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Xeo
4:00 PM
@thecoshman no excuse
just do something
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ferpectly fine. It ends up being 13:00 to 18:00 here.
 
You guys are planning for a group date while I am having a slight headache? Just to be clear I don't have a headache unless I start reading again
 
@thecoshman why?
 
SUNDAY IS A WORK DAY WHERE I LIVE
 
I can wake up, do the jam, then go get drunk (to forget I got in the jam).
 
4:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel great
 
@A.H. IS IT ALSO WHERE YOU DIE?
 
@A.H. yet you're speaking English. won't you get stoned for that?
 
okay so now we have to pick a date
 
@BartekBanachewicz pick me <3
 
@BartekBanachewicz don't pick me
 
4:01 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't do it in public
 
@Purrformance wanna team up lololo?
 
@A.H. I thought all stonings were public
 
awkward
anyway.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i meant the english speaking
 
4:01 PM
I'm fine if you do something when I can't (I already took part in one and had loads o' fun), so I'll let you guys decide.
 
@A.H. oh I see
 
what the heck is jam, should I get bread too?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so far it seems 5 hours and 18-23UTC fits everyone. Will you be able to squeeze that in over some weekend?
 
I did that pun already
 
Dem punz
 
4:02 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Can we stand each other? I mean reasonably.
 
I have to resort to asking everyone separately as it seems
 
This weekend is more or less out as I'll be either partying or recovering. I might continue the Paranoia game on Sunday evening, but that's it. (ping me if you're in it or want to be in it)
 
not this weekend
 
Now I'll go back to some TMP which I feel I haven't done enough at work today.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ping
 
4:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm in ur paranoia.
 
14/15/16 or 21/22/23 Feb for me
 
@Purrformance As usual, not sure if serious or not.
 
I can reasonably reserve an evening on either of those dates
 
@DeadMG You're the cause of paranoia.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm glad I can still instill the doubt in you
 
4:03 PM
@Purrformance Yeah, we're best friends since you were a girl remember
 
@JerryCoffin Well, I did murder @thecoshman.
 
@BartekBanachewicz 21st/22nd/23rd, 14th/15th/16th (left more preferred than right)
 
@BartekBanachewicz good times
 
oooh @Jerry are you in too? :3
 
adults don't play games much ...
 
4:04 PM
@Purrformance the only problem'd be a common language really
 
user3010322
I smell like a babbling brook, littered with fresh spring flowers. With a hint of lemon.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes I think so
 
user3010322
@sudorm-rfTelkitty Well, that's a shame for them.
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz C++ ~
 
@Purrformance OTOH we both speak many
 
4:05 PM
@ThePhD did you find what was bleeding?
 
user3010322
Anyone who wants to be on my team will use C++ and my engeen.
 
@BartekBanachewicz English will be fine
 
user3010322
@melak47 Nope. And still bleeding. It's fantastic!
 
that's fine.
 
we're doing teams now?
 
user3010322
4:05 PM
I'll check it after my interview. ._.
 
@Purrformance ...
 
I think that I'm picking Xeo as a teammate personally.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Possible, but don't plan around me -- my schedule is too unpredictable for me to know what I might be doing in 10 minutes, not to mention tomorrow.
 
we'll call ourselves The Sickies.
 
@melak47 I think we're allowing pairs
@JerryCoffin ack
 
user3010322
4:05 PM
@melak47 Not really. I'm just proposing crap. :D
 
@ThePhD I am not sure if Graphics are allowed yet
 
Oh, and whatever you guys decide, please make a wiki page with it.
 
user3010322
NOOOO
 
@ThePhD but seriously what are they talking about
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I still don't have access
 
user3010322
4:06 PM
Come onnnn
 
@ThePhD pardon my bloodspatter Sir, but I really want this job/internship!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ask the @Cat.
 
user3010322
@melak47 u.u
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz GRAPHICS OR BUSST.
 
user3010322
Graphics are 2 gud
 
4:06 PM
@sudorm-rfTelkitty We're discussing the breakfast for the Berlin meetup. So far we've settled with jam, now we're choosing the flavor.
 
user3010322
If you don't I'll make a software renderer for triangle rasterizations on the command line.
 
@ThePhD you can always rasterize your stuff to ascii art :D
 
user3010322
I'll do it, you know.
 
user3010322
@melak47 I was thinking about that, actually.
 
user3010322
4:07 PM
I might spend the rest of the weekend making an ASCII art renderer.
 
@ThePhD That should clearly be "graphics of bust"!
 
@ThePhD No existing code.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes will do
 
user3010322
@DeadMG Wait, what?
 
you're getting predictable. step up your game!
 
user3010322
4:07 PM
I can't use my engine?
 
nope.
 
I am with puppy here
 
user3010322
BWAAAAAAAAAAH ;~;
 
unless you coded it during the jam, of course, which we all know that you did not.
 
reasonable use of libraries is allowed
 
user3010322
4:08 PM
My engine is a library. >.>
 
other than that, code it or bust
 
it's one thing to say "I use Boost" and another to say "I have a game engine I made myself".
 
user3010322
<.<
 
what about boost :E
 
no large pre-existing home-rolled libraries.
 
4:08 PM
Boost is ok.
 
^_^
 
user3010322
Furrovine is totes a library.
 
user3010322
It's not even that large.
 
hey
 
@DeadMG does that matter if the game engine is written with boost?
 
user3010322
4:08 PM
Smaller than boost, even!
 
@ThePhD libraries must be open source. there.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD my game is a library!
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Why would it?
 
I think we should do this: If it ships with whatever language you're using, fine. Otherwise, suck it. So don't pick C++.
 
@EtiennedeMartel oy :(
 
4:09 PM
if I have a game, and when the user loads the game (first time, so downloading data) I want the wallpaper of the game to show too, is it possible to store the bg data into an array in one of the classes and load it?
 
boost is pretty much like the jquery of C++
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel what
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix In C++03, sure.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I disagree.
 
Ah, well. I got bored.
 
4:10 PM
there's no harm in using some external libraries... it's a question of degree.
 
We can evaluate every library separately
 
In 7drl they say existing code is ok; it just makes the results less impressive.
 
Boost is okay because it's not game specific and it fixes broken C++ stdlib
 
@EtiennedeMartel With open source software, what counts as "ships with"? Just for example, would the fact that MinGW includes a copy of Boost mean that Boost is allowable?
 
and "Everything is built on my external engine" is way too much.
 
4:10 PM
@user3123545 you can embedd resources and stuff. or sure you can pase the bytes into an array in your code...
 
@JerryCoffin Good point. Thank you Jerry for being a portable wisdom generator.
 
He's too fat to be portable.
 
next up: ThePhD creates MinGW distribution that "ships with" Furrovine.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes no editing that one, we need to restrain your conscience
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Last picture I saw of him, he seemed quite healthy.
 
4:11 PM
I think that being opensource is the first reasonable thing for a library
 
@DeadMG If he does that he'll get the Most UB award automatically!
 
Sounds like my friend who attended a game programming competition in Quebec, a week to make a game... everyone is making games on Unity3d ...
 
because seriously fuck commercial ready game engines
yeah fuck Unity too
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually, I've been dieting for a while. I haven't lost nearly as much weight as the puppy, but I'm not all that overweight right now.
 
puppy is down about 6st right now.
from his very fat starting point.
 
4:12 PM
anyway cya, I'm dead... haven't slept for like... many hours
 
@JerryCoffin I actually have no idea how fat you are or were. I just followed your own philosophy of humour.
 
no, I'm dead.
 
@DeadMG no, you're Dead
 
user3010322
;~;
 
user3010322
I hate all of you.
 
user3010322
4:13 PM
How could you discriminate against my software rasterizer in such a cruel manner?
 
user3010322
I put so much work into it. ;~;
 
user3010322
Who's that?
 
user3010322
And why are they so creepy looking. :c
 
Homer Simpson?
 
4:13 PM
Fatness Races to the Kebab House
 
even the lamp is brighter than you :'(
 
(me through a phone filter)
 
Xeo
We don't allow half a million kickstarters based on our ip without any deals in place. :/
hahaha
what he's talking about: kickstarter.com/projects/878782324/…
 
I don't get it
 
notch is Minecraft's creator.
 
4:15 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You did pretty well at that (for a beginner).
 
The guys in the kickstarter don't have a deal for use of Minecraft IP, I suppos.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oupsiedaisies.
 
oh, that sort of IP. and that sort of half a million. fuck me they're about as good at punctuation as they are at graphics
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty It sucks so much.
 
4:16 PM
~_~ ... you played it? ... did you gain weight after you played it?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The guy is Swedish.
 
@EtiennedeMartel so? Sweden has punctuation.
 
sju
rymdraket
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was trying to be racist.
 
And that's all the Swedish I know.
 
4:18 PM
@EtiennedeMartel haha ok that's fine then
 
("sju" is hard as fuck to pronounce)
 
5 stone 13.5 pounds I've lost.
 
@DeadMG Hm?
 
of fat.
 
Xeo
wtf is stone
 
4:19 PM
He collects stones.
Lost five worth £13.5.
 
oh, it's the Imperial English measurement unit- 1 stone is 14 pounds.
 
Xeo
metric system or bust, seriously
 
Busts in the metric system are fine too.
 
@DeadMG Can't you use kilograms, like any decent human being?
 
too late
 
4:20 PM
I'd like a latte right now.
 
my doctor's scales don't have kgs so I only have my starting weight in stone/pounds.
 
Sounds like prehistory.
 
Xeo
pounds / 2 ~= kg. right?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Life is tough in the UK.
@Xeo More or less.
 
4:21 PM
@Xeo Yes (though 2.2 would be closer).
 
@Xeo it's 0.454 IIRC
 
Xeo
so puppy lost roughly 40kg
 
@Xeo 2.2pounds per kg
 
1 pound = 0.45kg
 
Xeo
woops
 
4:22 PM
@Xeo It's easy: a 1/12-pound lead ball fits the barrel of a 12 gauge shotgun.
How could one ever forget that?
 
wat
 
Gauge is definitely one of the dumbest units of measurement ever invented.
 
hmm dunno what I should add to the rules
 
@SamDeHaan Let me rephrase so it's more understandable: there are 12 12-gauge lead spheres per pound.
 
I am not sure about allowing pairs too
 
4:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Haven't looked at units of light, have you?
 
@JerryCoffin Oh. Oh. That.
 
@BartekBanachewicz As in forbidding std::pair?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would say 'iiinteresting', but I think that would be a lie.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...in theory. In fact, a modern 12-gauge shotgun deviates from that somewhat.
 
@JerryCoffin Well, I'd still put gauge in the set.
@JerryCoffin Modern lead.
:P
 
4:26 PM
@Purrformance eh
 
@DeadMG at least I've got enough balls to run through highly radioactive places, and live! Or are we not mentioning that you killed me whilst lying on the floor, half dead from said radiation?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not as dense as it used to be Vlad from Moscow.
 
You want to lose some weight fast? Move to the moon!
 
@JerryCoffin Now seriously: aren't those variations merely due to the lead alloys used?
 
4:27 PM
@thecoshman You were lying on the floor because I shot you in the leg.
 
@BartekBanachewicz just tired of doing such things.
 
so far way a lot of people want CLI only ^ @R.M
@thecoshman well noone is forcing you to
 
@DeadMG I was already on the floor, half dead from radiation
@BartekBanachewicz I know ಠ_ಠ but you asked why I didn't want to take part, so I told you.
 
@thecoshman okay okay
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz because you forgot 'i don't care'
 
4:28 PM
@Xeo I have changed the wording of the question later
 
Didn't you guys run into problems with portability?
 
uh do we really have to set up another poll with just CLI/CLI+G/G?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not entirely, no. A shotgun normally has a "choke" -- a section at the end of the barrel where the bore diameter is somewhat smaller. There are variations on how much choke it has as well (full choke, half choke, modified choke, etc.) so there's not one single diameter that defines the size of bore for a 12-gauge (or 10-gauge, 20-gauge, etc.) shotgun.
 
@BoniTea not much
 
@thecoshman Pretty sure I shot you first. With my red barrel.
 
4:30 PM
Oooooo I am blind ... about jam ... as usual I don't read enough ...
 
@BartekBanachewicz how are the votes for the date?
 
@BoniTea btw you're encouraged to vote in the poll if you want to participate next time
@melak47 I've pushed it to later
 
user3010322
Q___Q
 
I want something definitive on allowing pairs and on allowing graphics
 
user3010322
LIBRARIES OUTSIDE THE STANDARD ARE NOT ALLOWED
 
user3010322
4:31 PM
I HATE ALL OF YOU WITH A BURNING PASSION.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh, I know about chokes. I used to to hunt with my father. But AFAIK the exit end of the choke is smaller than the bore (so assume a 5-choke, or the entry end of any other choke).
 
How'd that HW go?
 
@ThePhD Meh - define your own standard.
 
user3010322
@Code-Guru Great, turned it in on time.
 
@ThePhD it's supposed to be a test of your real coding skills, not how well you can use some library
 
4:32 PM
Finish the proof?
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz I wrote that library from the ground up. ;~;
 
user3010322
@Code-Guru Yeah, I did.
 
great!
 
user3010322
I'll show it to you when I get the HW back and I have a good Digital Camera
 
Xeo
@ThePhD I repeat: 'my game is a library!'
 
user3010322
4:32 PM
You'll also get to see all tehe pretty Red X through it. :D
 
they'll make a mathematician of you yet
 
@ThePhD I don't like that too.
 
@ThePhD That is exactly my issue too. I have loads of private units that I have developed myself.
 
@ThePhD But not in the five hours of the jam.
 
Okay, so it seems to still be an issue
can we do them one by one?
 
4:33 PM
that's the best way
gangbangs are messy
...sorry, what were we talking about?
 
ThePhD wants to use his engine.
 
hey
 
I'll quote something from 7drl rules and see what you think.
 
Xeo
btw robot, you said you had an idea in your head yesterday?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Problem is that choke is partly a matter of how much smaller the exit is than the rest of the bore (i.e., ratio, not absolute size) so different companies use slightly different sizes for both the bore and the choke part for shotguns that are marked as the same gauge (and take the same ammunition).
 
4:34 PM
I think it should be disallowed, because, like puppy said, it wasn't created during the jam, and it's not some generic helper library. It's literally doing half of the stuff for you
 
@DeadMG you do realise that the @R.MartinhoFernandes did (As GM) clearly say that we notice your barrel is yellow. I even questioned him about it when he decided that you would whip out a red one. /cc @cat
 
> Not from scratch? Then what's the point?

Life shows that the biggest challenge in making a roguelike is actually finishing it. 7drl is meant as a fun exercise in the very act of releasing a playable game. Using premade libraries does not make that part any easier, as proven by the yearly results.
 
I think that most Loungers would be able to spot 'main(){game();} and disallow it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes okey, this is a valid point
 
> You should say what pre-existing code you used. The goal isn't to see who can retype existing algorithms the fastest. The goal is for people to write playable and complete roguelikes.
 
4:35 PM
You should show a compiled example of the problem. The code you showed has no sense relative to the problem — Vlad from Moscow 4 hours ago
... yes.
 
however, it's not a 7-day project
 
(Of course s/roguelike/game/)
 
we've agreed on a quick whip-it-in-5-hr
I think that is a great way to see how you solve problems in short amount of time
 
user3010322
By not solving them at all. ;~;
 
4:36 PM
it's not about bringing your solutions that you have carefully established
 
Ironically it took you almost 5 hours just to solve that problem
 
cocos2d or unity3d?
 
user3010322
Neither, I hate 'em both.
 
@ThePhD Ah, that's why you can't ship something.
(Why do I always get stars when I belittle someone?)
 
Xeo
@MartinJames didn't you say your utilities were private?
 
4:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can accept this point, but I think I'd like to see the full source anyway then
 
@MartinJames No point in disallowing that.
 
then we can really see if it's really only utilities
 
If you give that as your entry, no one will be impressed.
 
not gaming logic helpers etc
 
Natural selection works fine.
 
user3010322
4:38 PM
@EtiennedeMartel =[
 
Xeo
true enoigh
 
yeah, but I can't see what is ThePhD's library doing if it's closed source
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh - you know what I mean:) If the entire game is run in an unpublished external lib, that's cheating.
 
which is a serious argument pro banning it imho
 
@MartinJames Yes, and no one will vote for it to win, will we?
 
4:40 PM
If the game has a load of published code that defines the game, and calls some external stuff too, that should be OK.
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think the consensus on that was random awards again, not voting for the best one
 
Xeo
y'know, in the end it's for the fun of the one doing the jam game. the voters decide what they like after the fact
 
user1804599
Time for Styx iteration 99.
 
wokay so maybe we could tackle CLI vs nonCLI first?
if we limit to CLI-only again then Furrovine problem disappears
 
user1804599
4:41 PM
I’d say let people choose.
 
Xeo
and honestly, if the derpstorm uses furrovine, well, then I'll just be not-impressed by the graphic capabilities
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That depends on the scoring categories, I guess.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Furrovine problem?
 
@Xeo true enough.
 
Can also refer you to other similar things.
> All publicly available libraries and middleware are allowed.
 
Xeo
4:41 PM
gameplay wins my favor anyways
 
@thecoshman if we shall allow it or not
 
From Ludum Dare rules.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there. Publicly available again
 
yeah, I don't see why you should ban any libraries. It's stupid to ban libraries, else you should ban STD too.
 
(They also have this "Base code and personal code libraries are allowed, but should be declared and shared with the community prior to beginning your entry.", though)
 
4:42 PM
you can have the whole game as a library ...
just need to link it & call it
 
Yes, and no one will find that impressive.
 
so we can allow Furrovine if we get access to the sources, following ludum dare rules
 
it's called user library
 
How many times do I have to say that we are not robots?
Well.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes seems fair to me
 
4:43 PM
Yeah.
 
okay, so pretty much everyone agrees on that.
 
after all, you are doing it for fun, what does it matter if someone whips out there already finished game, and says "there, done, now to put my feet up for the next 5 hours"
 
Gameplay and value over libraries, but we want to have all of the code
 
there loss IMO
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes hm, I feel like the sharing part is a moot point. people either have something like that themselves, or won't become all that familiar with your code in the short time
 
4:44 PM
I don't mind documenting private library calls. It's usually fairly obvious if the calls are doing what the comments say they are doing.
 
better still ... get some open source game and modify it
 
@Xeo it's also about looking how others did their game for me. Closing the source of self library makes that impossible /cc @Martin
 
viva the internet
 
also yet again, if we allow only CLI that problem largely disappears
 
@Xeo I'm just quoting that to put the spirit of their rules in context.
 
Xeo
4:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes right
 
and a lot of people voted for CLI (even if some just because the wording sucked)
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz if having to do cli stops people from wanting to participate, that feels like a loss, tbh
 
If we do more of these things, I'd like a longer CLI one before we do graphics and stuff
 
Xeo
as I said in the poll, I don't care about cli vs graphic
 
@Xeo well we can have more later
 
4:46 PM
@melak47 Can be after.
 
I want to gradually move that forward
2h -> 5h is already a big difference
I think yet another hackish-CLI one could be a success
 
I haven't written any CLI stuff in 25 years, (apart from trivial batch files), and I'm not about to travel back in time to a 1960's era human interface for a game.
 
Xeo
my biggest problem is that I'll need a new idea next time
 
I'm gonna suggest
that the 5h marathon is about improving your previous work (if you did one).
so everybody who did the 2H can expand on what they had before.
 
Xeo
the one I used yesterday has been floating in my mind for a while
 
4:48 PM
@DeadMG there is a lot of new people
also I dislike the idea; it's not about lenghty work
 
obviously they'll need new ideas
 
it's about coming up with new idea
also themes will be random again, so...
 
Hmm..
 
guise, how about a compromise
only 2D graphics allowed
no 3D.
How does that sound?
 
Xeo
what does that change?
 
4:49 PM
Arbitrary.
 
I wasn't planning on a 3D-rogue
 
3D graphics are harder anyway.
 
..in 5 hrs.
 
I want to make a ghost hunting game, not sure I can get it done in 5 hours (in java or objective c)
 
well one fun thing about 1st one was that everyone made their terrible console something and it was extremely fun
 
4:50 PM
It may make things look cooler, but you have to give in to something else.
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty A PacAlike?
 
(Seriously, time management/estimation is super important here)
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty only if I can play Dean Winchester.
 
if we allow arbitrary libraries, people writing funny console games will get overwhelmed by colourful omg graphics
 
Heh - Ms. OzMan
 
4:51 PM
I won't.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz dunno about that
 
Ell
open source libs are allowed right?
 
You think someone will make graphics that are impressive enough to carry the whole game on their back?
 
@Ell it seems so so far
 
like find a ghost in a room/place (ghost is just an translucent image whose transparency depends on random number generator)
 
4:52 PM
Have two prize categories, for CLI and post-1960's MMI's?
 
score depends on time and tools needed to find the ghost
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes someone from the JS room could be able to. And I am serious. Some folks there are damn robots in rapid prototyping
 
And what if they do?
 
@MartinJames it's supposed to bind us together, not divide :/
 
'No browser' rule?
 
4:53 PM
Why should you penalise them exactly in what they are good at?
 
downvotes becauses JS :P nahh we wouldn't do that...would we?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes right
so we allow graphics.
 
Ell
just allow whatever open source library or technology
 
let the gameplay win
 
My overarching point is that the audience is not dumb.
 
Ell
4:53 PM
I don't see the issue
 
yeah, so, back to furrovine then
it's closed source
do we allow it or not?
 
user1804599
What build system would you use for a C++ project that is a dynamic library, an executable and a bunch of automated tests?
 
Ell
no
 
If we're dazzled by the graphics or whatever, it's because... well... they're fucking good.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well.....
 
4:54 PM
@rightfold I have used Premake.
 
user1804599
Me too. I liked it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not a chance.
 
user1804599
But I also liked Waf.
 
user1804599
Never used SCons except for building Ogonek.
 
 1. Use of libraries is allowed under the clauses
  1. A library must be widely available under Open Source license
  2. It must be disclosed that the game is using the library
@DeadMG okey. I think we have enough consensus here
 
user1804599
4:55 PM
@BartekBanachewicz add exception for standard libraries.
 
@rightfold k
 
Ell
I don't think 1.2 is even necessary
 
Xeo
@DeadMG what's your specific objection?
 
@BartekBanachewicz on a related note, my thingy is not really an engine, just a thin (and incomplete :D) d3d wrapper and a crappy win32 window thingy. If we do graphics I might want to use it, because I don't know any other graphics libs. I'd have no problem open-sourcing it, does github count as "widely available"? :S
 
3. Closed-source libraries that are implementations of a language standard library are '''explicitely allowed'''
 
4:56 PM
@Xeo Firstly, it's not open source. I don't usually care but in this situation I do.
 
@melak47 yes.
 
and secondly, I think it's too wide-ranging.
 
@Xeo Even though I don't care, I'd accept equity as an argument.
 
I think that it's one thing to get an algorithm from a premade library and another to pull core functionality like input, windowing, etc.
 
@Xeo OpenSource means that everyone is able to use it, for one
whereas only @ThePhD can use Furrovine, which is enough for me to disallow it too
 
4:58 PM
and thirdly
yeah, that- I'd bet that he'll be the only person who could possibly use it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Everyone...on windows/msvc? :E
 
user1804599
IMO there must be open-source implementations of the libraries involved available.
 
@melak47 we are OS-agnostic
 
Xeo
14 mins ago, by Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes hm, I feel like the sharing part is a moot point. people either have something like that themselves, or won't become all that familiar with your code in the short time
second part
just as an aside
 
I agree, but someone might want to become familiar with it after the fact.
 
user1804599
4:59 PM
E.g. BCL would be allowed for as far as Mono supports it.
 
@Xeo I think it's the principle that matters
also what I said earlier about knowing others' solutions to problems (which might extend over the range of the contest)
 

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