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3:00 PM
@StackedCrooked haha lol, what distro are you running?
 
Not Gentoo
 
user1804599
Someone bring me bockwurst plix.
 
user1804599
With mayonnaise and mustard.
 
why does every non-computer person talk about the cloud like it's some magical entity from another dimension?
 
user1804599
Because it is.
 
user1804599
3:03 PM
The butt is magic.
 
@Casey I suppose writing an answer was too difficult? — rubenvb 6 secs ago
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wokay!
 
@sehe don't go too far once he gets old; I appreciate the things I learn when behaving like this with my parents
 
3:07 PM
but it certainly sets us apart, and damages our relationship
I've started thinking thrice whenever my mother asks for help
and unless I have an absolute emergency, I don't expect to receive help from my parents without having to give something back
 
@sehe FWIW CyanogenMod has had this for three years or so now.
 
Ok, quick poll: Which of you guys use 2 factor logins (e.g., for Google accounts)?
 
Apparently it's still in the 4.4 ROM, just more hidden
 
my grandma is like "wth, what does it mean for your son to have a debt to you?"
 
@VáclavZeman what's that
 
3:09 PM
@Crow this is a great band alright
@VáclavZeman me
@Jefffrey something actually more reasonable than just a password.
 
@VáclavZeman Why wouldn't you use when it's available
 
@AlexM. I also have a loan from mine at the moment, with an interest rate. They win and I win, since it's somewhere between bank loan rates and interest rates.
 
It's not a replacement for a password
 
@CatPlusPlus "two-factor" > password :P
 
3:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Only for some or everywhere where it is available?
 
@AlexM. oh ahah. that way. I guess I learned it, mainly because there wasn't anything to spare.
 
@VáclavZeman everywhere
 
I just hooked him to try to make me forget about repaying. I calculated that if I "forget" to repay for 300 weeks, I'll be due 30 EUR in interest. Bet he'll be awful silent about this loan for a whil :)
 
@CatPlusPlus Because it requires me to have my phone at my side all the time, sort of...
 
@AlexM. or vice versa, as in this case :)
 
3:10 PM
@VáclavZeman which is what you should be doing anyway
 
@VáclavZeman Yes, that's the point
 
until Google Glass becomes powerful enough to dump the shitscreens on shitphones
 
@BartekBanachewicz what
@BartekBanachewicz nice slippery slope argument. #nologic
 
@AlexM. I've seen things go wrong with "family loans" too. Having a (symbolic) interest will make people remember it's actually a loan, and it's expected to be repaid
 
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@sehe Family loans are the worst.
 
3:12 PM
Agreed
 
I have it turned on for Google. I am pondering if I should turn it on for Github as well. Will the uploaded SSH keys function still? Does Github use 2FA only for its web/APIs?
 
user3010322
If anything the "family" part just means "never pay you back at all."
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit if I didn't have the apps I use, I'd stop using a smartphone, so not really.
 
user3010322
Either that or "ridiculous highway robbery."
 
I don't loan money and when I do I don't expect it to be repaid. Don't tell any of my debtors.
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3:12 PM
@AlexM. same. I think that's healthy at my age
@R.MartinhoFernandes You know where my donate link is.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why not? If they decide not to repay you because you don't expect it to be repaid, that would still only be the expected outcome.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pretty much my stance.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, I see; the entire premise of fine-grained app permissions across the world is defined only by what Bartek uses on a day-to-day basis
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you got it!
 
But if I don't want to use Facebook to record audio, I fucking damn well don't want them to be able to activate my microphone on a whim. Are you serious?
 
3:14 PM
@VáclavZeman 2FA is only for web interface login.
 
it is a tad disturbing, but then again I want to use facebook on my phone
 
@sehe a family loan can also be used as an excuse for other things
 
it's either accepting that or not using it.
 
@CatPlusPlus That would actually be a really good game!
 
Repo access is still the same old SSH key pair stuff.
 
3:15 PM
my dad had a (huge) debt towards someone close to us, and until he paid it off, those guys sure enjoyed coming to our orchard just to eat stuff without any worries
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Put it up on the Play Store and have it require ridiculous permissions like erase all data on the device.
 
they stopped doing so afterwards, more or less
 
@BartekBanachewicz Use the website.
 
@DeadMG But it's nice to get money you were not expecting.
 
oh, I was just watching Scott Mayers' C++11/14 training, and in the end he made a reference to @R.MartinhoFernandes' "Size matters" series as a recommended reading about std::tuple layout
 
3:16 PM
:D
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which is exactly what is so fucking wrong with all of this.
 
I did get a unexpect scholarship once - that was nice :p
 
but I guess that was also my dad's fault; he really doesn't mind giving things to people
 
@Abyx Ah, yeah, sbi told me.
 
if that orchard was mine, I'd give each family member a bonus portion of cherries, and sell all the rest for profit
 
3:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that like, it's nice when your code compiles on MSVC, since you were expecting an ICE?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes FWIW, the new iOS was fabled to have some form of permission management, IIRC.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it is in a way, but knowing there's someone in the family ready to help you unconditionally is also good
 
@BartekBanachewicz You install an app and everything is fine and few months later they push an update that you can only get if you sell them a kidney.
 
Of course all CyanogenMod-supported phones are not in my price range
 
3:18 PM
there's ubuntu phone too :P
anyway my classes end this week
 
Oh wait, L7/L9 are listed but newer ones aren't
 
if I stay alive it basically means that only exams remain
not going to the uni is best thing ever.
 
But it's CM 10 urgh
 
speaking of which, if the current 2nd dwelling project does not get approved from the local government/certifier authority soon I will start to get into financial difficulties - never thought people are so bloody slow. I probably need to end up selling myself - anyone want to rent your 220 pound, 58 yo grandma for the next 3 months?
 
@CatPlusPlus Define "supported". There's a ton of community efforts
 
3:21 PM
The freaking truth is that the project should be approved by the end of this week because I was promised so, but the f*cking people told me last minute something major need redesign
 
CM is a community effort
 
@rubenvb Well officially supported by the CM team
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, ok, unofficial community efforts.
 
I.e. least likely to break in disturbing and funny ways
 
lol
 
3:21 PM
and don't bother installing it if you don't have a high-end phone
 
Gotcha.
They used to have a lot more supported phones
 
despite what they claim, it's actually slower than stock IME
 
I remember my HTC Legend having CM 7.2.
 
@rubenvb there are 3 mainline releases
 
That was awesome.
 
3:22 PM
the only time I installed CM was when I was using my Xperia X8
 
2-based, 4.0-based and 4.4-based I think
 
officially supported up to 2.1, I got it to run 2.3 through CM
 
I'd install it just for App Ops
 
I'm not sure I like the idea of using software not officially supported by the guys that make software not officially supported by the guys that make the devices.
 
it was faster than Sony's android
 
3:22 PM
well fuck branded android
it's the worst shit.
 
who's up for a game jam on august?
 
@Jefffrey I suggested one on 22-23, this month
3 hour, CLI only
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's more of: use everything the cool kids use, except we threw together some driver libs and perhaps thin wrappers for old blobs.
 
I ain't writing nothing for CLI
 
@Jefffrey meee
 
3:23 PM
@CatPlusPlus you did write a CLI game last time o.O
 
We've got an Allegro-based terminal working :v
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's pretty much just as bad as other Android, except with a few extra megs of stuff.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol, july and september are off for me...
 
@BartekBanachewicz Uh, no?
 
@CatPlusPlus terminal-emulation is fine.
 
3:24 PM
That's arbitrary as fuck
And silly
 
no?
you have to use characters to represent objects
or simply use text.
want a 10-page PDF specification?
 
I don't see a point in rules like that
 
Push everything to a QLabel!
 
Make a font with pics!
 
lol
 
3:25 PM
Make a font with coloured pics!
 
@CatPlusPlus You don't have to see the point in the rules to obey them :)
 
(in the future) Make a font with animations!
 
Alas, I'm more than happy to listen to constructive feedback
 
I think that every kind of game should be allowed.
 
I think @Andy made a very good point when we talked about that.
 
3:25 PM
There's a monthly game dev jam here in Berlin.
 
People overshoot.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Wrong use of 'alas' again
 
@Xeo god damn it.
 
Xeo
alas == sadly
 
I know, I keep forgetting :/
 
3:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz that's their problem? It's part of the challenge to be able to dose your goals.
 
@Jefffrey and the challenge has proven to be too hard.
it helps to restrict and it helps if it's shorter.
 
those are considerations for your own self
shouldn't be enforced on everyone
 
I mean, shorter = hours of jam.
 
oh
 
@Jefffrey you might also just write a game that's not on a jam, FYI
 
3:27 PM
I'd actually go with a 24+ hours game jam
 
I think you're approaching this from the wrong angle.
 
I'm cool with any sort of jam really
CLI sounded interesting
 
Jams are supposed to be twisted.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What a coincidence. I do too. :)
 
If you want to create a 2-day project with 3d graphics, go for it.
 
3:28 PM
@Jefffrey What, you mean like the Great Lounge Game Jam Killer
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You don't have to do that on the jam in particular.
 
...
 
And shorter ones are fun, and everyone is around.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes snigger
 
So far shorter ones went better, so I opt for 3-4 hours max.
 
3:29 PM
this is what I proposed on gd.se before being removed
> each participant chooses a gameplay concept from an existing game, and builds a game around it, trying to give the concept a twist or making it better.

So a submission would look like:

The core concept and the game it originally belongs to.
How it was implemented in the participant's game and, if applicable, what the twist and/or improvement is.
The submitted game itself.
 
@AlexM. yep
I took a loan from them in order to pay the deposit on my mortgage (disclaimer to anyone from the bank listening: no I didn't! I'm lying)
 
@BartekBanachewicz fun for who?
 
but they wouldn't charge me for help if I were in trouble
 
Leverage.
whistles
 
hmm
yeah I didn't think that through
 
like I said though it's not true just a hypothetical scenario in my guise as this fictional character on the internet
anyway, moving on..
 
@Jefffrey I think for most of the people participating.
 
@EtiennedeMartel wtf that has to be an extension?!?!?!
 
@AlexM. Sounds like standard issue game development process.
 
3:31 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Except without the making it better part.
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
@Jefffrey it's easier to allocate 3 hours than 30, and it hurts less if you waste all that time for a game that doesn't work/is shitty
 
what I had in mind was something like...
 
I'm running Paranoia on the 22nd, so I'm out.
 
3:31 PM
people taking bunnyhopping from Quake and adding hopping chain bonuses or something
 
also bigger projects push for tests, docs, better planning
it's about making a game quickly, not about whole shebang dev process, IMO
@R.MartinhoFernandes 21?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Preparation for running the game.
 
Gah! I noticed the other day that most of our functional tests are written like, "this" with commas before every fucking, "quoted phrase" or term. And now I can't unsee it — I'm spotting it in bug reports, code comments, documentation..... arghgahrgharga
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Isn't that wonderful?
 
@EtiennedeMartel totally
 
3:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz The weekend after is also out for me. Going to the Sternenpark Westhavelland.
But I don't mind you guys desperately trying to have fun without my presence.
 
boost::bind(
    static_cast<void (boost::asio::io_service::*)
        (
            boost::_bi::protected_bind_t<
                boost::_bi::bind_t<
                    void,
                    boost::_mfi::mf2<void, MyClass, int, int>,
                    boost::_bi::list3<boost::_bi::value<MyClass *>,
                    boost::_bi::value<int>,
                    boost::_bi::value<int>
                >
            > > const&
        )>(&boost::asio::io_service::post),
    &ios_,
    boost::protect(boost::bind(&MyClass::func, this, 7, 42)));
weehoo. I created a monster! (educational only stackoverflow.com/a/24166718/85371)
 
Xeo
... why
whyyyy
 
You created a, "monster"
Go fuck.
 
@AlexM. see, famliy loans suck
@Xeo look up a line
 
3:41 PM
I think my client might be paranoid :|
 
@Griwes I'm mansplaining the limitations of bind expressions with member function overload sets to a (clueless?) SO user :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Or, campaigning for a better middle ground instead of being a pussy and becoming part of the problem through wilful ignorance and neglect
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit orthogonal
 
@BartekBanachewicz How?
 
You can use and protest, not use and protest, use and not protest, or not use and not protest
I use and not protest, but I am all for you if you want to change it.
As in, I agree.
 
3:43 PM
So now you're backtracking.
 
I just don't have the time for leading a marketing campaign, you see.
 
At the beginning you said it didn't matter and nobody should care.
Now you "agree" but want to use the apps regardless. Um, just like the rest of us.
 
And something about "paranoid freaks".
 
I wonder what agreeing with "paranoid freaks" makes you.
 
3:44 PM
a dick
 
a freak, no less.
okey, okey
you've raised my awareness
let's change the topic.
 
@BartekBanachewicz "okey okey"? what sorcery is this.
Is this Polish for "Okay dokay"?
 
dunno, we just say "ok, ok"
 
the hell
 
3:48 PM
@BartekBanachewicz You can't bring yourself to say "I was wrong; you are right", can you?!
 
dropping more !modern arabian music: youtube.com/watch?v=wpkAGGC7OYM
 
if I have a csv, and want to construct a database initialized with its data, is there any way to imply the type of each field within the csv when it is created?
 
i read that as, "indian arabian music" for some reason
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you don't listen very well
 
@Jefffrey I'm glad they enjoy using the C Preprocessor
@sehe What's wrong now?
 
3:49 PM
"Een goed verstaander heeft maar een half woord nodig" (The good listener needs but half a word)
 
what the fuck
 
:) As always, racing to take thing lightly
(now where do I leave the orbit)
 
I think you've misunderstood what just happened. Bartek totally reversed his view so that it ended up matching ours, then explained it away with "you've raised my awareness; let's move on". This means that he had realised the nonsense of his ways and was flirtingly waving it off in [probably feigned] embarrassment.
Cheers & hth.
 
3:51 PM
Don't eat cats
 
Dec 30 '13 at 9:49, by FredOverflow
That was quick, the reply only took him 80 minutes :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah yeah. I'm much impressed with the drama
 
user3010322
@FredOverflow What did he saay?
 
user3010322
You never posted the response. D:
 
Of course I'm a paranoid freak. I play NetHack. Paranoia is the one mandatory characteristic you need to beat NetHack.
 
3:54 PM
Dec 30 '13 at 9:49, by FredOverflow
user image
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user3010322
Oh
 
user3010322
It just says Thanks
 
Surprise
 
Paranoid is the only way to do security
 
user3010322
Well, that's a boring response, but nice I guess.
 
user3010322
3:55 PM
@CatPlusPlus How's that tool you were managing going?
 
Still documentin'
 
In other news FUCK MASKED PASSWORD INPUT
 
betterR?
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus What was the point of masking passwords, again?
 
Xeo
3:57 PM
@CatPlusPlus So annoying
@ThePhD People looking over your shoulder or something
 
user3010322
Is there a hack that grabs things pre-render?
 
Xeo
I like it when they allow you to disable that shit
 
I don't mean the stars, I mean input that only takes random letters out of the password
Well, characters, w/e
 
Xeo
wat
 
Banks love 'em
 
Xeo
3:58 PM
my bank likes 5-char-max passwords
 
user3010322
Does that... make it... easier to crack...?
 
Xeo
which is why my login name is my real password
 
THEORETICALLY it means a keylogger won't grab your password in one go
 
Xeo
which isn't shown elsewhere
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus I don't get it.
 
3:59 PM
But it's such a non-issue (esp with autotype via password databases, that mitigate keylogging somewhat) it only ends up being annoying
 

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