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4:00 PM
Buuurgers
You have to get past first layer of HR to have people care if your claims are substantial or not
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He has mastered that skill to perfection.
 
Can't understand why you're trying to school us on stuff that you are only talking about because you openly admit you don't have any experience with it whatsoever.
 
Mass filtering through wades of crap doesn't lend itself to care or clicking anything
 
I'd fix that before fixing your CV.
 
I'm not trying to school you on anything, I'm simply saying that it doesn't make a lick of sense to me.
 
4:02 PM
World doesn't make sense
 
@DeadMG Whoever said that HR people think the same way you do?
 
You're painting that as if we're all wrong. Instead, realise that it's because you don't have any experience with it whatsoever.
 
As proven by the fact that Godzilla is being rebooted once again
How many movies about this shit can you make
 
@CatPlusPlus ahahahah
@CatPlusPlus As many as it takes for everyone to get really tired of it and for them to realize they're just wasting money and not making any
 
FWIW it makes plenty of sense.
 
4:03 PM
@CatPlusPlus According to critics, it's pretty decent.
 
people take well-written newspapers more seriously than rags that use three-letter words all over the place
it's obvious
 
an old mate invited me to watch Godzilla with him this Saturday
 
Pretty decent, or pretty decent for a Godzilla movie
 
it should be fun
 
well, it's not obvious at all, at least to me.
 
4:03 PM
@DeadMG Its not rocket science, I assure you.
 
Right, so what do you think your next action should be when you find something unobvious and literally everybody else finds it normal and obvious?
 
Shoot everyone
 
well, I'm trying to understand why everybody else thinks it's obvious.
 
@CatPlusPlus Pretty decent for an American summer blockbuster.
 
@DeadMG and what exactly don't you understand?
 
4:05 PM
ok
 
You're not, really. You're just saying "no that's wrong" "I doubt that" "I certainly am not going to be..." "quite the reverse" "there's nothing gained"
All purporting to know contradictory facts
 
@TonyTheLion Oh yeah - and don't forget puppy KSP skills:)
 
fundamentally, my CV is always going to be full of unsubstantiated claims about me, so I don't understand how rewording or expanding those claims is going to assist in anything.
 
ooh yeah KSP
 
you need more marketing there
 
4:06 PM
they're still totally unsubstantiated and the only way to know if I'm talking out my arse or not is check up on it
 
actually might be worth noting as a hobby
physics knowledge and that
 
orbital dynamics :P
 
@DeadMG Right, so, finally, you're admitting that you don't believe us
you can't "check up on it"
you go through it
in life
 
I used such pretty words to hide the fact that I had no previous experience back when I was freelancing, heh
it wasn't really a lie
but hey
I don't feel that guilty
 
you're alive
 
4:07 PM
and I did deliver
so any misleading stuff was worth it in the end
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Do people really put hobbies in CVs?
 
Hobbies: making fun of stupid people
 
Don't forget that, if you have little to no experience, you're going to get hired based on your potential. Which means you have to show you have room to grow. Which means you need to keep a open mind and not reject anything that seems "unobvious".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've seen it. I choose depending on the company
@EtiennedeMartel heh
I can imagine Puppy going in for interview and coming out ten minutes later having told them all that everything they were doing is wrong
 
4:10 PM
it doesn't seem unobvious, it seems utterly nonsensical.
 
Well, it's not.
It's frankly basic human psychology
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wisdom is waiting until they hire you to do that
:v
 
@CatPlusPlus Yep ;)
 
Because let's be honest they probably do everything wrong
 
Like using VS.
 
4:11 PM
Or hiring people like Puppy
No offence ;p
 
Well, most places do stuff wrong. Good places know that and are working towards reducing the amount of stuff they do wrong.
It's like a limit. You're never gonna reach it, but you can at least try to get close.
 
I'm making changes in mine!
 
I've managed to drive down the amount of crap we do wrong so much over the last four years. But it's never over
hey, we all just said the same thing at the same time. nice!
 
Mwahaha I can make people do things RIGHT
 
I'm particularly proud of fixing our versioning and tagging policies
Oh, and introducing nightly builds
(inb4 integration server fuck off)
 
4:12 PM
I have CI in todo
 
I don't
overrated
 
CI, overrated? Why I never.
 
OH not you again!
 
Since I got here, most of my work was fixing up the mess left by the previous technical director's lust for buzzwords.
 
AS real as… something very real!
 
4:14 PM
And we have good issue tracking now. And we're working on automated testing.
 
@EtiennedeMartel too much of le XML?
 
Most things are overrated.
Like VS.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Too much of "hey, this library looks nice, let's plug it in!"
 
(I'm overdoing it, am I not?)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. But knowing is half the battle.
 
4:15 PM
Not my fault if it keeps being ever so slightly relevant.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What, that taking unsubstantiated claims and rewording them makes them better? Seems to me like you're still left with a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, and the same ones everybody makes to boot.
 
@DeadMG Not just rewording them. Adding detail. My versions were not simply rewritten versions of yours. Read them again.
 
@DeadMG This is not science. You don't have to back everything you say with hard facts. Working for someone involves building trust, you know.
 
@EtiennedeMartel inb4 I want scientific papers
 
There are things you're good at that you take for granted. Talk about them in your CV, in professional adult language.
If you really can't grasp this then maybe do some academia for a bit before going back to work.
 
4:17 PM
Your (hopefully) future employer trusts that you're not lying to his face, just like he trusts you to do your work properly.
 
But if your only problem is that these claims are unsubstantiated, then why don't you just hand in a totally blank CV and see what happens...
 
what I'm clearly not good at is handling the rest of society, who appear to fall over drooling for suits and buzzwords.
 
Huh?
One of the first things I said was that you don't need to use buzzwords. You're totally mincing my words, like Captain Strawman over there.
Using longer words does not mean you have to use shitty marketing buzzwords. It only means that you do not appear to be a 12 year old :)
 
excuse me
that was general sarcasm
 
@DeadMG General Sarcasm? ;)
 
4:18 PM
Somewhere, outside of puppy's line of sight, is something called "the point".
8
 
I didn't mean to aim it at you
 
perhaps a Private Joke
2
 
@EtiennedeMartel He's missing it by a mile.
 
Sergeant Stupid
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes HAHA I'LL REMIND YOU
 
4:20 PM
Corporal Cun+
 
Now now
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not really, just more beneficial for some cases more than others
@EtiennedeMartel Third party first :v
 
You will find, though, that if you subscribe to Cat's anti-professionalism bullshit and take it to work with you, you're not going to last very long. It sounds a bit like that may be the problem here.
@CatPlusPlus fair enough
 
I'm with my company for 3 years now :v
 
@CatPlusPlus Are there any other employees?
 
4:22 PM
Yes
 
woah when did you get to 50k repz??
 
Funno
 
So is somebody getting a job here?
 
@minitech Not at this rate, no.
 
Xeo
Nope, we're all cell-dwellers without jobs
don't want any
 
4:25 PM
Gotta find a thing that's minimum effort for maximum benefit
 
Xeo
winning the lottery
 
Garbage collection.
 
Doing nothing.
 
Suicide.
Being an SO mod.
Pretending to have CRIPPLING STOMACH PAIN for three years.
the list goes on ;p
 
My benefit, not some random scrubs
 
4:27 PM
The last few items in your list are redundant
 
er, pretending?
 
Also :lol: I'll take suicide before being an SO mod
 
I won't. I can't fathom ever picking suicide.
 
Xeo
*can't?
 
user1804599
4:28 PM
@Xeo celldweller <3
 
also, it's three years and four months.
 
Oh, you have crippling stomach pain?
Sorry to hear it.
 
user1804599
Lounge<C++> is the perfect place to dwell.
 
not anymore, motherfucker.
4
 
He's trading it for crippling drug addiction
 
4:29 PM
hence me dusting off my CV
 
You made a website, so you can put 'web developer: intermediate' on your CV
 
Are you interested in a job, @DeadMG?
I can hook you up with a small Joomla web development firm
 
LOL
 
isn't that stuff PHP?
 
If you want webdev then look around for Python shops
 
4:31 PM
@DeadMG Theoretically, yes.
 
It's trivial to get into
 
hmmm
it's an interesting question
 
No gold at the end of the rainbow.
 
would I rather be an unemployed bum living at home with his parents
or a PHP developer.
 
4:31 PM
PHP dev.
 
Joomla is shit
 
Joomla is worse than PHP
 
Even for PHP standards
 
@CatPlusPlus, where are you working again?
 
@Jefffrey ~a place~
 
4:32 PM
Our customer-facing branded website is Joomla driven. Just...don't do it.
 
From PHP CMSes Drupal is workable and the rest is 'nuke it from the orbit' territory
(Yes that includes Wordpress)
 
On the other hand, Joomla does have plugins that will filter XSS right out of your queries.
Using .htaccess files.
 
:lol:
 
Will it filter itself out of itself?
 
user1804599
@minitech reminds me of magic quotes lel.
 
4:33 PM
Nuke Explodes in Orbit
@rightfold kik
 
@rightfold Yeah, PHP has really gone down the tubes lately
At least you can still extract($_GET)
 
er, "lately"?
 
user1804599
PHP is being improved.
 
user1804599
But still avoid at all cost.
 
It’ll never be back to the good days of PHP/FI 2.
 
4:35 PM
You can write Perl instead
 
user1804599
Or Haskell.
 
user1804599
Nah nvm, webdev ecosystem in Haskell is terrible.
 
<?
    if($age>50);
        echo "Hi $name, you are ancient!<p>";
    elseif($age>30);
        echo "Hi $name, you are very old!<p>";
    else;
        echo "Hi $name.";
    endif;
>
 
Psst Perl is not good
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey you want colons, not semicolons.
 
4:36 PM
print scalar reverse ",rekcah lreP rehtona tsuJ"
 
@rightfold No?
 
user1804599
Oh, ancient version.
 
I'm amazed that mod_php still exists
 
@CatPlusPlus Why?
 
@CatPlusPlus Erm. Isn't that the core reason as to why PHP still exists?
 
4:38 PM
Because it's the stupidest way to run PHP
 
It’s the easiest way to run PHP
 
I advise never leaving the house, @CatPlusPlus.
 
user1804599
No, that’s not true.
 
Also… not really that stupid, as far as I‘m aware
 
user1804599
4:38 PM
The easiest way is php -S localhost:1337.
 
user1804599
Because you don’t have to install Apache and configure it and crap.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Eh?
 
@rightfold Doesn’t work with .htaccess, though
 
user1804599
Who cares about .htaccess?
 
@rightfold lol
 
4:39 PM
Everyone who uses PHP
 
user1804599
You wanted to run PHP, not Apache.
 
You are so young.
 
mod_php violates principle of least privilege and isolation
 
PHP violates a lot of things
 
@CatPlusPlus shrug
 
user1804599
4:39 PM
PHP violates the principle of sanity.
 
You can't have "easy" pretty urls without .htaccess.
 
You can run Apache as an app server with app privileges, but at that point you can also run the app in uWSGI or FCGI
 
@Jefffrey I hear you can do that with Node.js
 
@Jefffrey Sure you can
 
By not using PHP.
 
4:40 PM
@CatPlusPlus Depends who “you” is.
 
@minitech Uh "a competent sysadmin"?
 
user1804599
Anyway fuck PHP let’s talk about planets.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
No, let's talk about Haskell and why it sucks for web dev.
 
@Jefffrey I’m okay with this
… well, I actually like Haskell a lot for web dev
 
4:41 PM
That PHP's "easiest" way is the broken one is just a testament of how shitty it is
 
It’s bad at being an HTTP client
@CatPlusPlus Did anyone need convincing?
 
Not that running uWSGI with isolation is that much harder
If you're not a moron who needs step-by-step instructions for everything
 
@CatPlusPlus People who do this have never even heard of uWSGI
 
@minitech Have you ever tried anything harder than an "hello, client" page?
 
@Jefffrey Yes!
 
4:42 PM
In summary if you run your app with web server privileges, you're being an idiot
 
It took me about five times as long as it would normally, but I did it.
 
(Also remember to chmod 777 every folder!!!)
 
And it ended up 120 lines
90 of which were imports
 
@rightfold Saturn is beautiful.
 
4:43 PM
@minitech Link or it didn't happen.
 
haha some xbox live user just msg'd me with "fuck u fat bitch"
 
user1804599
I’m aroused.
 
should have replied "Get a job, kid."
 
@Jefffrey Unfortunately, it’s part of my secret identity and cannot be revealed
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit and "Cut your hair"
@minitech Thought so.
 
4:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm particularly fond of 3753 Cruithne
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think that's too faint for me to see it.
 
Buuurgers
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So it has no beauty? You're so shallow.
mm burgers
 
Shuuut uuuuup I'm huuuungry.
 
or PIZZA
or STEAK
 
user3010322
4:47 PM
Hm.
 
user3010322
My Image2D implementation is woefully inadequate.
 
Deffo burgers today
 
user3010322
I need.... more.
 
@ThePhD That's what she said
 
ugh, the pizza is trying to get back
this is the last time I eat at pizza hut
 
4:49 PM
@AlexM. Is it the 4 formaggi one?
 
yes
it was so oily
I have no idea why
I still feel like vomiting :\
it's as if they soaked the crust in oil
 
That would be a huge waste of energy.
 
Oh fuck.
Quiz today.
 
user3010322
Your boss quizzes you?
 
4:51 PM
I'm assuming pub quiz.
 
I got two burgers per package
I did not expect that
 
user3010322
Praise the sun and eat both.
 
Now I have 4 instead of 2
 
And reread the law.
 
user3010322
Double burder.
 
4:52 PM
@MartinJames It's in a bookshop, actually.
 
Funno what happened here
 
Free burgers? Eat them.
 
I guess I have food to last the entire week now
 
I take no responsibility for Cat's poisoning.
 
@CatPlusPlus Hopefully without the 15W40 that aparrently comes with pizza.
 
4:52 PM
@CatPlusPlus 4 burgers last you a week?
also...you keep old burgers around for food? :/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damn it. You can't retreat now.
 
I keep food until I eat food
 
That's... unexpected.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm surprised that bookshops still exist, never mind have quizzes in them.
 
Fuck you ebook people.
ALSO FUCK YEAH I WON
No more animation bugs.
 
4:58 PM
Congratulations!
What was the quiz?
Oh.
 
I can leave this piece of crap IDE and go back to working on stuff that doesn't have to compile in this thing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you made an IDE? :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Spare a thought for cat, who is gonna be chasing his burgers round the kitchen later in the week 'cos 'animation bugs'.
 

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