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Xeo
1:00 AM
oops, 2am. I should sleep.
 
@ElimGarak oops busted. Borgleader made me take the wrong turn again
(Really: I was lost on imgur)
 
@sehe I got home half an hour ago and have been eating for most of it)
 
oops, 3am
jk, it's saturday
fuck sleeping
 
Gotta get down on Saturday? Wait, no.
 
I hope the owners come for the rent late in the evening
 
Xeo
1:00 AM
Also, I might have to get another avatar. It just doesn't look as good as I hoped in that small size
 
@Borgleader I meant the link I sent yesterday
 
so I can wake up at sth like 17
 
23 hours ago, by sehe
@Borgleader WAIT! Here's the fruit of my X3 labour:
 
@Xeo it's ok I noticed it
 
6000 lines in one source file which contains logically different chunks, gg.
 
1:01 AM
@sehe Did not have time to watch those yet. I will soon though.
 
Xeo
Or I'll just have to
write in three lines
from now on
 
@Borgleader Don't watch the streams (you'll see me ... ) but did you see the code?
 
@Xeo wats up with the new avatar?
 
I can't get used to Xeo's new avatar. Looks like an annoyed stormtrooper.
 
@sehe Turns out being drunk is awesome!
 
1:02 AM
I made it worksings
 
ahah, same time
 
Xeo
@Borgleader in what sense?
 
@Columbo I'll need a truckload of context
 
memcpy(&outvars[outIdx].value.uv[flatten ? comp : 0], d, RDCMIN(data.size()-dataOffset, elemByteSize*cols));
Wow.
 
@Xeo what is it?
 
Xeo
1:02 AM
I just came across this expression and thought it would fit well as an avatar.
@Borgleader Facial expression
 
@sehe Unfortunately I don't even have a teaspoon, it's just general excitement :-)
 
@sehe I'm looking at it now
 
why are people asking for need for speed remakes wtf
they'll just end up being bad
as if EA can't stick DLC and shit in a remake or sth
 
Didn't they release a new one just a few days ago? The one with the live action cutscenes and other bullshit.
 
@ElimGarak yea sth like that, and a guy's game got interrupted because "the servers are shutting down for maintenance" or sth like that haha
a single player game where you can't play because EA servers are in maintenance
 
1:05 AM
Ahahah, man, if I worked at these big companies, I'd be a loud mouth about that online only bullshit. I'd get fired the second day.
 
next day: fired
 
yup :D
 
Blizzard is already taking pre orders for the next wow expansion, it comes out in september
djesus -.-;
 
Blizzard needs to fuck off and check their privilege. Time for a Warcraft 4. Time for a single player RPG based on Warcraft. Time for something fucking else.
 
I think blizzard rtss are really hard to play
I couldn't win at starcraft ever
 
1:07 AM
They've got this huge, lore rich world established as fuck... And all the resources in the world. I don't get it. If they started burning money today, they'd die before running out.
 
in contrast, I'm going ok through the AoE 2 campaigns
 
Time for Overwatch \o/
 
like in starcraft I was getting zerg rushed by the protoss ai
2slow
 
Xeo
anyhow, off to bed
 
'night!
Meanwhile, I've been breaking apart a few "next gen" games I have installed... None compress their framebuffer and their gbuffers are wasteful as fuck. In many cases, bandwidth could be cut down by 30-40%.
 
1:09 AM
EA might be doing some data stuff too?
 
@ElimGarak You should make some in depth analysis like that GTA V one ;)
@ElimGarak By compressing framebuffer you mean DXT1/5 and such?
 
I fucking click on a subreddit's logo and it takes me to the reddit homepage
I have to click the title
 
@Borgleader Ah, no, introducing chromatic subsampling while maintaining luminance (eye is pretty much mostly sensitive to luminance shifts), allows you to free up a whole channel (requires a tiny bit of ALU to reconstruct it properly). Normal data can also be encoded without loss into 2 channels. Boom, two textures become one moving between the first generation towards the last one where it is stored uncompressed. :D
 
I want to learn 3D but I can't
 
@ElimGarak Ah packing normal as 2 channels I thought was what you referred to as "gbuffers are wasteful as fuck"
for me compressing != packing
 
1:14 AM
@Borgleader Yup, also material definitions could be stored with far less data. Emissive data could be reencoded to use two channels and a simple per-frame reconstruction gamut. :D Compression only applies to primary color data in terms of high quality chrom. subsampling, but could be applied to other shit as well (if you can hide the loss away).
 
And actually i think you do have loss when encoding normal on 2 channels because IIRC you need 1 bit for the direction of it no? (and by direction I mean sign of Z)
 
> This is ridiculous Valve. I have a GTX 980 Ti and a i7 4790k and I still drop under 200 FPS often. I'm trying to reinstall CS now to see if it helps, but this shouldn't be neccessery. Fix your game Valve.
hey elim, analyze cs go
and see why it sucks
 
@Borgleader Stereographic projection for the win! :D (there is a dead zone, but easily compensated for)
 
wut
 
then go tell volvo how to fix it
 
1:16 AM
 
@AlexM. and I still drop under 200 FPS often. he's trolling right
 
no the game runs very bad
last time I played it was stuttering so much it was unpleasant to play
 
Why is he complaining about dropping below 200 fps
200!!!
 
@AlexM. s/run/i/
 
@ElimGarak what this
 
1:18 AM
there's something about the engine and CPUs because lowering the graphics settings never works
 
oh
ew
ew wtf are those complex numbers in a sphere
 
@Borgleader the higher the framerate the smoother the mouse input too
 
@AlexM. Well if its cpu bound for some reason, its not surprising that lower graphics options wouldnt help
 
you kinda have to play it yourself and see the difference
 
1:18 AM
@AlexM. Dude... 200 fps
 
@VermillionAzure Stereographic projection, an application being: nifty way of encoding normal data with 2 channels.
 
@Borgleader do you watch the progress of this
 
@ElimGarak I don't see any normals or vectors ro components wtf
 
the problems go away and come back with each update
his message follows an update that made this happen
 
@AlexM. No, I havent played CS:GetRekt in 2 months at least
 
1:19 AM
@VermillionAzure That's the general idea, in the picture. For the details, I've given you the name of it. "Stereographic projection". It would take paragraphs to synthesize an explanation here. :D
 
@ElimGarak I'll look it up on wikipedia
 
It was introduced as a proper way to encode normal data in less channels, folks were doing dumb shit where they managed to drop handedness information prior to it. Just one of the many ways in which game developers excel at sucking.
 
@AlexM. why tf is this flagged
invalidated
 
Because Don Retard is here
 
1:22 AM
Don Larynx is back. Fuck that guy.
 
oh ffs
 
@JonClements
 
Here we go...
 
lmao
 
How has he not been permabanned
 
1:23 AM
snuckoverflow
 
Because SO is run by chimps.
 
rapptz m8erino
we don't care about gists
kick larynx
 
I can't do anything about it
 
PLEASE
 
1:24 AM
I can't.
 
of course you can
 
I already tried.
Oh now I can.
 
what
 
Everyone pass that flag
 
I can't kick if they haven't talked.
 
1:24 AM
Why do @Rapptz and @AlexM. have such similar avatars, it's confusing
 
We're past kicking, unless it involves my shoe up his ass.
 
@Columbo I'll change mine soon, I can feel it
 
@GregorMcGregor Done, I almost didnt because I was invalidating a wall of them
@Columbo hasHeadband? @AlexM. : @Rapptz;
 
I'm gonna keep cancelling stars
 
good job team
 
1:26 AM
Doesn't someone at SO have enough common sense to actually implement a trigger where after n kicks, a permaban drops?
 
I just discovered that non non biyori has lots of good fanart and HOLY SHIT tsundora.com/image/2014/05/non_non_biyori-19.jpg
 
BTW @Jon I have screenshots of the situation in case you missed it
 
fucking annoying
 
there's not much bad fanart for this anime
 
WHAT THE FUCK. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT GUY?
 
1:27 AM
fat faggot, what a great term to curse your enemies ... imagine myself saying 'shut up you fat faggot!'
 
ayyy
 
Hi im gregor the social justice warrior
 
nice
 
@JonClements can't you just permachemio ban that cancer
 
1:27 AM
I kicked him again.
 
@DonLarynx Who pissed in your ear, brah?
 
I can only kick one more time before mods are triggered.
 
> mods are triggered
lol
 
@Rapptz do they react like tumblr when triggered?
 
And then mods come here and act like nuns.
 
1:28 AM
@ElimGarak triggered nuns
 
> This user has been temporarily suspended by a moderator and cannot chat for 41 days.
That didn't take very long did it?
 
@JonClements Thanks <3
 
why 41, just permaban him
 
All hail @JonClements
 
Thanks.
 
1:28 AM
no loss there
 
Nice.
 
Arigatou Jon!
 
That'll do for the minute until I think more about it when awake... it's 1:30am, I'm going to roll over and go back to sleep
 
@JonClements G'night.
 
lol night
 
1:29 AM
Now Rapptz if you could cancel the rest of the shitty stars and put them all on my posts
 
@JonClements night
 
sweet dreams jony boy
 
oh yeah I forgot to cancel your starred message
 
@JonClements Good night, don't think about it... Just relax and enjoy your Saturday. You've done a good thing, songs will be sung about this day.
 
brb moving flats
 
1:29 AM
okay I'm done
that was annoying
anyway back to scheduled shitposting
 
So, who pissed of Don so much he decided to turn into a retard?
 
@ElimGarak I think it was me, sorry
 
@Rapptz 💩💩💩💩
 
@ElimGarak He's always been like that.
 
Wow, his parents must be proud.
 
1:31 AM
some time back I think I pissed him off, he got angry, said some shit
one thing led to another
he got suspended
 
Ive had Don Larynx plonked for a long time
 
because of "me"
 
He just didn't go full idiot like this.
Usually he'd be like Telkitty.
 
@Borgleader yea me too
 
Just posting.
But then at some point he went full moron and started doing the annoying shit.
 
1:32 AM
@ElimGarak The nurse who delivered him.
 
anyway hence his predisposition to insult me every time
 
the only time I've ever seen said user is when I've been pulled into the room for flags.
 
that says nothing of course, that is also the only reason I met @BartekBanachewicz :P
 
@melak47 MSVClang cant come soon enough
 
1:33 AM
Visual Clang++ :D
 
why are people looking forward to clang for vs?
I thought vs was an abysmal IDE
 
cl.exe is a terrible compiler.
 
VS is a terrible editor.
Clang for VS fixes one of those things.
 
makes sense
 
1:34 AM
@ElimGarak I'll go through that in a minute. Honestly I'd feel like writing one of them articles, but I'd be talking through my ass
@AlexM. VS isnt bad, its compiler is shit, by replacing it with clang you make VS much better
 
I'm only saying what I hear here :D
for the year I used it
I found VS very usable for C++
 
in the lounge everything is terrible, were like anti ads
 
The VS editor is p. bad
 
what's so bad about the editor itself?
 
I can do more with ST
 
1:37 AM
well yeah that's true but is it not true for all IDEs?
 
@Borgleader Hmm... Alcohol is good. Oh, and Poutine at least looks really good. Oh, that reminds me. I still have some leftover lunch to eat (and yes, it was really good).
 
I guess if you add things like resharper
then ST can't beat it anymore
I don't even think the ST/vim/emacs have a resharper-like equivalent
 
Wellp, I've begun extracting my D3D12 visual debugging tools from the editor, but I will have to switch from our internal GUI system for the editors to something open for pushing it up on GitHub. Any suggestions?
 
user406009
@Borgleader Incorrect, we have the sparkly Bjarne.
 
user406009
A clearly beautiful piece of art.
 
1:39 AM
Should I worry?
 
@ElimGarak BearLibTerminal
@Jefffrey no
Also, linkpls
 
@Jefffrey Are those your SO questions? :)
 
Wow, 135 issues. "I'll do it tomorrow" strategy is proving inefficient. Send help.
 
He's got issues.
 
1:39 AM
@Lalaland I like sparkly bjarne paysage with philip
 
@ElimGarak Maybe 133 of those are feature requests ;)
 
@набиячлэвэлиь hey I'm using that
... awkward
 
135 issues is not much for a big project tbh
@AlexM. So am I
It's good
 
@ElimGarak GT...Kant finish saying it.
 
1:40 AM
@набиячлэвэлиь so am I
it is good
downloads stuff
without adware and shit
 
> katt
wat
pls speak americana
 
Google: copycat
You need training in Lounge.Memes
 
I think I might have to omit the convenient export of meshes and textures to popular digital creation tool formats because I smell legal problems there. Geralt of Rivia appears in the latest Steam shitpost thanks to Lounge<C++>.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak What's the topic of your book?
 
1:45 AM
@Lalaland Global illumination in realtime, basically realtime rendering with a focus on the PC and not the usual publisher-induced target of consoles.
 
@ElimGarak huh? what
 
user406009
Cool
 
> [...]to guarantee it maintains a frame rate of 60 frames per second (FPS); this is achieved by decreasing its resolution from 1080p during periods of intensive gameplay
meh
Just don't fucking develop for console and yer set
 
what's that, arkham knight
 
@melak47 Well, part of the debugging process I made it possible to dump everything to .fbx and stuff, by analyzing associated semantics (which are pretty generic and easily extrapolated).
 
1:47 AM
@AlexM. Halo 5: Guardians
 
do they still make haloes
 
@ElimGarak Wouldnt be able to do that in opengl
 
user406009
Wouldn't the switch away from 1080p be really jarring?
 
@AlexM. well duh
it sells
 
@ElimGarak how does that lead to Geralt appearing in...what?
 
1:47 AM
@Borgleader Yup, only DX right now.
 
user406009
Seems like a stupid idea.
 
@Lalaland what? jarring how
 
@ElimGarak I mean, afaik in opengl you dont have semantics so you couldnt do that at all.
 
@melak47 People download it... People figure out the export button. People inject it into Witcher 3, people take a capture, people export visible geometry to scene file... people flip assets.
 
@Lalaland most people cant tell the difference between 1080p and upscaled 900p
 
user406009
1:49 AM
@Borgleader just don't tell that to Elim
 
Well, with proper filtering and rendering the UI at 1080p, you can get away with it easy. Especially on consoles where you're sitting pretty far away.
 
@ElimGarak oh, so you released something already
 
user406009
@Borgleader Anyways, I was primarily concerned with the UI. You can notice resolution when rendering text.
 
@Lalaland Practically nothing I say with regards to games is news to him :P
 
user406009
I guess if they are careful enough to render all the text at 1080p ...
 
1:50 AM
@melak47 Not yet, going to take a while, need to swap my GUI system and reconnect it all for something I am comfortable to share.
 
@Lalaland UI usually doesnt cost much, you can probably combine 1080p ui on top of upscaled 900p rendered scene and save a few ms
 
> The new engine runs at a native res of 1280x720.
such pride
much wow
very resolution
 
@ElimGarak so then how did people use your debugging thing if you didn't release it yet :p
 
BF4 ran @ 1280x720 upscaled.
@melak47 Hypothetical scenario, very likely. It happened before actually, with stuff like 3D ripper.
 
> It seems that 343i has put a big emphasis on maintaning a constant 30fps [...]
 
1:51 AM
> Geralt of Rivia appears in the latest Steam shitpost thanks to Lounge<C++>.
 
People throw a fit over resolution but the fact of the matter is it took a long time before anyone noticed Killzone 4 was doing interlaced rendering (effectively running at 960x1080)
 
this doesn't sound hypothetical? o.O
 
@melak47 (joke) :D
 
you funny person you
done preloading fallout 4 yet? :D
 
1:52 AM
I wish, it's slow as fuck. Why does everyone want FO4 right now?
 
its not even out yet... you cant bloody know its amazing
 
lol, Art of Fallout 4 is filled with hyperdetailed meshes.
 
@ElimGarak septuple Titans needed
 
@ElimGarak Looking at your W3 thing, could they sorted by size rather than depth? In hopes the bigger ones will hide a bunch of smaller objects?
 
@Borgleader loool
that makes me want to go to sleep
 
1:57 AM
@Borgleader Many ways, yeah. None is particularly optimal, some overdraw always manages to slip by as sorting is done on a higher level, would be too expensive otherwise.
 
@ElimGarak As long as it's a tool with legitimate purposes, and that part fits with its legitimate purposes, (and it doesn't take any steps to bypass any copy protection), legal problems would be an extremely far-fetched possibility (they can't be eliminated, but they never can be entirely eliminated).
 
But a legal disclaimer would be prudent to have, right?
 
Hm.
 
W3 also has a huge amount of individual draw calls rendering really tiny stuff, although it does utilize instancing to reduce the overhead where applicable.
 
C++14 by default.. or C++11..
 
2:00 AM
@ElimGarak Possibly...hard to say that it couldn't, anyway. On the other hand, somebody could decide to read a disclaimer as almost an invitation to use it in exactly the way you're trying to tell people not to.
 
// static_assert(std::is_trivially_copyable<T>::value, "Object must meet is_trivially_copyable trait");
    // due to it being unsupported in GCC I'm not going to impose a restriction on this yet.
I found this comment in my code
 
@Rapptz Scary what you can find in old code, ain't it?
 
I'm thinking this was ancient GCC
 
has to be
 
2:01 AM
@Rapptz Where "ancient" is something like 4.7 (or so).
 
4.8.2 apparently
was added in GCC 5
yikes
 
@Rapptz How quickly we forget, eh?
 
indeed
gcc 5 is almost a year old by now eh
 
@Borgleader I like HairWorks cuts into the regular rendering flow of the engine, missing head/hair in albedo data, hidden processing, finalizing compositing after participating media is accounted for. :D You can feel Nvidia coming to them later in the development process: "Hey, guys, you should shoehorn this in"
 
@ElimGarak More like "hey guys, heres money, use our product" ;)
 
2:07 AM
:D
 
I actually had hairworks turned on while playing W3
 
I've tried disabling it, it is never truly disabled. :D It's like emulating point lights in an area light system, you just reduce the radius to something really small.
 
@Rapptz I just tried gcc5. It's better gcc49
 
@ElimGarak Probably not, but i thought it added enough to keep it on. Like for monsters and such.
 
HairWorks was pretty
but it raped my FPS
I think after a lot of config messing around I got it to 60fps with hairworks
 
2:09 AM
@Rapptz What GPU do you have?
 
Witcher 3 mostly looked really good, my only qualm with it is the weird separation of sky rendering from world rendering.
 
gtx 970
 
ah, that explains it, i only have a 670
 
@Borgleader Just get a Titan and all will be forgiven (except, perhaps, missing rent for the month).
 
Sometimes the sky is really bright-ish and the terrain is like "fuck you, sky". And sometimes it really came together when the adhoc assumptions matched (clear sunny days).
I am curious, do you guys feel weird outside during overcast weather? In the real world, like the lighting is "off"?
 
2:16 AM
@ElimGarak I thought it was only me.
It's almost scary.
 
Yeah, all grey, uniform and shit. I get all queasy over it.
 
Just don't go outside
 
@Borgleader Have you played HoS (W3)? :D
 
tfw no std::string_view
 
@набиячлэвэлиь What's that?
 
2:19 AM
@Rapptz isn't there stuff like that in the gsl?
 
it's in C++ library fundamentals TS
GCC has it
> An implementation of std::experimental::string_view.
GCC 4.9
 
@ElimGarak Not yet
 
@Borgleader Purrfection. Also, fucking creepy at times.
 
Ell
GU
UK hims
I'm very fuxke
 
2:35 AM
How do you call it those interfaces that you use on a command line and you like write "3" for option #3 or say "y" for yes and "n" for no?
I'm trying to look for a library that simplifies writing those, maybe with cross platform colored output and interfaces
 
CLI? I am reading you right.
 
Tried CLI, CLUI, "Command line interfaces"
 
I made the mistake of drinking an energy drink. It is 3:37am and I want to fucking parachute out of an aircraft and then run 10 km.
 
this doesn't work for me in mingw :v
 
Fucking Windows not being POSIX
 
2:45 AM
Win a socket from '92 in your mouth.
 
@Rapptz works for me.
 
clang produces garbage too
I think I might be triggering UB
don't really see how though considering I keep data alive
 
oh wait
ÓJ­o@
 
yup
 
if it's supposed to output that...then it works fine :v
 
2:48 AM
lol no
 
I dunno how string_view is supposed to work, but how do you expect it to keep the temporary substr alive?
 
oh that's right
I'm making a substring from data
long day
 
hth :v
 
cheers etc
 
r-e-k-t
 
2:59 AM
?
 
@Rapptz I would use perl or Python, so much easier ...
 

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