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5:00 PM
@DeadMG or before the fact, too, actually
 
user1804599
I am going to learn SCons.
 
@melak47 lol msvc
(Hey, I did the last one with VS!)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sorry, I mean "Microsoft C/C++ Optimizing Compiler", aka MSCOC
 
It's the thing itself that is funny, not the name.
 
I might just have a go anyway. If I get my entry disallowed for using a few libs available to me on a non-distributable-source licence, or private libs that keep me ahead of opposition in the market, so be it. Like robot says, if you think that too much gameplay is hidden in libs, don't vote for me:)
 
Xeo
5:06 PM
@melak47 MSCOCK?
 
Ell
how is distributing stuff going to work?
 
@Xeo OK, yes, that's almost as funny.
 
@Xeo saves time. MSCOCked it up
 
@Ell Put the source up somewhere. Provide binaries if you want.
Or whatever. Really.
 
Ell
I won't be able to provide binaries
 
user1804599
5:07 PM
Meh. I will just use Z shell as build system.
 
Xeo
is there a way to push to bitbucket and create a repository if it doesn/t exist yet?
 
Yeah - if it can be played, you should be eligible.
 
.NET is portable enough so I don't mind whatever hoops other folks have to jump through to get their stuff to run elsewhere.
 
@Ell ..and I won't be able to provide buildable source, (for most, or all, Loungers).
 
What do you write in Martin?
 
Xeo
5:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz due to his private libs, I'd think, not because of the language
 
I am going to continue writing im Haskell, but if we team up with @Purrrformance I guess we'd go web
I see
 
@BartekBanachewicz Probably Delphi XE4. Obviously, I would post up the main gameplay classes etc and a 'game.exe', but I would be surprised if many Loungers could build the lot.
 
obviously I'm going to code my entry in Wide.
7
 
Xeo
@DeadMG alright, that's locked in now. can't change
 
well
my previous entry was simple enough to have been written in Wide.
 
5:12 PM
Quick! Pin it!
 
@martin yeah its not exactly like everyone Here has Delphi. If I can run it its fine with me
 
weekend. sic. oh well. Hi there. And cya
 
Puppy writes the shebang in C++, then uses Wide to call main on it.
 
Xeo
> Frequent commits are encouraged.
hahahaha, Puppy will totally adhere to that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 'then it segfaults'
 
5:14 PM
@Xeo ugh, commits! ain't nobody got time fo dat!
 
@Xeo hehe
@melak47 I average 1 commit / 7 minutes, yesterday.
 
Xeo
also, the rules are formulated way formal
 
That's ~2mHz.
@Xeo "shall be Friday, Saturday or Sunday (commonly known as weekend)" is my favourite.
Well, kinda torn between that and "(a.k.a. pairs)".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Regular drinkers should get an extension, but I guess that won't work:(
 
5:17 PM
@xeo is that serious?
 
woa, lounge game jam?
 
@BartekBanachewicz About as serious as the Lounge title.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, when compared to "Two hours to write the code, from 21:30 to 23:30 GMT. Stick to the command-line. Pick two out of these themes: hack-me, time travel, randomness.", he's right :P
 
I had all three, yay
 
I almost forgot to take out my fixed testing seed.
Not sure if that would have counted as "randomness".
:P
 
Xeo
5:20 PM
my randomness is so random, you'll never see it
<_<
>_>
 
lol
xeo, weren't you supposed to be playing Paranoia with us?
 
Xeo
My leg was killing me and you guys didn't want to voip it
 
ah yeah
I just ate a massive banana
the thing was like, a foot long.
 
These fuckers are to shy to voice chat or something.
 
my natural voice is extremely loud.
 
user1804599
5:23 PM
lol dictator on TV.
 
user1804599
They call him a president.
 
@DeadMG Starred for lack of context on the starboard.
 
0
Q: C# does the compiler know if the same calculation is done in two places?

James Joshua Street if ( Math.Pow(functionofY, 3.0) > 0.008856 ) { functionofY = Math.Pow(functionofY, 3); } if I have this function, will the compiler calculate the power just once? or does it go through your code and find duplicate calculations? i feel like the compiler is a magic black box ...

^^ Facepalm :)
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel that thing is the context itself, so eh
 
5:27 PM
@Xeo I mean, if you only look at the message, and not the banana one.
 
Xeo
okay, I can't keep my eyes open. time for a nap
 
OK, I'm hungry now. I want a ba.. some fruit to eat. I think we have pears.
 
foot long pears
cmon work day end. i want to play halo.
 
Little, fat Conference pears, normal size.
 
foot long is normal for me
(not so much the little and fat, though)
 
5:30 PM
... she said, giggling.
 
@R.M now i have a decent webcam we can make videoconferences too!
 
You may try, but you're not putting me off my fruit.
 
Pear conference
 
@Mysticial do languages with RT optimize this?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum In this case no, because the OP is not calling them with the same operands.
 
5:33 PM
Oh yeah, I didn't notice it wasn't the same operands. I just control+f'd for "referen" and noticed no one mentioned that some languages do this.
 
Needs more purity
 
'the compiler is a magic black box' - poster confusing hardware and software.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hahahaha
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
They showed a film about history of Russia, but they skipped the 20th century.
 
5:34 PM
@rightfold Heh, like nothing happened of interest..
 
@MartinJames Nothing different to what's happening today?
 
@Purrformance That's not how you giggle.
 
You know its a damn shame I can't post mobile pics straight here
 
@DeadMG Well, I would like to hope that they don't lose another 20 million lives fighting a world war.
 
user1804599
5:36 PM
Hmm.
 
@DeadMG Sure. Except, completely different.
 
Btw as I am already excited over TGLGJ#2
 
user1804599
I need a reference to the VM from within the hasher and comparator of an unordered map.
 
which weekend are we gonna pick
 
@BartekBanachewicz next weekend. by that, of course I mean this weekend. or do I mean Valentine's day? AHA!
 
user1804599
5:37 PM
I could store the reference in the objects or I could store them in the hashers and comparators.
 
I am serious
We should pick something
 
user1804599
This one.
 
Or vote again
 
Valentine's day is a problem for me. Anne and I will be tired and emotional.
 
I think more people didn't want this one
Well each weekend has 3 days
We just need one
 
5:38 PM
@Mysticial Although it doesn't initially look like it, I think he actually is. The docs only show one version of pow (taking two doubles) so where he tries to pass an integer, it's (presumably) cast to double before the call. In both cases, the function itself receives exactly the same parameter (3.0, as a double).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The problem with the argument you're having there is that you can't prove that there are one way functions.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Will you teach me?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Your problem is that you can't prove that the accepted rules of logic are actually logical.
 
Well, if you can, you'll be a pretty important guy since that implies all sorts of fun stuff like P != NP
 
hmm, I have a case in VC++ where a typedef decltype(func(std::forward<T>(t))) return_type; is causing a warning C4244 argument conversion from 'T' to 'U', possible loss of data, (where U is the parameter type of func. But I can't get it to work in an SSCCE.
 
5:41 PM
@JerryCoffin that's totally not the same... I'm talking about computability theory, real science. Please don't compare that to religious arguments that's insulting.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well, under the accepted rules of logic, they'd be totally not the same. Under Jerry's twisted rules, what I said proves exactly what I wanted it to. [and BTW, you really need to work on your sense of humor].
 
@MooingDuck aopears to be about the func(...). normally issued for narrowing numeric conversions (of the kind that C++11 brace init doesn't allow)
 
OK, I've doodled.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf yes, but in a typedef decltype(...) I feel like the warning should be supressed. Clang and G++ don't warn for my code, only VC++.
 
5:46 PM
doodle it!
use my silly-warnings-suppression file?
 
@JerryCoffin [you underestimate the amount of time I spend with idiots :D I get these sort of questions seriously way more often than I should]
 
user3010322
Titties.
 
user3010322
I have to use an OS library. =[
 
user3010322
Oh well, at least graphics are allowed. I can dig that.
 
5:47 PM
it's old and not updated but will probably work ok
 
@ThePhD shivers
 
user3010322
So if I want to use Furrovine, I have to open-source it?
 
@JerryCoffin is this the humpty-dumpty rule?
"when I use a word, it means exactly what I mean"
(or smth like that :-) )
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Humpty-dumpty restricted himself to defining words as he saw fit. I don't limit myself nearly so much as that.
 
5:50 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf the narrowing conversion warning is handy, except in this one case. (And your file doesn't disable it)
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thx! i didn't have time to wikipedia it
 
I know it by heart.
Including the narrator bits.
I think I've forgotten some bits of Jabberwocky by now :(
 
@MooingDuck oh
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf And by the way, long time no chat. How've you been?
 
5:53 PM
finally, HALO TIME
 
y
 
Ell
finally I found an old copy of bootmgr and it seems to be letting me do something
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Viel Spaß.
 
@JerryCoffin hopefully i'm healing last surgery now. should be more or less healthy in a month or three. :-)
 
5:56 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf hi
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes exactly
 
long time no see
 
@TonyTheLion hi again
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf By "last" do you mean "most recent", or "I've finally completed the course of treatment, and they won't be torturing me like this any more"?
 
@JerryCoffin well both. in september i thought i had completed it, but i some surgery that refused to completely close in over 1 year. so they reopened.
 
5:58 PM
Can I have something like template <typename T, int... I, typename U = whatever> class foo {};?
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Wow, that's great news.
 
why not reorder?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Well, here's hoping it heals well then.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Because I lose the ability to have U defaulted.
Hmm, seems not :S
Dammit.
 
why not have a special type that means "default U"?
 
user1804599
Does std::unordered_map force operator() of the hasher to be const?
 
6:01 PM
I guess I can hack around it with template <typename T, int... I, typename U...> class foo {}; and partial specialisation.
No, wait.
Dammit.
 
user1804599
Dat propaganda.
 
@rightfold Has to be called from const functions, so I'd guess yes.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf That's my fallback plan.
Gotta ask my boss.
His spec is broken. Bastard.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm, that’s painful.
 
@Lalaland There's no unordered_map in your example.
 
user406009
Oops, not paying attention.
 
user1804599
6:06 PM
Is it UB if the hash function returns a different hash at different times for the same object?
 
If you expect it to be found, yes.
 
@rightfold Yes.
 
user406009
@R.MartinhoFernandes is correct, there is a compile-time error when the operator() is not const.
 
user1804599
Ow. :<
 
user1804599
Well. Then I’ll just document that as UB in Styx too. :3
 
6:08 PM
@rightfold Yes. The same object (or equal objects, however you define that) must produce same hash. All assuming the object hasn't been modified between the two calls, of course.
 
@JerryCoffin But the OP is overwriting functionofY. So he's passing in a different value each time.
 
Don't do the same stupid shit.
Don't separate hashes from equality.
 
user1804599
What do you mean exactly? Hashable interface requires Equality?
 
@Lalaland that doesn't say much
 
@rightfold Maybe, yes.
 
6:09 PM
@Mysticial Ah, I missed that. Looking for the tricky difference between 3 and 3.0 and missed the obvious one.
 
table 26: The value returned shall depend only on the argument k. [ Note: Thus all evaluations of the expression h(k) with the same value for k yield the same result. —end note ]
next
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes I already planned such a thing.
 
user406009
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well it's an error claiming that the operator needs to be const in order for the template to compile correctly. "main.cpp:15:10: note: candidate function not viable: 'this' argument has type 'const std::hash<Employee>', but method is not marked const"
 
Hashable does not require Equality as that does not say the same thing either
 
user1804599
There is no default hash and equality either.
 
user1804599
6:10 PM
I.e. class a{} mk a() == mk a(); is an error.
 
Having to provide hashing and equality separately for unordered_map is ridiculous.
 
17.6.3.2/1 says it needs to be a function object type per 20.8, and 20.8 says nothing about const. Granted, at first glance, it doesn't disallow const
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit See the functions that call it.
 
I bet the complicated-as-fuck rules for Callable do though
 
at() for example.
 
6:13 PM
are we saying this is a defect?
 
Oh, no.
I'm just giving you places I think might be relevant.
No spec at hand.
:S Being allowed only one variadic pack is not fair at all.
 
char register_format(char);
typedef decltype(register_format(127.0)) b; //MSVC Y U WARN?!?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think the spec has a very specific circumstance where you can have two variadiadic packs...
 
Ell
gah, need 30gb for EOS!
 
@MooingDuck Function templates.
 
why isn't there a copy_const in the standard library, only silly add_const
 
6:25 PM
Due to our time difference with Sochi, if you want to watch the games live you have to set your alarm and wake up one hundred years ago.
 
i mean, I can add const just by writing const, no problem. never needed add_const. but i have needed and now needed copy_const, so now I had to write it again.
 
user1804599
That’s not NSFW.
 
user1804599
What coworker would not like that?
 
6:33 PM
It might not be not safe for your work, you narrow-minded cretin, but for most people if the chairman of your company comes in with customers, it's not ideal.
 
Nice! OTOH:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2552200/Welcome-Sochi-Journalists-horror-finding-hotels-awash-stray-dogs-brown-water-bugs-no-lightbulbs-days-ahead-Games.html
The wireless router etc. looks like something that escaped from under my office benches.
 
well the picture is pretty clearly just "Here's my tits".
 
The guardian also has an interesting logo today theguardian.com/uk
 
user1804599
Nice.
 
user1804599
I like rainbows.
 
6:38 PM
That 515-long comment thread still hasn't been purged. lol
It's already the record by a long shot.
 
'Passenger tries to divert plane bound for Istanbul to Sochi' - strange, I would have thought it would be the other way round.
 
@Mysticial link?
 
3
A: Shell and text manipulation: marking the ends of sentences and controlling space between paragraphs

Håkon HæglandYou can remove blank lines between paragraphs with awk: awk '{gsub(/\n\n+/,"\n\n");printf $0}' RS="^$" file and to avoid dots at beginning of lines, you could change your last sed command to: /\(^$\)\|\([!?;.,]\s*$\)/! s/\s*$/.&/

 
> Balls: too few female MPC members
that poor guy
 
6:40 PM
@Mysticial WTF is going on there.
@HåkonHægland please delete every thing related to the code on your account on pastebin,my friend stole this , and write his name on it — john Feb 2 at 19:04
 
Yeah, I saw that. I was like WTF?
 
john seems to have posted several comments per day every day for the last 3-4 weeks.
 
"after this month you can paste any place."
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not on the same thread, I hope.
What the heck.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "my friend stole your code, so could you please delete it and put his name on it" ? o.O
 
6:44 PM
Yeah, that's awesome. lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz your theme generator is gold. Empathic Authentic Rice
Corpse-Stacking Groundbreaking Balloon!
 
I flagged a random comment there.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So you're helping the OP's friend cover his tracks. :)
 
velcro flight xenomorphs
 
@Mysticial I have no idea WTF is going on.
 
6:49 PM
I'd really like a Canada vs Russia hockey finals at Sochi.
Would be cool.
 
It's great that Linux has so many easy-to-use utilities for performing text processing. So easy to install, configure and use.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes omg
 
He goes through an interactive installation of gawk or something, then goes provides code, then goes through explaining every single bit of code, ...
 
What the fuck is going on here?!?! — Lightness Races in Orbit 17 secs ago
 
6:51 PM
And it's like someone doesn't know comments are not tweets.
 
the resulting PNG is 1.54MB
1425 x 26000 pixels
 
There are entire sections of someone spreading a sentence that would not fill half the comment maximum over three or four comments.
WTF
 
It's worse than those 'Windows Service Center' telecons. How can anyone put up with that without exploding?
 
Yeah. It's not the OP that surprises me, it's the other guy.
 
6:53 PM
@EtiennedeMartel The Canadians would have to wear rainbow outfits.
 
@DeadMG Needs a maple leaf.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They are different? I thought it was two puppets.
 
@MartinJames I doubt that.
 
I wonder how many comments there are
 
6:55 PM
ah, 516!
 
I would have resorted to 'FUCK OFF' after a dozen or so.
 
that's hilarious
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hilarious
 
@MartinJames One is walking the other through the entire code, line by line. What kind of idiot would create a sockpuppet to act that out?
 
@Mysticial where is it?
 
6:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, there is one or two, but both idiots.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf See link below that.
@MartinJames Indisputable.
 
@EtiennedeMartel A rainbow-coloured maple leaf.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Gotta be some sort of bet going on.
 
Did I say "line by line"?
It's worse.
More like "character-by-character".
 
6:58 PM
@DeadMG Fabuuulous.
 
All those regices.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No - two rainbow-coloured maple leaves. Touching each other.
 
@DeadMG While apologizing.
 
"We can discuss more tomorrow if you like.." he said facepalm
 
yep
 
6:58 PM
This "download google chrome" by google is litterally harassment
 
that sounds sufficiently both Canadian and maximally offensive to Russia whilst staying technically within the rules.
 
@DeadMG Anyway, we'll fuck them hard at hockey.
 
hope no under-18s watch that.
 

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