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8:00 AM
nah
clang
ld's demangler doesn't understand clang++
 
I can't repro
must be a windows thing
 
I'm on linux
 
why can't I repro :s
 
think you need a more complicated testcase before he can't demangle anymore
 
"Not a mangled C++ symbol"
 
8:07 AM
?
 
@Rapptz well I just showed you the reproduction on coliru
I'm not bullshitting here
 
I know
 
8:20 AM
@Jefffrey Thanks!
@CatPlusPlus Mostly working and doings things away from the computer
 
@orlp Clang uses the same mangling as GCC. This should demangle.
 
@VáclavZeman well, try it for yourself: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/5114121381b9fe02
@VáclavZeman it demangles with g++, doesn't with clang++
 
is working at starbucks considered working at home?
 
depends if you live at starbucks
 
well not strictly there
 
8:32 AM
so yeah, from my very high level understanding of Rust so far, seems very nice.
Does sound like most of the 'language' based bugs would be detected, meaning you just need to concentrate on the logic of your code.
 
@thecoshman lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz what?
 
@thecoshman you are in the anti-haskell group right?
 
@BartekBanachewicz not really anti-haskell, more learnt-Erlang-first :P
 
OIC
anyway
do I get out of bed to work
I guess I do.
 
8:35 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Better work out of bed rather than out Starbucks...
 
oh, where you going to point out that Haskell also helps prevent you from language based bugs?
 
@BartekBanachewicz You work at starbucks?
 
@VáclavZeman good heavens, I thought you said 'Better work out'
 
@Mr.kbok well if I went there and took my PC I would be working there
 
I don't know why you would want to work at starbucks
 
8:36 AM
> I want the child pom to have a scm connection of www.mysite.com/child-pom.
 
@BartekBanachewicz afaik you can do that if you buy coffee
 
(as in, working remote from there, not literally for starbucks itself)
 
but do you mean at starbucks for starbucks or at starbucks in general
 
Oh the humanity
 
@orlp because I'd need to make my own coffee here
 
8:37 AM
@BartekBanachewicz get one of those coffee pad things
 
@thecoshman well, yeah :P
@orlp coffee what
 
A single-serve coffee container is a method for coffee brewing that prepares only enough coffee for a single portion. Single-serve coffee containers can both reduce the time needed to brew coffee and simplify the brewing process by eliminating the need to measure out portions, flavorings, and additives from large bulk containers. They can also help to keep the unused product fresher by individually packaging portions separately without exposing the entire supply batch to air and light. Paper coffee pods can be functionally identical to plastic and metal coffee capsules, if the paper pods ar...
 
ah those
eh they aren't that great
 
?
they're pretty much the same
 
That sucks. I know I have one of those
 
8:38 AM
@orlp I prefer freshly grinded coffee vOv
 
what about them suck?
ah
 
@Mr.kbok I am a gamedev now :P
 
if freshly grinded coffee is your baseline
then I guess it's worse
 
yeah well I don't drink non-freshly-grinded coffee p much at all
because hell it's baseline even at MCD
sure, it's relatively bad there, but they grind it on the morning
 
8:40 AM
oh yeah, did a fizzbuzz in rust last night, the results are rather nice. I really like being able to like match x{ _ if x%3==0 && x%5==0 => println!("fizz buzz!"), _ if x%3=00......
 
why onebox
 
@BartekBanachewicz grinded vs. ground?
 
@VáclavZeman uh oh
 
@orlp Amazon links
 
I already did
 
8:40 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Just checking...
 
@orlp vOv I'm slow in the cold mornings
 
@BartekBanachewicz you can get one of those
 
@orlp I think I'd rather buy a pressurized one, but this one seems nice too for the price
 
@VáclavZeman ground
 
@BartekBanachewicz not cheap, but it'll pay back if you order a lot at starbucks
 
8:41 AM
@orlp well I was preparing to pay around 5 times more for my coffee machine at home
 
@BartekBanachewicz fyi 'ground'
 
@thecoshman okayokay
@orlp basically I stick to traditional methods
 
@BartekBanachewicz please don't get me wrong, I just googled "auto grinder coffe machine" or something and pasted you the first link - I don't necessarily endorse this particular one
 
I use those 'krups' pods at work. They are better than the drip filter and machine (both using 'fresh' 'ground' coffee... well bagged).
 
8:42 AM
@BartekBanachewicz off to the well you go then laddy
 
Imma buy this thing someday
 
@BartekBanachewicz is that a vacuum filter thing?
oooh, no
 
@BartekBanachewicz is that a coffee machine or a highly illegal nazi neurotoxin fabrication process?
 
it's like every type of coffee machine combined into one o_0
 
Instant coffee FTW. I drink it because of the caffeine.
 
8:44 AM
@thecoshman I know it under the "coffee siphon" name
@VáclavZeman but it tastes like absolute shit
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have never eaten shit so I would not know. :D
 
but you've drinked it vOv
 
@BartekBanachewicz it looks a bit like the Italian 'cafatier'
 
okay I'll stop being all mean and hipster now
 
Seriously though, it does not taste bad, at least not the better than cheapest brands.
 
8:45 AM
it's not circulating is it?
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@thecoshman I know as much as you, srsly I only know it tastes really good.
 
@BartekBanachewicz to be honest, not shit coffee tastes ok. Freshly brewed is still nicer, but when your lazy, it works alright.
 
it's awfully bitter
 
@BartekBanachewicz I add sugar and milk, always.
 
8:46 AM
ugh.
 
TBH, I hate the floating bits of ground coffee in the mug. It gets in my teeth.
 
@BartekBanachewicz so hipster :P
 
@thecoshman ;)
 
@BartekBanachewicz again, don't get shit coffee :P
@VáclavZeman don't use a shit machine :P
 
okey so I'm going to SB
 
8:47 AM
Breaking news: Don't use shit products and you don't get shit!
3
 
I have to eat something first because I'm not paying for their food
ooooor
I could go to loveat instead
 
@thecoshman Well, the way it is done is without a machine. You just ground it, put some with sugar into a mug and pour boiling water over it. No filters or anything.
 
it's a nice hipster coffee place
 
@BartekBanachewicz don't forget your cashmere scarf.
 
decisions decisions
 
8:48 AM
@VáclavZeman that's instant...
 
@thecoshman lol
 
anyway I'm getting out of bed
 
@thecoshman No, that is ground coffee from roasted coffee beans.
 
@VáclavZeman I still use filters with this method FTR
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have never seen anybody do that here.
 
8:49 AM
also you have to grind it really well
the pieces should be like 1/4 of the size for the espresso machines
 
@VáclavZeman yeah... that's meant to be filtered...
 
For some reason it is called "turek" in Czech, which translates as Turk or Turkish to English.
@thecoshman Well, it never is, see above.
 
@VáclavZeman so basically you country fails at brewing coffee.
that's effectively like loose leaf tea.
 
I have no idea whether the Turkish tradition of making ground coffee is the same or if it is just misnomer.
@thecoshman lol, I guess, if you look at it that way.
@thecoshman According to Czech wikipedia it is Czech and Slovak custom. Supposedly, 90 % of coffee is done this way at homes in Czech and Slovak republics.
 
@VáclavZeman still bad :P
I'll stick to their traditional 'slivovitch' (no idea how to spell it)
really strong spirit
 
JBL
8:56 AM
Hi there!
 
@thecoshman I do not drink that. I am not your typical Czech person. I do not drink beer either. I do not watch football, a little more of hockey but still little.
 
@VáclavZeman vOv that's about all I know of Czeck. Well, that and Brno is a nice place... with a big ass croc :P
 
9:11 AM
Amarok is actually a very nice music player :-)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Cool, what kind of games?
 
@BartekBanachewicz pro or amateur?
 
9:28 AM
@thecoshman they pay me for that
@Mr.kbok 2D-casino like games, but my company plans to move to 3D hopefully too
 
Are any of you guys (music) tag editing guru's by chance?
 
@rubenvb ID3?
 
@BartekBanachewicz vorbis comments.
My portable media player doesn't cope well with albumartist, so I want to make the ogg's artist field equal to its albumartist field.
I may need to script this
 
@rubenvb Foobar will be able to do that
I used it for retagging back when I was listening to local files
 
9:44 AM
Hmm right. I used that on Windows. Let's see if I can get it to do what I want.
I just realized foobar isn't FUBAR, but is literally the lame ass foo bar variable names used in dumb examples everywhere.
Which doesn't make the name less good though.
 
good job. :P
Also the full name is Foobar2k
@rubenvb when you install it there should be batch retag option, look into manual for that
 
Xeo
fb2k <3
 
interesting in Rust that you have to explicitly say you want to be able to use a trait
so, how do Rust traits compare to C++s?
 
C++'s ones are annoying
 
well, there not there yet for one thing :P
oh is this more like 'type traits' where you slap on template tag things?
 
user1804599
10:01 AM
@thecoshman not at all.
 
user1804599
They're more like Java interfaces and Haskell type classes.
 
oh ok
 
that's what traits kinda are, no?
but I guess that means C++ can deduce stuff that isn't explicitly declared, and rust can't?
 
user1804599
Rust has generics, not templates.
 
@TemplateRex I like Italy.
 
user1804599
10:04 AM
Whether using a generic thing compiles does not depend on the body of that generic thing, but only on its signature.
 
Fuck me for using ALBUMARTIST
and ALBUM ARTIST
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think this MassTagger component works as advertised:
It removes the artist tag no matter what I try. Let's find a different component
 
uh that's some weird thing
 
I should see if I can get libogg to do this for me, I can program after all :-p
 
I used simple wildcard substitutions
uh fucking slow net
 
10:20 AM
meanwhile in italy:
 
That was like 3 years ago.
no one was hurt.
 
:(
don't hate me
 
@orlp jefffrey
 
hate reddit
 
10:24 AM
NOOOOO!
@rubenvb oh
that's a relief
 
the best part is that it was a second accident of that kind in that area IIRC
 
guess it comes with living near mountains? is that a mountainous area?
 
@orlp lol, wth?
 
nothing beats the view when you're in an area like that though
 
oh since people were talking about this earlier
 
10:29 AM
I want to move there
must be a pain to drive through the snow and ice during winter
but that's ok because I can't drive anyway lol
 
that's where I live
 
I like the buildings
we don't have that kind of architecture in Romania
I live here google.ro/…
 
@AlexM. hmm
@AlexM. If I have to believe those images there is a church no matter where you look
 
people usually take pictures of the center
there's that old cathedral there
I dunno what's wrong with them
the malls are much more photogenic
and pretty much any modern building
on a more serious note, old buildings are beautiful but I'd rather they did not exist
too often it happens for chunks to crumble and fall down
on my street there's this scaffolding that keeps the balcony of a very old building from falling
it doesn't happen often for someone to be hit by a bunch of bricks falling but...
I'd rather the risk was not there
 
 
10:38 AM
that looks like an amazing educational system and the US government was right to spend millions on it
/s
 
user1804599
the dumb factory
 
@orlp that's very old.
 
@Abyx 28/3/13
 
exactly
 
user1804599
10:46 AM
TIL you can kind of parameterise column names in PostgreSQL.
 
@orlp I'm yet to see a real life code with this error handling approach.
 
@AlexM. It's from a Christian Academy that closed for lack of funding.
 
I fixed a bug!
 
@AlexM. This one brca.us
 
user1804599
rm -rf potatoempire no more bugs
 
@Abyx the article contains snippets
 
@rightføld nah it's in my work project
 
@orlp which are horrible btw.
 
I'm reading up on C++ as a beginner. It says some lines end with a backslash. I read up and found "The practice of escaping the newlines at the end of a line is indeed to mark the continuation of the statement onto the next line. Apparently that was needed in the old C compilers, because it is no longer needed in any C compiler I've used since 1985. There is only one place that I'm sure it is still needed and that is in macro definitions of functions, something that is generally frowned upon in C++."
 
Is anyone here/knows anyone that is hiring? I can work remotely parttime, or on-site parttime if it's close to Amsterdam/Leiden
 
10:49 AM
Do we still need to have bachslashes at the end of a macro using VC++
 
@Dave correct. You shouldn't use `\` except in macros, and you shouldn't use macros if you're a beginner.
 
@Dave I'm not aware of any place where it's required other than in macros
 
@Dave yes, because macros work in a different way from language lexer
 
String constant continuation is done using "automatic" "concatenation"
 
10:50 AM
Hmmm. Despite being a beginner, the code I'm going into is not any where near beginner level. I have learned macros are generally (not always) bad, but, this code base is full full full of them
 
@Dave WTF, no?
 
Thank for your answers :)
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Fun fact: most software written in Haskell has bugs.
 
@Dave what code base is it?
@rightføld s/in Haskell //
 
What code base?
 
10:50 AM
You use the backslash to escape newlines not because of old compilers, but because... well, because you want to escape newlines.
 
@rightføld most software written has bugs
 
This is the code owned by the company I work for/...
who I probably shouldn't give a name
but it's a big company and everyone will likely heard of them
 
@Dave you're fucked then.
 
yes, I think I'll be learning C++ but the wrong way?
 
user1804599
@Dave do you also use Hungarian notation?
 
10:51 AM
@Dave stuck within a big company with a shitty codebase being a beginner sounds about right
 
hnngNotation
 
buy yourself a good book
 
I use hungarian yes, in C#
 
and learn from that. Don't borrow ideas from the code you work on.
 
user1804599
Microsoft confirmed.
 
10:52 AM
:)
But, I also use Pascal as well, for method names etc
@Bartek, I think if the code is of a certain standard/design then I will have to adhere to keep it consistant
 
user1804599
Now go confirm Half-Life 3.
 
names are bad because they don't help the compiler.
@Dave yes, that's true.
 
:(
 
user1804599
Names are good because they help the programmer.
 
what an interesting point to make @BartekBanachewicz
 
user1804599
10:53 AM
> Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute.
 
// prefer

MetresPerSecond carSpeed;

// to

float carSpeedMetresPerSecond;
 
user1804599
Speed carSpeed;
 
int _1 = 1; int _2 = 1; while (true) { int _3 = _1 + _2; _1 = _2; _2 = _3; std::cout << _1 << "\n"; }
 
yes, interesting way of viewing it. I must admit, in .NET land, who cares? Readable code, it takes some time to execute and works! (Unless I code it he he he)
 
@rightføld or that yes. I wanted to emphasize the data type importance.
 
10:55 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I prefer miles / a moment
 
@orlp rightfold solution caters for that
speed_cast<miles, moment>(carSpeed)
2
(akin to chrono::duration_cast)
 
@BartekBanachewicz cool!
 
user1804599
I want to make software.
 
@BartekBanachewicz how much faster is speed_cast compared to static_cast?
 
user1804599
10:57 AM
I want to ride my bicycle.
 
@rightføld so does queen
 
user1804599
If they touch my bicycle I'll knock their heads off.
 
my battery is draining but I am too lazy to get up and pick the power adapter
 
anyone ever used this? embed.cs.utah.edu/creduce
3
 
looks interesting
 
11:01 AM
@orlp @LucDanton does.
 
user1804599
> Two buttermilk pancakes topped with a bacon pentagram, berry maple syrup and served with fresh honeydew melon.
 
user1804599
Sounds good apart from the berry maple syrup and fresh honeydew melon.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
My question was too short to meet our strict quality standards. So I added a relevant quote. — daveloyall 11 hours ago
 
user1804599
Stack Exchange staff is good at making decisions.
 
user1804599
11:12 AM
Stupid communists.
 
JBL
11:25 AM
@rightføld At least the quote seems appropriate.
 
user1804599
 
there's this topcoder-like Romanian website, and they've added support for Java after some years of Pascal, C and C++ only
they said they're going to add ocaml and/or scala soon and now people (including me) have started to suggest languages
 
what's the merit of the website beig romanian?
 
11:32 AM
I'm tempted to drop something like "can you please also support ABAP? you'd make me and the other programmer happy"
@orlp I never claimed there was a merit
I mentioned it was a Romanian so that people knew why I wasn't dropping links
 
Yeah, it's a demerit.
:P
 
it's neither a merit or a demerit
it's a fact
 
this bug is more annoying
 
how do we know tomalak is not visiting this site in an alias?
 
We know he is.
 
11:45 AM
we know?
 
Ell
Its all of us
 
no, we know.
 
Ell
We are tomalak. We are legion. Do not forget. Do not forgive
 
I miss lrio
 
Yes, we know.
The alias is "Lightness Races in Orbit".
 
11:53 AM

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still used tomalak back then
 
Ell
did any of you guys do anything for bonfire night last night?
 
maybe he's reading the transcript from time to time
LRiO please come back and tell me how
uh, the English I speak is not real English because it's US English
see I already forgot which are crisps and which are chips
 
user1804599
@Ell bullshit
 
user1804599
I am not Tomalak.
 
Ell
@rightføld I don't believe you
@AlexM. crisps are "potato chips" (ie deep fried thin potato slices)
chips are "fries"
 
11:57 AM
woah
I'm the best
 
@Ell don't you try to be LRiO with me, doppelganger
 
I've noticed we use volatile for locks in our codebase
 
user1804599
@Ell I don't believe you
 
I see through your disguise
 
our senior dev managed to get us a greenlight to change them to std::atomic in an hour
 
Ell
11:57 AM
'@BartekBanachewicz it's a c++ gig then? awesome
 
(it's in a part governed by some other team)
 
user1804599
Never implement locks.
 
@Ell apparently more C++11 than I thought.
 
Ell
What company is this? it sounds gr8 to work at
 
Huuuge Games
@Ell It's my 2nd day, but it looks really nice so far.
 
user1804599
11:58 AM
> PHP Programmer - Bydgoszcz - Poland
 
@BartekBanachewicz these guys? huuugegames.com
 
user1804599
inb4 bartek has to do PHP
 
@rightføld nah, I'm doing completely separate things
 
user1804599
currently, yes
 
11:59 AM
casino stuff, huh
must be bringing in lots of money
 
user1804599
 

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