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2:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Two talents, I suppose.
 
@DeadMG And what I'm saying is that if you get the formatting right, it doesn't matter that much what's on it.
I hire people. I know.
 
hmmm.
 
You just want to get to interview
 
do I really want to work for a company where the hiring talent selects for formatting first?
 
You mean, do you really want to work for human beings with human brains? Yes, probably.
It's all subconscious. Come on, this is obvious. You didn't get basic advice on this stuff at school?
 
2:01 PM
not to me
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not really.
 
Totally fucked.
 
pretty much the only thing they said at school was "Don't screw up".
 
he insisted that she's not a hooker @_@
 
they certainly never mentioned what you should do in case there's a big gap where you were sick, or if the "Experience" section would be totally fucking empty.
 
she does have a great body though
 
2:02 PM
yeah look at that brain
 
@DeadMG Still on the CV?
 
yeah
 
@DeadMG Did you put the Wide stuff in it? I would.
 
@BoltClock: wat a stupid thing to say u idiot dont u know nething if u carnt help me then u dont have to answer ok?? — Lightness Races in Orbit 20 secs ago
 
@VáclavZeman he did
 
2:02 PM
@VáclavZeman I added a link to it and said that I made it, but didn't really go into detail about it.
 
@DeadMG Honestly, worry about that last. Right now you have much bigger problems with this than explaining a couple years' gap. Plenty of people have such gaps.
I think you're at risk of drawing too much attention to it for little reason
 
gotta be honest, zero work experience is currently what's occupying my mind.
 
shrug Several million people a year find jobs with no prior experience
 
true.
 
Including all graduates who manage to start a career
 
2:04 PM
I mean
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit As janitors?
 
ultimately, I'm a genius and I know it, but I don't know how to show it.
 
Just look at telkitty
 
@Jefffrey We don't have "janitors" over here
 
unless they want to read my source code.
 
2:04 PM
@DeadMG I have a similar problem with my CV, which is why I'm glad I don't need to use it :(
@DeadMG yeah
 
@Jefffrey I got my first job without prior experience. Say what you want about the rest, but I am not special on this one.
 
Ultimately I've only had one real job, and I've had it for ages, and listing responsibilities of the role and the extra things I do isn't that impressive in and of itself
 
> "how will some pedant 10k rep geek blame me for this question ?"
 
Ultimately people have to find out through working with you that you're awesome, and then you rely on promotions from within
Remember, this is just the first step in a career ladder of making connections and influencing people
@R.MartinhoFernandes =)
 
I got my job without prior experience as well. But it was a small startup company. I was the 3rd employee.
 
2:06 PM
@VáclavZeman So it might have been different if you'd worked for a bigger company, maybe?
 
alright
 
But I think that is a little bit different for students/graduates and older people. Unfortunatelly.
 
> fatal error LNK1136: invalid or corrupt file
AGAIN
 
then... formatting?
 
@VáclavZeman I would love to start from a small company.
 
2:06 PM
my skills as a graphic designer are minimal at best, as you can see.
 
@DeadMG Things like not using "authored" twice in [almost] consecutive sentences
 
Dear cl.exe, thanks a lot for generating a 0-byte object file that the linker obviously refuses to process.
 
ah, they didn't used to be consecutive.
 
your education section doesn't go into much detail about what actual qualifications you got. I assume the last bit is A Levels but you don't even say it so the grades are meaningless
@DeadMG I'd avoid using it twice in the entire thing
show imagination and diligence
jokes aside, it's not that bad other than that stuff. I would echo earlier sentiments that going into way more detail about Wide and other projects you've worked on would be beneficial
 
Fuck. Why did I open the object file in VS. It offered to fix the line endings for me.
4
FFS.
 
2:09 PM
:DDD
 
I think that my imagination is currently trying to figure out how to properly handle errors in my semantic analyzer.
but I'm not sure.
it doesn't tend to tell me what it's working on before announcing it's results.
 
"a number of tutorials" Tutorials for what? How many? Did you have lots of hits? Lots of comments? Were you linked anywhere?
maybe don't mention that you used to be a Lounge owner
 
lol
 
: D
 
I owned this chatroom, and then I got fired from this unpaid position for no reason at all.
 
2:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hahahahaha!
Overly helpful VS2013
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not really.
I think.
 
I must be doing something wrong. I can't use VS for a whole day without something fucking up.
 
> lapply(mydfs,GetCumDefaultProportion)
/cc @sehe
 
> no reason at all.
That shows honesty.
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery signal_quality_cum <- from our codebase.
 
2:12 PM
@Jefffrey I don't consider it a real reason.
 
Good boy. That's how you learn from your mistakes: by ignoring them.
4
 
yep
I'm certainly practicing that on this one.
 
The way I learn from my mistakes is "don't even install VS".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ~quality cum~
 
well
I removed the bad stuff but now it just looks tiny.
I need to go into more detail about some of this stuff, huh.
 
2:15 PM
Maybe add a list of the books you read and liked.
 
hmmm nested conditionals are going to be a bit of a bitch to support. maybe I should rewrite my parser to be like a real parser, now
 
gosh that was a while ago.
 
@DeadMG lol ok...
 
You could take inspiration from the way Careers handles CVs.
 
My CV contains a "Professional Skills" section where I list languages that I worked with and perceived level of competence.
 
2:16 PM
what?
 
@Jefffrey maybe not
 
It is still only one page long.
 
@Jefffrey be careful - the UK likes brevity more than the US/AUS
AUS likes 6 page CVs. I get 6 page CVs from Indians and sigh deeply
 
I put them up and nobody cared so pretty much the only thing to say on the matter is that I authored them and you could easily read them if you want to estimate my skill level.
 
in the UK with an established career you want two sides, with enough detail to be useful but not too much to be boring
DeadMG can probably manage a full side with plenty of text, and that would be okay
 
2:17 PM
a full side?
my Education stuff is like, six lines long.
 
@DeadMG If your CV is less than one page of A4, don't bother sending it.
 
I'd have to write quite a bit about all my projects and stuff.
 
You can easily find enough to write about to fill one A4 side.
 
Write it in latex? Everything takes up plenty of space then :)
 
also don't forget the power of wide [sic] margins
 
2:18 PM
@jalf Indeed.
 
well
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So, it should be between 3 and 1 sides?
 
don't listen to Tomalak, no one bother to read long cvs
 
write about everyone here
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What's AUS? Australia?
 
2:18 PM
especially when you have tables <3
 
like this: "Let me tell you about my amazing friends!"
 
@Jefffrey funny guy
 
but honestly, it should be kept short
 
undoubtedly I could write more about, I dunno, the proposals I made to Committee.
 
@chmod711telkitty Yeah, I just said that, actually.
 
2:18 PM
I wrote this Unicode proposal because the Standard's Unicode support blows.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah - I was looking into emigration to AUS a few years ago and recruiters were like "wtf" at my perfectly-calibrated UK CV
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The funniest thing is that I wasn't trying to be funny.
 
and I didn't follow up on it because the Committee blows.
 
the cultural differences across distant English-speaking nations are amazing sometimes
 
Maybe I should be a clown.
 
2:19 PM
I'd just "wtf" back at them.
 
man I just went to college for nothing today, pisses me off
 
I don't even want to know what Indian CV procedures are like
 
at least I also paid the electricity bill
 
My CV is two pages, with some seven paragraphs of text straight up front and a short portfolio in the back.
 
2:19 PM
I dunno
A Brief History of DeadMG just doesn't seem complete without CRIPPLING STOMACH PAIN
 
> sir,,,hi, my name is rathkan singh, i read about ur company in Daily STar newspaper, wuld like to work for the same . please kindly read my deetails & i wuld be grateful. email me asap or my skype is rathkan123 thank u!!!!!!
@DeadMG well you could always add a section about how much you love drugs
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit *kindly read my deetails
 
@DeadMG "A Brief History of Me" is pretty much what is in those paragraphs in mine. I stick to my history with programming though.
 
mine is about 2 pages too - lists 2 degrees, 1 postgrad degree and 6 professional jobs amongst 9 & some of the awards I got - contact info took half a page so the rest all squashed into the rest.
 
seriously, though, don't go on about it. we find it adorable but in the workplace you'll just appear to be feeling sorry for yourself
 
2:20 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit there was a cool video on this topic, I think it was linked here : )
 
@chmod711telkitty all those trolling awards
@AlexM. ah yes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Seriously though: you said "if it's less than 1 side don't send it" and "I sigh deeply if I get 6 sides CV". So what is the perfect number?
 
@Jefffrey Between 1 and six.
 
obviously
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit some maths competition award, some scholarship blah blah etc etc ... totally useless in getting a job really
 
2:22 PM
@Jefffrey 1 or 2. As I said.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 6 to 8?
 
or more than 6 ;0
 
Is there a trait like std::is_convertible for narrowing conversions?
 
5 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
in the UK with an established career you want two sides, with enough detail to be useful but not too much to be boring
5 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
DeadMG can probably manage a full side with plenty of text, and that would be okay
 
Mine is 3 pages. Page 1 is big fat contact info/header, some paragraph/bullet points about me, a table of skills/qualifications. Page 2 is work experience, a list of where I've worked and what my responsibilities were, and then a very brief description of major projects I worked on that I felt like highlighting. And page 3 is the same but for education
 
2:22 PM
Now I'm pondering about the asymmetry I created in using a digit for "one" and the name of the number for "six".
 
I would also not bother applying to me for a job if you can't fucking read, @Jefffrey.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And "between 1 and 3" was funny...
 
hm
 
@jalf With a proper meaty career that'd be okay too.
 
Could probably fit it all on 2 pages, but I like not having it too compact, and having a clear focus for each page
 
2:23 PM
I would start trimming if it grew beyond that, though
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yep, that wasn't nice
 
right.
so time to open N3572 and write some more about it and why I submitted it and why clearly only a genius like me could have conceived of it's perfection.
 
hahaha I've got a notification for that feelz meta question that says "WHAT DID U SAY U LITTLE CUNT" but the comment's been deleted :(
 
Daisy's growling at me for attention.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But no roman numerals?
 
2:24 PM
I need to get into the habit of telling her to fuck off.
 
I guess a response to this
@BoltClock: wat a stupid thing to say u idiot dont u know nething if u carnt help me then u dont have to answer ok?? — Lightness Races in Orbit 22 mins ago
@DeadMG and how there's any practical skill attached to it that'll aid the company you're applying to
 
what's really disappointing is that nobody downvoted me.
 
hah, just did it
and came in here to post a link and apologise for being slow
seconds too late
 
posted on May 20, 2014 by Herb Sutter

I’ve been watching the talk proposals rolling in for CppCon, now well over 100 of them, and I was already looking forward to this conference but I just keep getting more jazzed. For my part, I’ve proposed five talks, with between 5 and 10 hours of material. I thought I’d share some of them here. […]

 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, I learned stuff about Unicode. And I created a fairly detailed spec of a high-quality API from scratch.
 
2:27 PM
@DeadMG definitely worth writing a tiny bit about imo
 
and then I presented it and learned that the Committee blows.
whoops, did I say that out loud
 
@DeadMG So, experience in writing detailed specifications and in designing robust APIs that rigorously abide by those specifications.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't have one of those. ;) If I include my old part-time student job, I'm at my third job now
 
right.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit such lies. you're not a little cunt.
 
2:28 PM
@Abyx Italicize "little" and I'll take your starbait good sir.
 
you're big one.
nah, I don't wanna stars
 
@jalf Sounds like your education page might be a little "omg look at me im awesome fuck me right now you whore I got all As all the time and did all the extra classes and my professor said despite the constant butt pain I was a great student" then. But, again, cultural differences perhaps.
 
they're useless
 
but it would be way more funny and the joke would be actually obvious.
 
in JavaScript, 26 secs ago, by user3649503
:thinks to himself, what an ass that Barkek is ?:
look a new typo
 
2:29 PM
more useless than LRIO
 
I could just flag it for the rude word
 
owch.
dude, no need to insult stars.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit flag you, beatch
 
:P
 
@Abyx Are you now butthurt because I pointed out that your ideas about English are nonsensical?
 
2:29 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well, it worked 3 years ago when I last needed to use it. ;)
 
@jalf Sexual favours always work
 
lol
 
but that was about a year after I graduated, so I kind of figured I had to play up the education angle a bit. I'd probably tone that down today
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no, not really
 
@Abyx Okay, great!
 
after a week of testing: MySQL works faster with bare inserts (using MYISAM engine), SqlServer with batch inserts . unfortunately, both are unstable when using batch inserts continuously :|
 
I batch inserted into your mother
fail.
owned.
 
^ that
 
you have to batch insert into a woman - how can you just insert one?
 
I heard male dogs often do that
 
lol
I did expect something along these lines, but not that many
 
Poor Daisy's given up trying to get attention from me.
 
@DeadMG I thought you only fart at her
 
2:34 PM
@DeadMG your career pursuits are already affecting your loved ones
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@Abyx Occassssssionally I also ignore her.
 
@BartoszKP laughed more than I should have
 
@AlexM. Ah, she needs to learn that she can't always get what she wants from me.
when you have a dog, either you treat her like she's your bitch, or she treats you like you're her bitch.
3
 
BTW
while we're at it
code += _.foldl1(concat, _.map(codegenBlock, objects.values()));
code += _.foldl1(concat, _.map(codegenBlockRun, topologicalSort().reverse()));
my glorious "JS" codegen
 
Wrong room?
 
2:36 PM
welp Daisy came back
so I deployed a defensive fart
 
@Jefffrey no, they shouted at me here for reimplementing parts of Prelude in JS
 
lol @ the flag
 
Xeo
ahahahaaha, the flag
 
what was it at?
 
Xeo
1 min ago, by DeadMG
when you have a dog, either you treat her like she's your bitch, or she treats you like you're her bitch.
 
2:37 PM
calling a dog a bitch
 
heh, should've figured
 
NOT COOL MAN
 
a female dog, to be precise.
so it's a technical term.
 
I don't understand
It's like calling a male person a dude
Or a tree a tree
 
people are dumb
also we still lack 12th room owner
 
2:38 PM
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery cum has no default proportion, so it doesn't work
 
puppy.
 
@BoltClock Do you guys see the name of the flagger?
 
Xeo
Oh, FredO was added back
 
@Jefffrey We do. And we get a kick out of it
 
Xeo
I was wondering why 12th, I thought we had 10
 
2:38 PM
shit
my CV is shit.
 
@Xeo I think it was customary to be 12, that is, puppy left a slot
but then again I don't think that LRiO public vote style was fair
 
Wasn't the goal to have the number of owners even?
 
to him and to any other potential candidates wink wink
 
puppy left a slot to be filled by puppy.
 
@BoltClock And you can't tell to non-mods?
 
2:39 PM
Lock-Free Programming – or, How to Juggle Razor Blades (~2 hours) - durr
 
@Jefffrey We can't, it's private stuff
 
@BartekBanachewicz but he got the essence right!
 
@DeadMG you got banhammered
 
ah just don't tell Shog
 
@sehe come on you can't call people asses because they come into your room and talk shit about PHP
 
2:40 PM
sure you can
 
@DeadMG Put a pic of Daisy on the front. I'd invite both of you for an interview. I wouldn't care whether you got the job or not, but I'd have fun playing.
 
I mean if someone walked into my room and said fuckshit about PHP I'd give him a beer
 
where is it that you live exactly?
 
if someone walked into my room I'd smack him in the face for trespassing.
 
2:41 PM
@ScarletAmaranth lol
 
IIRC a bit far from you
 
Fucking Mega, why can't I finish my download?
... of legal stuff.
 
becuase what you're doing is likely illegal
 
didn't give Kim Doctom enough blowjobs
 
2:42 PM
@Jefffrey Rrrrright.
 
I swear. It's "Database's course notes" we share in our university.
 
Oh, is that what kids call it nowadays? I thought it was "holiday pictures". Gigabytes of them. They're RAWs, you know.
 
@Jefffrey Unbelievable!
 
Please don't swear in chat
 
shit
4 mins ago, by DeadMG
my CV is shit.
 
2:44 PM
@DeadMG That tells a lot about you.
 
@BartoszKP I could've sworn I heard that somewhere before...
 
:P
 
unbelievable! this should also get flagged
 
man
 
@DeadMG If the contents is shitty, then at least make it look good. Use LaTeX to produce a PDF!
 
2:44 PM
ever since I played Mafia on the american servers that one time, I've had an urge to say "niggers" everywhere.
I don't know why it's not gone away.
 
@BoltClock I think it was some sworn enemy of swear words
 
Xeo
You've been infected with Muricanism.
 
lol
 
Xeo
ahahaha,the flag
hahaha
 
2:45 PM
user image
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don't blame you, that was pretty funny.
 
user3010322
Reading that transcript was hilarious.
 
m59
What's the deal with the flags?
 
you're a deal with the flags.
 
they're used for fun
 
2:48 PM
you're used for fun.
 
in The Upper Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Feb 25 '13 at 2:43, by TRiG
Bizarre. I didn't think I'd be alerted to flags on my own comments.
in The Upper Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Feb 25 '13 at 2:44, by TRiG
(Also, the alert included the name of the person who flagged it, which is surely a privacy violation. I may take that up on Meta SO.)
 
your mom is used for fun
 
she likes it that way
 
Seriously, why the fuck can't I expand that watch?
WHY
 
2:48 PM
Unfortunately, the follow-up question ("What is the most appropriate punishment for a co-worker who uses macros to redefine fundamental types?") will be off-topic for Stack Overflow. :-( — Cody Gray 20 mins ago
 
WHO THE FUCK WROTE THIS?
 
epic!
 
Did they ever use it?
 
it's this time of the day
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, you call them asses because they're asses :)
 
2:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes VS N is written in VS N-1. No, they did not use it. :)
 
@sehe now you're just being mean. :P
anyway
 
no. way :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes haha
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes When I tried to write a debugger, the only documentation was back from something like 2008.
 
@VáclavZeman also haha
 
2:50 PM
There is no justification for this bullshit.
Every other watch can be expanded.
 
user3010322
When I was at Microsoft talking about writing my own debugger, the poeple who work on the Pyhton for VS had to write their own debugger and they too had very littel documentation.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Blame Sutter!
 
Return values? Nope.
 
@DeadMG my parents' dog always humps my leg
I guess I know now who's the bitch in that relationship
:(
 
Great debugger, indeed.
I wish it helped me debug shit.
 
2:50 PM
me too.
 
@AlexM. more importantly, she knows
 
what's really sad is that it's still the best in the business except possibly QtCreator's which I have not yet tried.
 
user3010322
It used to be useful to me, but as I began to program not-shit it quickly became worthless.
 
QtCreator uses gdb. (Yes, gdb can tell me more than "function returned {...}")
 
2:52 PM
I found GDB's interface to be so fucking laborious I wouldn't even get that far.
 
@DeadMG I concur.
 
Xeo
I played around with a command-line Flash debugger and I thought it was kinda fun :(
 
But a nice interface over no functionality is not helpful.
 
today was sunny and we reached 23 celsius here :D hopefully there'll be no more storms anytime soon
time to get some ice ready
 
We call that an "eye cover" in Portuguese.
 
user3010322
2:53 PM
@Xeo Stockholm Syndrome is setting in.
 
smells like summer
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Community was great and we all know it.
 
IIRC VS has problems with expanding some types when either no symbols for them (obviously) or sometimes when their header is not directly included in the current file
 
Oh, "blinders", maybe?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are exaggerating. It is pretty decent debugger, IMHO.
 
2:53 PM
@DeadMG "was" so sad :(
 
@VáclavZeman Yes, it is.
 
@VáclavZeman Yeah, sure, if you have no bugs
 
user3010322
@VáclavZeman It's a smouldering pile of shit.
 
It constantly fails to provide useful debugging information.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit inorite.
 
2:54 PM
"Pretty decent".
 
SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE AND THEN MURDER THEM WITH AN AXE THEN CUT OFF THE HEAD AND FILL IT WITH GARLIC AND FEED THE HEAD TO SHARKS (THEY LOVE GARLIC) THEN CUT UP THE BODY AND EAT IT AS STEW. — DeadMG 3 mins ago
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have used VS a lot. And I think the debugger there is pretty decent compared to anything else.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Better than a fork in the eye.
 
Annie was great and we all know it.
 
What do you call those things you put on horses so they always look forward?
 
2:54 PM
@BoltClock Hmm, garlic.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Blindfolds or something.
 
Xeo
Scheuklappen?
 
I agree with @VáclavZeman. The expanding issue is irritating, but everything else I think works fine
 
New moderation tool: post links to offending comments in the Lounge and watch everything go to shite for a couple of days
 
Xeo
Oh wait, you probably want the English word
 
2:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Blinders (or "blinkers" if you're a moron)
 
@BartoszKP lol? Have you ever tried debugging anything with, say, operator->?
It blunders with any non-trivial code.
It blunders with trivial code, FFS.
 
user3010322
Lol.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You've gotta season it just right or they won't eat it. It's amazing how fussy sharks can be.
 
user3010322
Simulating operator-> is always fun.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ah, I was right then.
 
2:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or claiming vector's operator[] has side effects.
 
@DeadMG I did try to give you your job back, but some people disagreed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok?
 
or that VIRTUAL FUNCTIONS HAVE NO ADDRESS
seriously LOOK IT UP IN THE VTABLE
 
LIEK OMG MAN
 
user3010322
((MyType*)myoptional.m_uninit.m_storage._elems)
 
2:56 PM
even I can look up virtual functions in a vtable.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's the specific scenario? you can step into operator-> as into any other function I think
 
user3010322
^^^^^^^^^^ GREAT DEBUGGING EXPERIENCE
 
user3010322
ALL HAIL.
 
@DeadMG Well, on the other hand, who'd want to eat the head of such a person?
 
2:57 PM
My ears are broken. Can you all stop yelling FFS.
 
@Jefffrey no
 
NO
 
yea guise, STAHP WITH ALL THE YELLING
 
I wonder if screen readers put emphasis on all caps text.
 
2:57 PM
@TonyTheLion immediately, good sir.
 
HI TONY SPEAK UP PLZ CANT HEAR YOU BECAUSE OF ALL THE YELLING
 
user3010322
Oh, did you want to see the value of a short as a half data type in C++?
 
user3010322
Already have a half data type that can do the computations?
 
user3010322
TOO BAD WORK THOSE FINGERS
 
user3010322
2:58 PM
 
er, C++ has no half data type, so it's not terrifically unfair.
 
Hey, I'm using VS' debugger and I have no problem at all!
 
user3010322
YEAH VISUALIZERS SO EZ SO WONDERFUL VS SO GGGGGGGEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWDDDDDDDDd
 
I mean, it's fun to use such a great debugger when debugging C#.
 
2:58 PM
@EtiennedeMartel The C# debugger was just as shit IME.
 
user3010322
The C# debugger is NOTHING like the C++ debugger. The C# debugger raised my expectations for the C++ debugger in the first place. And the C++ debugger is shit.
 
tell me that when you have a native stack frame on top.
and the C# debugger's like, "Nope, won't show you shit, not even a simple local, native stack frames too hard for me!".
 

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