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9:00 PM
That's pretty bad.
 
yes.
 
so only passing pointers/references to code compiled with other template implementation breaks
 
C++ should put a version number in the std namespace name :P
 
@StackedCrooked GCC already did.
 
9:01 PM
their existing std::string is technically std::__7::string, IIRC.
 
shared library hell?
 
then their new std::string will be std::__8::string.
so incompatible binaries will fail to link together, due to the different manglings.
 
I see.
Btw, boost 1.53 is on coliru since this morning.
6
 
a nice QoI touch IYAM
 
Ell
what are the problems with a uniform ABI? are there pros/cons to each? or do they just like to differ for the sake of not having to change?
 
9:03 PM
the problem with a uniform ABI is that maintaining it is a bitch when you need to change relevant details.
i.e., implementation of your Standard library.
secondly, there's lots of stuff which might be more effective on a different architecture or with a different design.
 
you could pass a reference to something compiled externally which is expecting a different memory layout for the vector which calls the wrong implementation for it
 
it's like designing a language itself- anything you define, you're stuck with it indefinitely.
 
@DeadMG Yeah, that's it.
 
Ell
yeah
 
most of it isn't too tough, except where the representations of Standard library objects are concerned.
 
9:05 PM
@DeadMG Or actually designing anything that isn't a final consumer of code.
 
You should invent expiring language features.
That fade away over time.
 
rfeatures!
 
xfeatures?
 
Ell
I think that's actually a good idea :3
but I guess it wouldn't happen in the real world
you could have LTS features :P
 
The feature has a ref-count. Once nobody uses it anymore it is destroyed.
 
9:07 PM
well
there's a certain part of me that says "If you want to keep using old features, then just suck up the old compiler."
 
There's also a part of the users that says "Fuck off, I'll use <competitor>"
 
You shouldn't worry about breaking changes yet :)
 
heh
 
@StackedCrooked Yes, you should. Having a flexible enough design and a deprecation procedure in-place can do wonders.
 
well, since I have no competition, they have nowhere else to go :P
 
9:09 PM
@Mysticial this might interest you
New prime number record: 2^(57,885,161) - 1 http://ow.ly/hrs1P // 48th known Mersenne prime
 
@sehe Yeah, I found it HN.
 
I wonder how many cpu voltage regulator capacitors gave their lives for that prime
 
Devastating!
 
@Mysticial gasp you found it?! Oh. I see :)
 
Wait, 17 million?
 
9:10 PM
@sehe lol
I guess the prime-number business is quite a rat race.
 
Well kinda. At a different level. There's only one organization who dominates it. It's all the participants who race.
 
Oh wait, Mysticial's business is not primes, it's pimes.
 
Their prime95 software is some amazing shit.
 
for a while it was the best cpu/mobo/ram test around
 
Some of the decisions I made in the Pi stuff was influenced by my attempts to reverse engineer prime95.
 
9:12 PM
@Mysticial Which organization is it? ℝ?
 
now with insane amounts of memoy, I find it less effective at finding problems
 
@StackedCrooked GIMPS
 
user142019
Is it possible to have a where clause that is in the scope of multiple equations (right term?), or do I have to use a case expression?
 
Are your machines currently still searching for new primes?
 
@doug65536 I think I may need to use a different version of perl. As in like perl. 5 .10. Can we please discuss that?
 
9:15 PM
@Zoidberg too vague
lol - our friend keeps on trying
 
@Zoidberg later.
 
user142019
lex ('@':cs) = let (tok, cs') = lexIdentifier cs in tok : lex cs'
lex (c:cs)
    | isIdentifierStart c = ... stuff ... lexIdentifier cs

    where lexIdentifier = ...
 
user142019
lexIdentifier is not in scope in the first equation (the one with the '@').
 
Wokay. Looks like haskell to me. Good luck with that
 
Make a module-scoped non-exported function?
Or a case, yeah.
 
user142019
9:19 PM
I could do that, but I thought it may be possible to limit it to a particular function.
 
user142019
Thanks anyway.
 
I'm working on a Football game. This is what I got thus far? How am I doing?
 
Did the gay marriage bill in the UK pass?
 
user142019
Damn C# with its @keyword identifiers. :P
 
What are you doing?
 
9:23 PM
Damning the @keywords in C#.
 
@StackedCrooked no. I was never interested in participating. But I was very interested in figuring out how prime95 was so fast.
It took me a couple years before I got the big picture.
 
That seems like quite the undertaking.
 
You say that as if you knew anything.
 
After that the rest of it is hardcore assembly which I didn't care too much for.
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes Writing a C# lexer as an exercise.
 
9:24 PM
@StackedCrooked why does soccer inherit from football?
 
Y U NO PARSEC?
 
user142019
Gotta love let-in.
 
@Zoidberg You should write a luthor lexer.
 
user142019
A what?
 
user142019
9:25 PM
xd
 
A super joke.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
 
So you are implementing the goalkeeper?
 
I just felt like creating a context where the use final would seem confusing to the human eye.
 
9:27 PM
@StackedCrooked Badly -- in football you should obviously kick, not throw.
 
@JerryCoffin That's why throw is also an exception. However, I'm probably breaking single-responsibility here.
 
Nice save.
 
user142019
lol class final final {};.
 
Not if the ball has gone out of scope.
 
user142019
xD
 
@MooingDuck Hey! :)
 
And he is here as well
 
ohai lews therin
you read the final WOT book?
 
Heya, nah :(
I have the book though
 
9:34 PM
scrub
 
@LewsTherin H! :)
 
Now is your chance to spoil the hell out of him!
 
@DeadMG How did you find it? I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but the reviews, ones I could safely read are mixed..
@R.MartinhoFernandes NO! :(
 
hmmm
@LewsTherin I kinda liked it.
it effectively resolved the series, I think.
but there were some parts I didn't really approve of
 
9:36 PM
That's great. Endings are hard to write..
@DeadMG ? Plot holes?
 
@DeadMG Yeah, like that part when the guy dies. Oh yeah, spoiler.
 
lol
well, if you don't want to avoid spoilers, I don't want to go into too much detail
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shush.. :P
 
but
well, the Last Battle is certainly a giant-arse battle
and it seems that on occassion, the author forgot about, say, a million soldiers or so on one side or another.
 
@LewsTherin FWIW, I haven't read it. I'm just making shit up.
 
9:38 PM
and the quantities involved on each side are never properly specified, except for some of the channeling groups, so it's difficult to actually know how the battle is going.
 
@DeadMG Awesome.. bigger than Dumai's well?
 
a lot bigger.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh I realize that ;) It's funny when folks do that.. "the guy died at the end"
 
oh, yeah
damn
 
@StackedCrooked Well it kinda was when I first started. When I did my first comparison of my own program's speed against prime95, I was completely in awe.
 
9:39 PM
was about to spoil you nasty-wise.
 
It was kinda ridiculous actually.
 
@DeadMG I'm tempted to ask a lot of questions.. Not good
 
hmm
 
Fucking...
 
I already had one of the fastest multiplications in the world, and then I look at prime95, and I just get thrashed. That put quite a large dent into my confidence at the time. (and even now)
 
9:40 PM
Someone stole my laptop
 
well if you don't care about spoilers, then I'd happily answer them
and honestly, the book is almost all action
 
@DeadMG Oh was there stuff about Logain? I assume there will be... I mean that stuff about Rand dying..
@DeadMG The way it should be don't ya think? Less Aes Sedai talk more action ;)
And I hope Mat said "Mother's milk in a cup!"
 
@LewsTherin There was, but not enough for me, really.
also
 
I wish there was more about Logain.. is character comes of as really cool. I especially want to read about him kicking Taim's ass
 
you'll be amazed at what Demandred has been doing all this time.
@LewsTherin He doesn't.
 
9:43 PM
@DeadMG NO! Kidding? It was either Rand or Logain. Or was it another Ash'aman? Narishma?
 
no, no, and no.
want me to tell you who smacked him down?
 
Is Taim Demandred?
Ah no..
Great!
Now I must read it.. thanks!
 
also no.
actually, I found Demandred to be kind of disappointing
I mean, it was a clever tactical move
 
but he comes off as kinda overpowered.
 
9:45 PM
Why is that bad?
 
@Borgleader Java exploitation is an old thing.
 
Most of the Chosen are gone... a really strong Forsaken and the DO seems like a worthy battle
 
because it makes a lot of the action very one-sided.
"Demandred opens gateway. Demandred wipes out all the forces of the Light in that area. Repeat."
also, you'll be amazed at one of the Chekhov's Guns that comes back to play a serious role in the Last Battle.
 
Whoa..
 
it was a completely random thing in the sixth book
or maybe fifth
and I'd totally forgotten about it
 
9:47 PM
I was planning on a reread before AMoL
 
that's what I did
1-14 straight through
 
Fun :D
 
took me weeks
 
Even better ;) I don't see the use in reading the books in a week
 
btw
 
9:49 PM
Then after reading AMoL, focus on Feist saga's
 
you remember that bit at the end of book 11 (or was it 12?) where Rand suddenly stops being a giant crybaby and starts kicking arse from here to Kingdom Come?
 
Was it when he realized he was Lews Therin?
 
yeah, on top of Dragonmount
and I was like
"Dude, why the fuck did you destroy the Choeden Kal, that would have been seriously helpful right about now."
 
Yeah!
I was thinking that as well.. and that destroyed the source of the power.. wtf!
And Callandor is a bug, and if the Aes Sedai told him to fuck off.. he is screwed
 
ah
Callandor is ... well, it plays a very specific part.
it was actually kinda ass-pully, because most of the relevant properties haven't even been mentioned until book 14.
 
9:53 PM
Would that be in drilling the bore? It seems likely. But it would be something involving the Aes Sedai
 
what book(s) is it?
 
@JohanLarsson Wheel of Time
 
the biggest disappointment though
Black Tower
you know Taim's a Darkfriend and has been corrupting it
 
Yep
 
but it magically became about a twentieth of it's previously stated size.
he brought like, 50 Dreadlords to the Last Battle, and then there's like, two Asha'man taking part, and the rest of them are totally unmentioned.
 
9:54 PM
:S
How many got to fight on Rand's side?
 
it doesn't really mention any
there's like, Logain, and a couple of previously named Asha'man, and a couple of new Asha'man characters introduced, and that's it.
no large-scale combat
whereas at Dumai's Wells alone there were 100 Asha'man, and the Black Tower was supposed to be at least a thousand men strong.
 
Ugh, I had high hopes for the Black Tower. But what pisses me off the most is the little time Rand spent with Asha'man
 
well, he kinda had very important shit to do
but things would have gone a lot easier for the other characters if he'd dealt with Taim earlier
 
Oh that's right.. but not visiting them occasionally was asking for trouble
 
agree
also, he did way too little to unify them and the White Tower.
 
Ell
9:57 PM
"I once worked in a language that required every variable – EVERY variable – be prefixed with "$"." - programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/1338/…
 
Lol, I guess bonding with Aes Sedai didn't help
 
nah
that wasn't too big of a deal
 
Does it explain any of the stuff that Aviendha saw?
 
but considering that he cleansed the taint way back in book 9, I'd have tried to unify them again immediately.
@LewsTherin The future with the Seanchan?
yes
 
@DeadMG I don't think he really cared about that. He thought he was going to die.
What the world did after meant jackshit to him
@DeadMG Pumps fist..!
 
9:59 PM
not after "OMG I'm Lews Therin".
in fact, he does something rather drastic about that at the beginning of Book 14.
the problem is that he left the Aiel out, because he figured they didn't want peace.
hence the future that Aviendha saw
 

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