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Xeo
1:00 AM
oh, I guess Wierzba was @Bartek's friend
 
Andy's shows you a bunch of digits for some time, and you're supposed to memorise them. It end asks you for them.
Simple, but works!
 
I didn't have an idea
:(
 
when was it supposed to end?
 
I think a good part of the exercise is estimating how much you can do in such short time.
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey 90mins ago
 
1:02 AM
I scaled down my plans twice halfway through.
 
is printf("%x", printf) defined behavior? or only for "%p"?
 
Xeo
I had a pretty clear idea from the beginning
@MooingDuck data vs function ptr
gcc defines it to be safe for %p I think
dunno about hex
 
my code is currently throwing an exception for that case (cannot match type specifier to parameter type), and I'm not sure if I should "fix" it or not.
 
22:30: "Am I late?" 23:10: "I should start doing this" 23:50: "I don't have an idea on what to do", 23:55: "Screw it, taking a nap" was my game plan
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes cool. his code seemed kinda overcomplicated, though
 
1:05 AM
@Rapptz lol
I wanted to do a mini roguelike. Just dungeon exploration, and token combat, saving old dungeon states for time travel.
 
the only code I wrote was a game class that returns 0 and some code that gets keyboard input and clears the cli screen
 
But then realised that minimally usable dungeon generation would take a significant chunk of the time, so I changed to Robots.
 
Xeo
22:30: 'fuck, I wanna do this, but leeeeg' 23:00 'k, fuck this, time to get my keyboard on the bed' 23:15 'k, time to start!'
 
how much time did you guys have?
 
Two hours.
 
Xeo
1:08 AM
and then 30mins over the deadline like the good game programmer that I am :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, your plan was definitely too complicated
 
who is Loic
 
LoïcFaure-Lacroix
 
Xeo
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix
 
Oh
lol Robot
using C# is almost cheating
 
1:10 AM
What?
 
CLI so easy in C# :(
 
Xeo
Oh, I haven't yet checked how bad Puppy's code is
 
@Rapptz CLI is easy in pretty much everything not-C++...
 
@Rapptz what about ell? that's cheating! ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is it? I don't know how other programming languages do it.
 
1:12 AM
going to see yet another sample granny flat
 
curses is much better than the shitty thing I get in C#.
Also, yay, I won at my game.
There's no victory check.
 
Xeo
lol, in Puppy's main, ctrl-f for 'unstable energy vortex'
 
yeah I was going to add more in there but didn't get around to it
 
Xeo
got quite a lot of text though, I have to say
 
there's a lot of random calls in there.
you'd have to play many times to see each variation.
 
1:17 AM
Yeah, small engine, lots of content.
 
especially since most things that can happen, 1/3rd the player dies.
or worse.
 
We should give out prizes.
Fuck, my Internet is slow.
Ha, I see you also used exceptions for losing.
At least you caught it.
 
I had the grace to catch mine.
 
Xeo
I didn't need that, as it's a two-player game, so someone always wins
 
Shit
Started a game with only one robot.
 
Xeo
1:19 AM
and my check occured in the toplevel of the gameloop anyways
 
Xeo
haha
 
Game design fail.
 
Xeo
good luck crashing him
a shame that 3 people gave up
 
0
A: Combing rules in boost-spirit

seheTo the various "other problems": I think you had missed the balancing of the brackets in the not rule: not_ = ("NOT." >> simple [ _val = phx::construct<unop <op_not> >(_1) ] | simple [ _val = _1 ] ) | (tdelay_ >> simple [ _val = phx::construct<unop <op_not> >(_1) ]...

You think I overdid it?
 
1:24 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes such as?
@sehe two answers?
 
@Jefffrey Puppy definitely deserves "Most Game Content"
 
Xeo
@DeadMG if the player wins, the game simply exits?
 
yep.
 
@Jefffrey One was a quickie. The rest was what I spent my night on after Bartek denied me his top-secret mission :)
 
there's a few things I'd have liked to have cleaned up, like that and more explicit instructions.
right now I think it's hard to play without the source code.
also there were going to be five periods or more rather than three.
 
1:26 AM
lol
 
but I struggled to create enough content.
 
Xeo
also, woah, 50% chance to die on detection
 
it only took me about 30mins or so to flesh out the code structure, since it was pretty simple.
the whole rest of the time I was just typing out scenarios.
 
Xeo
it's a good idea though
 
@sehe have an upvote
 
1:27 AM
detection chance to survive is not great
 
Xeo
although I personally dislike just losing on chance without being able to do anything
 
Merci bien monsieur
 
but you have to roll relatively nastily to be detected in the first place.
@Xeo I kind of agree. But there was nowhere near enough time to implement more complex mechanics or decision making.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG 25% chance from the start? doesn't seem that rare
 
actually two
that's a very long and detailed answer
 
1:28 AM
well, and 10% extra every time you stay in that time period.
 
Xeo
pair that with 50% death chance and you arrive at 12.5% chance to just die
 
@Jefffrey :)
 
but honestly, I didn't have time for too much gameplay testing :P
 
Xeo
even if you play ultra safe
 
fleeing has no cost
well, it does have a cost.
but in comparison, it's pretty minimal.
 
Xeo
1:29 AM
@DeadMG hehe, tell that to my height/height bound checking
 
@Jefffrey I have considered breaking the section labeled "Bonus: completing the AST" as a third answer. Would've made sense, but /effort/
 
Xeo
or robot's single robot
 
On this note, I bid thee farewell
Night all
 
@sehe I'm gonna make my best contribution
:P
night
 
Xeo
@DeadMG is the first period supposed to be 20 instead of 25% chance?
 
1:31 AM
oh, I probably intended to nerf the chance for all periods and simply rushed the code too much to apply the nerf to all periods.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG sure, but you'll never win if you only flee. and as soon as you don't, there's a chance to die
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, yeah
 
@Xeo The way I see it.
there's not enough time to implement complex gameplay, at least of this design, that does not essentially involve "Roll to die".
 
Xeo
I agree
 
there's not enough choices that can be created in this fashion.
 
Xeo
1:32 AM
24h might be fun to do
 
you guys should make a 48 or 24 hours jam
 
2 hours is too short
 
Xeo
or teams
 
but
I agree that the chance could stand being a bit lower.
 
@Jefffrey 8. People like sleep. And have jobs.
 
Xeo
1:33 AM
@Rapptz I thought it was okay for the first time
 
@Rapptz I liked it.
 
@MooingDuck Saturday + sunday. Don't be a pussy :P
 
Xeo
I certainly finished the very basic idea I had. had tons of other ideas (commands) to extend the basic gameplay
 
@Jefffrey also timezones
 
I also had much additional content and tuning to do when the time finished
 
1:34 AM
@MooingDuck timezones dependent
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure but more time would have been good. Not like it'd ruin the fun of it.
 
eg: "starts at 13:00" means that it starts at 1pm on your timezone
or something
 
Xeo
@DeadMG but the basic game was done, which is the important part. that's also the interesting part for rapid prototyping
 
yes, I agree.
 
It would be different.
 
1:36 AM
I guess.
 
Xeo
a bit of time pressure is always fun. shows how cool you can keep your head, I think.
and I don't think anybody here wrote utterly crazy code to make the deadline
(modulo control-flow exceptions, heh)
 
Mine's basically an exit() since I don't catch it.
 
Xeo
btw on the topic of prizes, something for the meetup?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes with a message
 
Prices of what?
Oh, prizes.
 
Xeo
1:39 AM
oh, ye
 
Well, fixed my big bugs :)
 
Xeo
hey!
you said no bugfixing after the fact
 
But...
What if I told you I started something else unrelated!
 
Xeo
no modifications after the fact!
 
La la la la la… I don't know what I'm laing about.
...
Seems deserted.
 
1:53 AM
@DeadMG why did you use a std::list?
 
er, I had needs for stable iterators in a previous iteration.
 
If I ever used std::list, I'd never admit it here.
 
I often use std::list for such purposes.
if I don't need random access then list > vector because you don't have to pay iterator invalidation risks in the same way.
 
Xeo
I just noticed a logic error in my game. A player is considered trapped if he is horizontally and vertically between two blocks. however, players can move diagonally. oops
 
:D
 
1:56 AM
@Xeo small oversight
 
minor error
 
Xeo
Well, I can easily add the other 4 blocks to the check_trapped function
 
@Xeo Not all participants in the comp are coming to the meeting.
 
Xeo
or take away diagonal movement
is probably the better choice
 
Diagonal is gay
But gay is not wrong, of course.
 
Xeo
1:58 AM
so I need to remove move and just provide left/up/right/down instead
 
I just started watching Kaleido Star (I discovered it in an old torrents backup disk).
Sometimes shoujo anime is fun to watch.
 
Xeo
Nanoha!
 
I don't think that's targeted to shoujo girls :)
Even if the main characters are shoujo.
 
Xeo
:)
just because it's all about fighting and conflict...
 
Most of my physical manga collection consists of Fruits Basket and Nana.
 
Xeo
2:01 AM
it's also about friendship!
 
guys
stahp
you make me wanna learn japanese again
but i already started trying to learn korean T_T
 
I stopped reading Nana at the point I felt it turned into a soap opera.
I stopped reading Fruits Basket because I ran out of volumes.
That was 4 years ago. Recently I ordered a dozen new volumes but I forgot parts of the story so I should start from scratch.
 
Xeo
@Borgleader Everything we talked about is available in English :)
 
I miss my classes.
Kinda.
Since I also despised them.
@Borgleader Why do you want to learn Korean?
Because of Girls' Generation?
 
2:05 AM
@StackedCrooked You mean tits?
 
I mean arms, legs, and nice shapes in general.
Alright..
 
I'm going to sleep.
 
Goodnight then.
 
Xeo
commands["left"] = std::bind(move, 0, -1);
commands["right"] = std::bind(move, 0, 1);
commands["up"] = std::bind(move, -1, 0);
commands["down"] = std::bind(move, 1, 0);
 
2:06 AM
:D
 
Xeo
std::bind can be so nice
 
@Borgleader Are you a regular SCII player?
 
I'm trying to get back into it yes.
 
I don't really see how that triggers your interest in Korean.
 
But, in any case, learning a new language is always a fun experience.
@melak47 lol
you link huge stuff
 
I didn't know it would onebox this large :E
 
Well, you should have known.
@EtiennedeMartel Btw, your appearance in this conversation was kinda sudden. Do you have a pinger for certain chat terms or anything? :)
 
curses, now both MSVC2013 and G++ have incomprehensible errors. Unrelated incomprehensible errors.
 
clang to the rescue!
 
2:13 AM
@Xeo Which Andy? Why did I get the notification?
 
Xeo
@melak47 For the third set of incomprehensible errors? :D
 
wait, it was MSVC2013 and clang. But the code clang was erroring with wasn't actually used. lucky me.
 
Xeo
@Andy I meant AndyProwl
Guess it pinged you because I only had 'Andy'
 
MSVC is giving me cannot convert from uchar to target_type, where target_type is some unknown result of metamagic. Any idea how I can check that type?
nevermind, I know what code is triggering it
 
@StackedCrooked I just look at my screen sometimes.
 
2:19 AM
I think I found a bug in VC++... I'll have to make an SSCCE.
 
May 30 '13 at 23:03, by Etienne de Martel
@StackedCrooked I was not prepared.
@EtiennedeMartel You seem susceptible to GG.
 
@StackedCrooked It's a Korean girl group, which means it's mainly there for the eye candy.
 
nice vast knowledge of korean culture
 
Please. It has no real musical value.
And by that I mean it brings nothing of value to music as a whole.
 
I don't know much about korean culture, but I do like the appearance of these girls.
 
2:24 AM
The only reason anyone consumes that is because they're all incredibly hot.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I reluctantly agree.
 
Not saying it's bad or anything. Just that if you're telling me you enjoy that for the music, you're lying. Either to me, or to yourself.
Or maybe you're not, but that means you probably like anything that was built from the same template.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Even though I don't like KPop or any Korean music, I won't stoop as low as say it has "no real musical value". I'm pretty sure people enjoy the songs for the same reason people like pop music here in America. It's catchy. Also, the concept of "having looks" and singing is not exactly new. It's incredibly common in America too.
 
@Rapptz It's not about being "catchy". Justin Timberlake makes catchy stuff, but he still has actual musical talent.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's not necessarily a lie. The music could make one feel good because it triggers memories of the video clip.
 
2:27 AM
I'm fairly certain you could replace anyone of them with an equally attractive woman and nothing would change.
 
It's more like lack of discernment.
 
People don't listen to KPop. They watch it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Your definition is skewed. Either that or you shut yourself off from the realities of the radio and top 40.
 
@Rapptz You mean the hits that are all built from a previous hit?
 
What?
 
2:29 AM
Didn't you read that study?
 
No
 
Girls' Generation Complete Video Collection is the sixth music DVD and Blu-ray release from South Korean girl group Girls' Generation. It was released on September 26, 2012 in Japan. History The Blu-ray/DVD features all their music videos, Japanese, Korean and English, as well as performances from their first Japanese tour. It will be released in four versions; regular Blu-ray and DVD editions coming with a poster (first press only) and limited Blu-ray and DVD boxsets housed in a film can, including a bonus disc with interview footage of the members talking about their music videos, two ...
This was one of my better downloads in the last couple of years.
 
Wow an actual paper.
First time for everything
Did you actually read this btw?
It contradicts what you said
 
And what did I say?
 
2:33 AM
"You mean the hits that are all built from a previous hit?"
 
And by that I mean, tell me what you understood.
 
"the same musical pattern is built upon newer music"
 
No, I meant that any new hit is basically a mutation of a previous hit.
 
You won't find the answer to that in this paper
 
Perhaps I'm just extrapolating too much from the findings.
 
2:35 AM
this is talking about the change in harmonic progression over the years
 
Also loudness.
 
I don't consider that to be a valid measurement, personally
As technology improved, loudness normalisation did as well. I don't see why it's worth comparing
Guess the same applies for a lot of things
 
A friend of mine told me some recording studios started recording their tracks louder or something to mask the shittier quality or something like that IIRC.
 
That... makes no sense.
 
It made sense when he told me, I don't remember the argument =/
 
2:40 AM
Well the paper semi-agrees
It got a little bit louder but I think that's due to better technology.
It's not a massive difference either.
Also makes no assertions about the quality of the song because that'd be a bit ridiculous even for academia
 
Tea time, brb
 
Sweets time :d
Cinnamon buns are the best
 
You like cinnabuns ?
 
user3010322
2:56 AM
STL knows I'm coming ;~;
 
I can't say hello @ScottW. :)
 
Xeo
3:17 AM
@ScottW I'm totally not insomniac!
I've just been performing minor touch-ups to my game-jam game
which means I can now go sleep. night
 
night
 
Xeo
the game jam was 3h ago :o
we still haven't decided if and what prizes we'll hand out
also, you should've participated
ya
Bartek spontaneously decided to do a 2h one
we'll prolly hold more
 
@Xeo quote?
 
Xeo
yeah, we'll have to see
we had a few dropouts, sadly
but 6 or so had something / finished their game
alright, see ya
 
@Xeo nice
 
3:26 AM
@Xeo See ya.
 
Hmm, the most advanced working computer in my house right now is probably my phone, followed by my psp and nds. Waaay down the list is the laptop I'm using now. :(
which is.... twelve years old.
 
3:51 AM
^ TIL raspberries contain more calories than strawberries
Strawberries taste so good that it's hard to believe that they are not meant to be eaten. (Just like anything we eat, of course.)
This makes me realize that nothing that we eat is meant to be eaten.
 
What do you mean "not meant to be eaten"?
 
The strawberry does not exist for the benefit of us.
It just exists and we eat it.
"meant to be" is perhaps a weird way to put it (I'm not a native English speaker..)
 
user3010322
4:06 AM
@Xeo WHAT THE FUCK
 
user3010322
WHY WAS I NOT INVITED
 
user3010322
D:<
 
user3010322
I know I was on a plane and all but shit man ;~;
 
Because you would overwhelm them :P
Btw, I think you can add your name to the list.
 
user3010322
It's a bit late, the competition is over. ;~;
 
4:07 AM
It is?
who won?
 
DMG
 
user3010322
THe judging is apparently tomorrow
 
user3010322
and I'll be interviewing all day tomorrow
 
user3010322
Why couldn't this be a weekend jam. ;~;
 
@ThePhD I didn't know about this until a few hours ago either.
 
user3010322
4:15 AM
=[
 
@ThePhD bartek just sort of made it happen out of the blue
 
@ThePhD Yeah we are like Michael Jackson. They don't care about us.
 
user3010322
Why does all the cool shit have to happen when I'm not here. D:
 
user3010322
WELL, FINE. I DON'T NEED YOU. I'LL JUST COMFORT MYSELF WITH BEING ABLE TO MEET STL. ;~;
 
Pics or it didn't happen.
 
4:19 AM
@ThePhD I got used to it.
 
@StackedCrooked I think strawberries (and raspberries) probably did evolve with the "intent" of being eaten. Animal eats the strawberry, some of the seeds survive for him to shit them out. Voila, seeds are spread around, away from the parent plant and right in the middle of some fertilizer.
 
@JerryCoffin So strawberries are indented to become shit?
 
@JerryCoffin and people think human birth is hard
 
@StackedCrooked No--shit is intended to become strawberry fertilizer--and we exist to help strawberries reproduce.
 
Guess the joke's on them since they can't grow in the modern sewage system.
@JerryCoffin oh
 
4:23 AM
@JerryCoffin That's a mindblowing revelation right-there
 
@StackedCrooked strawberry seeds are intended to be in shit
 
@Borgleader Well, we do have many other purposes as well. For example, alcohol also participates in our reproduction to ensure future generations to ferment and distill more alcohol.
 
@Borgleader There are a lot of cooler things in biology.
 
@MooingDuck A species for which "we are in deep shit now!" is a positive thing.
4
 
4:54 AM
Hmm. It would appear that to install Windows 7 on an origional macbook pro 2nd generation, one must first install windows xp, and then upgrade it, because Windows 7 is not supported so they never made Windows 7 drivers for this hardware, so Windows 7 cannot install itself. (And I don't have a copy of Vista to try)
(Also, WTF with mac being unable to eject cds without drivers except when turning on)
 
it would so appear that macbooks apple products are utter shit and should be avoided at all costs
 
agreed
I bought one once and regretted it ever since
I take that back
Apple makes excellent hardware. I've been stunned with the quality of the hardware. THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO MAKE SOFTWARE
 
you mean
 
the laptop body is nigh indestructible, glass screen is indestructible, the buttons are excellent, the trackpad is excellent, the battery is excellent. I've abused this thing for years, and other than being dirty it's pretty much in perfect shape
 
@MooingDuck I am sorry WHAT?!
 
4:58 AM
200$ hardware sold for 800$ ?
 
@ScarletAmaranth no, it's $1200 hardware sold for $2000
 
macs are good quality
especially the battery
 
but all the other computers are $700 hardware sold for $900. I can't find equal quality hardware :(
 
@MooingDuck other computers are n$ hardware sold for ... n$
 

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