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12:03 AM
@JerryCoffin I still have to put up with that shit now. I have one app that will only fit into the available space with one version of the compiler. Later compiler versions overflow the available RAM.
 
LOL
I presume I'm way too late, but this is absolutely hilarious
 
@MartinJames ...and my wife wonders why there are things I can't (or won't) remember from decades ago!
@Columbo Looks like they still have an open goal of $60,000, and everybody who contributes gets a Valve key.
 
@JerryCoffin lol, with the 'correct' version of the compiler, there are two bits free.
 
@MartinJames A free quarter. I'd take that.
 
12:17 AM
@JerryCoffin lol
 
12:35 AM
@Columbo Looks like rightfold's username ATM.
When you Google "Nooble" it shows a bunch of emo kids.
 
When you google "Puppy", you get all kinds of cute things
Something's wrong here
 
I would have thought ADL would have fucked that up.
 
What a lucky bastard.
 
If you google image my username
You get a cute girl.
Neat.
 
12:52 AM
@Rapptz Those are some great function names.
So I googled Puppy.
 
@Nooble Thanks.
 
Sucks.
 
Now that's just sad. He beat his wife with a 2-week old puppy.
Poor guy :C
 
cute/10
 
12:58 AM
why is encyclopedia dramatica so hilarious
the page for naruto is funny as fuck
 
cute/cute
 
@Rapptz I just read the first sentence and I'm laughing because it's hilariously true.
I also have to finish watching it so NO SPOILERS D:
 
@Nooble So just 1?
 
@EtiennedeMartel /1
Which is 100% cute.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun OP might be a massive idiot
 
@Rapptz nice
> C++ is actually pretty OK.
 
@Borgleader The trolling flew right past your head, didn't it?
 
1:14 AM
> He asked for a controversial opinion, not Mein Kampf 2.
lol
 
@Nican No, I found it more likely that someone would be dumb enough to say this
 
@StackedCrooked I've been reading this for like 10 minutes.
I don't know why the link leads to that post.
It's been bugging me. What's the relevance? lol
 
Did he really say that ?
I'm still surprised that I can see deleted questions \o/
@Mysticial No more screenshot requests
 
1:29 AM
@Borgleader :D
This sounds pretty good. Almost better than the original.
 
@Borgleader Yes, yes he did: youtube.com/…
 
@StackedCrooked They're really fast.
 
@Nican This guy
well played sir, well played
 
Opening brace on it's own line? What say you guys? It's pretty controversial.
 
He's pretty fast.
I'm somewhat impressed :p
 
1:41 AM
back
Boost is done. Shocked.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Boost is finally complete? No bugs left? No new versions will ever come out?
 
@Nooble More like "mind-numbing trivia".
@Nican Done building (at a guess).
Or maybe running the regression tests.
 
Evening
 
@Jefffrey I hadn't noticed until you mentioned it, but yes it is.
 
1:43 AM
I'm sorry for not being here too much.
 
I still haven't noticed.
 
:c
 
@Jefffrey Being here too much would obviously be a bad thing. If you were going to apologize, it should be for not being here enough.
 
@JerryCoffin Isn't that what he just did: "apologize for not being here enough"?
 
Ok, I stopped missing the lounge within 5 minutes.
:P
 
1:46 AM
@Nican Are you new here?
 
@Jefffrey You don't like my "getting close to the end of the day" attempts at humor?
 
Horrible SQL
 
@JerryCoffin So close to the end of the day that you missed a "like"
aw shit, you are too fast
 
@milleniumbug "Horrible SQL" is redundant.
 
I'm fighting with queries that look deceptively close to intuitive.
 
1:48 AM
6 hours ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
perhaps this Boost build that's been running for 45 minutes will be done by the time I get back
how the fuck is Andrey still here
 
@Jefffrey It had to happen eventually (though with my lack of typing skill, I guess it's not surprising that it took a while).
 
don't you try to use my message to give the idea that the lounge is unwelcoming
you deceptive lrio
 
how many times are building boost? o.o
3
 
"for every country, find a longest river that flows through the country"
 
It only takes me 5 minutes to build debug + release libraries.
 
1:50 AM
horrible, as grouping should "just work", and yet, it doesn't
 
@milleniumbug MySQL?
 
@Jefffrey MS SQL, actually
 
@Rapptz I've been away this whole time. It could have finished 60 seconds after I left, for all I know.
FWIW I built debug+release mt+nonmt
 
I don't build non-mt.
 
@milleniumbug I dunno why, but anything associated with MS doesn't sound too good.
 
I don't see why I should
Why would I?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It could... if you built it on @Mysticial's computer.
:P
 
Honest question.
 
@Rapptz Nobody is forcing you to
 
No I'm asking a genuine question
 
1:51 AM
@Rapptz I don't have any answer for why you should
Never suggested it, never would
I'm setting up a dev environment and wanted everything there, is all
 
@Jefffrey Haven't used PostgreSQL much, but now I assume the quality works like this: MySQL < MS SQL < PostgreSQL
 
@Rapptz The obvious reason would be that non-mt version may be faster for programs that don't use threading.
 
Mainly because if I don't have to run bjam ever again I'll be happy
 
@Jefffrey Do I know you?
 
This way I give one switch to bjam once and I have everything for ever
 
1:52 AM
Hmm...
 
@JerryCoffin Is that a reality though?
 
@Nooble Nope. I'm new.
 
I'm not sure on the specifics.
 
@Rapptz It definitely used to be real with Microsoft's run time library. I've never done testing with Boost to know.
@Jefffrey Hi New. I'm old.
 
I see.
 
1:54 AM
@Jefffrey Oh no, not the "new"
 
Insurgency is on sale.
Good game btw.
-70% for $5.
 
@Jefffrey But I distinctly remember meeting you, a long time ago anyways. How longs it been? A few years?
 
@Rapptz I'm running low on counter-insurgency, so if it goes on sale let me know, okay?
 
Coffined.
 
@Nooble So long ago I don't remember.
 
1:58 AM
I need a clever trick for SFINAE overloading
 
the clever trick is not to do it :)
 
noob
 
They're all horrible.
WTB Concepts.
 
2:02 AM
Yeah.
 
@StackedCrooked You have a compiler from Norf London.
 
@Rapptz gcc and Clang both implement (at least some form of) Concepts Lite.
 
The goal is to support clang 3.4 and gcc 4.8.1 and higher
Tag dispatching doesn't really help
At the end of the day, the ugly negation of the other predicates is still there.
 
Oops--I was thinking of ConceptClang. Not sure the mainline has any concepts support yet.
 
The ranking trick is "decent" though.
I can't imagine many people being able to understand it though.
Not that it matters much since I'm solo here.
 
2:05 AM
#foreveralone
 
I don't understand pfultz2's obsession with macros.
They make ugly type dispatching even uglier.
template<class T>
TICK_FUNCTION_REQUIRES(is_streamable<std::ostream, T>()
                    and not boost::fusion::traits::is_sequence<T>()
                    and not is_range<T>())
(void) print(const T& x);
 
@Jefffrey Oh well, let me update you on some things: Tony got killed by Scar, Rightfold disappeared and got replaced by his russian cousin, and I got elected as supreme Koala Overlord.
On a serious note, Tony's been gone for quite a while.
 
yesterday, by Tony The Lion
hi
 
Good way or bad way to handle C++ objects to JSON?
 
2:18 AM
const char* =/
 
@Borgleader What the hell.
I haven't seen him.
 
I did that so I could test if const char* wouldn't explode
(it doesn't)
 
(good)
 
Was yesterday the first time he's been on for a long time?
 
Yes
 
2:20 AM
@Rapptz Looks pretty standard to me.
 
...
 
Okay.
 
@Rapptz The "is_user_instance" bit is too brittle for my tastes.
 
@Rapptz hey, nice
good use of C++11 list-initializers
 
The member/member pairs are otherwise cromulent.
 
2:20 AM
you're gonna get fucked in the arse when you try to make that consistent with array types, mind you
yeah your actual JSON "schema" is crap
no offence to it
 
yeah I know
 
@Jefffrey OooOoooh. Three dots! What does it symbolize?! Tell us, oh great wise Jefffrey?
 
Unless the user instance thing is meant to be a one-off, then sure.
 
can we unpin the older Unconference msg now
and when I say "we", I mean the twats in power
i.e. not me
ta
<3
 
I don't know how to handle deserialisation.
 
2:22 AM
well
 
@LucDanton FWIW, I agree with you but I don't know many other ways to do it
I've seen people do uh
 
depends what "it" is I guess
 
Should be dual. How about doing it like in the hash paper?
 
"users": [ { "user": { data here }, "user": { data here } ]
or something like that
terrible example but I hope it gets the message across.
 
meh
"user" is implied
 
2:24 AM
E.g. something like algo("member", member)("member", member).
 
make a property of user
rather than saying again that the whole object is a user
 
@Rapptz I like the MULTICS approach. Don't fiddle with files at all. Everything is virtual memory, and you can give a name to a persistent memory segment (but it always remains in an "in-memory" format). Extend across Internet for extensive goodness.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hm? You mean like my crappy "is_user_instance" thing?
 
@Rapptz Are you trying not to extend the number of object constructors?
 
no
we already know it's a user instance
it's a member of "users"
I don't grok the "user" key
 
2:26 AM
I don't like sites that give me that kind of response either
Just bugs me.
So that way of doing serialisation is bad? Disregarding the user instance thing.
I've been mulling over how to do it.
And deserialising overall seems like a pain that I can't help much with on my side
 
I'm talking about the JSON itself
 
If the number of constructors is a concern, you could use a function as a smart constructor. Go wire_object(options { …options go here… }, …regular initializers…), i.e. wire_object({ user_instance_tag }, { "age", u.age }) in your case.
 
I don't know what you're deserialising or how
 
Well I meant from a library perspective
Like how python's json module has an object_hook which wouldn't work well here because it's C++ and it's not dynamically typed.
 
sorry I think we're talking about completely different things and I can't help you
 
2:29 AM
Do you mean you want the deserialization to figure out the right type, not the caller?
 
It's okay.
I think it's not worth the effort to mull over tbh.
If user A wanted to deserialise it then they'd do it themselves right?
Just parse the JSON and deserialise the data I give them back
 
Eh you can still provide convenience. I.e. JSON object -> UDT.
 
i literally have no idea what's going on right now
 
lmao
 
either I'm too drunk or you monumentally suck at introducing scenarios into conversation :/
happy to blame myself for this one
 
2:31 AM
Could be my fault.
 
what is this place and where did the Lounge go
HTTP/1.1 666 Insufficient Trolling
 
IOW we need to find a horrible question to mock
 
I really hate Java development. I always forget the big picture.
 
Java is a boring language for doing boring stuff
just like COBOL
 
My task is to write an Android user interface XML file loader. The code is very pretty surprisingly ;_;. I just wish this university had more serious C++ people.
 
2:42 AM
@MohammadAliBaydoun Why? Are you prejudiced against humorous people?
 
@JerryCoffin I love humorous people, but in this case, these people are clowns, promoting C and Java ;_;!
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun So what you're really asking for is "fewer stupid people".
 
-3
Q: PHP vs Javascript - which is better for web development?

NikhilaI'm an electrical engineer and new to both PHP and JS. I have a requirement of developing a website for populating some of my data that is essentially on a Linux server. I know that PHP is server side but I read about some frameworks for Javascript (like angularjs, nodejs, bootstrapjs) that seem ...

 
@JerryCoffin I just want someone in the Computer Science department who likes Boost and writing idiomatic C++, and the algorithm-iterator pattern, and everything that's beautiful to me about C++ :C
 
2:46 AM
Computer Scientists do not write C++
I wish Universities would stop calling engineering courses "Computer Science"
maybe they'd get it right if the field were properly called "Computing Science"
sigh
Computer Science is applied Maths. Programming is applied Computer Science. HTH
 
"applied math" lol
 
no, applied Maths
 
same shit different spelling
 
same shit shit spelling
:)
the concept of applied maths is nothing new
after all...
 
Comp Sci is def not applied math
 
2:48 AM
okay mate
it is but whatever
 
hey man
You troll me, I troll you back.
 
That's how it works.
 
I wasn't trolling!!
I thought we agreed we were having a trollfree night!
 
Not with that attitude!
 
2:50 AM
what trolling and what attitude
what
btw WhatsApp is available on web now. it's activated in like 2 seconds via a QR scanned by the mobile app. very smooth
 
I've heard it's terrible
Only works on Chrome and it requires your phone to be on.
 
I use Chrome and my phone is on
:thumbsup:
whose phone isn't on nowadays, anyway?
one could argue that web whatsapp has use because your phone is off, but that's bull
it has use because you're at home and although your phone is fine the web on desktop is easier to use
typing wise
that's my use case, anyway
hi
 
Hi
I'm setting up a VM.
 
keep us informed please
 
Okay.
I'm downloading an Ubuntu ISO
11 seconds left.
5 seconds.
 
2:58 AM
what have I done
 
I am now moving my cursor.
And right clicking "show in folder"
 
curious to see how long it takes you to get bored of this kind of thing
 
I'm now dragging the ISO to a folder
 
I need to be conscious 5h from now. This is going to be hard.
 
3:00 AM
I'm now setting the ISO in VM to the ISO I downloaded.
 
the consciousness thing, I mean
Plonkle
 
Hehe.
 
is that all you've got
 
Yeah.
Detailing an installation would be quite painful.
 
I'm now banging my head against a keyboard
 
3:01 AM
@MohammadAliBaydoun Try not doing that.
 
nah have at it son
 
I have been actively NOT banging my head against a keyboard for a large amount of time
 
It's cold in here.
Maybe I should close the window.
Or get dressed. Or both.
Both it is.
 
Hi.
Why are you up at this time?
 
3:07 AM
that is a good question
wait
fuck that really is a good question
BYE
 
Wait, now who do I chat with?
 
RIP
 
RIP in peace
 
RIPIP in peace
 
3:25 AM
@Rapptz Hey are you still worrying about that bit regarding deserialization?
 
I re-wrote it in C also
 
@LucDanton Yeah a bit
 
@Rapptz Silly PoC in the style of 'Types don't know #'. (Scroll down to /*** HERE ***/ for the UDT stuff.) I hope that was what you were after.
So ya know, not even JSON-aware stuff.
 
Seems complicated
 
3:37 AM
There are several parts about it though, each making individual sense.
 
I imagine this would probably need a rewrite of the parser code though
 
I.e. the first few function templates are shims that forward and are here to get the ADL ball rolling. The algo functors are one way to handle the actual serialization. And then there are the algorithm-agnostic UDTs.
 
It's neat though
 
ioread and iowrite are convenience stuff, too. The UDTs don’t (and shouldn’t) use them.
You might as well rename serialization to for_want_of_reflection.
 
I once had to explain the difference between camel-case and camel-toe
 
4:07 AM
Btw @LucDanton I see you enjoyed the Types don't know # talk/concept :p
 
I think we discussed it on two occasions here. Although I don’t exactly remember who that particular 'we' was.
FTR running parser backwards (to produce a serializer) is a thing.
2 hours ago, by Luc Danton
Should be dual. How about doing it like in the hash paper?
 
4:28 AM
Also, free upgrade to Windows 10 from 7/8 for the first year after the release.
Sooner or later the upgrade won't become a choice as Windows becomes more service-y.
 
You probably need window glasses for window 10 & that's going to cost you a fortune
 
Probably $1.5k-ish. Don't know. They aren't really concerned with the price, like that of Surface.
 
It's like selling you a large sponge cake for 99c but charge you $5.10 when you buy a small bottle of jam/cream filling to go with the cake
 
@chmod711telkitty Of course no. lol
 
wasn't valve doing some AR thing that got spun off into its own effort
 
4:36 AM
Now if they just solve multi-monitor independent scaling.
 
also why are they calling it a hologram... thats infuriating
 
@Pris It doesn't block your view of the actual world, and it's a concept that's virtually the same as that of the product.
Pedants shouldn't do marketing. :P
 
@MarkGarcia its a 'virtual hologram' at best. It has a proper name, augmented reality
 
I made hologram using both laser & computer generated technology nearly 15 years ago in uni
 
@Pris So you want AugReaLens? :P
 
4:38 AM
Such backward technology
 
Or VirtuaHoloLens? :D
 
@MarkGarcia i dont care what they call it so long as they dont bastardize typical nomenclature
@MarkGarcia idunno its just a pet peeve of mine when people stop calling things what they are because of marketing
 
@Pris If we know, then it doesn't matter if others know too. Most people don't care, and it isn't bad naming actually.
 
I think it's pretty sh!t when modern technology requires me to cover my eyes with glasses like things that I don't really need. Especially hate the bulky ones ...
 
@chmod711telkitty Google Glass was on the extreme side of things. Forcing itself to be ubiquitous and always-on. I don't think that bulky MS's is meant to be worn all the time.
 
4:46 AM
I am an absolute minimumist when it comes to appeals - not even ear rings or necklace
@MarkGarcia How many loungers do you think would enjoy wearing Microsoft glasses?
 
@chmod711telkitty If any one gets to buy one, that is. :)
Depends mostly on apps that will support it.
> because you are our customer, not our product
I interpret that as "you will pay us".
 
A holographic weapon sight or holographic diffraction sight is a non-magnifying gun sight that allows the user to look through a glass optical window and see a reticle image superimposed at a distance on the field of view. The hologram of the reticle is built into the window and is illuminated by a laser diode. == History == The first holographic sight was introduced by EOTech in January 1996. == Overview == Holographic weapon sights use a laser transmission hologram of a reticle image that is recorded in three-dimensional space onto holographic film at the time of manufacture. This im...
They're not bastardizing anything.
 
"reticle image that is recorded in three dimensional space onto holographic film"
that is a hologram because its light interference causing a 3d volume. pretty sure the hololens or whatever its called is just augmented reality; that is it is specifically a 2d display that changes what you are shown based on head tracking and camera or whatever
 
@Pris What about stopping misusing "AR"? That's a category error.
 
4:59 AM
whats a category error
 
"AR" is a term that applies to a different level of discourse. It doesn't describe an imaging technique or technology or whatnot.
@Pris Also, "pretty sure"
 
augmented reality is the common term used for what microsoft is doing. there are tons of libraries out there that will take a 2d/camera image and insert virtual objects in it... "https://www.artoolworks.com/community/osgart/", "http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/ar-cards"
*libraries and devices
 
@Pris Yes, and it has no implication of 2D or of hologram or of not-hologram or anything.
It doesn't describe technology.
It doesn't matter how the information is overlaid on top of reality.
 
i concede that AR encompasses any form of overlaying information on top of reality, but I still think that using 'hologram' to describe what ms is doing is wrong
(semantically)
probably a great idea from a marketing pov
 
@Pris Why is it wrong?
You're only "pretty sure" it is what you described.
 
5:07 AM
I have 2 pairs of sunglasses in my car - one costed $300+ one costed $500+, I am only wearing them if I risk sunburn my eyes.
I am not a fan of wear glasses & if I could get away with it I would be wearing undies at home in summer ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes true, they could be doing something thats creating a real 3d image
i guess we'll find out more when they release some actual information on it
 
 
1 hour later…
6:28 AM
@Rapptz I was thinking about my remark re: reflection and wondering if I would ever consider writing an (appropriately) generic describe for my UDTs. I was kinda peeved that this seemed irreconcilable with Fusion-style compile-time reflection—but then I realised that if you slap constexpr on it you can go Hana with it. Food for thoughts.
 
6:41 AM
Why do I think my chickens are smarter than most of those so called A.I. That I came across?
 

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