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8:00 PM
Also handles references to built-in names such as true and false, turning them into Boolean expressions.
 
@Elyse yea you seem like the kind of guy that would bork on things
 
^ Nice excuse for oversleeping.
 
@StackedCrooked lol
 
@StackedCrooked I wish mine held me hostage this morning. I woke up at 7 for no reason at all
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked I like it
 
8:00 PM
2anime
 
Scotty, you're not giving me everything she's got. Why you holding out on me, brah?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Is that a painted dog?
 
waddafuq that tail
 
@набиячлэвэлиь holy hell they dyed it to look like an extra floofy fox
 
8:01 PM
Guise, I think it unavoidebly Mumble time!!!!
 
And then it died
 
It's a Firefox, you dumb bums
 
It's time!
I'm so pumped
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Firey
 
Firepomeranian
 
8:02 PM
is anyone here good at ABNF grammar lol
 
Maybe
 
Ell
Prolly
 
Now who wants to play GTA V with me. Someone please.
 
Ell
it's not much different to EBNF or BNF is it?
 
@ScottW, @Nooble and @Borgleader come to mumble <3
 
8:05 PM
@Nooble Elim still too busy with pre fallout 4 hype? :D
 
fucking encrypted fallout 4 shit. But right now I am knee deep in d3d12.dll
 
@Ell nope
 
sbi
Good evening.
 
good eventide
 
@Nooble I'm downloading it!
 
Ell
8:06 PM
@ElimGarak at least you're not balls deep in d3d12.dll
 
evening
 
Ell
that's a lot of d's
 
If a rule says [ thing "@" ] and thing is *(some_other_rule) does that mean that just "@" satisfies the rule?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Wait, legal version?
 
my instinct says yeah
but it seems a bit weird
 
8:07 PM
@ElimGarak snort
 
@набиячлэвэлиь you should get that looked at
 
@Rapptz Yes
 
alright
URIs are weird.
 
@ElimGarak I hear you'll still have to download some more stuff on launch day, so I don't know if you'll be able to play even if you cracked it :v
 
goddamnit 20 minute wait for Classic vs Life
 
8:12 PM
@StackedCrooked what's that
 
anime
 
no shit
 
user1804599
what's the point of doing things if you die anyway
 
sbi
Why we have a mod in here?
 
8:14 PM
fuck fuck fucking java checked exceptions
 
sbi
And, oh, look! @Xeo got a shiny new avatar!
 
@sbi he is the Lounge sheppard
 
cerr debugging best debugging
@milleniumbug Use Scala
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion And you are the sheep?
 
@TonyTheLion not sure if that's actually better than smurf tbh mate :)
 
8:16 PM
oh whatever I'll just catch (IOException ex) { throw new RuntimeException(ex); }
 
sbi
This is the C++ room. We do not new exceptions.
 
@JonClements ok well gotta give it some description :)
 
@Nooble you're in the US, right? not sure how well we can play together :(
 
@sbi so... exceptions aren't news to you? :D
 
I played with folks from the US with my PS4 version pretty well
 
sbi
8:18 PM
@JonClements Oh, I see you saved the day yesterday.
 
@ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW @ScottW
 
sbi
@milleniumbug Actually, I learned to use exceptions in Ada. Back then (1991?) C++ didn't have them.
 
@sbi oh I missed some drama then yesterday
 
what happened yesterday?
 
sbi
It's all in the transcript.
 
8:19 PM
Don Larynx had a brain fart
 
@ElimGarak s/had/is/
 
sigh that guy again
 
He was suspended from chatting for the next 41 days IIRC
 
@ElimGarak maybe just a permaban would have been better
Its like the third or fourth time he does this
 
> He was suspended from chatting flagging for the next 41 days IIRC
 
8:21 PM
Either way, works for us!
 
Umm.... that reminds me... need to get some info. from one of the devs and look into that at some point... just busy trying to enjoy a Saturday night instead :p
 
@JonClements Have a fine Saturday evening
 
thanks - I plan to :)
 
@JonClements Get some rest like me. Let your bed hold you hostage.
 
8:22 PM
oh rest
tomorrow I'm hoping to not get up before lunch time
but then, it is unlikely
 
sbi
@AlexM. When I first got it, it was still called Turbo Pascal, and had just acquired the OO extensions. (I also remember using Turbo C++ 3.0 later.)
 
@Mysticial I think I'd also be happy to suffer from Stockholm syndrome in that scenario as well :p
 
sbi
Today I spent the whole daying exclusively doing what I wanted. Which mostly was: nothing.
Well, I did do some cooking, but just for me and for fun.
 
@sbi Sounds like a good day :)
 
Depends what the cooking was... :)
 
8:25 PM
I watched Homeland Series 4
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion It was a fabulous day.
 
@sbi :D
 
sbi
@JonClements The cooking was, as I said, fun.
 
@Nooble we can give transatlantic GTA a try if you want
 
@melak47 I think he was playing @ElimGarak earlier in the week
 
8:26 PM
@sbi the continued vagueness only increases curiousity!
 
@TonyTheLion Nah, I wasn't playing with Nooble, but I actually played with some dad from LA
 
> some dad
 
Yeah, his kid was annoying (mic)
 
was he wearing a fake smile?
 
@ElimGarak oh I somehow thought you were playing with Nooble.
 
sbi
8:27 PM
@JonClements Oh, I cooked nothing special. Fried some potatoes with bacon, onions, garlic, and egg, and ate it with pickled cucumbers.
 
@ElimGarak oh ahahah
 
I haven't played GTA V in a while, but last time I did transatlantic, it worked pretty well. :D Even on the PS4, whose load times and sync are atrocious.
 
@sbi Works for me... but hell.... anything with bacon would work for me
 
so, melak, nooble & me. We need one more for heists. 3/4 still leaves 100% the fourth will be a complete random retard
 
sbi
Recently I had spent my weekends either working, shutting down my garden for the winter, entertaining the kids, or doing other stuff for other people. Today I did only what I wanted. Which, again, was nothing.
 
8:28 PM
@ElimGarak I would but I don't think I have a system that would run it
and I am not very good at these things
 
@JonClements hi
 
394 results for nooble on steam. none of them look fluffly
 
@ElimGarak Once I download GTAV it might work
 
Well - sometimes it's necessary to have a reasonable amount of "me" time - just to avoid burning out for everything else that always appears to need doing in life...
 
@melak47 Skorezore
 
8:29 PM
@JonClements +1
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Online is more like an MMO, you need an account associated with Social Club :P
 
@ElimGarak Whatever that is
 
sbi
@JonClements I don't have such a bacon fixation as seems so ubiquitous here, but I do like to put some into fried eggs or add it to fried potatoes. Other than that, it's mostly just lying around in my fridge. :)
 
@набиячлэвэлиь ah, thanks
 
sbi
@melak47 Didn't you take your work machine with you on Wednesday night in order to spend the weekend writing code? :)
 
8:30 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь socialclub.rockstargames.com
I am root_dom there.
 
@sbi I take it home most Wednesdays, but don't actually end up doing much on the weekend :)
 
> Sorry, lala.land is taken.
 
sbi
@melak47 Well, maybe it helps to motivate you if I tell you that I was recently asked (by U.) when you will have finished your studies and if I would recommend hiring you afterwards? :)
 
@Lalaland Too late or you? :P
 
@sbi yeah that could help :) (though the thing I was gonna work on got voted out, and it seems boost has one already)
 
sbi
8:40 PM
@melak47 Yeah. I found it. :-/
 
address sanitizer might be a bigger pain than it's worth
 
Why are y'all backquoting the emotes
 
sbi
@melak47 When will you be done, BTW?
(Asking for a friend.)
 
@sbi looks like summer semester 2016, so august/september
 
pfft
I wish Blizzard would just play the fucking finals
it's been nearly an hour of wankery now
 
sbi
8:49 PM
@melak47 Ah. So we have enough time to further evaluate you. :)
 
I came here to see Classic vs Life, not some dude wanking about how great Blizzard is
 
GTA V?
 
@Nooble It's downloading
 
@melak47 @ElimGarak Give me an hour?
 
@ElimGarak I sent you a friend thing on the rockstar thing
 
8:51 PM
Uncapped upload and download started moving again
Interesting
 
@ElimGarak @melak47 add me on steam
Skorezore
 
@melak47 I sent you one, too
 
@набиячлэвэлиь on steam?
 
@melak47 On that rockstar thing, and now on Steam, too
 
@Nooble I did
 
8:53 PM
It's like having friends!
 
@ElimGarak Inaccurate, has brain as prerequisite
 
@ElimGarak What's your username?
 
@Nooble root_dom
 
^
 
I'll add y'all probably tomorrow and then we can partee. I am winsocking my way through Saturday.
 
8:55 PM
@ElimGarak And "[DS9] Elim Garak" on Steam?
 
@ElimGarak so see you tomorrow in...2 hours, 5 minutes? :)
 
@набиячлэвэлиь No, it is something a bit different, I'd have to login to see, but this stupid thing is asking me to verify by mail and I can't be bothered to login to the mail as well. I've got melak's and Nooble's usernames, I'll probably find you in skorezore's friend list, right?
 
I picked that name (root_dom) with a controller, it was my last choice after I got tired of being denied by already used names.
So, you'll be playing with us as well? Hell, this might not even suck.
 
If GTAV downloads...
Although if there aren't any repeatable guns this game sucks
 
9:01 PM
It's GTA
Of course it sucks
 
The dreams of packing MLG headshots vanished
 
It's enjoyable with a couple of friends and doing heists, working together.
Also beating Nooble's ass with a baseball bat between missions.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь repeatable?
 
@melak47 Kar98k, Lee-Enfield, Mosin-Nagant: ones you have to repeat yourself, a.k.a. scopeless sniper rifles
 
Steam page, not recommended, not recommended, not recommended, not recommended, not recommended, not recommended
 
9:03 PM
@ElimGarak Why not a gigantic pink rubber dildo?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь That's Saints Row :D
 
@ElimGarak I know
 
@CatPlusPlus Public multiplayer is highly shit due to douchebags
 
That's not surprising
 
I still have no idea how people play FPSs with controllers
 
9:04 PM
Slowly
 
@набиячлэвэлиь hm, not sure. there's one breech loader IIRC.
 
They fumble along
 
It's workable on the condition that everyone uses controller
Then everyone has the same awkward slow as fuck aim speed with assist
 
GTA V shooting mechanics on PC are so gratifying. Especially that tiny dot and a system which values reflexes and precision on top of stats.
 
@melak47 Breech loading = inaccurate
 
9:05 PM
It has stats???
 
It's alright for shotguns, because you don't snipe with them
 
You should use the Xbox controllers very rrgonomic
 
Yeah, some RPGish stats for the various activities you can perform. Flying, driving, shooting etc...
 
Get the driver for your pc
 
Also what is this shark card bullshit
 
9:06 PM
@ElimGarak Hehe, that means my halfsniper experience might not be completely wasted
@GettingNifty lol
Not in an FPS
 
@CatPlusPlus Them trying to squeeze money out of rich kids, but they've subsided now that heists have decent payouts.
 
I need two triggers homie
 
Blegh
 
Before heists, making money was mostly glitches or grinding, or shark cards. Now, it's coolio.
 
No buy
Fuck AAA forever
 
9:07 PM
I can walk into a room dual magnums 3 shots left 3 dudes drop
 
I need to set a public int Value { get; } time for reflection
 
in public play, every 5 minutes a cheater/modder/??? comes along and removes everyone's equipment :D
and then someone else replaces it with snowballs
 
@GettingNifty lol double hanguns
useless
 
The biggest upside is having a couple of friends to do heists with, it's extremely awesome when it all comes together. Flying in on a chopper, two guys take the back, one takes the front and the fourth one circles for evac, then maneuvers away from cops.
 
@ElimGarak "two guys take the back" ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o)
 
9:09 PM
The back of the ship. :D
 
I have PAYDAY but apparently it went to shit with DLC and microtransaction nonsense
audible sigh
 
I am thinking of a new strategy where you don't shoot until you get a huge advantage
 
Are you in the Lounge<C++> group on Steam, @Elim?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь No, Lounge group was spawned when I was absent
 
@GettingNifty Dead axis soldier = huge advantage
@ElimGarak Plink Katt with your SteamID
 
9:11 PM
@CatPlusPlus Dropped that game after about the first hour.
the AI can't perform the most basic tasks
 
It's really not a game to play with AI
 
Mods are cool if you can become diablo and make meteors rain from the sky.
 
nothing like humans
 
eh
I can kind of appreciate making that choice, but in that case, why even offer combat against AI
 
Not being a fake pro
 
9:12 PM
Training, getting used to mechanics
 
you can't get used to the mechanics, because you can't execute the mechanics.
e.g., you have a heist that requires 3 bags, the AI can't carry the bags.
you have a heist with 2 guards, AI can't report in for a guard.
so it's basically impossible to execute any mechanic or strategy
 
Do this pk ur worst enemy, then get the cops on u and duck behind a car until they come back, when they shoot at u they'll become wanted, then blow up their ferarri and run. It'll get impounded
Easiest way is to sticky bomb the car til they shoot at u
 
@GettingNifty Try using English
 
Pk is player kill in free roam
Why does eclipse won't load html files
@Puppy I have a game variant called The Blender 10 Veteran AI with gatlin guns in a maze on a roof
 
@ElimGarak what's the winsock stuff for? :D
 
9:25 PM
Im set up for Java 1.8, Spring, MySQL and JOGL but I get an "Unable to open external editor error" and it says its a bug on eclipse website. XML works, but I probably do need a working HTML editor and parser. It has a browser as the default but it doesn't work.
So its like an easier 1.8 version of EE
 
@melak47 For communication with the infested process (basically, D3D12 apps), I have to get to them before they spawn the D3D12 device and beyond merely launching it as part of my visual debugging tool, I want to be able to circumvent the obfuscation of modern "launchers" as well, trigger suspend of a target process before my DLL can slither in, then allow it to resume.
 
private set is probably better, don't like it
 
For internal purposes, it always preceded the launching of the editor, so these weren't problems I had to deal with. But as I am making it OS & standalone now, it's necessary.
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson eww mutations
 
@Elyse Yes, I want it immutable but the XmlSerializer is so poorly designed.
 
user1804599
Reflection is bad.
 
user1804599
It's not verified by the type checker.
 
@ElimGarak so you're injecting the dll at runtime? when I wanted to get there before device creation, I just wrapped stuff in D3D11.dll and put that in the game folder :)
 
user1804599
And is hence a missed opportunity for automatic bug detection.
 
9:31 PM
yes, would require tests
 
@melak47 I want minimal fuss and maximum joy of usage. :D So, when you're done with it, it's like the inspector was never sleeping with your app. :D
 
that kind of ugly can break anytime
relying on the name of a generated field
 
@ElimGarak another way I used was to hook IDXGISwapChain::Present, that way I could get the device at any time. But you said something like D3D12 makes it difficult so you need to capture all the state setup and whatnot from the get-go?
 
@melak47 Have you seen the visual debugger in Visual Studio and RenderDoc? Mine is a blend between the two, but it also does a lot more visualizing of the geometry of the draw calls and also allows 3D texture visualization of in the viewport (instead of moving through slices and not really having any idea of the volume). :D
 
I've used VS'
 
9:37 PM
RenderDoc only does D3D11 and some OGL, and its code is really bad, singletons everywhere, weird choices and just poor all around. But it works!
 
I hate volvo and how bad they make their games run
 
woop woop MSVClang will be in Update 1
 
Volvo still makes games?
@melak47 WHEN? :D
 
@Elyse types are tests run by the compiler
 
the way cs go stutters ugh
 
9:39 PM
@ElimGarak dunno. November I thought.
 
it's like a thousand trolls decided to shit in one place
 
I feel like I should remind y'all that this beautiful video exists
 
and you're swimming in it
 
@AlexM. I sometimes have this intermittent stuttering despite high framerate. goes away after a couple seconds.
 
I hate it so muuuch
 
user1804599
9:40 PM
@JohanLarsson tests for free!
 
user1804599
test inference
 
I need my smoothness to properly hit stuff
 
@Elyse not quite free, types means typing, at least in C#
 
there's no point in having fast reactions if the game slows you down
 
but worth it
 
user1804599
9:40 PM
Well more precisely, types are theorems, and programs of them are their proofs, but only if you make sure your programs are pure and total.
 
you are pure
 
user1804599
Which is why Haskell rules, it already enforces half of those requirements.
 
anyway
it's good to see that even with 1 week pauses between games
I still rek nabes
even if stuttering
 
@Elyse idris
 
user1804599
:>
 
user1804599
Oh, right, I forgot, you also need parametricity as a guarantee.
 
user1804599
Hence C# sucks:
 
user1804599
T identityFunction<T>(T x) { return default(T) /* haha tricked you motherfucker */; }
 
Gotta love, how you need to pass --no-install-suggests --no-install-recommends to apt-get to not install pointless bullshit
 
Apt has worst defaults
Suggested shouldn't be installed by default though
 
9:48 PM
lol volvo error messages
 
Ell
@Elyse what is parametricity?
 
@AlexM. 2 verts too many!
 
user1804599
@Ell It says that polymorphic functions cannot query the type arguments.
 
@melak47 lol magic buffer size fail
 
user1804599
Much like generics in Java.
 
9:49 PM
for a fistful of verts more
 
user1804599
So they behave the same way no matter what type of values you pass.
 
@Puppy (2^16)/2
 
still magic buffer size
 
lol reddit
> Programmer here, I'm on it.
 
user1804599
When people say generics in Java suck because they're erased, what they actually mean is that downcasts suck because they need that information to be safe.
 
user1804599
9:52 PM
(Fuck downcasts.)
 
Ell
@elyse so you can't use T inside the function?
 
user1804599
@Ell Precisely.
 
user1804599
id :: a -> a
id x = if a == Int then 0 else x -- forbidden
 
user1804599
Hence, assuming purity and totality, id x = x is the only possible implementation. You don't have any other values of type a than x.
 
why can't you hash everything with pk or md5 it takes an eternity there's a way to shadow an md5 I think like a guid
 
Ell
9:53 PM
I don't understand that
 
user1804599
Why not?
 
Ell
Why couldn't it be x : []
 
user1804599
Because x : [] has type [a], not type a.
 
user1804599
And id must return a, not [a].
 
fuck Life you are so great
 
Ell
9:54 PM
Oh yeah
 
whatever who cares
 
user1804599
When you hate dynamic typing, you love parametricity!
 
@milleniumbug About what?
 
11 mins ago, by Elyse
Hence C# sucks:
 
@Elyse When you hate everything, you love are rightfold!
 
9:56 PM
(sorry that I wasn't specific at first)
 
I agree.
default(T) is an abomination
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug You lose useful guarantees (e.g. "does the same thing regardless of type") for pointless features that are designed specifically for special cases (and special cases suck).
 
Ell
@Elyse can you have parametricity and polymorphism at the same time?
 
user1804599
Parametricity does not make sense without polymorphism.
 
user1804599
It's a property of polymorphic values.
 
Ell
9:58 PM
I don't understand. Isn't polymorphism doing something different based on the type?Is
Like type classes
Or overloading
 
user1804599
Polymorphism means that one value has more than one type.
 
no
polymorphism is not about doing different things based on the type.
quite on the contrary, it's about doing the same thing for more than one type.
 
user1804599
For example, id above has at least two types: forall a. a -> a and Int -> Int.
 
> The solution is to use the default keyword, which will return null for reference types and zero for numeric value types. For structs, it will return each member of the struct initialized to zero or null depending on whether they are value or reference types. For nullable value types, default returns a System.Nullable<T>, which is initialized like any struct.
wow terrible
 

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