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5:00 PM
Why are you using Perl
 
uni
 
@AlexM. Stack overflow: overly long words edition.
 
@Jefffrey There was a time when iplementing scripting languages with pragmatic shortcuts was deemed nice and awesome (this was probably a result of years of overly static programming because dynamics were too damn hard). And, unsurprisingly it got overused and gee it bit back in the end :)
 
> Implementations should ensure that all unblocked threads eventually make progress.
 
The answer to any question regarding why I'm doing something stupid is 90% of the times "uni".
 
5:01 PM
I guess.
 
I'm thinking about suggesting SO in Romanian
 
@Jefffrey of course not
 
@AndyProwl The thread that does the stores must make progress at some point, and then the thread that does the loads will see that.
 
@sehe And then came rubby and did all that again for some reason
 
There's no way to order all the loads before the first store, because the loads don't stop until the first store. If there's a store there will be at least one load after it. And the implementation should ensure that that first store will happen.
 
5:01 PM
Some people just don't learn
 
@CatPlusPlus Python too, to some extent. Yeah. Rubby tried to take it a few miles further
@CatPlusPlus Or they have different no taste
 
passing references to type_traits metafunctions results in unexpected outcomes to me, sometimes the reason is far from trivial, like with common_type
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The thread that does the store (i.e. the one destroying the last shared_ptr and decrementing the refcount) will make progress, but the thread that does the loads can simply keep seeing the old value of the refcount and loop forever (which counts as "making progress" as far as I understand, since it's not blocked).
 
@AndyProwl No, it can't because it cannot have all loads happen before the first store.
That would imply the thread with the store never makes progress.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't understand. The thread with the store makes progress - it destroys the last shared pointer -, but the thread doing the while (p.expired()) will always see the old value
 
5:05 PM
@AndyProwl No, it won't, because if a load is sequenced after the store, it must see the value that was put there by the store. And there will be a load after the store because the store must happen, and the loads just keep happening.
That's what sequencing is about.
> Given any two evaluations A and B, if A is sequenced before B, then the execution of A shall precede the execution of B.
 
@jalf I give a fuck about what I expect.
Question: Is it always demeaning to comment on somebody's attire even though they will likely never ever hear/read about it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but isn't "sequenced-before" an intrinsically single-threaded thing?
 
If the answer is "yes," then I argue this is a slippery slope and a way to vilify anybody for anything.
 
I thought that the happens-before relation is what matters here, which combines sequenced-before and synchronizes-with
 
Oh, you're right. Sorry.
 
5:08 PM
If the answer is "no," then the only problem seems to be that I commented on the mathematician's attire in the same time I commented on her talk.
 
I have a mess in my head
 
You don't need that bit, though.
 
@jalf Also, if you are implying nobody gives a fuck about what I give a fuck, then why should I give a fuck about their fucks?
 
For fuck's sake are you seriously still arguing about retarded feminism bollocks?
 
ecatmur's answer started to shed bits of light
 
5:09 PM
@wilx because you were the one claiming "I was being respectful" as a defense? :p
 
@AlexM. goat to hell
 
@AndyProwl Just try sequencing the operations in a way that all loads happens-before the store.
 
but then
@AndyProwl: I think his answer is mistaken. — Jerry Coffin 3 mins ago
:D I'll never get this rip me
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit c'mon, it's a good idea
I haven't goat any lulz today
 
I think Jerry is wrong.
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5:10 PM
@jalf No, I claim it was not disrespectful. It was neutral.
Answer the question.
 
Some people make the step in their intellectual evolution from me-centric to societally conscious. Some people do not.
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@wilx the thing is, your comments weren't aimed at me, so personally I'm not affected by them. I'm simply pointing out that your comment may come across as disrespectful and demeaning. You are of course free to be disrespectful and demeaning, but if you didn't intend to be, then it seems like it would be relevant to tell you this.
@wilx I never claimed it was always demeaning to comment on somebody's attire.
 
But commenting one a person's attire when their attire is not relevant to the situation will often be perceived as disrespectful by that person. Regardless of gender, really. (But it happens more often to women, so people might be less willing to let it slide when it is aimed at women)
 
5:15 PM
(Note "perceived as". I'm not qualified to say whether something is objectively speaking demeaning. Just pointing out that the person you are talking about will often feel that it is demeaning
and if you don't want to be disrespectful, then respecting this seems like a good move ;)
 
user1804599
Hi.
 
> But you should learn how to google this issues or read a good C++ book, because this is very, very basic.
How ironic.
 
Yes, that's why I posted it.
Congratulations on getting the joke :P
 
that guy is doing &a[N] which is UB, no one pointed that out yet?
 
5:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes But why should I? I think it is legal for the looping thread to keep seeing the old value
I feel like a wall but I can't help being one
 
@AndyProwl Because that only happens if all the loads are happens-before the store.
 
@gnzlbg &a[N] is OK as long as it is only one past the end of the array and it is not dereferenced.
 
@wilx a[N] dereferences past the end of the array, and then you take the address of it?
 
@gnzlbg It's controversial
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes My point is that it is legal to have no "synchronizes-with" (and therefore no "happens-before" relationship) between the store and any of the loads
 
5:23 PM
50% of the expert C++ community says it's safe. The other 50% says it's UB.
 
the loads can just keep getting old values
 
@EtiennedeMartel How ironic that all of this is discussed after: "Actually this is not true. – Michael Dorner 51 mins ago".
 
what's illegal is for the load to get the new value and then an older one
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it is not: [] has greater precedence than &
 
@wilx I still don't think it is. I don't buy into this "&* cancels out" bullshit.
 
5:24 PM
but there is no guarantee that they will get a "fresh" value
 
@gnzlbg What does precedence have to do with this? (hint: nothing)
@gnzlbg It is controversial.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm so good.
 
@EtiennedeMartel for a North American
 
&(a[N]), you dereference an element that is out of bounds, possibly in memory outside your process, and then take the address of it
 
@gnzlbg Yes, we know what the line of code does. You're not listening to me.
 
5:25 PM
I should give another read to Concurrency In Action
 
For the record, I personally agree with your assessment. But many others do not.
 
@AndyProwl No, it's not. That would be a race. Pretty much the definition.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How isnt that UB? The moment you do a[N] you invoke UB, whatever happens after that doesn't matter. I mean, what is the argument of those that say it isn't UB?
 
@gnzlbg Go join one of the many very long discussions on the matter
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hmm...OK. But a + N is still valid, it must be or the world ends.
 
5:26 PM
@gnzlbg Mostly a bunch of waffle, but IIRC and if I'm not misunderstanding something their argument typically includes an assertion that &* is a no-op (which is where I think their argument loses all credibility).
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit seriously? people actually argue about it?
 
OK, I guess you were both right.
 
(Ignore operator overloading, of course)
@gnzlbg Oh yes
 
&* is not a noop
 
@wilx Yes you're supposed to do a+N to be "sure" :)
@gnzlbg I really don't understand why you're still telling me all of this?
 
5:27 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sorry
 
@gnzlbg you will be, sunshine!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So basically, your position is that anywhere the standard fails to directly specify: "The implementation of this interface shall be free of bugs", that it's giving implicit permission for bugs to exist, and such buggy implementation shall be considered conforming?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think so: "synchronizes-with" means that load L happens to see the result written by store S. It does not mean that if thread A does load L after thread B does store S, then L will see S's store. It may or may not happen.
And since it may not happen, I'd say optimizing to a while(true) is admissible
 
@wilx yes that is the right thing to do, you can make pointers point to anything, as long as you don't dereference them
 
@gnzlbg That is not true. If you wrote a + N + 1 then you would again have UB.
 
5:34 PM
@JerryCoffin No. You should stop assuming it's a bug in the implementation. Unless specified otherwise, all non-const functions in the standard can introduce races if you use them from separate threads. That's a bug in your code, not the implementation. The standard does go out of its way to specify that all const functions do not introduce races if used from different threads.
 
@gnzlbg a + N is valid because addressing one-past-the-end of any array is explicitly allowed via a special case.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no unless you overflow
 
@gnzlbg How does a + N + 1 not overflow?
 
@AndyProwl No, that's wrong.
If the store happens-before, the load will see what it stored.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the pointer? you would have to check if the address can be increased by 1 or not.. there is a largest address possible depending on pointer type
 
5:36 PM
@gnzlbg What
@gnzlbg "you can make pointers point to anything, as long as you don't dereference them" This is not true. Period
common misconception, primarily from C developers
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nitpicking the register exception?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit int* p = NULL; isn't valid C++?
 
@Mgetz I'm not "nitpicking" anything.
 
not attacking, just curious
 
@gnzlbg Null pointers and one-past-the-end pointers are allowed.
@gnzlbg Other pointers that do not point to an object are not.
 
5:37 PM
@gnzlbg depends on what NULL is defined to be
:P
 
So, a+N is ok but a+N+1 is not
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: Hmmm....I am reading the 2003 standard and I do not see why &a[N] would be invalid. It is literally *(a + N) which according to the standard evaluates to lvalue. Does the lvalue imply access? I do not think so. It seems to me that lvalue only implies address in memory and thus applying & is safe. Well, it is certainly not clear at least to me.
 
stack pointers?
int a;
int b;
int* c = &a;
c--; // c points to b ?
 
I don't think it's even valid if another object b lives adjacent to a in memory.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but happens-before (actually, synchronizes-with) is just the formal term for "L happened to read S's store.". It does not mean that if S is executed in time before L, then L will see S's store. It may be the case that L sees S'store (in which case L synchronizes-with S, unless another load L1 sees that value first, in which case it is L1 that synchronizes-with S), or may not be the case - and in this scenario there would be no happens-before relation between S and L
 
5:38 PM
@wilx It is not "literally *(a + N)"
@wilx It is &*(a+N) and the entire problem is that *(a+N) is UB
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It is, the standard says E1[E2] is *((E1)+(E2))
 
@wilx Indeed, there are those that argue that it's safe because there is no lvalue-to-rvalue conversion
 
@gnzlbg UB
 
@wilx E1[E2] is not the same as &E1[E2]
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But use_count() is const, so yes, my assumption that its introducing a data race would be a bug is fully justified.
 
5:39 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Only if you actually try to read it. Again, I argue that * just makes it an lvalue but that does not imply access and thus UB.
 
@JerryCoffin But the quote does not refer to the execution of use_count.
 
@wilx Yes, that is the argument put forth by proponents of the phrasing. I don't find it terribly convincing, though.
 
It refers to the value returned by it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you are right
 
Ultimately the standard is ambiguous about it, which is why (a) it's controversial, and (b) we should use a+N instead!
@gnzlbg usually :)
 
5:40 PM
@CatPlusPlus vOv I guess you're a dick then
 
computing the address of anything besides a valid object, or one after an array of objects, is UB
 
@wilx for what it's worth, I don't doubt your intentions, and I don't think you're a horrible evil person. :p We've all been called out for similar behavior, often multiple times. Turns out the whole "empathizing with other people whose experiences are different, and who may perceive your comments differently than you intended" business really is hard. Everyone screws it up, and keeps screwing it up.
We're men, people hardly ever comment on our appearance. We'd probably be flattered if someone did (which, in fairness, is something a lot of women don't seem to grasp. Different experiences). But women get those comments a lot. Their appearance is no one else's business, and yet whenever they do anything noteworthy, everyone has an opinion not on what they did, but on their appearance, and how fuckable they are, as if that determined their worth.
Even if her appearance isn't the only thing you judged her on, it still sends the message that her appearance is as important as every other thing you judged. If someone wants to get a message out, then they want the message to get all the attention. They don't want their appearance to be part of the conversation, not even if you like their appearance.
In isolation, an appreciative comment on appearance is not really a big deal (as I said, you or I would probably be flattered, because for most men it is such an exceptional thing). But when it is the norm that your appearance is something everyone has an opinion on and judges you by, it becomes pretty problematic. Context matters. Yes, it sucks when a compliment is perceived as sexism or even harassment. But them's the breaks. In the context of the recipient, it just may have been the latter.
 
@gnzlbg For starters, you don't even know where b lives relative to c.
 
that is, If i want to write a calculator for memory addresses in C++, and use pointers as storage for computations, I invoke UB
 
k, that's it for now :p
 
5:41 PM
It says that, whatever happens that produces that value, was not the fruit of racy modifications.
 
@gnzlbg Or 0
@gnzlbg yes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit implementation defined, typically the stack goes down, and the heap goes up
 
That's also why it's worded awkwardly. If it meant "invocations of use_count don't cause data races", it would be simpler.
(And pointless too)
 
@gnzlbg Highly implementation-defined
@gnzlbg Are those objects even consecutive in memory?
 
an iterator over the stack would have to be a BackwardIterator :D
second example for that :D
@LightnessRacesinOrbit implementation defined again, which does not mean that you cannot check your implementation and see what happens
 
5:43 PM
you're doing it again lol
 
@JerryCoffin That sentence covers all functions that could cause a change in use_count, like reset, or copy ctors, or lock.
 
@gnzlbg no, of course, you can
but this is Lounge<C++>, not Lounge<C++ using gcc v4.9.1 on Centos6.2 x86_64>
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i mean, they don't have to be, playing with the pointer is already UB so..
in Linux the stack grows down, the heap grows up, you can run a program with UB in it and see what happens, playing with the stack can be fun
 
-1
Q: If-else in C++ Programming Language

TombI am a little bit confused about this code. Why does the else block get executed? Please explain it. int a=10,b=20; char x=1,y=0; if(a,b,x,y){ cout << "A" << endl; }else{ cout << "B" << endl; }

if(a,b,x,y)   // Why would anybody write this?!?
 
and then you have embedded systems, where the stack is everything you have, so you better be able to play with it
 
5:45 PM
@gnzlbg I don't bother. I stick to standard-compliant, portable stuff. But then again I'm just fortunate enough that I haven't had to delve into platform-specifics on my projects yet.
@FredOverflow Ignorance?
 
@FredOverflow look at the avatar!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit we do it for our brewery, have a thermometer connected to a rasperry pi, and you read the temperature by reading special addresses, it's highly implementation defined as you say, but it works.
 
-1 because it's off-topic and because you appear to be programming by wildly guessing, which is just never going to work, is it? — Lightness Races in Orbit 9 secs ago
 
@gnzlbg At least read from pointers to volatile.
 
5:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes of course
 
It's amazing how people are too lazy to google things
 
Xeo
Bullshit. Not all conversations! “@paulg: Many conversations on the Internet: Person 1: ∃x P(x) Person 2: -(∀x P(x))!”
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haha
 
@gnzlbg Oh yes I just realised we do it too for reading from memory-mapped PIOs
Forgot cos I haven't had to change that code in like five years
 
probably for interprocess communication people do it all the time too,

you ask the os, where is the inter process shared memory? and the os tells you, is at that magic address (for your process) and there is so much of it
 
@gnzlbg That's not UB.
You're reading from a valid pointer.
 
user1804599
5:53 PM
@Xeo top kek
 
Obtained through magic? Sure. Still valid.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not within the C++ abstract machine you're not
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The abstract machine doesn't have that function.
 
It's incredible how amazing leapmotion and myo armband look in their promotional videos. And amazing how much they SUCK when you actually try them out.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Depends on the kind of magic. Pointers obtained through necromancy are a big no-no
 
5:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Exactly, so it's UB.
 
@Xeo lol brilliant
 
It's not on your heap, it's not on your stack, it doesn't point to any valid object of yours, wait... it's just like calling new malloc :D
 
@gnzlbg Not really no
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit system.cout.printf << $MSG let for = "what about this?' $endl}
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's not like malloc?
 
5:55 PM
btw you can use three dashes in a row for strikethrough
@gnzlbg is what not like malloc?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i mean, some C code gives you an address, and you start doing stuff with it, same thing for interprocess memory
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dereferencing the pointer doesn't lead to UB (in itself) if the pointer is valid. However, including the non-standard header that declares the function you use to get that pointer is a bit different story.
 
Including headers is covered by the standard.
 
@gnzlbg I don't see the relationship to malloc
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Meh, debatable. The standard makes proviso for external libraries. It doesn't require such external function to return a valid pointer, but if the library does...
 
5:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes and no. Certain specific headers are defined by the standard. Others obviously are not.
 
But the behaviour of #includeing them is.
(Don't tell me you're going to give me that nonsense, too)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The standard is quite clear about what a pointer can and cannot point to ("objects"), and it is also quite clear about what "objects" means
I don't see it making any provision for the definition of "objects" being expanded to mean literally whatever kind of resource you can dream up
otherwise why bother with the restriction at all. it would be vacuous
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How do you know the magic function doesn't return a pointer to an object?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You don't. It may do. It may not. It's UB.
C++ is not defined in terms of what might not not happen.
 
What if the library does?
 
6:00 PM
Then hip hip hooray your program will work in practice.
UB allows for desirable outcomes.
 
user1804599
Yay in werks.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, it will work because I called a function that produces valid pointers.
And for all I know, there can be additional objects in the execution environment (which is also another thing the standard acknowledges the existence of)
 
1 min ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
C++ is not defined in terms of what might not not happen.
 
Hmm, I have only just noticed this list: blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2014/11/17/…
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's too early for this shit.
(It's 13:01 here)
 
6:02 PM
I think a much better example for me would be a memory-mapped resource that exposes some interface that you can access using pointer dereference... but which is not a region of "storage"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit See, the point is: I do. It does. It does not not.
 
say, writes to an LED interface or something
although then we go down the rabbit hole of asking whether the LED's state counts as "a region of storage" for the purposes of the C++ object model
 
What makes it not a region of storage?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Quite a bit there is implementation defined. For example: "How the places are specified or the header identified is implementation-defined." So, when I say #include "myfile.h", it would be valid (if surprising) if it actually included the content of some completely different file than myfile.h, or if it simply refused the compile that at all.
 
6:03 PM
@JerryCoffin Yes, but that's not UB.
 
But, again, by that logic any pointer is dereferenceable because everything is an object because everything is a region of storage because the universe is fundamentally composed of information
And clearly that is not the intent of the standard
 
That's implementation-defined, as it says right there.
 
And this isn't a slippery-slope argument; it's just induction
 
user1804599
> I don’t vaccinate my child because it’s my right to decide what eliminated diseases come roaring back
> I might choose to unleash rubella on thousands upon thousands of helpless people, and that’s my decision as a parent.
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
6:05 PM
Isn't the validity of a pointer handled as a hardware check, so on some embeded platforms all memory is good?
 
@wilx "Expression SFINAE: No" is the lamest thing about it IMO
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you suppose when I said: "Quite a bit there is implementation defined." that it might have indicated that I was aware of that?
 
@рытфолд heh
 
user1804599
> Why is the Onion posting facts?
 
And "Variadic Templates: Yes" the most suspicious
 
6:06 PM
@JerryCoffin Well, you brought this up to a discussion about UB.
 
@рытфолд where's that from?
 
I don't understand the relevance then.
 
user1804599
The Onion.
 
okay thanks for your help
 
user1804599
No proble ,Sir...
 
6:07 PM
i have a doubt. about u
 
user1804599
woooo
 
user1804599
Time to implement synactic sugar.
 
user1804599
So that def f(x: t) = …; becomes def f(x)(require x in t) = …;!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The relevance is that the difference between "implementation defined" and "undefined behavior" is primarily that to conform the former requires documentation of what happens--but that documentation can say "anything can happen", and at the present time almost nobody attempts true conformance anyway. In short, there's little effective difference between the two.
 
Oh there is.
It's that difference that allows you to include headers without worries.
 
6:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes And what difference would that be?
 
A big difference is that when the standard says that the places to search are implementation-defined, it means that there are places, and the implementation has to specify them. It cannot say "The places to search are anything can happen".
There's a difference in the leeway given by ID and UB.
I guess it can say that a freshly ordered pizza is one of those places, though.
 
So, a colleague left me a code review comment that essentially amounts to "this could be done this way to be potentially faster".
I rejected it as premature optimization.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes--or it can say: "the standard headers are internal to the compiler, and searching for any and all other headers will fail."
 
Be careful not to reject all possible optimisations as "premature"
 
Which is completely different from saying nothing.
 
6:17 PM
It's no defence for having needlessly suboptimal code
Of course if your code is that way deliberately because it's clearer and more readable and more maintainable than the "optimised" version, and nobody's shown that you need to "optimise" it, then that's fair enough
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's the real point: No, there's really not. There is certainly a widespread assumption that ID has (a lot) less leeway. In reality, that's purely a matter of expectations though. The sole real difference is that "implementation defined" requires documentation--but there's no limitation on the behavior that it can document, including things like "The result is indeterminate and might format your hard drive".
 
user1804599
You can't compare an adjective to a noun.
 
@рытфолд Good for you unless it is from drugs.
 
"real" in this case meaning "actually required by the standard". Of course, out here in reality, we can (and certainly do) have a lot of expectations about quality of implementation that go far beyond what the standard itself requires.
 
i thought the difference between ID and UB is that for ID the implementation actually has to document how it does it, while for UB is not necessary, since anything can happen
 
6:21 PM
@JerryCoffin I think documentation is a big difference.
 
@рытфолд "Loud" is shorter than "antidisestablishmentarianism". There, I just compared an adjective to a noun.
 
implementations might document how they deal with certain types of UB, but those are for me language extensions
 
@рытфолд You can compare their typeids though.
 
user1804599
AsciiDoc is nice.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In theory it should make at least some difference--problem is that (as already mentioned) virtually nobody even attempts full conformance anyway, so a given compiler may easily fail to document its implementation defined behavior. Just for an obvious example, the last time I looked, gcc was missing a good half the documentation that would be required (probably more).
 
6:25 PM
@JerryCoffin I also don't really agree with that.
 
When the standard lets an implementation define the value of an expression, that's it.
The value.
Not pizzas.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're being pizzaphobic... Show some respect!
 
Implementing auto increment IDs in XML with Perl's LibXML library is so much fun.
 
@рытфолд "Red is better than green." #zing
@gnzlbg sure
@Rerito check your pizzalege
 
user1804599
6:30 PM
@Jefffrey Use UUIDs instead of auto-increment IDs. Much easier.
 
yeah, probably
 
user1804599
Hurray.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit On that matter, it's been a while since I last ate a pizza... Huuum
 
@Rerito Hmm yeah I may get one tonight.
@AlexM. what do you think
 
user1804599
def isNaN(x: number): boolean = global.isNaN(x); now compiles to the same code as def isNaN(x)(require x in number)(ensure out in boolean) = global.isNaN(x); does! :D
 
6:32 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Tonight I'm getting pork and apple, turkey breasts, braised rabbit, smoked salmon omelette, baked layered omelette, pasta with spinach, parmesan etc, potatoes, green beans and celeriac, carrots and orange and a gadzoon of windbeutel to follow.
Speaking of which, I have to go.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This was argued long ago, and your side lost. Somebody tried to claim that the (documented) implementation defined behavior of a particular compiler shouldn't be allowed. The committee pretty clearly stated that no, implementation defined gave the compiler completely free rein as to what it did. When the implementation has a choice, but must produce a reasonable result, that's "unspecified behavior" (and the possible results are specified, but documentation of the choice isn't needed).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dear lord, you're gonna eat that all by yourself?!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes fat fuck
 
Design by committee is a good idea that always works out
 
@JerryCoffin Oh well, shame on the committee.
 
6:36 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit mine are already on the way
do it!
 
Also goddammit I have to buy better cooking equipment
 
@CatPlusPlus Same here!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes omg, that's committee-shaming :|
 
@AlexM. haha
you got multiple again
 
yep 1+1 offer
gonna eat pizza tomorrow too
 
6:37 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, we'll talk when you get to see me.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
 
From the sounds of it you'll be at least 20kg heavier by then
 
I'm wondering if I eat this evening. I already snacked like a pig
 
TIL pigs snack
 
6:39 PM
Pigs are crazy mofos
 
> Warning! Your email address is incorrect.
WTF
 
hmm... should I accept a bug being closed if it's fixed on a side branch but not merged to the main one...
 
Why did you let me login, then?
> The last part of your email address is misspelled.
Dafuq is wrong with Dropbox?
 
lol
Some retarded email validation
 
haxor!!!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm pretty sure you don't have enough time for that list right now.
 
Granted, that was six months ago.
 
that bike looks so retro
 
user1804599
hipster
 
you misspelt "30 years" (very 80s)
 
6:43 PM
reminds me of my grandpa's Ucraina
 
where are Ucrainas made?
 
Taiwan
 
Ukraine most likely
since Ucraina = Ukraine
 
@AlexM. It has a smartphone attached to the handlebar, and a powerpack below. Super modern.
 
6:44 PM
were made, it's now an extinct brand
 
That was about a year ago.
 
I hope this does not get closed: stackoverflow.com/questions/27860685/…
 
apparently this was a part on ucraina bikes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes can't find a robot there, just some meat bag
 
I don't know bikes
I don't know what part that is
it looks like the thing you tie the chain to
 
6:46 PM
A replicant is a fictional bioengineered or biorobotic android in the film Blade Runner (1982). The Nexus series—genetically designed by the Tyrell Corporation—are virtually identical to an adult human, but have superior strength, agility, and variable intelligence depending on the model. Because of their physical similarity to humans, a replicant must be detected by its lack of emotional responses and empathy to questions posed in the fictional Voight-Kampff test. A derogatory term for a replicant is "skin-job." (Note: This term reappears in the reimagined Battlestar Galactica in derogator...
 
Blade Runner yaayyy
 
user1804599
@AlexM. some wheel-related part probably!
 
lol linked to Replicators
 
@AlexM. That looks like a gearbox.
 
Oh dammit
Now I have to watch SG-1
 
6:48 PM
@CatPlusPlus What.
Oh, the See Also.
 
@AlexM. planetary gearbox. It is standard.
 
if the standards look so complicated, how do the non-standards look
 
single gear?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So pretty.
 
6:52 PM
If I Google for "how long food fridge" then Google just tells me the answer. How do they do that..?
 
Depends on food
 
The answer to what?
 
I want to eat my left over pita from Wednesday.
 
I can't tell what the question is.
 
If it's only composed of things that don't mold but decay with large halflives then you're fine
 
6:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "How long can left-over food be stored in the fridge?"
(and be safe to eat)
 
@StackedCrooked "0.27 seconds"
 
liar
you are a liar and you lie!
 
@StackedCrooked As long as your fridge is like at 4 °C, I think it should still be safe.
 
I just ate food.
 
@wilx But my fridge 18 degrees celsius.
 

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