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2:00 PM
@Fanael I think I have one. Or do I use onboard? Can't remember.
 
I wouldn't use anything below a GTX 980 for eyefinity
 
user784668
@AlexM. Is 2x GTX 970 >= GTX 980?
 
I don't know but I'm sure that 2x 970 is more expensive than 1x 980
so it's likely that overall you get a worse deal
and if you do 2x 970 your game must also work OK with SLI
see batman arkham knight for a game that has worse performance in SLI than in single GPU mode
 
isn't arkham knight the one that's so broken they had to recall it twice?
 
user784668
@Puppy y
 
2:03 PM
@Puppy they only recalled it once but now they re-released it
what's funny though
 
user784668
@Puppy Clearly written by PHP programmers.
 
no, they recalled it again
after the re-release was just as bad.
 
is that they finally admitted that they have problems they can't fix
 
What kinds of problems? Crashes?
 
user784668
@AlexM. Last time I checked, prices were similar.
 
2:04 PM
@fredoverflow nah, just bad performance esp in vehicles and while gliding
 
crashes, graphical glitches, poor performance, logical bugs
 
user784668
And performance is 1.5x one 980, if internets are to be trusted.
 
pretty much every kind of bug you can imagine a PC game having.
but 10-100x more than average
 
I once saw a video where Tetris stuttered on a PS4 or something :-D
 
@Fanael I don't know, a 980 is 20% cheaper than 2x 970 here
trust me tho, the SLI problem is real
I can't remember a new game that used SLI properly
 
user784668
2:06 PM
@AlexM. That'd make it 20% more monies for 50% more purrformances, then.
 
at least at release
 
Does SLI need to be programmed explicitly? I thought it was already handled by DirectX or something?
 
I don't know, I'm sure Cicada knows more
I know that at least for CUDA stuff the GPUs are separate entities
and you program them separately
@Fanael in benchmarks
 
user784668
@AlexM. Nah, what I found were numbers from games.
 
you can link you know
 
2:08 PM
@fredoverflow I think that nominally, it is, somewhat. However, the costs of various operations are different, so you can't get best performance for free.
 
AFAIK basically all games work with SLI, it's a question of whether they make the best use of it or not.
 
@Fanael ok, buy two 970s then
I'd only make a SLI out of very powerful GPUs
so for games that don't work with SLI I can just disable it
 
user784668
@AlexM. Make that one.
 
user784668
Already have one.
 
2:10 PM
SLi is an excellent way to extend the life of a GPU.
 
user784668
@AlexM. So exactly like multiple CPUs or even multiple CPU cores?
 
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A: SLI for multiple GPUs

Brendan WoodNo, in general you don't want to use SLI if you plan on using the GPUs for compute instead of pure graphics applications. You will be able to access both GPUs as discrete devices from within your CUDA program. Note that you will need to explicitly divide work between the GPUs. I don't have an ...

 
@fredoverflow There are multiple modes at play, with default drivers, AFR is at play where the frames are rendered by alternating between the two GPUs. All resources and associated state are duplicated in video memory. The bridge interconnect is only used for low bandwidth sync transmissions and PCIe links are used to actually transmit data. With D3D12, it is possible to direct activities on both GPUs independently.
 
there we go
someone who knows stuff chimes in :D
 
user784668
@AlexM. Yup, so like multiple CPUs.
 
user784668
2:13 PM
Only difference is there is no OS to hide that detail from you.
 
inb4 OS for GPUs
 
inb4 it's a variant of emacs
 
@ElimGarak Don't know why AFR doesn't "work" for some games. It should boost the FPS by at least some amount.
 
IIRC it is possible to do some things that you really shouldn't, like reading back the data from the previous frame.
 
user784668
2:17 PM
Actually, would be kinda interesting being able to run multiple OSes, giving each one a single CPU core.
 
@Fanael A VM?
 
user784668
@Nooble Without one.
 
Ell
My heeeaaad
 
@Ell Drink more water
 
@Ell lost it again?
 
user784668
2:18 PM
@Nooble Though thinking about it, we'd need some code that determines which OS can use which memory regions and which hardware and stuff
 
user784668
And that's essentially a hypervisor
 
@GregorMcGregor Don't let her steal you from me!
 
Ell
I need some fish&chips
 
@Fanael What would be the advantage over a VM?
 
@GregorMcGregor That's the opposite of a problem
 
2:22 PM
Hardware virtualization is already supported in most CPUs.
 
user784668
4 mins ago, by Fanael
And that's essentially a hypervisor
 
$(SolutionDir).paket/paket.exe pack output ./publish
can't get ^ to work as a postbuild
tried permutations with quotes
no error but no output when run
works fine in powershell
 
@Fanael Oh, whoops, I'm blind.
 
@Nooble Puppy recalls well, it's common for folks to reuse the previous frame in some capacity, read it back to system memory, making the next frame impossible to compute until the analysis of the readback is complete. Many advanced techniques which require any sort of dumping data to system memory invalidate AFR pretty much for their duration.
 
2:25 PM
> Italian Job Burger
Bun, salsicia...
oh hey a burger with sausaggio @Jefffrey
they put rucola in it tho
skip
 
@JohanLarsson ${SolutionDir} or $SolutionDir?
 
@ElimGarak Ah.
 
user784668
@ElimGarak what
 
user784668
Did you really just say that it's common for folks to read from GPU?
 
@Fanael Show RESPECT when talking to our GPU god, gringo!
:P
 
2:28 PM
Yup, very common. Ideally, you'd keep stuff in video memory at all times... But sometimes that's not an option. That's why such automated configurations for utilizing multiple GPUs are seldom optimal.
 
Yeah dumping through PCI-E to system RAM is almost never a good idea.
 
@ElimGarak what's your history wrt jobs and stuff if you don't mind me asking?
did you honor any company dealing with graphics with your knowledge?
 
user784668
@набиячлэвэлиь cállate cabrón
 
@Fanael Which cabrón?
 
NFS Cabrón
 
2:30 PM
so I broke up with my girlfriend. I have't felt that horrible in quite some time
 
why'd you do it again?
at least you're alive m8
 
:)
thanks, that made me smile
I did it because we were too different and I realized I need someone more like me
 
@набиячлэвэлиь it finds the exe I think
 
but it's 4 years and they're like passing in my mind frame by frame
 
sounds like a good reason to me
 
user1804599
2:31 PM
Why is the concatenation operator in Lua right-associative?
 
@AndyProwl been there
 
user784668
@AndyProwl Clone yourself.
 
@JohanLarsson Is that Windows? Use backslashes
 
Like you in "core" ways; those traits you identify with and find essential
 
@AndyProwl inb4 clones
 
2:32 PM
Minor contribution from actually researching :)
 
@AndyProwl Have a MAN-IN-SUIT-LEVITATING: 🕴.
 
@Fanael that would be disgusting
 
@Nooble I cannot see that!
 
@набиячлэвэлиь late
 
@набиячлэвэлиь testing, have tested a bunch of permutations :)
 
2:32 PM
@AndyProwl Have long were you guys together?
 
@Nooble looks like an exclamation point in this size
 
user784668
@AndyProwl Too much like you?
 
@fredoverflow four years
 
@Fanael yeah
 
2:33 PM
The next few months are probably gonna suck.
But don't worry, Lounge is there for you!
 
for her even more
thank you guys
 
user784668
Who needs girlfriends when you have the Lounge?
 
I'll have a beer fer yer future tonight
or maybe two
 
Loungefriend
 
@AlexM. Time to update your browser.
 
2:34 PM
I know with most of us we aren't really "friends" but at least I get cheered up
 
@Nooble this is firefox, it only gets worse
 
I feel so horrible I'm thinking of submitting a lightning talk for Meeting C++
2
 
@AndyProwl Lies. We're all friends.
 
user784668
@Nooble Lies. Bartek and I aren't.
 
@AlexM. Use Firefox Nightly.
 
2:35 PM
@AndyProwl do "How to dump your program state's to a MySQL database"
AYYYYY
 
@Fanael :(
 
@AlexM. Most notably, working with Microsoft, Nvidia, AMD and other studios to streamline DirectX 12, the details of it being under the NDA. As a result, I got nominated for DX MVP by the DirectX folks directly.
 
@AlexM. :D fuck off
 
@AndyProwl hehe cmon it's a good joke
 
it's a terrible joke but that's what I need
 
2:35 PM
@ElimGarak whoa
 
@ElimGarak NDA blah blah.
 
cool
 
tell us the details
 
@ElimGarak you dick sucker
 
user1804599
Imperative programming, where function() return fn(action())() end is distinct from fn(action()).
 
2:38 PM
@AndyProwl Robot?
 
@JohanLarsson When shaved, maybe :P
 
Ell
Ah Andy I hope you feel better soon
 
Thank you Ell
 
Ell
Come down to Bristol and have a few pints with me :P
 
I really wish I could
 
Ell
2:40 PM
And @tony does too, I bailed on visiting him :/ sorry about that @tony BTW
I will visit you both at some point
 
You're always welcome
 
have you tried ordering pizza
an old philosopher (me) once said
a man's second lover is always pizza
 
@AlexM. You don't make it easy not thinking about Pizza!
 
user784668
@AlexM. You were horribly wrong.
 
user784668
2:42 PM
A man's first and foremost lover is pizza.
 
@Fanael :O
 
Ell
I love those pictures like "keanu Reaves, keanu returns"
 
@AlexM. Last thing I feel like now is eating
 
Ell
Kanye west kanye east
Glenn close, Glenn close but no cigar
 
@AndyProwl hmm that's a good point
 
2:43 PM
Glenn Close, Glenn Far
 
Although, when I go out in them, nobody understands wtf it means.
 
Ell
@andy I think the best thing to do is occupy yourself somehow
 
@Ell I know. I need people
 
Ell
@ElimGarak I'm hoping dx12 fails in favour of vulkan tbh
Can you make that happen! :P
 
user784668
I'm hoping Vulkan fails in favor of anything because this name is horribad.
 
2:44 PM
vkDoEverything()
 
Wellp, it has crossplatforming going for it, but DX12 has been on the integration line with most studios for well over a year and a half. And then you'll have suits to explain to why you should also support Vulkan when you're already rolling DX12. And given Windows 10 adoption rates, the free upgrade, the market share according to Steam...
 
I think that Vulkan needs to be a lot better than DX12 to even begin to make inroads
being crossplatform just isn't enough by far, since one single platform has the vast majority of the market share.
 
Vulkan will take off simply because its design is the right thing to do (tm)
 
@fredoverflow lol
 
2:49 PM
 
Is Vulkan the logical thing to do?
 
Idk how it will compete against DX12 but it's definitely the end of OpenGL as we know it
Thanks nobble
 
@fredoverflow Ahahahah, there were a few folks from Rockstar, in particular, San Diego. I mostly interacted with David Etherton.
 
"We have a job opening for an excellent Python templar knight. Are your skills up to par?"
 
no
 
user406009
2:49 PM
@Puppy Vulkan's only hope is if lots of people but Steam machines. But nobody buys them.
 
@fredoverflow :)
 
Steam Machines are gonna face the same problem as anybody else
they can't do anything better than a Windows machine can.
 
Ell
I think spir v is awesome
Also cross device as well as just cross OS
 
you know the steam controller seemed great... until you saw that you had to start EVERY game through steam
for it to work
 
Spir V very good idea as the name indicates
 
2:50 PM
@Ell Yeah.
 
@AlexM. I didn't think it seems great.
 
Why is Windows the predominant gaming platform, anyway? Technical reasons or historical accident?
 
user406009
@Puppy What about avoiding the cost of a Windows license?
 
Ell
Drivers I think
 
user784668
Hysterical raisins.
 
user406009
2:50 PM
That's something.
 
@fredoverflow popularity with consumers?
 
Ell
@Fanael that made me lol
 
I'd have to say that it's partly the predominant gaming platform because it's at least partly the predominant desktop platform in general.
 
@fredoverflow It's a vicious cycle.
 
I mean if 359083503 use windows you clearly target them for your game
not the 2524 linux and mac users
 
2:51 PM
@Ell no worries :)
 
@Lalaland What about it? Microsoft basically don't charge customers anything for one. They're literally giving away Windows 10 upgrade. You can get a free, permanent Win7 licence as a student, and then permanently upgrade it to a free Win10 licence.
 
And every new kid on the block is introduced to the Windows logo at an early age, so they associate Windows with comfort and titties.
 
> they associate Windows with comfort and titties.
lol
 
user784668
@Nooble Wouldn't it be a virtuous cycle?
 
Microsoft just don't charge enough for a Windows licence to justify the horrendous usability of the competition
 
Ell
2:52 PM
ohhh come to papa
these chips
 
@Fanael v0v
 
I think I'll have a burger today
with fries
mmmm
 
user784668
Oh no.
 
user784668
Time just went back.
 
especially since Windows comes bundled with the device at purchase in most cases so they don't even see the cost
 
user406009
2:53 PM
Vulkan is like that thrird party candidate you love. You like it so much better than the other options, but you are forced to admit it will never win.
 
And also, development tools include visual debugging to a pretty good extent. Although, could use moar visualization. Vulkan has nothing like that.
 
@Lalaland I don't like it at all really.
 
I grew up using Windows, so for me its just a comfort thing now
 
it's got nothing particularly good going for it.
 
Ell
2:54 PM
I think Valve are developing visual debugging tools for vk
 
volvo should develop a better engine for CS GO
 
I can use Linux, but I know my way around Windows a lot better. Linux FS takes a bit of getting used to, and all the conf files etc.
 
Ah, that's external, while it will be useful, these are integrated with VS directly. And Valve doesn't have the insider knowledge and resources Microsoft has to do these things right.
 
not sure why a car manufacturer would develop a graphics engine for another company's games
 
user406009
@Puppy I think cross platform competition and open standards are a thing to strive for.
 
user784668
2:54 PM
lol me
 
@Ell Thank the fucking lord.
 
user784668
I just started a Windows VM and the only thing it's doing is playing music.
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion yeah, for me FS was the biggest shift
 
@Lalaland They're not worth doubling the development cost and cutting the available market by 95%
 
@Ell oh you came from Windows then?
 
Ell
2:55 PM
Yeah
 
you weren't always compiling your kernel twice a week? :P
 
user406009
@Puppy, whatever happened to your youthful idealism?
 
Ell
I was windows until I came to the lounge basically
haha no :p
 
@Nooble I'm hoping RenderDoc will support Vulkan. Mostly because it works well enough and I'm already familiar with it :)
 
I don't remember possessing youthful idealism.
 
user784668
2:55 PM
I hate Linux and it's complete shit.
 
user784668
Yet I hate Windows even more.
 
@Ell I can't remember why I left Windows for Linux. Probably some stupid Windows update crashing my system. Now Linux updates get to crash my system :)
 
@Fanael Use TempleOS :P
 
Ell
I can't tell you how happy these fish and chips are making me
 
just for example, look at the Web
 
user784668
2:56 PM
Only thing I use Windows for nowadays is games, and even that is only inside a VM.
 
they're often cross-platform, open standards
 
and still utter shite that I wish I could burn in hell.
 
or PotatOS, which @GregorMcGregor will vouch for :P
 
@Borgleader I should use renderdoc.
 
Ell
@fredoverflow For me I just wanted to explore
and ended up liking linux more
 
You need to run PotatOS on a potato though
any potato will do :P
 
hahahahahahaha
 
@Ell Oh I also liked some command line tools like gcc being there by default.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak vulkan is for windows xp too n that
 
2:58 PM
Most people don't realize how fundamentally hardcore DirectX 12 is wrt to DirectX 11. Just looking at the lines you have to churn out, it is twice the amount of code. And the mental overhead is too much for some folks that Microsoft maintains it is not a successor, but an advanced option.
 
Ell
china has lots of windows xp
china likes to play dota
 
China also has ridiculous censorship laws. :D
 
Why is everyone still on XP in China? Did they censor Windows Vista?
 
because Vista is too slow and they can't really afford to buy better components.
 
China has also got lots of Chinese people
 
user784668
2:59 PM
@fredoverflow Because they're all @JerryCoffin and think it's still 2001.
 
ITT I'm captain Obvious :P
 
I'd try out Linux as my daily OS if @набиячлэвэлиь does it.
 
I don't get people who don't upgrade to Windows 10. It's the closest thing to Windows 7 since Windows 7.
 
@TonyTheLion So that's where they're all hiding!
 
@fredoverflow Yep :)
 
2:59 PM
@ElimGarak The updates and the UI are enough to warrant sticking on Windows 7.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak effort
 
@Nooble wus :P
 
Ell
fear
 
@ElimGarak Doesn't Windows 10 have major security/privacy issues?
 
Ell
> why fix what's not broken
 

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