maps for dynamic tessellation. One could implement support for rendering patches directly, but in the end, it always dissolves into triangles after the hull/domain shader, to be rasterized if a GPU is involved.
For example, in the old days, most models would be constructed out of a bunch of really ugly boxes approximating the shape and then subdivided (with averaging) to get a smooth representation. Edits would continue on the low res model and in the end, a smooth structure would be used to retopo the final mesh.
Right, but maybe supporting patches directly is more efficient?
Nah, only if you're doing offline movie rendering. It's never more efficient. Can be for simple structures. In the end, lowres retopos + vector displacement (for tessellation) win the day, to a point. Subpixel sized triangles will destroy performance, so tessellation factors must be controlled strictly.
Hmm ok, so it only becomes more efficient for really highly detailed stuff? (or rather when you need a stupid amount of detail)
Yes, essentially, if you don't work at Pixar / random CG studio, you will just get rekt. :D
18:58
I don't really get how something like coursera can have video players that don't work well in firefox
maybe theyre sponsored by google :P
btw. avoid Blender. Get 3ds max / Maya and get into it. It's free even for commercial use if you're a student.
@ElimGarak Tried 3ds max, hated every second of it.
fuck their UI
19:01
@Borgleader How about Maya?
also Blender is steadily improving.
Zbrush can now be used on a per-model basis for modeling (ZModeler). We use 3ds max as a staging area for models. Before unwrapping and potentially rigging.
@ElimGarak Havent tried it, both Autodesk products and I didnt like 3ds, so i didnt bother.
Zbrush i wanna try though.
Maya was initially developed by Alias, 3ds max was Discreet. And then Autodesk bought them out. They've thought about discontinuing 3ds max because it is a technical mess. Its SDK is a sin against C++anity.
i think you mean 3ds max is a sin
19:04
That, too. But it kinda gets the job done. I think there is a terrific place for someone to get into that spot with a really great tool.
so there's this major CS GO event in my city and the first comments when it was announced were "why is it so cheap O_o"
:<
People think high price == quality. That's how 3ds max got popular.
(it's about 70% cheaper than its counterpart in Germany for example)
I was at an Autodesk event once, in the keynote there was a competition where the designers used Maya, 3dsMax & Alias. What a crashfest.
IIRC, 3ds max has classes with methods called DeleteMe. And must be called by the user in standard usage scenarios of the SDK.
19:08
https://www.shadertoy.com/view/XtsSWs
Moar shader black magic
@Borgleader Neat, huh? I'd love to have time for stuff like that. :/
I'm just getting Unknown errors
10/10 best city
Procedural cities are a bit too regular, best sample for human touch is Google Earth. For our game, I actually had to write a tool to extract 3D data from it. And then the artists were going through the US cities to pick one. In the end, we picked Seattle. But it has curious buildings derived from Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston, etc.
It would've been nicer had Google Earth just allowed people to get models out of it. Or at least not broken compatibility with existing extractors. Nobody is ever going to use that in a game, it's just for reference/scale/scope. You pick one building and find its height and you've pretty much defined all other stuff.
^ An early extract of Boston, one of the proposed cities. Was considered too boring.
19:23
I'd be really curious to see how it feels to play a game that takes place in an almost exact replica of my city
Itd probably be cool, if a little unsettling
Some folks that played GTA V said it was pretty eerie at times, but games have a problem with city scope, usually. It's a really condensed, movie-like version of the city. It has all of the interesting and none of the boring.
I'm not sure if I'm understanding the problem correctly, but the backtick character is typically located on a key immediately to the left of the "1" key on most keyboards: i.stack.imgur.com/TOn1U.png. — David Young 20 mins ago
pffffhaha
Yeah otherwise you run into the problem that going anywhere becomes boring
@JerryCoffin I always found command-line stuff a whole lot easier to use than their GUI counterparts.
@Borgleader Hmm...
You'd have an unfair advantage!
19:27
@Nooble backticks treating you well I gather
> Redditor BlenderGuru took some snapshots around LA of some of his favorite spots around Los Santos.
That's right Blender guru :)
@LucDanton ?
@ElimGarak the only place I recognized was the Griffith Observatory :D
@Borgleader You can notice the lack of GI almost everywhere :D
Aww
No switch/case in Python. :<
> Are we not going to talk about how that dude back there landed that girl?
I found this even funnier ^
How to give Alex M. a heart attack
@Borgleader Give him infinite amounts of pizza?
I ain't needin no charity
takes free pizza and throws it on the ground
why would you ruin free pizza D:
oh right, becaue everything in romania is so cheap :P
@ThePhD The more I mature as a programmer, the less and less I use switch/case.
19:40
@Puppy I know, but when you just have one big thick beefy list of events and actions to take... well.
You kinda just want a switch/case.
then use a map/dictionary
Other option is making a map, but... that's so much seeetuuup.
it's a lot better in the long run
more extensible
Yeah, and extensible at runtime, but stilllll.
no horrible fallthrough semantics
no limitations on what types you can use
using a map means you can make the key type something actually useful.
19:42
@ThePhD Not really
q_q
Plus you can use convention-based dispatch
convention-based?
wat is that
@CatPlusPlus pls gib us knowledge ;~;
19:46
Uh dispatching based on convention not explicitly registered things? ideone.com/UOLfuA
Kinky.
I like it.
@CatPlusPlus That... looks like explicitly registering the thing, just in a very slightly different way.
Not... really? It can't be more implicit (the dispatcher and the receiver doesn't have to be the same thing)
not being able to be more implicit doesn't necessarily actually make it implicit.
19:51
Uh
the receiving object still has to explicitly define a method of the appropriate name and taking the appropriate type, and then implement that, one by one.
inserting a function into a dictionary that is a class def doesn't really seem any different to inserting a function into a dictionary that's just some random object.
Yes let's once again reduce the term to uselessness
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@Soniasuponia @bison_42 I didn't get it.
@elyse I'm pretty sure I've seen this talk in the past. Do you like it?
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Yes.
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20:01
I like how he wants to get rid of generics.
Why do you hate generics?
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I do not hate generics.
Oh.
@Nooble I’d accept any reason.
@LucDanton Hehe.
20:06
Annoying when players don't expose controls for playback speed
ok
I'm incredibly tempted to terminate this talk and write this guy off completely
apparently, all good designs are built out of patterns.
@Puppy which talk?
no unique thought at all, no problem specific stuff, just patterns whanged together
1 hour ago, by elyse
@fredoverflow http://www.infoq.com/presentations/data-types-issues
@ElimGarak You don't like Blender?
@ThePhD I don't like its workflow, but I think it's a nice initiative. (not my thing, but great for whoever it is :D )
20:12
@ElimGarak I've been thinking about getting 3DS Max.
@Nooble It's free for students. So is Maya. students.autodesk.com
And MotionBuilder and Mudbox and everything
Max has been kind of stagnating :/
We'll have to get commercial licenses for all the graphics shit
Expensive as fuck
> Comments are closed for this post.
Of course they are. We wouldn't want free speech up in this bitch.
I've heard good things of Luxology Modo.
20:17
Yeah, Modo is kewlish.
Modo?
but its also really expensive :(
@CatPlusPlus There was a time when Visual Studio licenses went for $12k.
Ultimate ones, Pro was around 1k
Adobe went to a subscription service. And uhm, Autodesk still sells its shit. I remember our license for 3ds max was $5k.
20:18
Fuck that subscription nonsense
@ElimGarak I hate subscription stuff.
Might as well get it less-than-legally.
Yar-har fiddly-dee, Adobe.
I wonder how circumvention looks like with CC
No, not "might as well" if you're actually planning on selling anything made with it
Especially not Nooble, US.
It's "just" 800€ or so per year per seat
Could be worse
20:21
Yeah, Zbrush is like $795. With cheaper upgrades. Free minor releases, cheaper upgrades.
@CatPlusPlus They'll never know!
Actually, how would they find out?
@Nooble A lot of Adobe tools leave a signature in the files, for one thing.
Also audits
Plus you admitted it publicly just now
At least folks can get VS for freeish nowadays. Same goes for Autodesk tools if they're studentish. Both for commercial use, as long as you don't hit the motherlode.
Yeah not having to buy a VS license is a great thing for starting out
20:24
There was an old rule under business spark or something that VS was free until you hit $1M. And completely free within "Dreamspark" or something.
Uuuuuuuuugh
Dreamspark is the academic program
Modo is €1.1K
@ThePhD That's pretty cheap compared to autodesk prices.
20:25
But it looks like it'd be great for me to learn it, and not that 3ds / Maya stuff.
@ElimGarak Yeah, but I can get anything AUtodesk for free as a student. And sell anything I make with it.
@ThePhD Yeap.
Whoa I can sell, too?
I'm gonna go download everything autodesk now.
We outsource a lot of our static stuff to others. Saves a lot of time.
Tony! <3
20:26
How do I prove that I'm a student or whatever?
How're you?
@ThePhD <3
@TonyTheLion veneing
@Nooble .edu account, usually
@Nooble School gives you access.
20:26
@ThePhD I'm good.
you?
I'm okay.
I'm trying to design a game right now.
Sounds fun
For my Python class.
Finishing my project 5 weeks early.
Python <3
Right? Python is so fun.
20:27
@ThePhD Good idea :)
@ThePhD I like Python.
Right now I'm trying to make a vertical concept for a running game.
> a vertical concept
what is that?
@Nooble Hi. :)
@TonyTheLion A vertical "version".
Running is usually horizontal.
I want something that goes up/down.
Innovation right there. :D
ah I see
20:29
how to innovate: std::swap(x, y)
Well, OBVIOUSLY I'd want to incorporate some other fun mechanics, geez.
no other mechanics allowed.
That's why I'm trying to think over it right now.
@TonyTheLion Hihihi.
@ElimGarak Appears as if they don't even check.
@Nooble Hows school?
20:32
Just give you a 3 year free license.
@TonyTheLion Too much work.
@Nooble Yea, well work is the same for me currently. and deadlines.
deadbeef
I wish it was beef
@CatPlusPlus Ever had an actual audit?
20:34
Same. Weird, though. You'd expect once in 4-5 years.
wow, just found out that some part of the bug I've trying to fix for the last two weeks actually worked on another machine than mine.
I guess yay me!
Yay tony!
This particular one has been hard. The main problem being I could get it to work quite easily on my box but then it would never work on any other machine.
On Friday then I finally realized what I was doing wrong, and made some progress.
owch, you've been trying to fix a single bug for two weeks?
20:36
What is this madness.
@Puppy On and off. I have done some other things in between.
But mainly that
:(
@Nooble Thats autocad
@Nooble nice
@Borgleader No I meant how it wants me to keep the window open.
20:38
hello everyone
@ElimGarak How many petabytes will this installation take up?
@RezaMansouri Hi.
@Nooble Which one?
I need some help
@ElimGarak 3DS Max 2016
@RezaMansouri Ok.
@RezaMansouri Then you should find someplace that offers it
20:39
Ahh 13.6GB.
It's not about programming :D
... and?
It's about webdev.
I have a huawei phone
@Nooble LOL Blender is like... 100 MB I think
20:40
and I need to get its unlock code
I want to change its rom
@Borgleader My SSD is going to kill itself.
so can any one please, register to huawei website using his mobile phone number then I will give him the information to get the code
@RezaMansouri I'm afraid we can't help you with that.
my country is not listed in the list
why?
20:41
it will just take 3 minutes
please!
I finished downloading.
@RezaMansouri no sorry
@RezaMansouri We will need your credit card number.
20:42
and you will give me no information except the code
And the CVC.
And expiry.
Shut up
Also it's a dumb request and nobody will do it
hth
Also, we need you to buy Cat Plus Plus a shitload of licences. Please, it will only take 3 minutes.
really? its me who is giving information not you guys!
Cat's making a game?
20:43
@RezaMansouri Because it's fucking stupid.
@Nooble Cat's a game.
@RezaMansouri Also, why are you here? Do we look like customer support?
I had no other place to go
Sep 23 at 19:55, by Columbo
By clicking "send" you agree to the terms and conditions.
please read the rules
hmmm
please abide by the rules
20:44
@RezaMansouri SSCCE or GTFO
or I will kick you out
No other place to go. That's gold.
ok, I will go
thank you for nothing :|
@ElimGarak So he is making a game!
"I really need bread, but the bakery's shut. Let's go to the nuclear submarine base instead"
8
20:45
lol
@RezaMansouri No problem man!
Tell 'em the koala helped you.
@RezaMansouri Tell all your friends about us.
@Nooble you had the koalifications?
@Puppy inb4 12897 stars.
@TonyTheLion Yes.
@CatPlusPlus ahahahah, i'll be buying that
hey cat
I have ambitious plan to get a build uploaded tomorrowish
how much did it cost to run that TC server you had a while back?
We want to launch EA or at least have everything submitted and ready by the end of the month
20:50
@Puppy Lets see if you can beat my 30 stars
Jan 30 at 2:30, by Borgleader
"Hi I have a question about my retirement fund"
"Sir this is a convenience store..."
"I know but it's the only thing open at this hour"
@Puppy 50€ish/month
@Borgleader lol
TC needs a lot of memory to run, so you probably can't go below 4GB
I might look into bringing a CI server back online for Wide.
now I am employed and have some moneys
20:52
Also, nice! We have twice the requirements for initial capital for LLCs in Croatia.
Twice wouldn't be that bad either
It was 50k in the past
Yeah, you're going to need that and more anyways, so it's not that bad.
Oh yes
We already need more :v
dat lava, such pretty graphics
Ah, that was done by Raven as well. They licensed Star Trek (Elite Force I & II), too. All of their games pretty much used variants of the Quake engine.
20:56
> The EX40 dedicated root server houses a high-performance Intel® Core i7-4770 .
hmm
well a CI server would sit unused most of the time, right? maybe it would be cheaper to get something cloud-based.
@Puppy Linode.
Or Digitalocean.
Maybe, the controller has to run 24/7 though
I still need to pay linode 0_o
You can offload actual builds
TC maaaybe would run with 2GB RAM but that's a stretch
20:58
@Nooble Well, isn't Linode pretty cheap?
Linode costs the same as DO these days
@ElimGarak $5.76 too much my friend.
And I don't have a stable source of "income".
sell your blood or something
huh
turns out that I ignored owing Amazon $22 from two years ago when I was totally destitute.

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