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3:00 PM
or "Sorry buddy, couldn't expand that IEnumerable because fuck you".
 
@DeadMG yep, I know that one
 
@DeadMG I recently worked with code that had C#, Managed C++, and unmanaged C++ mixed alltogether and had no problems in stepping through any of it
 
> a code
fuck you
Use a English plz
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@DeadMG Force it to "mixed".
 
user3010322
My sobel operator kernel convolution is coming out like shit.
 
3:01 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I did. Repeatedly.
 
Why does 'managed' always read like 'mangled' to me?
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because that's what it is.
 
@MartinJames cause you like mangling?
 
@TonyTheLion He'll mangle you any day!
 
@TonyTheLion excuses-moi
 
3:01 PM
@DeadMG Ohhh I'd love to be mangled. <3
 
I'm always hungry.
 
wanna take you to a gay bar
 
hhahahaha
 
so you can write my CV for me because it's shit
 
@MartinJames I suspect it is for the same reason I read @BoltClock as BoltCock.
 
3:02 PM
@DeadMG What, you want a CV that says: "Expertise: sucking immense cock"
 
why Tony, I didn't realize you had expertise in that area
 
I'm not convinced that CV-refactoring is a service that is commonly available in gay bars.
 
I'm talking about your CV, not mine
 
ah
well I certainly have no experience in the field of cock-sucking
 
@MartinJames Oh, but I'm sure you could get them to do it, if you used the right "tools" to convince them
 
3:03 PM
and personally I'd like to keep it that way
 
@DeadMG Pity - that may be more effective than your CV, (depending on interviewer).
 
The download has stopped again. WTF
 
maybe I should start meta discussion "Should we be afraid to use words like "cock-sucking" in chat?"
 
cocksucking is an activity
 
3:05 PM
@BartoszKP Please don't.
 
and more of a phrase, I'd say.
I wouldn't say that cock sucking is bad, as opposed to cock-sucking.
in fact, I don't usually hyphenate it.
I think.
 
nevermind that
 
dude
 
This thread is going downhill faster than puppy's job prospects.
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Well, I turned this conversation into cocksing
great
 
3:06 PM
we all know that you can't go to meta and ask them whether or not it's OK to discuss cocksucking if you can't accurately identify if it's a single hyphenated word or not
 
just wanted to compose the nonsense of "Should we be afraid of [some nonsense]" with swearing in chat nonsense
damn
right
 
the great debate: "cock sucking" vs "cock-sucking".
 
people would start an off-topic and won't focus on the real problem
 
it's like spaces vs tabs, only one side isn't clearly shit, like tabs.
 
3:08 PM
@TonyTheLion Cocu Ksing.
 
@BartoszKP Yes, stepping is the single feature a debugger needs to be pretty decent.
Examining program state? Who cares.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just trace, like any game programmer!
 
@EtiennedeMartel meh
 
if at first you don't succeed, won't hurt to smoke some weed.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's why I asked for specifics - I guess you meant invoking operator-> in the watch section?
 
3:09 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I thought it was "blinders" but a cursory googling yielded "an excellent performance in a game or race."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sure, if you're talking like "that were propah blinders innit"
 
@DeadMG if at first you don't succeed, try again.
 
@EtiennedeMartel One of my friends was super obsessed with Jurassic Park Builder.
 
@BartoszKP It doesn't even have to be that. If you need anything that isn't just looking directly at a variable, you're shit out of luck.
 
@Jefffrey I fucking hope so, it's a self reinforcing feedback loop.
 
3:10 PM
I hope you know all about the internals of all the types you might need to examine, because you'll need them.
 
a little like your mum
in The Upper Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Feb 25 '13 at 2:45, by Alypius
I'm not going to argue about the definition of "homophobia" with you. You're on a site where there are many different types of people, not just "free thinkers", so the rules are different.
lol?
 
Our new Dragons: Rise of Berk is even more efficient.
 
what, you need to know her internals, or she's a self-reinforcing feedback loop?
 
And this means, even types that aren't in your code base because you can't use their public API.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes iirc that's related to the symbol/include problem I've mentioned. I agree it's annoying
 
3:11 PM
@BartoszKP It's not.
@BartoszKP It doesn't work even if the functions are not inlined.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The typedef info would be in a debug build, would it not?
 
or if they're fucking virtual. Seriously, load the address from the vtable. Moron.
 
calm down dog
 
And it's not "annoying". It's sub-par.
 
WOOF WOOF DEBUGGER!
 
3:14 PM
@DeadMG Fucking virtual? You mean, like, sex with an Occulus Rift?
 
It's a productivity-killer to have to use bullshit workarounds like computing fucking addresses manually and watching ((int*)0xWHAT3V3R).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mean the standard established from an average of all two debuggers VS and gdb that are worth mentioning? ;0
 
@BartoszKP No, the standard that wouldn't make debugging anything an incredible waste of time.
 
VS and GDB are both pretty shit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I usually step into a structure and let VS compute the address for me :P
 
3:15 PM
@EtiennedeMartel virtually*
 
You don't need to compare it to anything to notice it's horrible.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah - fuck that. I want the sodding debugger to do that shit. What's the point of using a computer if it can't do some pointer arithmetic and keep track of a few types?
 
@BartoszKP How do you do that when the address is the result of some getter?
Yes, it works ok for debugging code that looks like C. That's it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yep, not always possible
 
Add member functions, and it's out the window.
Member functions are not even a whacky C++ feature.
 
3:17 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The more I read this, the more it sounds like utter horseshit.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wacky in this context does not have an h.
 
Wacky data races.
 
@DeadMG Aren't those just alternative spellings?
 
I have never, ever seen whacky before in my entire life.
 
It's not marketing crap. It's tangible, it's practical and it's relevant. And it packs a lot of value into a space without waffling.
 
3:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes honestly, I remember raging about this myself :) I'm that calm now, because I'm not seeing it in front of me. Still, it's not very constructive, unless you find a better debugger : )
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes According to dict.cc, they have marginally different meanings
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, it seems to me like you took "Designed an API" and rephrased it ten times longer with longer words.
 
@DeadMG That's 'cos you haven't been to the right clubs/bars.
 
wtf does "robust" even mean in this context anyway
 
@EtiennedeMartel Is that a fancy word for "let's try to rip every cent off of this silly customers"?
 
3:19 PM
And now I really want to listen to some Beastie Boys.
 
@DeadMG Then you should keep reading it until you actually understand it :)
 
@Jefffrey No. It means treating the human brain as the buggy mess that it is and exploiting its flaws for money.
 
@DeadMG It's about being able to design a thing, then stand by that design, and produce a decent implementation from that design. It's a skill rarer than you'd think.
 
It's not a rip off because you know full well what you're getting into. But you can't stop it.
It's like drug, in video game form.
 
3:20 PM
(In this example, the API is the implementation; the "specification" is not that of a language or an API, but of a business need.)
Remember, you're not applying for a position posting occasional code patches in some hippy open source project. You're applying for a job in the real world, to do actual software development (well, presumably?)
 
yeah.
 
Writing a resume is the one time that everybody has to pretend to be in sales.
 
@BartoszKP Fuck off. It's totally constructive to point out flaws.
 
yeah, I'm really the, "It's a games console; you buy it and then you play games" rather than the "It's an entertainment hub where you can piss off all your fucking friends endlessly sharing your 9999999th headshot and you can also watch TV (not that you couldn't before since you need a TV to use it) and browse the Internet in a very poor fashion and..."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes These flaws are commonly known.
 
3:24 PM
Doesn't seem so.
Just go on the Internet and look at all the praise for the debugger.
 
Those are just collective hallucinations
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's constructive if you point them out to the developers, or take them as notes to develop a replacement. Simply spouting them to whomever happens to be on chat at the moment is (even at best) a lot less likely to produce any meaningful results.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hey, I post code patches in hippy open source projects at my job.
 
@JerryCoffin More satisfying, though.
 
@DeadMG You need to eat.
And, really, you don't need to turn into a marketing moron in order to use grown-up words to explain why you're good at what you do.
 
3:26 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You do if you want a job in marketing.
 
You don't have to be a marketing moron, but you are selling something.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What makes you say that? It's so early I haven't even fed muttkins yet.
 
Oh shit!
 
rofl
 
@MartinJames ;P
@DeadMG IT's 4.30pm
 
3:27 PM
forget something? :P
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, I have a clock right here on my desktop.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's 11:30 AM.
 
ugh, I tried a quattro formaggi from pizza hut
it was so oily I think I'm getting sick
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm on the Internet right now :)
 
@AlexM. have you tried the local suicide hotline instead?
 
@SamDeHaan No it's not.
It's actually 5.30pm
 
3:29 PM
I wish. I would be out of work then.
 
@DeadMG In which time zone is swampland actually located?
 
BST
 
Butthole Swamp Time
 
@Jefffrey Many (all?)
 
@DeadMG What? You live in UK?
 
3:31 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They don't seem to describe it any better than the much simpler version. I saw there was a problem, I designed a solution, and I implemented it.
@Jefffrey Where did you think I lived, North Korea?
by the way guys, I'm secretly Kim Jong Un, don't tell anybody.
really need a new haircut but my generals think that would stop the world taking the piss out of me
 
@DeadMG Shrug You asked for advice. If you want to stick to the lowest common denominator and kiddie words so you have three lines on your CV, that's your call. But it just so happens that I know what I'm talking about
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, I see that you do, but I don't :P
 
I'd really love to see Deady and Lighty work together in a full 8 hour shift.
 
@DeadMG in a professional work environment, communication skills are 50-80% as important as direct job-related skills. Describing your work in more complex language - without obfuscating it too much - is a positive.
 
There would be blood and fire everywhere.
 
3:34 PM
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Q: Call to virtual function cause Segmentation Fault in C++

rst6391I am having a problem with a simple math analysis tool I am developing in C++, specifically the program cause Segmentation Fault at a certain point during execution. Here is a simplified version of the code: #include <string> using namespace std; class Function { string equation; public: ...

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@SamDeHaan But why? There's nothing gained in using more complex language if you haven't actually said anything more complex.
 
@DeadMG Dumb recruiters are to be gained
and those dumb recruiters occasionally help you to a job, as has happened to me on two occasions now.
 
@DeadMG Look at your CV. Your choice of simple language has led to you not even coming close to describing why you're better at the job than other people.
Plus, the simple answer is that it shows you have a brain and education and are capable of using such language effectively.
There's a bit of a prestige thing in there too
 
this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
You can fake being like a super duper executive or something
 
3:36 PM
Puppy an executive... Pffff
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How'd you find that old chestnut?
 
@RobertHarvey BoltClock had recently linked to a comment from around the same time; I finally got around to pretending to read that conversation then found that old chestnut
 
shit, the biggest fucking wasp I've ever seen just flew past my window
no, it's still here
it's loitering around the window, looking for a way in to kill me probably
 
Kill it first.
 
OK, Bailey looking happier.
 
3:39 PM
@AlexM. Leave it alone, and it'll probably leave on its own (but shut the window if it's open--most wasps are predators...)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Interesting that Greta Christina has an entire blog article about her comment policy. All she really has to say "It's my blog, and if you don't like your comments deleted, then go hate on someone else elsewhere." Or, y'know, the first four words of point 10: "Don't be an asshole."
 
@JerryCoffin the window is closed, so I'm safe
unless it remembers my face
I have to go to the store in a bit
 
@AlexM. Seems fairly unlikely.
 
@JerryCoffin The don't seem to recognise a superior predator, eg. me with my can of Raid.
 
@RobertHarvey Seems like she wouldn't fare too well on SO.
 
3:41 PM
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Q: In a FOR loop, how is it possible to exceed condition?

user3608104I have a problem with two FOR loops. How is it possible for k to get to m+1 ? here is the code for (i=1;i<=n;i++) { if (scale) { for (k=i;k<=m;k++) { a[k][i] /= scale; s += a[k][i]*a[k][i]; } } }

 
My comment policy is no comments. Bliss.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why? Isn't that our policy as well? :P
 
@Jefffrey Downvoted it without reading.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I certainly am not going to be better at such a job than other people because I overcomplicate my solutions.
quite the reverse.
 
@DeadMG Nonsense
@DeadMG I don't think "ensuring that I take care in designing a specification, then implementing it properly" is overcomplicating anything.
just saying "I write APIs" and leaving it at that leads to "I don't believe you; next candidate please"
 
3:43 PM
well, who doesn't take care in their designs or implementations?
 
Don't know why you're so forcefully slapping me down when we've already agreed I have experience in this and you don't
@DeadMG The vast majority of people?
 
I'm not slapping you down or being sarcastic
 
By "slapping me down" I mean "disagreeing vehemently, in terms of what you purport to be factual absolutes"
you bigot
 
lol
 
Break out the pitchforks.
 
3:44 PM
@RobertHarvey We never put them away!
 
ok, let me rephrase that.
Sturgeon's Law obviously implies that most people don't do a good job
but I doubt anybody writes such on their CV.
everybody is going to claim that they take care and are the personal son of Jesus whilst they're at it
brb, it's time for me to feed my mutt
 
@SamDeHaan
 
user3010322
Mmm.
 
user3010322
My kernel convolution code is not only horrifically slow,
 
user3010322
but it's generating noise and I don't know why it is.
 
3:52 PM
Puppy, I really think you ought to LOOK and CONSIDER other people's views a bit more. All too often you break down someone's view without ever really having properly considered that it might actually be a valid one, and that perhaps you were wrong. You know, in the real world it will happen that people have other views/ideas than you do, and being able to consider them is a valuable skill, and being able to be wrong is also valuable.
 
^
 
user3010322
Lol.
 
user3010322
Get rekt, Jefffffffffffffffffffrey.
 
:c
 
I'm glad I don't have a CV
Also accidentally fell asleep in the morning
 
user3010322
3:55 PM
Best time to fall asleep,
 
user3010322
amirite?
 
@DeadMG Exactly. That's the point. Everybody, on their CV, says they can do stuff. Your task is to convince your hirer that you're not totally full of shit. Writing it like a Web 2.0 frontpage in Garamond 26pt "I love the web. I make beautiful APIs" is not going to get it done.
@TonyTheLion Yeah hopefully he doesn't write "I'm a good team player" on his CV because that's yet to be developed
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yea
 
Also it's unlikely that the person screening your CV even knows what 'API' is :v
 
Unfortunately, yea
 
3:58 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, so the only way to actually prove that I can do things would be to check things that I have done.
 
The moral is don't work in big companies and esp not in corporations
 
user3010322
@DeadMG They won't check if they're not semi-convinced by your Resume/CV.
 
@DeadMG You're just not listening to anything I say. Good luck.
 
@ThePhD The only thing on there is unsubstantiated claims.
 
@DeadMG Here, we care more about whether you're a good team player or an antisocial jerk than whether or not you can write good code. Because that comes naturally with the right mindset.
 
3:59 PM
the message I responded to simply suggested rewording my claims. But they're still unsubstantiated unless you actually click the link and have a look.
 

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