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9:00 AM
I started making my own MC clone thing (it wasn't meant to be a clone, but it got pulled in)... I should put some more time back into that
 
Yup, the first time it was a mess of too many voices. At the beginning, there must be direction. When momentum is achieved, diverging voices can't do much to steer it away, so they become productive members of society. But the ideas were really good.
 
@MarkGarcia @sehe is pitch perfect.
 
@ElimGarak I think a lot of people wanted to help, but so many that there was not enough that could be done easily, so people got bored waiting
 
@ElimGarak you have good memory
 
9:03 AM
-ish.
 
20 odd people is a lot to dive into a project.
 
how many people are actively working on the project though?
 
You can see I miss clicked once. The UI is not very good
 
Yup. Nice.
 
9:04 AM
@sehe drops jaw
 
I plucked some strings for him on Mumble, got everything right.
 
Gee. I didn't even remember that.
 
so ... did it happen?
 
I have a pretty strong memory, but that also has its faults. I remember embarrassing shit way too strongly, from my childhood. I can recollect Mumble conversations to quote-precision.
That creates social anxiety for me, I don't forget when I do other people wrong or they me. No matter how far in the past.
But I got the good bits mostly, I've heard of people who cannot dampen anything, to a point of hospitalization.
 
@orlp omg.
Amazing song that came out of GTA V (OST)
 
I'm a bit lost, I've install ycm and compiled the required stuff (using the provided python script). Now how can I set it up in my vimrc?
 
@nabijaczleweli There's no set up for the omnifunc or smth to do?
 
Gimme a minute and I'll test it
 
9:21 AM
@Rerito nope
 
0
Q: A_width = options.get<unsigned>("aw")

fadooengineerI want to understand meaning of this line of C++ program. A_width = options.get<unsigned>("aw") how the value is passed?

shittiest question ever
oh can you explain this line too
params.cd_file = maybe_strip(&arg[4]);
 
@Mr.kbok Sorry. I don't even sweat this:
0
A: A_width = options.get<unsigned>("aw")

seheIt gets the value of option "aw", converting it to an unsigned (>=) integer value in the process. If it fails, it will probably throw

It's a pretty unhelpful question, so downvote away, but it's not hard to answer.
@Mr.kbok Wait did he edit?
 
>=?
 
@Mr.kbok ah, fixed
 
oh, k
with griwes' vote and mine your answer is still at zero
 
9:27 AM
Surprise. I voted to close (unclear)
 
> How to be a grown up at work: replace "Fuck you" with "OK, great"
lol
 
In the end I must manually edit the extra conf file? How do you do handle this for your projects? (I'm sure there's an automated way to "edit" the include options :p )
 
god even copying files is fuck slow with cmake
it's like a parallel world where everything is crap
 
poor you, having to deal with cmake
@Mr.kbok Sturgeon's Law
 
:(
 
9:29 AM
applies to everything
 
@Rerito I put lotsa garbage in the distro one.
 
@Mr.kbok sounds like you're using windows, really
 
Every include path possible etc.
 
How does one delete a package without deleting the packages depending thereupon?
 
@TonyTheLion Oh, cool
This applies to everything indeed
 
9:35 AM
Gosh it's a pure mess
The build system uses raw Makefiles that launch CMake stuff
And there are so many include path I'll go batshit crazy
 
someone submitted 6000 jobs with max priority and is blocking everyone. asshole
 
How can I list include directories using cmake CLI?
 
Do the Python thing and expand a whole tree or something.
note: I would never do that
 
I guess the -I options in the extra conf file should always be absolute paths
ycm is great but my project is such a mess it's a nightmare to set it up
 
@Rerito Just add them as you are missing completions
Lean and mean
Be frugal
You will find YCM helpful even with incomplete includes
 
9:46 AM
WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN
 
Do the Python shuffle.
 
also I figured the chinese IME enables on ctrl+space which is a ~brilliant~ idea
 
what's IME?
I have to work on the project's architecture with a guy who sounds completely clueless
 
@MaiLongdong Indeed it is. All these keyboard shortcuts need to die.
 
@Mr.kbok Input Method Editor
 
9:48 AM
On windows, isn't there a keyboard region switch on LeftAlt+LeftShift?
 
I think he's not entirely so, but still isn't able to words
 
佛日恶性阿曼排了谈话isis我哈他哈批盆特色污痕I
 
That's rubbish because I hit that 10 times a minute. And when I have a thinking pause, it will trigger
 
fuck
 
@sehe yes
i use it qll the ti,e
 
9:49 AM
hqhq tqvu
 
@MaiLongdong Type-erasure.
 
ycm doesn't find an include file though I hardcoded the path to the include dir in the py conf
I'll see that later, g2g
 
@sehe It's just that he sounds clueless, like those newbs who drop on the chan
 
@Rerito IIRC you can ask for the options or command and then try that yourself to see what the compiler says.
 
9:51 AM
he says interface when he means format
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh.
 
@Mr.kbok It's hard to tune it out and look beyond it, yes
 
@MaiLongdong It's essentially a de-optimized std::function.
 
@Mr.kbok that's a stretch
 
he says format when he means referential
 
9:52 AM
std::function is problematic because it has SBO, and that is an additional confounding factor.
 
@Mr.kbok I can't imagine
 
@LucDanton COŚ TY DO MNIE, KURWA, POWIEDZIAŁ?!
 
Con: The Founding Factors
 
he says service when he means assembly!!!
T.T
 
So I wrote one without SBO, so that it has more predictable performance. I want the measurement code to interfere as little as possible.
 
9:54 AM
SBO interferes that much?
 
@nabijaczleweli That’s not my particular brand. Really, it’s just that and 'mer il est fou'.
 
@MaiLongdong There's a big difference between no allocation and allocation.
So you introduce slightly different behaviour when SBO kicks in compared to when it doesn't.
 
Ah, got it. You care more about the predictability than the perf.
 
Right.
systemd is my new worst enemy.
 
@nabijaczleweli lol
 
10:00 AM
Let's bet on U.S. fed's next move on the interest rate, will it raise the official interest rate before December? Yes/No?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why?
 
system'd
 
@chmod711telkitty No?
 
$ du -h -d 1
190M    ./YouCompleteMe
 
But the U.S. fed has been talking about it for a whole year!
 
10:06 AM
I knew there was a reason I didn't install ycm before
 
Yes but the chinese crisis has been driving the bond prices up
 
so the market is betting on the official interest rate to go down or at least stay the same in the long run?
but there is no where to do, their official interest rate is at 0.25%
 
Not betting, it's adjusting for the rates lowering due to bonds gaining in value
 
everyone here says "no" (except for those who say "yes")
 
10:10 AM
@Mr.kbok lol, discussing finance with our local expert.
 
dat .gitignore
 
finance is awesome, share price can only go up or down, but still a lot of people got it wrong
 
But realistic, last time we tried supporting radios in cars, too.
 
50% of them
 
@MaiLongdong It's auto, I think. Will be obliterated.
 
10:11 AM
> What makes Kyrostat not shit?
 
> We're not Russian.
lolwut
@Griwes Not existing.
haha, so funny
 
I think someone asked if we were Russians when "kyrostat" was mentioned.
 
@Griwes I don't like it, and it's starting to be trouble too often.
@ElimGarak Are you Chinese?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Naw.
 
Well. All the contact I had so far boils down to writing a trivial .service file.
For that it's absolutely awesome.
At least so far. :P
 
10:14 AM
And on top of it, the people behind it are dicks.
 
hah
 
Being a dick and behind has penetrative opportunities. Also, unexpected butt secks.
3
 
And they're also morons in technical aspects.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
> systemd is not a product.
lol
 
10:21 AM
The report is by someone at Google, btw.
 
People here are all aiming to fulfill the room's description.
 
I.e. it is essentially "our servers are not meant for you to use; stop using them", and the response is essentially "we don't care".
 
@chmod711telkitty a lot of people anticipated sideways motion of the price?
 
> Both timeX.google.com and systemd are both non-products, therefore, there's no problem here. Right?
haha
 
Aaah.
 
10:24 AM
@sehe If I had a cat & a dog & I had them for a while, the chance of me guess which one would come home for dinner first & got it right would be much higher than 50%
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes makes sense
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes can't fault that non-logic
 
hmm. I should probably turn my silly cronjob setting the ssh tunnel up into a proper service one of these days
 
10:48 AM
2
wat.
 
talk dirty to me
> The primary awesome generation mechanism is the 3D-ification of the RTS genre enabled by an unpatented plane-switching-and-orientation concept where a click is not z-ambiguous.
 
I need cronjob for home applicants - like turning the heater/air conditioner on 30 minutes before I get up, then the coffee machine on 20 minutes after that.
 
fuck bad internet reversed the messages' relative ordering
 
@Lalaland That's a very huge assumption
 
11:06 AM
 
/facepalm
 
lounge is there gravity on mars
 
It's about 38% of Earth's gravitational acceleration.
 
what about the moon, does the moon have gravity
 
No, it had gravity, but then couldn't pay the bills to keep it on.
 
11:08 AM
the moon is a lame planet
 
'Lame planet' is slang for 'moon'.
 
What does gravity depend on?
How is pointar gravity formed
 
Serious question or?
 
11:12 AM
mass
junk in yo' trunk
dont you remember F = G*m1*m2/d^2
 
But doesn't mass depend on gravity?
 
thats weight
 
What do you measure weight in?
Kgs?
 
in lbs
 
In the SI you measure weight in lbs?
 
11:14 AM
no kilograms
 
Ok, how do you measure mass in?
 
Mass basically represents an object's intrinsic inertia, it's a concept as old as (classical) physics. It is separate from weight, which is basically the force acting on an object in a gravitational field. Gravity is a contested theory right now, especially in quantum mechanics.
Some theories just deal with what is observed, rather than what causes gravity. Mass objects (and by the mass energy equivalence energy) generate curvature of spacetime. That curvature, in the simplest terms, is a representation of gravity.
 
So it's uncertain where gravity comes from?
 
It is certain that mass generates it. How it does it, is not. The Higgs boson has recently been discovered with a pretty high sigma (5sigma) certainty. But its aspects are yet to be analyzed, confirmed etc.
 
I think that it's love
 
11:17 AM
planets can't love
 
Love between atoms attracts them
 
Any of you math nerds can explain to me the idea behind Singular Value Decomposition?
 
For big objects, we have GR to explain gravity, how it works and how to quantify it. On the quantum level, there's quite a bit of theories. Contested theories which are far from reconciled with relativistic mechanics (of which classical mechanics are a special case)
 
@Prismatic how do you explain gravity then
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Mass = Density x Volume
 
11:19 AM
@TonyTheLion hey I vaguely remember that
 
and is measured in kg
 
something about triangles in the matrix
 
I really don't understand, ycm won't find my header though I got the correct '-I/path/to/include/dir' option set up in the flag list
 
@TonyTheLion That would take a while. :/
 
@ElimGarak So its as hard as I think it is?
 
11:19 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes who is?
 
@Prismatic something like that
 
Is there a theory for how pointar are formed in classic physics?
 
@TonyTheLion Yes, and also depends of a lot of other linear algebra concepts. Given that I don't have access to your head, there are multiple "backstories" necessary and a huge amount of possible explanations that would click.
Otherwise, only confusion can be augmented.
 
> depends of a lot of other linear algebra concepts
yea trying to understand it me got me to places I've never been
 
@Mr.kbok iunno planets are lame
 
11:21 AM
@ElimGarak what's the obsidian order
 
@Mr.kbok It was a Cardassian secret police & intelligence agency during the 23rd and 24th century, like Section 31 of the United Federation of Planets.
 
okay
 
The Romulans had the Tal Shiar. And the Vulcans didn't have shit.
 
Apparently Star Trek director knew that Kardashians would be a thing.
 
I never got the appeal of star trek
 
11:24 AM
I think it's a good idea to have lounge projects but kyrostat is much too ambitious considering past successes and failures
 
whats kyrostat
 
@Mr.kbok It doesn't exist yet, I'll bring the prototype to life and then it will be easier for folks to get in. For now, simply ignore it. :Đ
 
I remember hate and lundi/luna being quite successful as lounge-ish projects
jams and marmalades too
 
It will take at least a month, work and stuff. Preferable estimate is 2.
 
Do you know DirectX, networking, and graphics?
 
11:26 AM
@Mr.kbok Well, I should hope so given that I've been nominated for a DirectX MVP award along with Andrew Lauritzen of Intel.
 
> where a click is not z-ambiguous.
what does that even mean?
 
when you click you are sure at what height you click (I think)
 
@TonyTheLion When you click, projecting a click looks for the first intersection... In space, there is a lot of empty space.
 
anyone care to explain to me what the Fourier-Legendre Series represent?
 
ah ok
 
11:28 AM
So, when you have a plane defining the movement of a ship in 3D, an intersection has a very defined go-to place :Đ
 
@ElimGarak How do you become MVP? Is it a blog?
 
@Mr.kbok I was very much involved during DirectX 12's development, Microsoft had an early access for studios and researchers.
Met some really cool people, got a chance to use DX12 early and stuff.
 
@Mr.kbok I'm rap's MVP!
 
@Rerito wat
 
50 cent lyrics
 
11:30 AM
@ElimGarak Cool, the revival is in good hands then :)
I'm actually curious to see real DirectX code, not shitty tutorials
 
All the way back in mid 2014, but posted this year.
Man, what would I do for a license to do a Star Trek game. Doesn't even need the Star Trek name, just rights to use the universe.
 
@ElimGarak You did the scene?
 
@Mr.kbok And the engine. Fuck the scene, the engine is the star. :D
 
I'm not much engine-knowledgeable so I don't what's special about the shots
 
Basically, it is physically based, supports analytical area lights of varying shapes, diffuse global illumination (also glossy, but demanding), doesn't need precomputation (except for scene probes, but those last a few ms), natural depth of field, bokeh rendering and shit.
 
11:37 AM
scene is the GUI, engine is the logic behind it
 
Also, multi-kernel bloom for those the glare/bloom from the lights.
 
@ElimGarak I noticed the bokeh. How does that work? What's natural depth of field?
 
@Mr.kbok A trick with DoF is to not do physical calculations, physics don't work everywhere. So it has a pretty involved layering system which represents in focus, far fields and near ones (along with internal semis) and enables various bleeding and interpolation effects visible in actual photographs which are lost in a naive physical implementation. And given the various fields, it is appropriately convolved with a variable size Gaussian kernel (or you can use a box one, too).
Bokeh is done by splatting on bright points a predefined sprite after a high pass and postprocessing, but that's a gross oversimplifications. The details are rather technical. Unless you're interested in a wall of text, that is :Đ
 
well you already lost me at the gaussian kernel so :)
 
Intrinsically, bokeh and DoF are intertwined. A single phenomenon, but expensive to do. Decoupling helps. And even after decoupling, we had to introduce separable gaussians. And even still, big kernel sizes destroy performance.
In a nutshell. It can create pretty cool scenes with fire.
Actually, I think I've done some tests with fire, I use the third kind of bokeh (dampened center), but you could use a heart if you felt so inclined.
 
11:48 AM
lol
 
the first game I made
 
was so retarded
 
@chmod711telkitty it kinda looks like shit sorry
 
I know, but I have never made games before & I have never written apps before
 
11:49 AM
Of course it had a fat woman in it
What was I expecting
 
Oo, look that those pretty trees
 
@ElimGarak the fire looks real good, but still not like a real fire
I don't think I ever saw a realistic one in a game
@chmod711telkitty where's the graphics from?
 
@Mr.kbok Yeah, we're still pretty far away on many fronts. It's all about faking it. I like the "good gamey look" most. True photorealism will come in 2020s, given the progression of GPUs. Right now, we can't even do low res full GI with satisfying speed.
 
consider I made it with no previous knowledge of anything, it's not too embarrassing ... so I hope
@Mr.kbok I made them
 
That upstairs was my attempts at actually trying to see whether multiple particle emitters could be used to create a large fire. Key is seeding them differently so that patterns do not emerge. Right now, I'm working on volumetric clouds.
 
11:55 AM
The patterns are realistic indeed, but the sprite gives it away :)
 
And the equations I'm coming up with and data structure expenses... Doesn't bode well, right now tbh. I could realistically fake it procedurally from the ground by doing it in image space, but that would work only for RDR/GTA type games.
In GTA you can fly, so they actually applied a layered fractal on a plane somewhere above the city, really obvious from the air.
 
wtf
 
Can't onebox. Damn.
 
bullshit
 

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