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9:00 PM
better pay up then
 
And now you owe them 2 million in interest?
 
You can owe Amazon?
 
apparently, yes.
 
@Borgleader Hope not.
 
@Borgleader Dunno, they didn't mention anything about interest. Maybe it's already included?
 
9:01 PM
Tough choices.
 
I pay Amazon the fortune of 2$ per month
 
@CatPlusPlus What actually is a DO?
 
DigitalOcean
 
Man these dual lightsaber dudes are brutal
 
Yeah, DigitalOcean is pretty great, although is their SSD pitch still a thing? I kind of take it for granted/expect it.
 
9:07 PM
It's still a thing, but lots of other companies are doing that too now
 
2 dual lightsaber dudes, how am i supposed to live :(
 
You need your own hardware for good I/O anyway
So that's like yeah whatever SSD who cares
 
these stars
 
linode and DO seem to offer very similar pricing.
 
Mirrored on the high volume ones. L64 is DO64 ($640)
 
9:09 PM
They're more or less the same
 
not sure if you pay for the whole thing all the time, or only when it's under load?
probably all the time.
 
For the entire time it's on
 
yep
 
You can keep offline images for cheaper
DO still doesn't charge for snapshots I don't think
Dunno about Linode
 
hm
Linode specifies that you pick a Linux distro, but DO specifies nothing about what OS the server runs
 
9:10 PM
DO bandwidth is pretty decent. tested a while ago and it was like 250 Mb/s up, and that was on the cheapest plan
 
DO has few Linux images, FreeBSD and some bundles
 
what the fuck is up with the stars
 
Star troll again
ffs
 
It's a great feature of snackchat
Very useful
 
netherwire is the most recent joiner in the list that is not a regular.
 
9:12 PM
Linode has like 2 or 3 distro images more
 
list of offered distros and "one click apps" offered on DO digitalocean.com/features/one-click-apps
 
hmm
would be nice if I could have a windoze build agent.
 
If you want to use Arch or Gentoo then it's either Linode or playing around with in-place installs on DO
 
@Puppy i shall look into this
 
Neither has Windows
 
9:12 PM
@Netherwire Hi. You can use your hands to talk.
 
not really gonna happen though I imagine
 
If you want Windows instances then it's either Azure or EC2
Or maybe Google Compute? Dunno probably not
 
Anyone miss me?
4
 
@sehe <3
 
The recorded livestreams of me treating this questions are available here: part #1 and part #2sehe 1 min ago
 
9:13 PM
> Google bills in minute-level increments (with a 10-minute minimum charge), so you don’t pay for unused computing time
that's interesting.
 
nanosecond granularity next up
 
DO doesn't round up to hours either
 
That awkward moment when you generously start to liove-code-review on LC.TV and the person asking mails you back saying he's totally blind... :):):):)
That just happened
 
I have a single DO instance that's just always-on.
I've left the server running on it for...
... well, it's been months now.
It's still up. Probably.
 
EC2 does, so if you have a build controller then you want to pack builds and not waste money on spinning instances down after 10 minutes
 
you cant belive what happened!
 
You got arrested?
 
I injected my country phone number in html
and registered
 
wow u must be sup3r hack3r
u r so cool
urverysmart
 
and it worked, I got the verification code on my phone
 
9:16 PM
cool as a cucumber
 
I still haven't figured out a good design for this.
 
no I'm just website designer :D
 
user3790646
@RezaMansouri cool :o
 
(he thinks Nooble is serious)
 
hmmm
Google Compute seems way more expensive than Linode/DO
 
9:18 PM
Yes
EC2 and Azure too
 
Also, @CatPlusPlus what "graphics shit" were you referring to before?
 
@ElimGarak JERK
 
Lol.
 
it's actually completely unclear to me how much Google Compute charges.
 
3DS Max, Adobe stuff, Quixel or something
 
9:18 PM
@sehe I slandered your good name for a quick thrill.
 
Ah, that stuff.
 
user3790646
My ex girlfriend just said she would like to stay interned in a mental hospital just like I did last year
 
@Puppy Yeah, there's the "Contact sales" button pretty much
@Andrey Fascinating, who are you again?
 
You don't need to contact sales no
 
@ElimGarak lel
 
9:20 PM
> #eu
> lists price in USD
Good job, Google
 
Hosted in EU, not priced in EUR
Two different things
 
Oh, right.
 
god that site is so slow
Fucking Material
 
9:22 PM
Windows instances are always more expensive
 
I've always wanted a Windows Server.
 
It's not worth it
 
But the premium they charge for setup, PLUS the additional monthly fee....
It's back-breaking.
 
It's harder to maintain too
 
hmm
seems that GCE could actually be cheaper than Linode/DO, it's just kinda hard to tell.
 
9:24 PM
For full month? Nah
 
their calculator suggests that if I just care about RAM and don't want the extra VCPUs, I could pay less.
 
Delicious pedantry. Just fixed someone's faux-latin pluralization:
 
they are $10 cheaper than Linode for my basic usage but 1 vcpu instead of 4
 
        std::vector<moduleStatus> moduleStatūs = {
            {"mod1", "file1.TXT", 0x0002},
            {"mod2", "file2.TXT", 0x0003}
        };
Compiles with clang++
 
I'd run the CI controller on DO/Linode for like 20$/mo and then spin off builds on huge EC2/Azure/GCE instances for another few bucks total
Full month usage on those things is usually a lot
 
9:26 PM
the GCE sustained usage discounts are a lot.
 
You need to include bandwidth and storage costs too
 
Well, that takes care of the python bit...
 
30% off total if you use the instance for the whole month.
@CatPlusPlus I added equivalent storage; don't know how much bandwidth I'd use so it's hard to know how much I'd pay for it
 
I'd mock on a higher level — sehe 19 secs ago
I'm afraid it's a case of Asio synchronous operations mocking the OP there
 
If you want to host build artefacts to be downloaded then start with 50+GB
Otherwise it'll probably be less than 10
You're not paying for it unless you use it so just pick some worst case estimate
 
9:33 PM
sure
I picked 100GB
and hey- $40/mo for GCE
 
Heh guess they're really trying hard to get people to pick them over EC2/Azure
 
@Puppy For 1 CPU and 4GB of RAM?
 
60GB of storage and 100GB data
 
it feels like nooble is talking about computer hardware 99% of the time
 
Linode/DO offers 4CPUs and 4TB data (others same) for the same price.
 
9:36 PM
Which instance is that
 
I had hoped I wouldn't feel any difference with the new mouse since it's the same model but the feet under it are not so worn off and it glides like crazy :<
it's like a new mouse anyway
 
for GCE?
hmm
oh no Linode actually offers a bit better.
Linode is 4gb, 4 cores, 96gb storage.
DO is 4gb, 2 cores, 60gb storage.
 
user1804599
@sehe awful
 
I'm about to download titanfall.
Ready to rek my SSD.
@AlexM. Hehe.
Hardware is fun.
 
I used to like hardware back when I was trying to get a new PC
 
9:41 PM
Oh nevermind, Titanfall is 54GB.
Not happening.
 
so not ready to rek your ssd?
 
Hmm I could install to my HDD though!
@Puppy Sadly not.
 
the one piece of hardware that raised my interest again was this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array
when I learned about it a couple of months ago
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, the TC hardware requirements page lists only 2 cpu and 3.2gb of RAM under Windows for a much heavier load than I'd actually need
 
@AlexM. I used one of those in uni for a course. Why does it interest you so much?
 
9:42 PM
@Puppy It starts around 2GB for the master alone
And you need some space for other stuff on the server too
 
@Borgleader I did not know about it until two months ago and it seemed alien
 
So I wouldn't go below 4GB
 
I also learned about RTOSes at the same time, I did not know about such things before
it was part of the training at work, IRL I don't have anything to do with the teams that work on FPGAs
all I know is they're all hardcore there
 
@ElimGarak Uh.
Where'd you find this.
@AlexM. These look great.
I wonder how much they cost...
 
9:50 PM
@Nooble It's Sarkeesian's newest handiwork.
 
@Nooble you can find less well equipped FPGAs for cheap but there's not a lot that they're worth applying to for the average guy
take a look at stores that sell arduinos & co. there's one in Romania that also sells an FPGA that is supposed to work with arduino stuff
ideally you want them when you have a highly parallelizable task that has to run again and again and again
e.g. image processing
 
@AlexM. i think you mean bitcoin :P
 
is that still a thing?
 
For some reason
 
probably
 
user1804599
9:53 PM
 
lel
 
@Borgleader Dogecoin is better.
 
user1804599
 
you don't need macros and impls to set that up
 
@elyse old fashioned sfinae?
 
user1804599
9:59 PM
Macros.
 
user1804599
Instead of writing the same boilerplate over and over and over again.
 
Hey, @Andy & @wilx: I'll be in Prague 11-14th December.
 
user1804599
cool __if_exists
 
user1804599
@sehe livestream
 
@Nooble This is so 2007
 
10:07 PM
^ Gold.
Ahahah, the amount of global state is staggering.
 
I'm more concerned about the misaligned backslashes
 
user3790646
Right!
 
user3790646
OCD
 
user3790646
I do also have OCD, @набиячлевэлиь
 
10:10 PM
also the macro code has terrible indentation
 
(Elite Force II game source code)
 
user3790646
Wow
 
user3790646
Managing getters and setters when there are tons of fucking private member variables is so fucking hard
 
user3790646
oh cool now I know how to type with italic
 
@Andrey @набиячлевэлиь
@Andrey That's what you get for worthlessly fucking correcting yourself.
 
10:13 PM
qboolean Player::checkweaponreadytofire( Conditional &condition )
 
owch
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Including the 14th? I'm not sure if I can take days off, need to check how many I spare. If you're there on the 14th anyway I will certainly come for a meetup. Btw I should be in Berlin just a few days before that for Meeting C++
 
@набиячлевэлиь Never mind.
 
@Nooble Urghhhhh
 
10:17 PM
You usually lynch people for using setters and getters.
 
Yes
Y u not on Mumblel @Noob?
Guess you never got gud after all... :P
 
@набиячлевэлиь Yes I am.
 
@Nooble Lies, lies, I say!
 
if (ev->NumArgs() < 2) // this shouldn't happen, but there are assets that do it
Reading through it is really fun. Especially the commented out sections that span thousands of lines.
 
please stop posting it here
 
user1804599
 
my precious brain
 
@ʞɔᴉN Yo.
You should start a bottled water company.
But all the water comes from where you live and is marketed as "rare".
 
@ElimGarak Please don't stop posting it here
 
I'll post the really bad ones only. To reduce volume.
 
hmm
if I had to go and live with my sister, I would shave at least one year, maybe two, off my time to buy.
 
10:22 PM
@ElimGarak inb4 "there would still be a ton"
 
@Nooble There was a thing here called "vodka", and in smaller text "without alcohol"
 
@Puppy Buy? Condo? House?
 
house
wtf even is a condo
 
@Borgleader Each source file has about 1-2k lines consisting entirely of global state.
 
@Puppy condominium: a building or complex of buildings containing a number of individually owned apartments or houses.
 
10:24 PM
so just a block of flats
 
@ElimGarak are you trying to make me cry? T_T
yeah i guess
 
If you look to your right, you will see some singletons...
damage = GameplayManager::getTheGameplayManager()->calculate("OffensiveDamage", fd);
 
lol
I love how the method name has The in it.
it's not even the traditional getInstance().
 
user1804599
lol
 
and the random string argument...
 
10:27 PM
i dislike variables names like that as well, IIRC the llvm kaleidoscope tutorial had some of those
 
It is sometimes all caps, sometimes none... Etc.
 
like... llvm::Engine TheEngine;
or wtv it was
 
Wide source code is like that and I like it.
it shows that the programmer doesn't obsess over pointless things.
 
What is Wide written in?
 
Narrow
 
C++
 
Wide is named after your mom right?
13
 
@Borgleader Ah.
 
@JohanLarsson Yes.
 
:O That fix might be due to my bug report
I'll wait for a nightly build rather than go through the nightmare of building this
(I like that sentence)
 
user3790646
10:35 PM
void Icon::setSize(Vector2D * v)
{
this->setSize(v->x, v->y);
}
 
user3790646
is this good design?
 
user3790646
why not?
 
At least use a reference, and make that shit const
or pass it by value
 
user3790646
isn't pass by value and use a reference the same?
6
 
10:36 PM
Alright, guess the number of warnings generated during compilation.
 
@Andrey no
 
@Borgleader void setSize() const
 
@Nooble i meant const Vector2D& v obv
 
Haha I know :)
@ElimGarak 2,147?
 
@ElimGarak 42
 
10:38 PM
@Nooble Ahahah, 2124. Close. :D
 
@ElimGarak Wooooo.
 
@elyse yes. That's precisely what you missed there
 
user3790646
Wow, that's a bit of source code on your warning
 
@Andrey wat
 
user3790646
10:43 PM
@Nooble brazillians are going to understand
 
@Andrey There's like no source on the warning.
Also, Brazillians are at it again @ʞɔᴉN.
 
Is Sean Parent's talk worth watching?
 
user3790646
@Nooble It was supposed to be a joke
 
@Andrey Yeah, so was my message.
Koalas are going to understand.
 
user3790646
@Nooble like when you see someone with tons of pimples and you think "that's a bit of face you got on your pimple"
 
10:46 PM
Oh I see.
 
I think I'll zero out the memory which was inhabited by that thing. Holy shit.
 
@Andrey Did you fix your code.
I'm interested...
 
user3790646
@Nooble Yes, I'm fixing it :)
 
I might unfollow Atwood on twitter. He,s on an iPhone 6S is awesome ermagherd, rampage =/
 
user3790646
I think that by what I meant when I send the code, it's not a bad design, if you send these values to a "super" method that does the "processing" of the values or do some other things with it
 
10:50 PM
^ Pretty hardcore stuff
Didn't know things were so bad there.
 
@Borgleader So is everyone in my facebook feed.
When a new GPU comes out I'll get my revenge.
 
@Borgleader Why'd you follow him in the first place
 
It's a solid phone, but Apple is so full of shit when they talk about it. It's not your ticket to heaven, ffs. It does calls, messages, it plays some games... It's a phone.
 
user3790646
Martin Lutero agrees this is not your ticket to heaven. Yo.
 
@Nooble I'm being spared this time. Either that or I unfollowed everyone who was annoying that time the white iPhone came out. They already had iPhones but holy shit they had to have this white one
 
10:56 PM
@Borgleader Sure.
 
Have you guys ever had a period of time in which you hated or preferred not to write code (presumably before work)?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Everyday?
 
user3790646
@Nooble are you kitten me? I love writing code!
 
@ElimGarak What build system does it use?
urgh badrespond
 
@Nooble Seriously?
 
10:59 PM
@Nooble s/^/Smoke weed /
 

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