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12:00 PM
> For the same conditions a fighter aircraft might require considerably more power due to their wings being inefficient at low speeds, for argument's sake it might require 10,000 hp (7.5 MW). However modern jet engines can provide considerable power, the equivalent of 50,000 hp (37 MW) typically. With this amount of extra power the aircraft can achieve very high maximum rate of climb, even climb straight up, make powerful continual maneuvers, or fly at very high speeds.
 
Yes well police is not going to arrest you
So you technically can
 
lol, and a Cessna-150 has 100hp engine
 
@AndyProwl Verbing can be applied to nouns, like 'verb'.
 
Noun some verbed adjectives
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but not to all nouns, like "everything"
 
12:01 PM
And, regardless of whether verbing is allowed in English or not, the verb "to verb" is the English verb for describing the process of verbing.
Being allowed in English has no bearing on whether there is an English word to describe it.
 
I everythinged that plate of food just now
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right, I got that
But it still seems to me that when it's legal to make a verb out of a noun, the dictionary mentions this
 
@AndyProwl 'everything' is not a noun.
 
> compared them against online algorithms running locally
 
Ell
I'm always nervous doing anything with symbolic links
 
12:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes All right, sorry, take "thing" then
 
Thingify it
 
That's a different word
 
@AndyProwl Adding -ify is just another verbing process.
@AndyProwl But I can totally make a scenario where you can verb 'thing'.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok, I believe you
 
12:06 PM
It's just a question of how useful and expressive that'd be, IMO.
 
expressify it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So basically in English you can take any noun and use it as a verb and still call it correct English?
 
@AndyProwl They list the ones in common use. They end up there because someone verbed them and others picked up on it.
 
I'm gonna apple you all
banana would have sounded better
 
Ell
I'm gonna bone-ana you all
 
The International Journal of Advanced Computer Technology is a scientific journal which has been described as a predatory open access journal – a publication which has some of the surface attributes of a benign open access journal but is actually an exploitative and deceptive corruption of that model, operating as a disreputable vanity press with little scholarly value. == "Get me off Your Fucking Mailing List" == In 2005, two scientists, David Mazières and Eddie Kohler, wrote a paper titled "Get me off Your Fucking Mailing List" and submitted it to WMSCI 2005 (the 9th World Multiconference on...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That doesn't say you can verb any noun though
 
Also possibly relevant, my favourite poem: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky
Is Jabberwocky an English poem?
 
> The paper was not actually published as Vamplew declined to pay the required $150 article processing fee
huge missed opportunity
I've always wondered what people actually do at these scam conferences
 
12:16 PM
> He took his vorpal sword in hand!
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think so
 
I love the Polish translation of vorpal
 
Google Translate detects it as German
 
@Ell How come?
@AndyProwl Btw, also relevant: GEB :D
 
And the translation in pretty much all Latin languages is Vorpal, except for Latin, which is Vorpali
 
12:18 PM
@AndyProwl Here's the German 'translation': www76.pair.com/keithlim/jabberwocky/translations/german1.html
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes cos lewis carroll was english
 
@Ell I'm Portuguese. So what?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes so if you wrote a poem in portuguese it'd be a portugeuese poem
 
@Ell So you're claiming that Jabberwocky is written in English?
 
Ell
and lewis carroll is english and wrote the poem in english
 
12:19 PM
With non-English words.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes :P
 
@MarcoA. lol
 
Ell
There is a lot of english in it
 
> Vorpal: Carroll said he could not explain this word, though it has been noted that it can be formed by taking letters alternately from "verbal" and "gospel"
in JavaScript, 1 min ago, by aioobe
yeah, I wrote it..
BTW ^ there's the guy who wrote StackRating
 
@Ell And a lot of not-English too!
 
12:22 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Now I feel like finding existing words that can be obtained by other existing words in this way
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess vOv
 
In fact, the only English words in the first stanza are merely 'structural', so to speak.
The ones conveying the brunt of the meaning are not English.
> 'Twas something, and the something somethings
Did something and something in the something;
All something were the somethings,
And the something somethings did something.
 
somethinged
 
> Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
> The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
> Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
> The frumious Bandersnatch!
It's quite clearly English, even if a bunch of the nouns are invented
okay and a few adjectives
> Hora aderat briligi. Nunc et Slythia Tova
> Plurima gyrabant gymbolitare vabo;
> Et Borogovorum mimzebant undique formae,
> Momiferique omnes exgrabure Rathi.
lulz
 
Ell
what is Jubjub there?
is it a proper noun?
 
12:27 PM
Yeah.
 
Jubjubbascript
 
Juju
 
Do you guys agree with this ?
 
Well, my overall point is that 'correct English' is overrated and whether some construction carries some actual meaning is not a strong requirement for it. English can be used to express nonsense.
 
Yep, got that
 
12:34 PM
English is predominantly used to express nonsense.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Funny, twenty minutes ago you seemed to be suggesting the opposite.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Especially in the tag
 
@khajvah Markdown fail
 
@khajvah If you write some performance-sensitive code first in C and then in C++ and it takes a significantly different amount of time to run I wouldn't really take your analysis on language performance very seriously
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, that is one way of rating an article
 
OP seems to underestimate the optimisation ability of modern compilers, though the article is 9 years old
 
Ell
12:37 PM
tbf I think they have a point about pointers tho
 
his argument is that the compiler can't optimize pointer based arrays
 
From the comments:
> I used to be a C/C++ purist, but I got over it.
*ugh*
 
Why? Aren't you a c/c++ purist too?
 
:(
OP's argument has merit but he massively overstates it. As evidenced by this comment of his:
> int x[1000] in C or C++ doesn’t have much meaning. It’s semantically equivalent to declaring “x” as int *x. You can reassign X any time you want, to make it point to a different location.
 
> * C: 0.8 seconds.
> * C++: 2.3 seconds.
I'd be curious to see that code
 
12:39 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol, he clearly doesn't know either of the two languages.
 
I don't understand why he wouldn't post the code. Benchmarks without open code are pointless
 
> About a year later, testing a new JIT for Java, the Java time was down to 0.7 seconds to run the code, plus about 1 second for the JVM to start up.
 
He clearly gets a bit distressed by the time of comment #151:
> For goodness sakes, read the original fucking post.
 
@AndyProwl to be fair the start up may not be important relative to how many times the algorithm in question is run or how large the true dataset is
 
12:43 PM
> Fourth – the way that I got involved in the project was by being on the team that implemented a C++ compiler. So I do know a thing or two about how to write good C code.
 
@Prismatic What makes me suspicious is that the Java version is (3 times, if you exclude startup) faster than the C++ version
There must be some serious C++ fuckup in there
 
That's like saying Puppy is a C++ expert because he wrote Wide.
 
@AndyProwl sleep(1)
 
12:44 PM
@khajvah that, in a loop
 
@AndyProwl inb4 vector no reserve
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It might even be passing by value
 
yeah I was thinking of unnecessary heap allocations
 
Shame the comments are closed
 
@MarcoA. lol @ figure 1
 
12:45 PM
I should get some lunch.
 
References
[1] Editor J. Klensin. Simple mail transfer protocol.
RFC 2821, AT&T Laboratories, April
2001.
[2] Editor P. Resnick. Internet message format.
RFC 2822, QUALCOMM Incorporated,
April 2001.
lol
 
gamedev.net seems like a pretty fly place
I dont like forums but theres a lot of good content posted there
 
what is this, international troll week?
 
> Are you named Al? Are you named Ky? If you're got a Microsoft Exchange Unified Messaging system that's reading your name out of Active Directory then in it's automated messages you'll hear "please leave a message for Alabama [lastname]" or "please leave a message for Kentucky [lastname]." I have yet to determine if this can be turned off.
lol
 
Do you guys know any good resources on x86 assembly?
 
12:52 PM
I can tell a manager has finally worked out how to use Jira, we are being asked to 'closed' issues that in some other state like 'resolved'.
 
> lea (BuildingsLUT), a0
> Z:\HOME\SIK\MD\GAME\CORRIDOR\MAIN.68K(127) : Error : Symbol 'buildingslut' not defined
 
@Prismatic Clbuttic error.
@khajvah www.google.com
@thecoshman Good. He's doing it right and helping you towards also doing it right.
 
Less than 6 months and I hate Spark and Hadoop and everything related
 
Cat you hate everything
 
@CatPlusPlus surprised it took you that long
 
12:55 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sigh
 
@khajvah My thoughts exactly.
 
Less than three decades and I hate Spark and Hadoop and everything related.
 
Why are Java servers always a mess of shitty shell scripts setting arcane environment variables
Why can't this be properly documented
Why is spark-submit protocol not documented
And of course only Debian packages are outdated like shit
Ugh
 
@CatPlusPlus because stable
 
They're not from Debian itself
 
1:01 PM
> The first few weeks of any job are just figuring out how a program works even if you're familiar with every single language, framework, and standard that's involved, because standards are unicorns.
 
Also 8 just released
I'M NAMING CLUSTER "DISCO" AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME
 
>not naming things after cool greek gods so everyone thinks you're extra cool
 
It's for service discovery
 
Is sys admin-ing fun
 
I name boxes after Valar and storage volumes after Maiar.
 
1:05 PM
Hobby one, maybe
It was called "consul" because it's running Consul, but I need to run ZooKeeper for Spark/Mesos so
 
Xeo
> error : In SaveGame: Static arrays of dynamic arrays are not allowed
> TArray<uint8> logicSaves[SlotCount];
well fuck you, Unreal Engine.
 
Yay for hardcoded service discovery things
 
@Xeo lol
 
Xeo
Stupid header tool telling me I'm not allowed to do that. I am, however, allowed to make it an FString or similar
ffs
 
1:09 PM
wtb actually good game engine
> ./cluster up disco
*** Chosen machines: disco02, disco01, disco03
idk why it's so funny
Probably because I'm insane
 
@CatPlusPlus oh oh oh
 
No not in Haskell
 
Ell
cat it sounds like you work with random enterprise things all the time
what is your job description?
 
ITT Cot giving Bratik an orgasm
 
1:11 PM
@CatPlusPlus noob
 
Devwhateveropsmaybewhoknows
 
hahaha he's a devops
hahahahha
 
Devops is not and should not be a job description :/
 
ooohoohohohoh
hihihihihihih
 
:gb2haskell:
 
1:12 PM
what's gb2
 
the fuck is going on here
 
@Ell idk what's enterprise
 
Xeo
ahahahahaha
USTRUCT()
struct FLogicSave
{
    GENERATED_USTRUCT_BODY()
    TArray<uint8> data;
};

    FLogicSave logicSaves[SlotCount];
get fucked, UE4
 
do U even STRUCT mate
 
1:13 PM
Unity's problems are making me sad
 
Xeo
it accepts that code
it's like C-style arrays
 
except worse?
 
Xeo
fucking Unreal Header Tool
That thing can go die in a corner
 
@Xeo it's so bad it's unreal?
 
Ell
USTRUCT(); ISTRUCT(); WEALLSTRUCT4ICESTRUCT();
 
1:14 PM
Well it said static arrays of dynamic arrays, not static arrays of objects containing dynamic arrays
 
@Xeo whats wrong with that
 
It's not C#
 
why dont you just marry C#
 
well logicSaves[i].data(j) looks better than logicSaves[i](j)
 
Xeo
@Prismatic Nothing, that's the version it accepts.
 
1:16 PM
wow, it's amazing how complicated code for fairly simple functionality can become if you try hard enough
 
hi guys !
 
hola
 
just spent 90 minutes figuring out the logic for determining which screen to place a window on
 
Ell
By some window manager?
 
in Haskell, 2 mins ago, by Alex M.
brb writing down Haskell on my CV
FTR
 
Xeo
1:19 PM
poor Alex
 
ʜᴀsᴋᴇʟʟ ɪs ᴅᴜᴍʙ
 
he's one of us now
 
Anyway I'm bored
I just started working on this thing and my brain is trying to escape already
 
SMALL CAPS IS COOL
 
Small caps is a medium cruise control ?
 
1:21 PM
@Ell kind of. By our launcher process which also acts as a minimal window manager.
 
Hi 2002 called
 
but the logic it actually implements is ridiculously simple. I could pretty much describe it in 8 lines of pseudocode
 
Ell
How come it took 90 minutes?
 
Everything takes 10 times as much as you think it will
 
@Ell Because I had to understand the existing implementation
which is not 8 lines of code
 
Xeo
1:23 PM
burninate all, write anew
 
Ask your boss to get you a printer and a Bunsen burner so you can burninate some code.
 
the burn
 
A Burnsen burner.
 
Gonna need an ointment after that
 
@BartekBanachewicz shit information is leaking
 
1:29 PM
hihi
never not haskell
 
Xeo
never hot haskell
 
I made a paladin attack a troll in haskell
 
haskell
 
see all the heathens, haskell is easy
OMG
you know what I've just realized
 
Hello friends and LRiO
 
1:31 PM
if we made a haskell user group, it would be a HUG
 
I like hugs
haven't had one in 8 years
hugpls
 
in french, haskell sounds like a wing in an old dialect
 
that was back in elementary
when I was not writing code :(
 
@AlexM. man that's sad
 
{ }
looks like a hug
 
1:32 PM
pretty sure that's one of those initializer list thingies
 
@BartekBanachewicz And it would be empty
How are you doing Bartek?
 
I am thinking about going back to Hate
0.2 won't do itself
 
Noice
 
since Alex is now a Haskeller I might get more input
 
He is? @AlexM. So sorry mate.
 
1:34 PM
@Jefffrey mostly it's dealing with the move right now though
cleaning things. moving things around
dealing with shitty stores and returns
 
wait I'm not a haskeller yet I still have to find out how easy it is to do the weapon buff thing
 
getting broke basically
 
Gamedev in Haskell? Dear lord I'm very sorry for you alex.
 
I like it rough
4
 
that's what she said
 
1:35 PM
Yeah, I know. That's the problem.
 
obvious starbait is obvious
2
 
Fucking starbaits
2
 
@AlexM. You srs?
 
Ell
I'm going to make carbonara again
I have pancetta left over
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's a rough estimate, though it may be more like 5 or 6 years, I can't really remember much about high school in that regard
it's definitely more than 4 years that I know for sure LOL
 
1:38 PM
like, your parents don't hug you either?
 
does that count
I thought parent hugs are default
 
yeah
 
Parent hugs don't count
 
I'd say it counts
 
Ask batman if it counts
 
1:39 PM
I'm an expert in hugs, trust me.
 
Nobody specified it had to be a partner's hug
 
PhD in hugging.
 
@Jefffrey I put ketchup on my hugs
 
Now I see why you haven't gotten any
 
lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Don't you like it when your doubt is clarified ?
 
I wonder where the "doubt" shit started
do they teach English in schools in India that way
 
yea
there was a tread on ELU I think
 
@AlexM. Yes.
http://english.stackexchange.com/q/2429/3703
http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/q/3200/25755
http://www.indiatimes.com/culture/who-we-are/english-phrases-used-only-by-indians-which-the-world-knows-nothing-about-229329.html
Gods, I feel racist just saying "Indian English"
They've ruined me
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ugh
user image
12
lol this one was funny
 
1:55 PM
So how exactly do they say doubt ?
 
@Mekap Why not follow the links I just gave you
 
;$
 
"House # 264" lol
 
I killed a lot of players in Karachi
it's a map in MW2
 
Xeo
1:58 PM
@AlexM. What kind of country is "Dishes"?
 
not one I'd want to live in
> Prepone.
lol IRTA prepony
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hm?
 

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