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@Doorknob that was quick
 
user142019
@sehe > early
 
copy/paste ftw
 
@Zoidberg Oh. Well, earlier :)
 
@Zoidberg you can't. You fucked the front plate
 
1:00 AM
I might try switching the thread info block stack bottom and top values in my context-switcher sometime. probably reinventing win32 fibers though
 
@sehe see ya
 
Hi
wow, this is pretty nifty, I hadn't used the chat before
somebody there?
 
@uʍopǝpısdn Hint: it's really not upside down. You are
 
@user1690130 You are in it
 
1:02 AM
I was wondering if I could take some of your time for what might be a guessing game
 
@Doorknob please plonk him already
 
I remember reading about a recently publicized C derivative in Hacker News
 
@uʍopǝpısdn C.
 
1:02 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I did
 
@uʍopǝpısdn (؛ uoıʇɐʇuǝıɹo pǝɹɹǝɟǝɹd ɹnoʎ uı sʇuıɥ-ǝıqʍǝu ǝɥʇ ʇɐ noʎ ʇuıod uɐɔ ǝʍ 'ɹǝɟǝɹd noʎ ɟı ʇnq
 
it had namespaces, multi-pass compilation
 
then I un-did
 
lol
okay, i'm violating rules it seems
 
hahaha @sehe
 
1:03 AM
i'll go read that
 
@uʍopǝpısdn it's worth reading anyway
 
not what i was expecting
 
@uʍopǝpısdn ןnɟǝʇɐɹb ʇsoɯ ǝq p,ǝʍ we'd be most grateful
 
okay, not a very friendly welcome
thanks anyway I guess
have a good one
 
@uʍopǝpısdn It's only the hints. If you can make it through those...
Hmm. Was it something I said? I didn't spot any wrong doings.
Yet :)
 
1:05 AM
# do you want me to use markdown
okay that blew up in my face
haha
 
user142019
Can’t wait till tomorrow.
 
user142019
C# \o/
 
@uʍopǝpısdn Only if it helps you to formulate your message well. Also, try things out in the sandbox:

Sandbox

Where you can play with regular chat features (except flagging...
 
well, i'll just drop the question: recently publicized C-derivative, hosted in github, featuring namespaces, multipass compilation, string manipulation and dynamic array sugar
can't remember the name
 
@Zoidberg You're getting new glasses? :P
 
1:06 AM
@Zoidberg You're see your optometrist tomorrow?
 
if someone heard about it, let me know
 
my car broke down on the highway
 
user142019
@sehe no.
 
@uʍopǝpısdn Go? D?
 
user142019
I’ll have to use C# tomorrow and I like C#.
 
1:06 AM
Went out to check the tires and the screws on the rim were completely gone
 
@sehe no, much less famous. The name I can recall is "C9". It was a young project
 
@Borgleader Same thinking
@uʍopǝpısdn Mmm. No bells. I'm hearing them ring.
 
:( well, i'll try intensifying the googling. Thanks a bunch!
 
@uʍopǝpısdn With 'multiplass compilation' did you actually mean modular compilation? That would be neat
 
WAIT! HERE IT IS c2lang.org
 
1:08 AM
(C and C++ have always had multipass compilation, making it famously slow and intricate)
 
@uʍopǝpısdn "making C even better" implies it was good in the first place
 
user142019
@uʍopǝpısdn sounds like Java.
 
if Java is "C even better", i'm going back to college
 
WOW. The subtitle is going to sit real well with the local residents here:
> C2 Programming Language making C even better http://www.c2lang.org/
2
 
haha
it had a promising list of features, i wanted to give it a try
 
user142019
1:09 AM
Use Haskell instead.
 
It looks like a C that was painfully tortured by a ruby fan.
 
user142019
It also has pointers.
 
@uʍopǝpısdn More Dutch people? The language was designed by "Bas van den Berg"
 
user142019
If you ain’t Dutch…
 
@sehe well my name doesn't sound anywhere near as boss, so I'll trust the guy enough to read his paper :P
 
user142019
1:10 AM
NO, I CAN'T. ALSO FLAG AND SOON BAN.
 
@Zoidberg wat?
 
user142019
1 min ago, by user1690130
@EtiennedeMartel can you please help me?
 
user142019
Same to me and you.
 
oh for fucks sake
 
@user1690130 Yeah, you could post more obnoxious messages for me to flag
 
user142019
1:11 AM
@user1690130 Enjoy your ban.
 
he's been there for like, a few hours
 
@Zoidberg please don't ban me
pleaes
 
user142019
Inb4 Uncle Tim comes in.
 
Wait
 
what did the guy do?
 
1:13 AM
18 new spam tags
 
(just curious)
 
user142019
Annoy everybody.
 
user142019
For about two hours now.
 
@uʍopǝpısdn annoyed everyone
 
and he keeps making new accounts?
 
1:13 AM
nah
 
> You have fully used your vote allowance for today
 
oh, thought the username was pretty generic
 
lol
 
it's just there's no "kick" or "ban" there
 
user142019
@sehe lol
 
user142019
1:14 AM
Today just started.
 
I ignored the dude
 
@uʍopǝpısdn he refused to learn
 
thought he had left long ago
 
user142019
> You have fully used your vote allowance for today
 
user142019
:(
 
1:14 AM
@uʍopǝpısdn you'd be surprised how many people on SO are registering just to ask one question
@nightcracker he's a persistent one
 
user142019
Permatroll.
 
that would be a pretty interesting statistic to look at, is it really so many?
 
@BartekBanachewicz: why do people register if they can ask without registering?
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes i am. please can someone help me?
 
@nightcracker Me too. But it gets a bit on my nerves once he starts randomly pinging people directly. Also, it's not just this room. He was harassing other rooms too
 
user142019
1:15 AM
@user1690130 Nope, I can’t at least; I have fully used my vote allowance for today.
 
@sehe that's my fault
 
we can squash this
 
Shit I'm out of flags...
 
@sehe I linked him the PHP room :D
 
@nightcracker I meant the javascript room, IIRC
 
1:16 AM
what happened night?
 
user142019
You came in and suddenly everybody was annoyed.
 
user142019
What a coincidence.
 
1 hour ago, by Doorknob
in Java, 55 secs ago, by user1690130
how do you drag a .xpi folder into firefox?
 
Holy flags!
 
user142019
1:16 AM
@sehe Oh my God. T_T
 
@sehe Ifigured that out
 
@Loktar Sorry about that.
 
like
 
lol np
 
user142019
That’s like, drag and drop. If you can’t drag and drop you’re a moron.
 
1:17 AM
@sehe 4 hours late i am so pst tha tstep
@Zoidberg yes, i can program but i don't know how to use computers well
 
user142019
@sehe can you edit the wiki?
 
@user1690130 WTF. You don't take hint easily, do you
@Zoidberg Nope
 
@Zoidberg remember he can't screenshot.
 
@BartekBanachewicz 4 times.
 
user142019
When someone who can edit the wiki comes in, please add @user1690130 to the Brown List™ for constantly annoying everyone and randomly pinging people.
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1:18 AM
 
@user1690130 Why would I?
 
user142019
star that :$
 
^ this is what a help vampire looks like
@Zoidberg Done
 
user142019
:?[ HELP VAMPIRE
 
See also, man vampire
 
1:19 AM
You posted in chat that you can't find the folder "bard-mozrepl-abcdefg". You also posted a screenshot (four times) that shows you are in the folder "bard-mozrepl-abcdefg", at which point I refused to continue to help. If you can't find the folder you're in, I'm not going to walk you through writing a website scraper in perl. — Mooing Duck 2 hours ago
 
@Zoidberg I'm on it.
 
user142019
Time to sleep see you tomorrow friends.
 
@Zoidberg I'll put him on the read-access list since that's how we also mark our trolls. :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Unpinning then :0
@Zoidberg Don't waste much time
@Mysticial That's news for me. Good thinking
 
what's the flag-fest about?
 
1:21 AM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Scroll up. And read teh newly edited brownlist. Ohai
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf troll
 
There, updated.
 
1 hour ago, by sehe
@user1690130 You are kindly requested to get your business elsewhere. You are behaving like a help leecher and it's not appreciated.
To which he replied:
And clearly, he is a man of his word
1 hour ago, by user1690130
i will do anything to get help
 
He could bring me another beer.
 
lol - He's not interested in that. Making fake apologies 10 times over is cheaper
 
1:22 AM
potato.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Please, no counter trolling? Or do it in room PHP :> (joking! don't do that either)
 
oh well, i once posted a short intro to creating Thunderbird extension. sort of the same.
 
Now it's safe in edit history
 
They always say C++ is dead... More people on here than on PHP.
 
@DawidJoubert who says C++ is dead?
 
1:24 AM
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 3 hours 24 minutes.
 
Also, PHP wasn't even alive in the first place
 
what's with all the flags?
 
@Bartrek: Awesome. I got this conversation started. There is always someone talking trash about a technology they don't use. You know how it is.
 
@shog9: see above
 
@Shog9 we had a situation there.
 
1:25 AM
@Shog9 Well, the case is pretty well documented in the chat history. This message is a start of a 4-post summary
 
@DawidJoubert that's cool, and you've mispelled my name. just sayin'
 
What I mean is, can I dismiss them all, or does this banal stuff need deleted?
 
I actually invited the guy a to a private room to give helping him a try, and he stopped answering
 
@Bartek: You should change it to what I wrote. Sounds more like Startrek that way.
 
@Shog9 No deletion necessary. Let's hope the sinner repents
 
1:26 AM
@DawidJoubert hmm... now I think about it. Call me Bartrek from now on. /cc @sehe.
 
@uʍopǝpısdn Well, clearly he got "invited" into a lot of rooms. Classical help vampire
 
@uʍopǝpısdn hey, you're upside
 
@sehe cool.
 
yeah i'm hanging from the fan, i find it easier to think with more blood in my brain (?)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Bärtræk
 
1:28 AM
Or, as my university nicknamed me by auto-email-name-creation, Barbanac (the mighty barbarian)
 
@Shog9 I'd say just boot the guy from chat for a few days. If he comes back then we'll deal with that.
 
So what's hot these days with C++? I've been looking for a reason to get stuck into it again. The Broodwar API had my interest stoked, hopefully they'll do one for SC2.
 
I still don't know why this guy hasn't been ignored by everyone here.
 
@Shog9 Thanks for checking up. I sort of lost patience when started plinking me (and several others) directly. I'll try to remember to just keep ignoring next time. Thing is, ignoring requires a group effort and that doesn't always work out in a busy lounge
 
It's so much more peaceful
 
1:29 AM
@DawidJoubert C++11 with Boost 1.53 (released today, see starboard)
 
@DawidJoubert it's a very fast cross platform object oriented language. Nothing changed, really. It was always better than PHP or Java.
 
@DawidJoubert There's a video of a guy on youtube using the directx calls or something to keep track of whats going on. Maybe that'd be of interest to you (I'd link it but I seen it like over a year ago)
For Starcraft 2 that is
 
@BorgLeader: Yeah I saw that. It was amazing
 
the guy wrote his own driver module IIRC
 
I liked it way more than the Broodwar API because whatever AI you wrote would have to deal with imperfect information
 
1:30 AM
@Rapptz You around?
 
It's crazy how the screen scans around the map insanely fast to update it's unit counts and stuff etc... Would be interesting to do an AI but with a further limitation on how far it can move the screen per frame.
 
@Mysticial Need maths advice?
 
@DawidJoubert lambdas. you do even simplest things in different way
 
@DawidJoubert that doesn't make sense.
 
@sehe No, reddit advice for Anime.
 
1:31 AM
@Mysticial lol
 
@Bartek: Which bit?
 
@DawidJoubert and auto, e.g.
#ifdef MISSING_GetConsoleFontSize       // For g++ 4.7.2 and earlier
auto const GetConsoleFontSize = reinterpret_cast< COORD (WINAPI*)( HANDLE, DWORD ) >(
    ::GetProcAddress( ::GetModuleHandle( L"kernel32.dll" ), "GetConsoleFontSize" )
    );
#endif
 
@DawidJoubert "limitation on how far it can move the screen per frame"
@Cheersandhth.-Alf OUCH. warn before posting something like this
 
hurt your maceys?
 
@BartekBanachewicz +1
 
1:33 AM
@sehe Well, if y'all flag-delete one message, he's gone for a half hour. Two and it's an hour. So on and so forth. So, y'know, don't need to burn all your flags on one guy, unless you really want him gone for ages
 
is internships.com good?
 
@Shog9 that's interesting.
 
@Bartek: Have you seen the video? The guy interprets DX calls to determine what is on screen and then sends in keyboard+mouse commands to control what he is doing as-if he is a human player. The AI can achieve an inhumanely high APM. The real test is doing the AI but limiting it to an APM that a typically pro player achieves.
 
@Shog9 Okay. Good to know. I'm not really doing any maths at a time like that. Next time I'll stick to one round :)
 
@DawidJoubert After watching pro players I won't say anything like " inhumanely high APM"
This AI peaked 1500. I peak 280 in my games.
 
1:35 AM
watch their spam actions though. lots of those so called "actions" are just repeated spam of the same command
 
@sehe You should also be able to "kick" people. Doesn't accomplish much, but might be cathartic.
 
@Shog9 What's that?
 
that.
 
@Doug
@Doug: True
 
@Shog9 I've always thought that there's no "kicking" here.
 
1:35 AM
Disappointed :)
 
I think his idea is just to flag 1 post and boot him for 30 min.
 
@BartekBanachewicz There is. It just forces you to leave the room. You can still come back, if you're the impolite sort who doesn't know when they're not wanted.
 
@Bartek: The real difference is that the AI was able to provide individual commands to each unit on the battle field (doing the path finding manually) where as even the pro players rely on select groups and commanding the group together. Then where required micro'ing.
 
The only other way we can boot someone is to go gallery mode.
 
@Shog9 How is it triggered?
 
1:36 AM
@Mysticial read-only? That would suck a bit, since I'm not on the list of trusted users :P
 
@sehe click on someone's name - it's in the menu
 
@Shog9 Not for me. Just checked
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes, to everyone except people on the write-access list. Which we can manually add everyone.
 
@sehe who's name did you click?
 
@Shog9 Several
 
1:37 AM
It's happened a few times. And we manually added everyone else on the list.
 
@Shog9 Just an example
 
huh
 
Remember, you're a moderator... ?
 
Thought that was available to room owners though
Kinda lame if it isn't
 
lol
We're actually pretty powerless.
 
1:39 AM
@Shog9 Sadly, no. I'm pretty sure the Ape would have been thrilled back when he was still actively owning this place :)
 
Gallery mode is our only "boot mechanism".
 
@Mysticial Says the guy who can view deleted content on SO. You're powerless? I'M POWERLESS
 
@sehe Sounds like a feature-request to me.
 
@Borgleader Seeing shit doesn't mean you can do shit.
 
See also:
6
Q: Remove the kicking command, or improve it

badpKicking in chat is pretty useless and/or pointless. Everything that happens when you are kicked is, you are sent to the room list. There's no kick message, no "kicked by" message, no kick reason, nothing. For all a user knows, it's either a transient bug or a network hiccup. How is that useful? ...

 
1:40 AM
40 mins ago, by sehe
I'm going to go to bed early today. See you around
Maybe later :)
 
'nite
 
night
 
^ Meanwhile in the "Teenage Programmers Chatroom"
 
There is such a chat room?
I guess I'd qualify then :)
 
@Mysticial I'm powerless to see!
Much less do
 
1:45 AM
I only go to the teenage chat room... for the laaadies.
 
yaaaaawn
that's enough for me
tomorrow's work, i guess, and shit
'night guys
 
@Crowz haha!
if you find one, flag her, she's of a rare, endagered species
 
I don't know why, but at my uni, there's usually only one girl in every computer science class... but she's always like, a 10/10
 
completely unlike where I went to, about 1 girl per class but usually with zero passion for programming, poor grasp on any sort of math, and no previous coding experience
 
-1
Q: Replace an word with if (isset($variable)=="word")

eclipseRI have a problem when i try to translate Yes from english to romanian Da, No to Nu and Not sure to Nesigur so $variable could have values Yes, No and Not sure Here is my code: <?php foreach ($dom->find('tr') as $node) { if (is_a($node->children(0), 'simple_html_dom_node')) { if ($n...

 
1:49 AM
We live in a man's world :(
 
the topic has been give a lot of attention lately, at least in HN and the like
we apparently are the culprits behind it
typical of women: blame men
 
no irony at all
 
haha! i had this one girl in a project in college, once
i had to rewrite every single line of code she wrote
i remember a specially painful module, in which every function received double pointers for no reason (void**, this was C), and then immediately de-referenced them
 
@uʍopǝpısdn s/endangered/fictional/
 
my guess was she fiddled around with the code until the compiler stopped complaining, then proceeded to copy paste the technique all around. It had 500+ lines
afte rewriting, the file had less than 80. True story
fictional indeed. Why did they have to so pretty, God, why
2
 
1:55 AM
most aren't
 
the females I have encountered at programming jobs were good programmers
very few around though
 
TIL women = starbait
 
@doug: My experience was similar'ish. Some were good, some great and some mediocre or average. Not all were hired as experienced some were hired as graduate developers so really my experience was no different than with male developers.
 
i haven't had the chance to work professionally with women in tech, but what I gathered from college was that they were discovering programming just then. They weren't any worse than men, it was just that most men had started playing with code as teenagers, and had an early start
profession aside, coding as a hobby seems to attract more men
 
one time, I was moving to a new team and the person getting me up to speed was really good looking. Later I found I was replacing her lol
for the best I guess. who wants a 10 distracting them all the time
 
2:02 AM
I would
I've never met a woman I can discuss the latest programming news with :(
 
@doug65536 Me. I do.
 
@Lightness I called dibs
 
@uʍopǝpısdn I worked at a place where the accepted practice to make a new report is to copy and paste one that exists and change a few things - and it was vb6 that had classes. 100% procedural mess. they even called random things in other unrelated forms
 
2:18 AM
:O
i have sweet spot in my heart for vb6, but that sounds painful
 
I'll never forget one of the leads saying "oh god don't touch that code, it's used everywhere"
they told their customers that it was not possible to make resizable forms. I overheard it and made a resizable form helper class that night. I went through all the code I owned (the entire payroll engine) and put resizing in and setup a meeting to show it off. they ended up saying they didn't want to add it :|
 
=/ sounds like a nasty place to work at
we're talking about visual resizing the form elements?
the codebase couldn't handle that?
 
At some places you get paid to do what you are told and not to take any initiative.
 
@uʍopǝpısdn yes, simply binding edges of controls to edges of the form, just like Anchor in C# forms
 
@Mysticial ?
 
2:24 AM
@Rapptz come to the Anime room.
 
When you take initiative in your own time you still get in trouble because the manager has no idea where you are spending your time during work hours and so assumes this takes time away from your other commitments. I think it's best to find employment where they identify that you really have a passion for IT and trust you to manage your own schedule.
 
@doug65536 I onced got the praise of the entire marketing division because one day, walking by a machine, I saw these 20-char width text boxes that people were using to enter MUCH larger amounts of text; and took an hour to expand them
 
@DawidJoubert yes, that's why I did the whole thing on my own time, besides the meeting when I showed them
 
you'd think I had saved a newborn baby from the party they threw
 
I'm one of those psycho programmers that go home and work some more unpaid when the project is interesting :)
 
2:26 AM
@doug65536: Worst part is to realise that they will not only bury your hard work but even rebuke you for doing the work (in spite of it being on your own time)
 
funniest part, the previous designer (this was designer code) had actually tried to make them larger, they were set to 100% width -- it's just that they were nested in a NASTY structure of containers that were not that large
 
*ug65536
I just realized that's a maxed 16-bit unsigned integer and not a random number
 
Sometimes I like to try experimental things which will bloat the time estimate. I don't think it is fair to put this on my employer because I haven't given them the opportunity to decide whether they are happy with the risk to reward ratio. So I just do the experiment on my own time
Pretty much me too upside down. Thing is it is 1 based I believe.
 
1 << 16
 
2:28 AM
Yes so MAx 16 bit unsigned plus one
 
yes
@DawidJoubert you're probably the 3rd person ever to figure that out and mention it :)
 
DAT OVERFLOW
 
You know what is fun?
 
tell us
 
Mention to a laymen how every new flash stick or memory card or something is double the size of the previous one and then tell them it's a conspiracy. A cartel to stop manufacturers from producing half sizes and cutting the market up.
Like: You know you get 512MB sticks? Yes. You know 1GB sticks? Yes. Have you ever seen a 1.5GB stick? no? See consipracy
 
2:34 AM
HAHA
that's actually quite funny
 
This is where after a long silence someone links to a 1.5GB memory stick
 
i'll give it a try some day
 
I blew my friend mind this morning when I turned his laptop upside down and showed him not only does he have a legal Windows 7 copy but the CD key is right there and he didn't need to pirate it.
 
reminds me of superstitions about mixing memory types. On modern CPUs with good BIOS it will configure properly. still people insist it's bad
 
@doug65536: Yes. I mix memory often. There is some value in having dual channel or triple channel memory however only the most top-end motherboards support this. For it to work the memory has to be the same size (will fall down to the lowest common denominator latency) but ideally the exact same chip for best timings performance.
 
2:38 AM
registering my unwillingly acquired windows license (came with the notebook) was the worst decision i ever made
the thing wants to install CRITICAL SECURITY UPGRADES every single boot
and won't install anything unless I attempt to shut it down. Then it proceeds to not shutdown for about 15 minutes
 
The state of windows updates are disgraceful yes. Also auto-downloads them at the worst times and no way to pause it.
 
... it's like you are living on a completely different planet or something
 
ditto. I only boot windows to play games, and every now and then, the stupid thing will decide on its own it needs to reboot RIGHT NOW in the middle of a match
actually it gives me the chance to postpone it, but doesn't have the decency to check if i can see the notice or not
 
Haha that's funny. Worst thing about the notice is you can choose to postpone like either 10 minutes or 1 hour. There is no 6 hour or 9 hour option... Dammit.
Andrei: Because we use Windows, sometimes?
 
@uʍopǝpısdn i.imgur.com/cl5zjvc.png?1 <- have you tried that setting?
 
2:45 AM
Yeah you can do that. That's a good idea if you don't use the windows box often
 
I honestly can't believe windows forces the reboot with NO WARNING. It should kick to another desktop and give you 20 seconds to tell it to stop
in full screen apps you have no idea it's going to happen
I snapped one day and set it to manual updates
 
I can't believe windows still doesn't have a standardised application manager. Every single *** game and application has to role out its own installation process and its own uninstall process. This is how the registry gets so messed up.
 
yes, and what linux package managers do is 10x more scary than what a windows installer does. and I trust linux package managers completely
 
*Can't tell if sarcastic or serious - Fry meme
 
I'm serious
 
2:49 AM
Cool. Most of the time a windows application's installation is so bloated because it contains a copy of DX11, Framework .NET 1 + 2 + updates etc...
 
@DawidJoubert Well it's either that or you haven't figured out that windows update is configurable.
 
@DawidJoubert They provide more than that. In fact, about all most installers need to do is UI.
 
anyone here actually tried to comprehend the msi database format? It's pretty baffling. completely overengineered as far as I can tell
which is why everyone uses some bloated-as-hell installer wrapper
 
@Jerry: That thing makes it easier. To be fair though I've never made one manually as Visual Studio has a wizard for doing it and as you don't do it often it's no big deal. Presumably this wizard uses that API? I am not qualified to have a serious discussion around it.
 
@DawidJoubert I've never dissected what VS produces to be sure, but I'd be a little surprised if it didn't use their API.
 
2:54 AM
Anyone tried out that Google Go language as a replacement for C++?
 
isnt it rust?
 
Nothing can replace C++
 
I saw a language called Rust that looks really close to C++
 
@Borgleader: rust is Mozilla
go and dart are Google
 
Ohhh
 
2:57 AM
@DawidJoubert I sort of tried once, but it was still new enough (and library support minimal enough) that the attempt didn't last a whole day. I can't even remember what I decided to do, but it was fairly simple -- and at least at the time, I'd have had to write essentially everything from the ground up myself (up to and including bindings to the API stuff I needed).
 
@JerryCoffin: i think that's improved quite a lot
 
@rici I would expect so -- but I haven't had the time/inclination to try it again recently.
 

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