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5:09 PM
@rightføld some Swedish for you^
 
[ ⓣⓗⓔ ⓡⓤⓛⓔⓢ ](loungecpp.net/w/Newbie_hints)
Why does this not work?
Are unicode characters inside a link not allowed or what
 
Gorgeous.
 
@Columbo I know for a fact that they are allowed.
@Columbo Example: A (Brought to you by the Unicode character U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A)
 
@RobertHarvey It still sucks
@Columbo Because murkdown is parsed using a shitload of semi-broken regexes
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson Sounds more like German.
 
user1804599
5:18 PM
@EtiennedeMartel dat high res
 
@CatPlusPlus They pointed out that languages like Java give you less opportunities for this to happen, which is partly why Java is such a popular language for enterprise applications.
 
user1804599
Looks great indeed.
 
user1804599
Java has a great ecosystem.
 
Java is popular for enterprise because of lobbying
Java ecosystem is p good though
 
5:19 PM
C++ is still stuck in 1980
 
user1804599
Also, scratch setting the story in 1800.
 
Well, the legacy code is. The habits of some C++ programmers are. But not the language.
C++11 seems quite modern to me.
 
user1804599
I'm setting it in 2050, just after the technological singularity.
 
The language is built on years of horrible design decisions
And tools suck, so working with it is an experience in frustration and insanity
 
@CatPlusPlus That sounds professional.
 
5:21 PM
Ask Robot about MSVC
 
Oh, don't get me started.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That was anticipated. I should've said non-ANSI characters.
 
Oh god, that's even worse.
 
What's an ANSI character
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't know
 
5:23 PM
@rightføld She sounds like a manager.
 
If you're not qualified to use the term "Unicode character", stay away from "ANSI characters".
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson Same thing.
 
We now have threads in dicsourse that have more messages posted after being closed than before being closed.
 
user1804599
@Columbo gimme teh (ansi character) codez
 
5:24 PM
I really don't know why we bother with closing anything
 
Do any of you use Paket.exe?
 
VC6 docs.
@Columbo If you want to know, the reason you only find that in VC6 docs is that Microsoft has abandoned the term by virtue of being, well, full of wrong.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see. TIL.
So how should I call it, just Windows 1252?
 
Yeah, that's what you linked to is.
But what you should call what you wanted to refer to... I don't know.
You have to be more clear on which characters you meant.
 
lol medieval encodings
 
5:28 PM
Maybe "Character that breaks this".
That's a common use.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Precisely the characters that are not in CP-1252. Such as, for example, ⓢ.
Anyway, it seems you got it working.
Are you a god?
 
robogod
 
Too bad you can't read that so it's not a good pin
Robovandalism
 
user1804599
5:32 PM
oh god
 
user1804599
repair tool is awesome
 
Oooh, better idea.
lol
 
Go to the sandbox or whatevre
 
I'm just trying out stuff.
 
See above
 
5:33 PM
Much better edit message.
 
2 vs 3 / 3. but there's no 1
thanks jeff
 
@CatPlusPlus Where? I cannot quote his text to see the Murkdown, can I?
 
If you want to "try out stuff", go to the fucking sandbox
 

Sandbox

Where you can play with regular chat features (except flagging...
This.
 
Also these fucking prompts
 
5:35 PM
There we go, it works
 
Xeo
unreadable shit yay
 
IM A FUCKING ADMIN I WILL DO WHATEVER I WANT
 
Off topic but hey: Is Rust a viable alternative to C++ for cross platform software engineering and game development? I love C++ as a language and especially C++ 14 but want to find another similar language to learn with the same concepts. C++ seems a perfectly modern language to me though meh.
 
Frakking toasters.
@exitc0de Yes. No. Maybe.
 
Xeo
5:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What, did you cut your finger with one?
 
@Xeo No. I meant dictoasters.
 
@exitc0de why do you want to learn more of the same thing?
learn something new
 
Ah, yes, three people did.
 
@exitc0de Rust doesn't have the same concepts.
 
Because every other language I find I dislike. C# feels less useful and so does Java, C++ just makes sense.
 
5:37 PM
lol
rip your brain
 
I want to learn a second compilable language pretty well. For gamedev I need a similar language anyway and Rust looks interesting.
 
@exitc0de Well, Java is pure shit. C# isn't.
 
@exitc0de It's not similar.
 
user1804599
> C++ just makes sense.
 
:P
 
5:38 PM
@exitc0de Learn C, then.
 
@exitc0de Most languages are compilable, btw.
 
:P
 
I like the newer features
 
dicsourse just makes sense
 
Like pairs and auto etc.
 
5:39 PM
@exitc0de you still revolve around the same things
 
That makes C++ a modern language
 
try haskell?
a lisp?
 
@CatPlusPlus Dick sauce?
 
5:39 PM
Pairs and auto make C++ a modern language?
 
No lol
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Pairs: that makes C++ a modern language [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
But the recent additions have helped
 
Pairs are not a recent addition.
 
Xeo
damn. today will be a long day :<
and I planned to actually reduce my overtime hours.
 
5:40 PM
And type inference is only "modern" in C++ or Java.
 
@Xeo sucks :(
 
@Xeo Probably just 24 hours as usual.
 
planning to end mine in some 15 mins
 
Because Java is pretty much the only one that took longer than C++ to realise it.
 
Is there another language which allows you to use pointers safely that is 'more modern'?
 
5:40 PM
"another language which allows you to use pointers safely"
 
dicsourse won
 
How is C++ not a modern language
 
C++ does indeed allow you to use pointers safely.
 
What is it missing?
 
Just like it allows you to use pointers not-safely.
@exitc0de Proper tools.
 
user1804599
5:41 PM
Most languages allow you to use pointers safely.
 
What do you mean 'proper tools'
 
Tools that aren't terribly broken shit
 
user1804599
They just tend to call them references because they are scared.
 
@exitc0de Pointers are irrelevant.
 
C++ is just too powerful.
4
 
5:42 PM
Libraries that are written by people who actually know the language
 
Boost?
 
@exitc0de lol
 
And there are plenty of game engines for people like me.
 
See above
 
5:43 PM
lol
 
user1804599
Speaking of games I better get started.
 
Stereotype wins.
 
Ell
@exitc0de c++ game engines?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I covered everything... let me know what I missed, whilst there's time :P
 
?
 
5:43 PM
any way, dinner time :D
 
@exitc0de You might like this: youtube.com/…
 
Name a language trying to do the same as C++ which you consider 'more modern'.
 
@exitc0de C++ game engines are horrible. To give an example, every one of them (that I know) has at least one manager class
 
SDL OpenGL?
 
Not a game engine
 
5:45 PM
> There was an error moving posts to the new topic.
There was an error writing this piece of shit software
 
OpenGL provides the engine, SDL for easier rendering and sound and stuffs.
Both are fine
 
those are not engines
 
You can mass delete but you can't mass undelete
 
...still not a game engine
 
You mean physics?
 
5:46 PM
an engine is... unity
which lets you write C#
or unreal engine 4
 
which lets you... draw diagrams
of some sort
 
I think I broke it
Completely
 
user1804599
@exitc0de Why do you want something C++-like anyway?
 
you're working with pieces of engines, and not enough of them to make an engine
 
5:47 PM
@exitc0de Irrlicht. Ogre3D. Unity. UDK. They contain primitives geared specifically for games.
 
@rightføld GOTTA GO FAST
Use blowlang
 
user1804599
lol
 
It blows faster than c++
 
I wish Unity supported C++
 
I don't
 
5:47 PM
Why?
 
is jonathan blow always holding presentations in his empty office after everyone left
or is that his home
 
There was never anyone there
 
I like how anti C++ the C++ chatroom is.
 
I really think @exitc0de will like his talks.
 
5:48 PM
@exitc0de Not a C++ chatroom
 
@thecoshman wording too informal?
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@exitc0de lounge, thst is
 
No one has named a C++ alternative
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
user1804599
5:48 PM
The games he writes probably run on a 2002 machine when written in Java.
 
@exitc0de Wide
 
Wide?
 
user1804599
@exitc0de Haskell.
 
It's an alternative.
 
Haskell is less modern.
 
user1804599
5:49 PM
top kek
 
user1804599
define "modern" will ya
 
:laffo:
 
@exitc0de Jonathan Blow, which I linked above, is working on one.
 
Is he actually?
 
5:49 PM
He had a demo on talk #3.
 
jeff is too powerful
 
Everyone seems pretty anti-him
 
@exitc0de Year of creation is irrelevant. Haskell is more modern than Java, you see.
 
user1804599
Jonathan can blow my dick.
 
Java isnt modern eother.
*either.
 
5:50 PM
nobody recommends D :(
 
user1804599
Define "modern" dammit.
 
D is less widely supported.
 
I really think it's nice from what I explored... in the three days I used it
 
> Hahaha it worked with zoink
@Cat Famous last words.
 
user1804599
If you want a widely-supported C++-like language the only option is C++.
 
5:51 PM
at the end of the day, if you want to make games
 
Features + Efficiency + Resources = Modern
 
just kidding, you won't make games
 
@exitc0de lol
 
How ya know?
 
@exitc0de Haskell
 
user1804599
5:51 PM
@exitc0de And your game probably doesn't need any of those.
 
user1804599
Also Haskell.
 
how many games have you made
if you really wanted to make games
gamemaker would have been enough
 
user1804599
GameMaker was great.
 
you just want to pretend that you're making games
you pretender.
 
Gamemaker is ugly
Unity is nice but I prefer more freedom
 
5:52 PM
@exitc0de And this is relevant... why?
 
user1804599
Just write the damn game.
 
> Unity is good enough for AAA titles.
 
Is Rust not a viable alternative
 
> exitcode needs more freedom
wat
 
user1804599
5:53 PM
Yes, it is.
 
I don't want to make AAA titles.
 
user1804599
Go use Rust, make the game and tell us about it when you published it (i.e. never).
 
Rust looks nice.
 
I NEED FREEDOM TO WRITE SHITTY CODE
 
It's not shitty code.
It's intended behavior.
 
user1804599
5:53 PM
That's an offense to shit.
 
I have the advantage of not having bad C++ 03 practices
 
takes a 5 minute look at the engine, without even knowing what it's capable of or what the game is supposed to be like
 
user1804599
I have the advantage of not having C++ practices.
 
Having started learning at C++ 11/14
 
THIS NOT ENOUGH FREEDOM
 
5:54 PM
What do you think about singletons
 
UNITY SUCKS SO LIMITED
 
Unity isn't limtted
 
@exitc0de No, it gives you less freedom.
 
zoink
 
user1804599
Talking with you about software development is as possible as the triangle in your avatar.
 
5:55 PM
Why?
lol
 
singletons are p cool eh
 
It's the "Because it's not Haskell" defense again, but with C++.
 
user1804599
() is my favourite singleton.
 
@exitc0de because you don't develop software, for one?
 
I learnt quite a bit of Unity but I prefer to program more myself rather than just behaviours.
 
5:56 PM
you haven't even chosen a tool
 
No, i don't
 
I really love writing boilerplate too
 
@AlexM. How do you know that?
 
I am learning as much about software development, game development and programming languages as I can.
And I don't pretend to have written software.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I got lucky
 
5:56 PM
Good thing you separated software development and game development
 
I don't want to develop bad habits and I don't want to learn the wrong languages
 
now now, don't ruin my moment, he may believe I extra-stalked him somehow
 
I'm not as ignorant as you think.
 
i don't want to talk about c++
 
anyway
 
5:57 PM
Let's talk about dicsourse
 
may I recommend gamedev.stackexchange?
 
Then change lounge.
 
and their chatroom?
go there to ask about gamedev
 
I'm not just learning gamedev
 
room topic changed to Lounge<Pairs>: Pairs: that makes C++ a modern language [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
5:57 PM
I want to learn C++ as a language not a tool.
 
There I changed it
 
yes, there are AAA C++ developers there
go ask them
 
they worked on awesome games like Guild Wars
 
Languages are tools hth
2 posts I selected didn't get moved
goooooooooooooooooooooooood
 
5:58 PM
C++ was designed as am object oriented advance on C. I intend to learn software engineering with C++.
5
 
user1804599
Hey @BartekBanachewicz if you make games in spare time where do you get assets from
 
@exitc0de WTF is a "wrong language"?
 
user1804599
PHP
 
@exitc0de lol
 
top kek
 
5:59 PM
@rightføld Good point.
 
@rightføld I make them myself, but there's a lot of CC content available.
 
user1804599
Ah, I see.
 
@rightføld may I suggest opengameart.org?
 
libraries of various assets and the like
 
5:59 PM
I want to find a C++ like language that has tools like pointers, multiple return types standard library tools and such and there isn't one.
 

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