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7:00 PM
If you want it to return additional information have it return a tuple (or use state monad which is just a wrapper around that).
 
@Xeo that would be kinda cool if a game exited if the player dies
 
lol, what the hell happened to the starboard?
 
or powered off the machine
 
Xeo
@Mysticial idiot happened
 
@rightføld I don't want to return the state
I want the transformation to modify it or... well.
 
7:03 PM
So you want... mutability? :D
 
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Q: Compilable modern alternatives to C/C++

Jeremy FrenchI am considering writing a new software product. Performance will be critical, so I am wary of using an interpreted or language or one that uses a emulation layer (read java). Which leads me to thinking of using C (or C++) however these are both rather long in the tooth. I haven't used either fo...

Might also learn Haxe
I'm a bit too obsessed with the 'right' language
Would be better to just program in something and then decide
 
@exitc0de Yep, we've told you that already.
 
Start by forgetting nonsense requirements like "compilable"
 
But current list: Haxe, C++, Rust. Will be interesting
I didn't write that.
 
"compilable"? Yes, you did.
1 hour ago, by exitc0de
I want to learn a second compilable language pretty well. For gamedev I need a similar language anyway and Rust looks interesting.
 
7:07 PM
I mean that question.
I wanted something compilable because I would like to learn a high level language
And from the little I have learnt, prefer compiled languages to interpreted or otherwise typically. I realise that is not a great categorisation however.
 
...
 
@exitc0de See, that sentence makes no sense at all.
That's one reason you should forget about "compilable".
 
@CatPlusPlus This might be the perfect comment here.
 
Agh, this chat room is so argumentative and unconstructive. I was trying to explain my reasoning.
 
7:10 PM
are there any interpretable languages other than shell scripts?
@exitc0de get out then.
 
Not really
 
@Abyx Pretty much all languages are.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, but I mean actual implementations
 
What I am truing to say is: I haven't liked languages like Ruby, Python and similar. I prefer heavyweight languages like C++ and C# from what little I know.
 
I ban you all from using any language-related terminology
 
7:11 PM
Is that a better explanation?
 
@exitc0de And I was trying to explain why your reasoning is flawed. You need to stop thinking that any time someone disagrees with you they are <any of a number of a random adjectives>
 
I give up.
 
of course you can interpret C++ but there are no existing interpreters.
 
@exitc0de What do you mean by "heavyweight"?
 
@exitc0de I get what you mean. It has nothing to do with "compilable".
 
7:12 PM
C++, C#, Java, Rust
They are heavy
 
@Abyx There's one or two
 
That's not a definition.
 
I know.
 
yo momma is heavy
 
Of course, if instead of just shouting "NOT CONSTRUCTIVE" "ARGUMENTATIVE" "OTHER BULLSHIT" at every turn, you could have avoid all the work to get here.
 
7:13 PM
I seriously have no idea what you mean by heavy.
I'm not being pedantic or stubborn this time.
 
He probably means static typing.
 
By heavy: C++, Rust, C#, D 'Light': Python, Ruby, Lua
 
I'll psyduck a lot today
 
But you can't point out that what he says makes no sense, or you're unconstructive, or unreliable.
 
@exitc0de Still not a definition.
 
7:13 PM
I think heavy to learn
 
I am explaining my use of words, not defining them.
You don't need a definition to understand.
I explained just fine.
 
Of course, someone that makes up their own terms all the time and explains them in the vaguest way possible, is totally not unreliable.
 
I'm dumb.
You'll have to define it for me.
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And god forbid you mention something wrong with those terms.
 
It means whatever I want it to mean at the moment!
 
7:14 PM
hm... but wait, you can't interpret C++ because usually you need to have whole source file to execute it.
 
Do you not understand the difference between C++, C#, Java and Python, Ruby, Lua
 
@exitc0de it's absolutely terrible argumentation
 
I don't know terminology.
 
@Abyx Cling does it.
 
@exitc0de that's obvious
 
7:15 PM
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
He probably means static typing.
 
@exitc0de Then try with your own words.
 
But I am trying to explain in the most basic way.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lmao
 
I did.
 
The starboard is hilarious today.
 
7:15 PM
@exitc0de s/basic/shitty/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's llvm-based, it can't be an interpreter.
 
@exitc0de It didn't work!
 
why does microsoft use c# instead of c++
 
You're not being helpful.
@codejam.tk Because they like it.
 
Oh my God.
 
7:15 PM
Yes?
 
Yay. There come more of them!
 
It is so difficult to say anything here.
YOU CAN TELL WHAT I MEAN!
 
@exitc0de What? I'm just applying the same principle you do.
 
@exitc0de lol no
 
@exitc0de You are not explaining anything. You are listing a group of languages which share something common.
 
7:16 PM
No, we can't
 
so why are we taught c++ in college if c# is used everywhere
 
@exitc0de I swear to God I don't.
 
What is the point of this discussion anyway
 
isn't it just waste of time
 
There's as many differences between languages from your first category as there is between the two
 
7:16 PM
@codejam.tk define everywhere
 
app development
 
You have all these people telling you they don't understand what you mean, but yet it's their fault somehow.
 
@codejam.tk Living is a waste of time
 
lol
 
C++ is used a lot AFAIK.
 
7:16 PM
@codejam.tk that narrowed it down lol
 
Yes, college is waste of time, good job figuring it out
 
@codejam.tk yes, you're waisting our time here
 
I MEAN: I prefer languages like C++, C#, Java as opposed to scripting languages like Python ruby and lua because of the extended freedom, efficiency, features and libraries for software/game development.
 
sorry for wasting your time
 
7:17 PM
lol
 
For example you would use C# for GUI over python.
 
"I don't know any of those languages, but I'm sure I have MORE FREEDOM"
 
@codejam.tk Yes, no ever develops anything in Java. Not that Android is by far the biggest "app platform".
 
Dang, I managed to fuck up even a simple "lol" message. This is not my brightest day.
 
@exitc0de Maybe. Maybe not
Probably not
 
7:17 PM
@exitc0de There's no such a thing as scripting languages vs other languages. But I think I know what you mean now.
 
I'm not trying to piss you all off.
 
Quick question: I'm just reading some embedded c++ code and I came across this line: volatile bool full() volatile{ . The volatile here is completely superfluous right?
 
@exitc0de lol
 
Which seems to be what robot said.
 
But I am succeeding.
 
7:18 PM
no.
 
@exitc0de Efficiency is not a language feature
 
@exitc0de Have you heard of PyGame?
 
Yep
And I dislike it.
 
Pretty much all the languages you mention have gamedev libraries.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no.
 
7:18 PM
And yes I know what it is
 
There are no "gamedev features" in any of those languages.
 
@shuttle87 Which volatile? :D
 
I prefer the C way of doing things than the python way of doing things.
 
Also no, neither of those volatiles is superfluous.
 
@Griwes Sorry , should have specified. On the return type.
 
7:19 PM
@exitc0de Why?
 
@exitc0de What, overflow-the-buffers-at-every-opportunity?
 
Opinion.
 
P sure the return type one is
 
@shuttle87 Yes
 
Also lol volatile member functions.
 
7:19 PM
@exitc0de Oh ok then.
 
I have learned C & python. Now i'll begin learning c++ in my college course but i want develop windows phone apps + games. which are developed in c#. Even unity tutorials are based on C#.
 
I cannot be bothered to continue this.
 
You convinced me.
 
@shuttle87 wow, volatile *this
 
@Griwes If your object is volatile-qualified then you can only call volatile-qualified members
 
7:19 PM
I don't see much of the use of c++ in my case?
 
Same as const
C++ is very modern and great language
 
@Griwes Is there a better option for hardware mapped IO?
 
@Jefffrey @Jefffrey, stop doing that. He was so constructive!
 
-.-
 
"Opinion." is one of the most constructive messages ever posted here.
 
7:20 PM
Right, the one on return value means nothing. My brain farted.
@CatPlusPlus I know. That comment still stands.
 
You criticise and argue about every petty error
 
He seriously convinced me though.
That he is a troll.
 
Just now?
 
any one answer my question please you guys are c++ pro's help me :(
 
Can you not see how C++ is heavier than Python in a relatively loose way?
 
7:21 PM
No, we can't.
 
So I'll follow standard troll protocol.
 
Everyone here hates C++.
 
Highly sophisticated trolls are indistinguishable from incompetent.
 
And is unhelpful.
Ask a question on SO
 
@exitc0de How hard do we have to say we don't for you to understand that we don't?
 
7:21 PM
@shuttle87 Obviously not. I just prefer not doing it that precise way - I usually have a function that reads a specific register, but as a free function that uses a pointer-to-volatile, not volatile objects you call functions on.
But that's of course a matter of style.
 
Don't ask here.
That was my mistake.
 
@exitc0de what the fucking
 
i don't hate c++ but can build something creative with c++. Windows phone apps, Games, etc?
 
lol you're not making. any. fucking. sense.
 
@exitc0de wat
 
7:22 PM
whatsoever.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is that enough to prove that he is a troll?
 
Pin the rules message already
 
Seriously guys.
 
@codejam.tk lol
 
You are deluding me in so many ways.
 
7:22 PM
@Griwes Ok, interesting idea.
 
I am not even trolling.
 
I think this is heading in a way where the whole discussion needs to be unhad.
 
@Griwes why lol....please explain
 
Yep.
Everyone hates me for being ignorant.
And pro-C++
 
Who said they hate you?
 
7:23 PM
And new.
You're just overly critical and negative.
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I don't know terminology.
 
Thank you.
 
Yup
 
Etc.
 
@exitc0de That's fine.
 
7:24 PM
@exitc0de Why don't you just leave if you hate this room so much?
Maybe because you like trolling this room?
 
@codejam.tk Unhad. Erased from existence.
 
Because apparently they are particularly vulnerable to trolling today.
 
I am new to programming. I'm ignorant. But whenever I ask something you criticise the smallest misuse of terminology for no constructive reason other than to cause an argument.
 
I have to convince all these people who worked with this piece of shit language for years that it's actually a good language!
 
I mean just look at the mess he made you do on the starboard.
What the fuck is that shit.
 
7:25 PM
@exitc0de Yes, we tell you that you expressed yourself wrong. Clearly unhelpful.
 
some guy said c# for GUI what does that mean? C++ users can create GUI apps or something. I think they can :(
 
facepalm
 
@codejam.tk You can do GUI in assembly
 
@exitc0de You'll go much farther if you assume when people point flaws they mean good. It's hard to fix something you don't know needs fixing.
 
Agh, nvm.
 
7:25 PM
You can do GUI in brainfuck.
 
This isn't the right place for intelligent, reasoned discussion. You wouldn't say stuff like this in an answer on SO.
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@exitc0de Why don't you just leave if you hate this room so much?
 
You guys are just comfusing me. I am just a kid trying to figure out things
:(
 
@exitc0de Here's a tip: Don't be "pro" something you don't know or understand. It makes you look dumb. Saying that you want to learn C++ is great. Saying "I don't know C++ yet, but I am convinced it is the best language" is stupid. Don't be stupid. Learn the language first. Then learn another language so you have something to compare with. Then decide whether you feel that C++ is the better of those two languages. :)
 
Oh for fuck's sake just get out
I'm growing extremely tired of this
 
7:26 PM
Really?
Like, only now?
 
@CatPlusPlus Then leave yourself.
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Wake up people
 
@Jefffrey Sheeple, you mean. It's sheeple
 
Learn assembly. It has pointers, auto and pairs
 
I'm leaving anyway.
Not acheiving anyway.
*thing
 
7:27 PM
Good bye.
 
Let me help you on your way out
 
I have the feeling you won't actually leave, but w/e.
 
@Jefffrey no idea
@exitc0de yeah get out
 
FTR kicked for 1 minute
 
Nice
That will show him
 
7:28 PM
Big guys still trolling out...nothing constructive :(
 
OMG the constructivity police is here in force today.
 
hey nobot
sup?
 
I just hanged my pc
 
I need to apply that thing where you always start criticism with something positive.
 
I typed in length (cycle [10])
 
7:29 PM
@Puppy I like cheese. You're a moron that misspells 'robot' on purpose.
Does that work?
 
leaving bye :(
 
Liking cheese is positive, right?
 
you're supposed to start with a positive about that person.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No. There is no cheese
 
7:29 PM
What did you want to know codejam?
 
@Puppy You're cool. You're also a moron that misspells 'robot' on purpose.
 
Robor help I'm gonna destroy something
 
Much better, indeed.
 
I want to know that should i actually start with c++ ?
 
7:30 PM
i want to create windows app which are written in c#
 
@codejam.tk Start with anything!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It may be negative for you, but you're too selfish. I think that it's a positive. It certainly amuses me, if briefly.
 
Just start!
 
@codejam.tk What about starting with english grammar?
 
You're not marrying C++.
 
7:30 PM
Learn C# for Windows. Whatever you want.
 
And if you did, you could just divorce anyway.
 
that is exactly what I think, nobot.
 
You're learning it. If you don't like it, change.
 
@Columbo Its a 'lounge'. Spelling is not that important
 
@Columbo thanks for the tip
 
7:31 PM
Allright, allright, that was nitpickerish.
 
but wasn't actually required
 
Learn anything
But don't be too focused
 
ok
exitcOde
 
Most important of all: Don't take advice from random Internet strangers.
 
ignore that exitc0de dude
 
7:32 PM
And don't listen to other people when you begin.
 
he doesn't know shit.
 
Ignore everyone. Just learn something. Ignore me.
 
like, I personally would be amazed if he could shit in a toilet.
 
thanks exitcOde
 
literally.
@Cat your services are required again.
 
7:33 PM
And this is more helpful for general programming help for new people: reddit.com/r/learnprogramming
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Columbo first learn to respect others.
 
oh god and a redditor of course
 
God
 
What's wrong with reddit?
 
Stop fucking starring every single thing
 
7:34 PM
learnprogramming is very helpful.
 
Or I found it so.
 
cat just kick him again dunno
 
Now we don't have to feel bad about being unhelpful.
 
7:34 PM
We can just send people there.
 
I am not even talking to anyone else. I am recommending something to codejam that helped me personally.
 
I love how exitc0de just took over the star-board.
 
You can't kick someone for using reddit.
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he's da best
 
@Nican He didn't even do it on purpose.
 
7:35 PM
@exitc0de I suppose Cat can prove you otherwise
 
Then, sorry for recommending
reddit
 
@BartekBanachewicz The fuck. That would not be reasonable.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes implying that we only do reasonable things
 
I will try not to piss anyone off. But you guys are pretty easily annoyed.
 
@exitc0de it's been 2h FTR
 
7:36 PM
I recommended something that helped me and that will help him.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What would be reasonable is if this guy just left the chat. It seems like he's spent the last six hours trolling everybody.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That doesn't change how reasonable it is.
 
@exitc0de We get it.
 
7:36 PM
Ok, good.
Bartek doesn't. But nvm. I am not trying to flame.
 
@StackedCrooked You only found out about it today because it's a useless feature.
 
@exitc0de Yes, you just have to call us long strings of negative adjectives.
 
I realise that was not necissary.
 
I actually read about this in Alexandrescu's Modern C++ Design.
 
But at least it's strings of constructive negative adjectives.
 
7:37 PM
But you weren't very newb friendly.
 
@Puppy I can't immediately think of a useful application.
 
We don't do "newb friendly". Only "friendly".
 
@StackedCrooked None exists.
 
@exitc0de did you expect otherwise?
 
Being new means we don't know you and you don't know us either. That's it.
 
7:38 PM
Like: Hi, is Rust a good alternative to C++ for game programming. 'C++ sucks! Stop asking for compilable languages!'
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes we kinda should stop feeding the troll
 
Ok, I'll shut up.
 
please do
 
I'm seriously not trying to troll anyway.
 
man
I used to be the one being here for hours fighting the trolls.
 
7:39 PM
I posted one thing after being kicked to help out codejam and already managed to insight another flame war for recommending reddit.
 
@Puppy Did you reach level 60?
 
I got a job, does that count?
 
@Puppy Now you are in a new dungeon, fighting more powerful enemies.
 
@exitc0de Pro-tip: if you annoy people, they'll be annoyed.
2 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@exitc0de Yes. No. Maybe.
This was literally the first answer you got. It's the correct one.
 
You posted it :P
But you were helpful.
And I will use Rust.
 
7:41 PM
I know. If you were not new you'd know I am always right.
No time for puns.
 
:P
I annoyed people by saying pairs made C++ modern.
 
they don't
 
In all seriousness, do they exist in Rust/C# to your knowledge? Feel free to tell me I don't need them.
@Puppy I know
 
@Puppy oh yeah, how's life on a salary?
 
substantially more lucrative
 
7:44 PM
@exitc0de I've mentioned several times that pretty much every damn language out there has pairs in some form or the other.
 
@Puppy :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes usually in better forms
 
Ok, others kinda drowned that out, but thanks.
 
6 mins ago, by exitc0de
Ok, I'll shut up.
 
Am I still causing a problem?
 
7:45 PM
@Puppy so are you gonna buy a mac?
 
LOL no
 
I haven't ran into anything that annoys me in C++.
 
register being a keyword is annoying
 
18 mins ago, by Jefffrey
I have the feeling you won't actually leave, but w/e.
I hate to be right.
 
7:46 PM
@exitc0de Which is fine, but it only shows how little you have scratched the surface. (which is also fine)
 
dat "wrong"
 
If you learn more you'll eventually start finding things to dislike.
 
In small scale game development you don't need to know that much of the language you are using? (or so I have found so far - feel free to correct :P)
 
(It's like with most things in life, I guess; C++ is just particularly adept at giving you things to dislike)
 
@exitc0de wow
 
7:47 PM
And with simpler C++ code, you run into less problems.
 
@exitc0de why limit yourself to basic? O.o
 
wow x 2
 
If you want to keep code simple to avoid problems, there are better languages out there.
 
I'm not.
 
@exitc0de It's also a matter o having something to compare to. If C++ is the only language you know, then you don't really know how things could be better, so even C++'s most broken features might not annoy you
 
7:48 PM
@exitc0de And at a small scale, pretty much every language does well.
 
Meh, that was a stupid thing to say.
 
you're a stupid thing to say
 
What's the equivalent of pairs in C#?
 
that's a Puppyism you can keep.
@exitc0de a pair
 
Tuples of two elements.
 
7:49 PM
@Jefffrey readonly state
is there anything like it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes KeyValuePair
 
163
Q: What is C# analog of C++ std::pair?

Alexander ProkofyevI am interested what is C# analog of C++ std::pair? I have found System.Web.UI.Pair class, but wanted something template based. Thank you!

 
can I treat StateT as ReaderT
 
Things like pairs and pointers are more difficult in C# than in C++ though, aren't they?
 
@Puppy There are actual tuples now. It's much more preferable for generic pairs.
 
7:49 PM
lol
 
@exitc0de Tuple<Foo, Bar> vs std::pair<Foo, Bar>?
 
@BartekBanachewicz no because it doesn't make sense
 
Horrendously difficult, yeah :p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know. Merely pointing out that strictly, the analog would be a KVP.
 
@exitc0de Pointers are a lot easier. They're also everywhere.
 
7:50 PM
Ok
I guess I'm too used to C++
 
lol
 
Which is my first and pretty much only language
 
you're clearly not used to it at all.
in fact, you clearly don't know shit about it.
 
@exitc0de There's nothing wrong with that. You have to learn your first language before you can learn your second one. :)
 
everyone's gotta start somewhere
 
7:51 PM
Fiiiiinally
 
@exitc0de That's ok. It however means you're not in the best spot to judge how well it compares to anything else.
 
-> % sudo cat /etc/consul-template.hcl
consul = "consul.service.symplus"

template {
    source = "/etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg.ctmpl",
    destination = "/etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg",
    command = "chmod 640 /etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg && chgrp haproxy /etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg && sudo service haproxy reload"
}
 
but protip: you've only just started.
 
Yep.
 
whereas I, the master of C++, know all.
 
7:51 PM
@exitc0de learn JavaScript. It'll broaden your mind
 
Mmmm, tea
 
Generating this was trickier than it looks :v
 
I don't really know where to go from here.
 
RARGH FUCK JAVASCRIPT
 
@exitc0de Write code?
 
7:52 PM
Puppy had to code in JS for his job over the last couple of days.
and seriously
 
You wanted to make a game, so make one! See where it takes you. You'll learn lots along the way
 
I make mini projects but I want to learn more of the language
 
FUCK JAVASCRIPT.
 
Such reasoning
 
@exitc0de Just cut out the "mini".
 
7:52 PM
@exitc0de Make bigger or more challenging projects then?
 
@Puppy what was so wrong?
 
@exitc0de Make something bigger?
 
But even so, that's just using the code I know.
 
@SterlingArcher You don't know what's wrong with JavaScript?
let's see
 
Point taken though. I will.
 
7:52 PM
orgasm of totally pointlessly bug-introducing dynamic typing.
 
Well, read more about it. You'll find features that make making big things easier.
 
hideously weak typing.
slow.
no proper concurrency support.
 
I learnt function pointers through my speed distance and time super mini-project.
 
the APIs are beyond shitty.
only mutable reference objects.
 
And codereview is pretty good for suggesting alternatives
 
7:53 PM
there's no structure or type system worth using.
 
What Puppy is getting at is that a lot of its flaws are actually shared with C++ :p
 
Most of that seems rather opinionated
 
JavaScript is less of a language and more of a splodge.
 
@Puppy like I said.... :)
 
7:54 PM
How about you try to explain it without a biased point of view?
 
programming it is like trying to ejaculate on to the head of a pin 50 feet away.
 
@SterlingArcher How do you know it's biased?
You know nothing about him. Which biases did he show?
 
@jalf C++ has types.
 
@Puppy So does JavaScript :p
 
meh
not really.
 
7:55 PM
C++ also has a pretty messed up type system :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes typically if one cannot debate without name calling (aka shitty APIs, hideous weak typing), it's a sign of a poor arguement
 
How can you tell his biases apart from yours?
 
I wonder if a statically typed language could work in a browser.
 
Where am I in terms of the book suggestion thread on C++ on SO. I've pretty much covered all the beginner stuff, should I get an 'intermediate' book?
 
not that I'm trying to say that C++'s type system is not fucke dup
 
7:55 PM
What makes weak typing so hideous?
 
but it's at least not pointlessly dynamic.
 
If I get a book at all.
 
I work with JS everyday and I have no issues with it
 
@Puppy I like that term. "Pointlessly dynamic" :)
 
@SterlingArcher Yeah, that seems like a bias of yours towards a particular choice of words.
 
7:56 PM
@SterlingArcher That just means that you don't know how to make code structure benefit you.
 
Features: detailed logging!
 
I would rather discuss with cited resources, rather than hearing "hideous" and "shitty"
 
2014/11/06 20:56:12 [ERR] exit status 1
t-h-a-n-k-s
 
Why does everyone star my posts when they disagree with them? Is that irony?
 
yes.
 
7:57 PM
@Puppy that's a rather interesting statement O.o
 
Actually, it's about ethics in language design
 
@rightføld I'm working on a simple REPL, wanna give it a try? :)
 
Thanks for the clarification.
 
@SterlingArcher It's extremely hard to reason about, it's extremely hard to get right, it's extremely unhelpful for the programmer
 
@exitc0de Some of the books in the beginner section go beyond beginner stuff, btw.
 
7:57 PM
@CatPlusPlus meaning?
 
I have covered Accelerated C++ and C++ for the absolute beginner etc
 
Meaning what I said
 
what it really boils down to is that the programmer cannot make any useful restriction on the states his program can be in.
 
Also, I found C++ Primer really horrible to learn from
 
@exitc0de I have been working with Java since 2001. Why do you ask? What do you want to know about Java?
 
7:57 PM
@CatPlusPlus No, please cite everything.
 
Dynamic weak typing is the worst typing discipline you can possibly have aside from no typing
 
I might try youtube tutorials again
 
@SterlingArcher You haven't looked at the transcript much, have you?
Also, points can be made without citations.
 
Like, by thenewboston and codingmadeeady etc.
 
7:58 PM
And citations are not mutually exclusive with describing things negatively.
 
No, I don't come here. I hear it's a lot of drama, and I haven't worked with C++ much
 
thenewboston rings a bell
We probably made fun of it at some point
 
Is there anything worse than games which split their tutorials into 16 different chapters?
 
Probably.
The sort of thing you would. Too mainstream.
 
@SterlingArcher Does any other room have people throwing citations around often?
 
7:59 PM
But they're helpful.
 
@jalf JavaScript.
 
You can use JS with Unity :D
 
is this the best book to learn c++ : amazon.com/A-Tour-C-Bjarne-Stroustrup/dp/1502343657
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well that runs under the impression I'm just supposed to believe what I'm told?
 
@SterlingArcher So, basically, that's a false dichotomy.
 
7:59 PM
I wrote a javascript thing the other day :)
 
No.
 
@jalf 17 chapters
 
@SterlingArcher You're not supposed to just believe it.
 
@SterlingArcher Another false dichotomy.
 
@codejam.tk If you already know another language, then this book is a great intro to C++, yes.
 
7:59 PM
Terrible tutorials teaching horrible things is not 'helpful' by any definition
 

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