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7:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yup, pretty much -- both back to maximum munch.
 
Oh, hah... this was me. Lol.... — Lightness Races in Orbit Mar 15 '12 at 23:40
lol I'm funny
 
hilarus.jpg
 
@NolwennLeGuen Is that a funny walrus?
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, it's a really big walrus -- the size of a hill.
 
Ell
7:06 PM
@ThePhD why aren't you opengl'ing?
 
ThePhD? Using something not by microsoft?
Surely you must be kidding.
 
Pfff.
I don't use everything by Microsoft.
But I'm going to be entering a Microsoft competition.
 
@ThePhD You already won.
 
What do you think is going to run through the Judge's minds when I say "Yes I used Vim OpenGL SublimeText annnnd fuck Visual Studio!"
They're going to look at me laugh and then reject me from the pool, that's what.
 
Ell
they won't :P
 
7:12 PM
@ThePhD :)
@ThePhD Then they'll say "hey did you see this C++ certification we started?"
 
@Mysticial lol it's so easy to see who submits SO questions to reddit, I just saw the (-2147483648 > 0) return true question on /r/cpp
 
@Rapptz I was gonna say, I didn't see it on r/programming.
 
it was Bill the Lizard that time since the share url ended in 1288
 
technically, a value type can be "boxed", meaning wrapped in transparent reference type
 
@Rapptz Yeah, he does that lot. He put the Pi question on r/programming as well.
 
7:14 PM
@doug65536 didn't' that conversation end?
 
for example, if something takes type 'object' and you pass a struct, it will implicitly box it and pass that reference
 
I'm going to drown my problems out in Soda and games.
Fuck this gay earth.
 
@doug65536 nice. How do you do the other way around?
 
@MooingDuck I saw people saying you have no control and have to copy it.
 
@doug65536 you misunderstood
 
7:16 PM
@MooingDuck cast
 
I wish the SO chat had native tooltips for the user matrix. It's annoying having to wait for Windows to catch up when I am trying to whizz through it to find someone by image.
 
@doug65536 what do I cast stringBuilder to?
@doug65536 unrelated, the guy with the perl question moved here to avoid irritating people in the lounge. (you were helping him yesterday right?)
 
if you cast to object it will wrap a reference around it and the object will have reference semantics. or ideally make a class with a stringbuilder member and it will already be "boxed"
 
user142019
struct Foo {}

object referenceFoo = new Foo();
Foo valueFoo = (Foo)referenceFoo;
 
@MooingDuck no
 
7:17 PM
@doug65536 no, you misunderstood again. we want to unbox the stringBuilder. We want reference semantics.
@doug65536 oh, sorry then. thought you did.
 
user142019
Unboxing a string builder makes no sense.
 
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StringBuilder is a class, not a struct.
 
@Zoidberg that's exactly the problem
 
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Ohh you want value semantics for it?
 
7:18 PM
@sehe illegible
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit mmm. "Chisel", the last name wasn't altered
 
@sehe the "S" is illegible, and yes it was
 
:)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Blame "eufm48" or something font :)
 
yes stringbuilder is already a reference type - why make it have value semantics?
 
looks like Thjgel Mddkt
 
7:20 PM
@doug65536 because I want value semantics
 
@doug65536 to increase the value of your code!!
 
@ThePhD like the lion said, those are too easy
 
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Oh lol Citotoets.
 
@MooingDuck Under Neat?
 
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Stelt geen reet voor.
 
7:22 PM
@Zoidberg C.I.T.O. Cito toets!
 
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It's worthless.
 
@sehe please write "best wishes suzanne" and underneath that "we will miss you".
 
@Zoidberg Nobody ever claimed. It's just --a-- measuring device for primary education. any measuring device will do to see about trends and relative performance of schools/regions
@MooingDuck Damn. Too obvious.
"Neat that we will miss you" - sic
 
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@sehe Probleem is dat het zo wordt opgeblazen en er wordt gedaan alsof het je gehele toekomst bepaalt.
 
@Zoidberg Heb jij daar last van gehad?
 
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7:23 PM
@sehe Nee.
 
Me neither. So - non-problem.
 
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Maar mensen zijn allemaal zenuwachtig om niets.
 
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@sehe I love fixing things that aren't borked!
 
Of course, the media is dominated by pathological cases were kids are already nervous wrecks or schools fail completely, but that's not actually attributable to Cito
 
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I never cared about tests.
 
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7:25 PM
Had to do them anyway.
 
@sehe Does this look good to you? (Performance/price ratio.) I'm eying the SSD3 for 20 EUR/month.
 
ok someone just asked me what "AFAIK" means
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ce n'est pas vrai?
 
@Zoidberg is bad
 
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You are badder.
 
7:27 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You said: "Nothing, as far as I know"
 
Is there a cat in here...?
 
Several
 
@Washu yes
 
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Quite a few.
 
Yeah... i'm watching a lot right now
but dont cats dislike crabs? @Zoidberg
 
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7:29 PM
s/crab/lobster/
 
user142019
I want to implement C#.
 
@Zoidberg you mean generate IL?
 
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Why specifically that?
 
@TonyTheLion "I'm already notorious for coming when the subject of sex is ever mentioned" there, FTFY
 
7:31 PM
what?
 
even punnier...
 
user142019
s/punnier/funnier/
 
@Zoidberg ECMA-334 contains a spec (albeit, badly out of date).
 
user142019
Gadverdamme melige appel. :(
 
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@JerryCoffin Guess what. I have it right here. :P
 
Ell
7:33 PM
I love this awesome syntax
s/love this awesome/hate this stupid/
 
Reddit.....?
really?
 
@Rapptz Continued use of COBOL: reminding us that approximately half of any given population is mentally retarded. (Yes, I know, IQ is based on mean, not median, but still...)
 
@Washu Yes Washu, reddit, a site many people go to
 
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7:37 PM
I want it to compile to machine code. Is that doable?
 
@Zoidberg Of course. Ugly, but certainly possible.
 
4chan a site many smart people go
2
 
"Visual COBOL for Visual Studio 2012 is where the world’s most progressive development language meets Microsoft’s foremost development platform. And this is the page where you get to try it for free."
 
what
that's a joke right?
 
@Rapptz Unfortunately, no.
 
7:39 PM
@JerryCoffin being retarded fortunately has little relation IQ
 
@Rapptz a joker couldn't possibly have come up with enterpris'y "Ensuring continued business value from existing IT systems by future-proofing business-critical applications running Microsoft Windows"
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Sounds to me like something only a joker could come up with.
 
should I skip command generation for files that don't need a rebuild?
or generate it anyways and skip executing it?
 
@sehe Dick Feynman only had an IQ of 125. About my level. And George W. Bush.
Far below most regulars here in the lounge, btw.
I think.
 
IQ is the most overrated number in dumb people's lives. And some smart people's as well.
 
7:42 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf You should be between 135-145 in my estimation.
 
Estimates of IQs are really surprisingly reliable
 
ah, "should". yes. :-)
 
@sehe I estimate yours to be zero.
 
See, you're gaining accuracy
Keep practicing
 
But I have no feedback.
IQ is surprisingly useless.
That's my finding
 
7:46 PM
Exactly.
 
IQ is a number I give a surprisingly low amount of fucks about
 
Unless maybe it's one of those extensive psych eval IQ thingie.
but even then.
 
IQ is useful if you need to solve riddles and then only sometimes.
 
I did stuff relating to IQ tests back in 2010
 
You don't get no chicks by solving riddles.
@Rapptz What kind of stuff?
 
7:47 PM
Comparing IQ to intellect using different tests to measure it, not really exciting lol
 
@StackedCrooked never saw that Brad Pitt chick flick... was it "A Beautiful Mind"?
 
you get riddles by solving chicks
3
 
@doug65536 lol
 
You solve the riddles you get by solving chicks, by dissolving chicks.
Oh wait.
 
I'm more of an advocate of the multiple inteligences theory
 
7:48 PM
@rubenvb I saw A beautiful mind, but that didn't have Brad Pitt afaik. Good movie btw. About John Nash IIRC.
 
@uʍopǝpısdn Yes -- that was tested too using different types of IQ tests
 
@StackedCrooked wait yes, it was some other dude
 
@Rapptz IIRC there's a strong correlation between IQ and myopia.
 
The hell?
 
Maybe not a really strong correlation.
But a correlation nevertheless :P
 
7:51 PM
you mean you are miopic and smart?
 
i guess that could be a small correlation :P
 
that sounds like cum hoc ergo propter hoc to me
 
I think it's about expectation. like men are expected to have automotive knowledge, so they do
 
it's funny, it definitely didn't sound like that to me at all
 
7:53 PM
@uʍopǝpısdn I can see the validity but I can't see it having a strong correlation.
 
@Rapptz Correlation is just that.
 
@uʍopǝpısdn you need to vertically flip your gravatar. fyi.
 
rewrite finished. Score for me!
 
haha, that's an interesting idea
i'll try it later
 
8:07 PM
Damn, since I kicked all ugly MSVS workarounds, I can't test Ambrosia's MSVC command generation for the Ambrosia project.
Time to write that ogg/vorbis/flac/... tree.
 
Lol, i fell asleep studying for algorithms exam
Just woke up and am like waat whose year is it
 
Ell
heh
 
That stuff is so goddamn boring
 
man
ever since I got sick, I can't focus on anything.
I need to delete all my games.
 
@DeadMG you are repeating yourself
 
8:17 PM
Wanna play somethin?
 
@DeadMG which ones are those? :)
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yeah :D
 
@sehe Qué?
 
@DeadMG You can focus on the pain in your throat :)
 
Chivalry?
 
8:21 PM
what pain in my throat?
@melak47 Starcraft 2 mostly
 
Ooh lets play sc2
Shall we? :)
 
We should get some 3v3 or 4v4 going. Although... you're all on Europe, right?
 
But of course. Ok, i am getting up
 
Damn, I so wanted to play with you guys, but not enough to pay for another license.
 
8:27 PM
Hm?
 
are you on brazil or wut?
anyway, give me teh codez or emails
 
I'm on America.
 
well soon there will be Global Play
soon = HoTS
 
"Hell, it's about time"
 
:)
too bad everyone disappeared
well my character code is 751, nickname Bajtek
 
8:32 PM
@BartekBanachewicz try minecraft. oh wait
no one is there either
 
Oh well. My server is also empty ATM
forever alone
nobody wants to play with me :(
 
We can let our servers play against each other
@BartekBanachewicz inb4 "Call me Narcissus from now on"
 
what does "against each other" mean?
 
1. e4
2. ..., d5
 
@sehe wait, weren't Narcissus the guy obsessed with himself?
@sehe that's chess. I mean minecraft
 
8:34 PM
weren't? And yes
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hence narcissism.
 
I thought I was just forever alone
 
But you can play with yourself :|
 
yea that's very cute
...NOT
 
@BartekBanachewicz maybe you could sort of make it known to more people?
 
8:40 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf It's actually only for my IRL friends ATM
 
@sehe is that the old free version of minecraft, or does it matter? i've never played btw
@BartekBanachewicz oh
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf me neither. It's Luc/Etienne's MindCrack thingie
 
bah, I think I will back to coding then
My own minecraft won't write itself
 
sup biatches
I was just reading up on hardware virtualization
 
and what have you read?
 
8:47 PM
Hallo.
 
In computing, binary translation is the emulation of one instruction set by another through translation of code. Sequences of instructions are translated from the source to the target instruction set. In some cases such as instruction set simulation, the target instruction set may be the same as the source instruction set, providing testing and debugging features such as instruction trace, conditional breakpoints and hot spot detection. The two main types are static and dynamic binary translation. Static binary translation A translator using static binary translation aims to convert all...
currently reading this
@R.MartinhoFernandes so can I assume that you will find me on Friday evening?
or how do we do this?
 
Ich weiß nicht.
 
well that's useful :P
In compiler theory, peephole optimization is a kind of optimization performed over a very small set of instructions in a segment of generated code. The set is called a "peephole" or a "window". It works by recognising sets of instructions that can be replaced by shorter or faster set of instructions. Replacement rules Common techniques applied in peephole optimization: * Constant folding - Evaluate constant subexpressions in advance. * Strength reduction - Replace slow operations with faster equivalents. * Null sequences - Delete useless operations * Combine Operations: Replace several op...
this sounds like it could be sexual?
 
8:51 PM
Apparently sizeof(std::string) is only 8. This makes me wonder what its data members are?
 
@StackedCrooked beginning and size?
 
Pointer to refcount control block.
 
@TonyTheLion funny they don't mention branches around jumps. that's the main peephole opt
 
But one pointer already occupies 8 bytes.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah.
I get it.
 
string has refcount?
 
8:52 PM
It's still a COW.
It should not be anymore, but it appears it hasn't changed yet.
Yeah.
 
@TonyTheLion AFAIK typically the branch tree is setup for arbitrary complexity in IR and then a pass fixes up silly branches (which I'm calling a peephole optimization)
 
I wonder if COW actually helped regarding performance.
 
I don't think it helped on well-designed code.
 
I guess COW mostly saved noobs who always pass by value.
 
8:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes is there a place (bar, restaurant, whatever) where we can meet?
 
@StackedCrooked new users -- and old compilers that didn't do [N]RVO.
 
It's the noobs that then perform their little benchmarks and claim GCC is faster! :) Crafty move by GCC!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ABI breakage, so they want to delay it.
 
@TonyTheLion We usually meet at some train station.
@DeadMG Yeah, I know. Not sure if delaying is a good idea, but well...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmmm, I guess we could meet at the station that I'm close to and that I have now completely forgotten the name of.
 
8:56 PM
@DeadMG ABI breakage to std::string?
 
@TonyTheLion Since you are near S Landsberger Allee, we could meet at S+U Schönhauser Allee. It's three stations from where you are at, and two stations from work for me.
 
@StackedCrooked GCC doesn't want to break their ABI. If they change std::string's ABI, like it's size, then they break binary compatibility. But they have to breaking change their std::string implementation to support C++11.
 
I feel so dumb, I just wasted hours till I recognized I have an include-guard missing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes alright, makes sense. If the ape asks, tell him the same.
 
So, is @DeadMG coming to Berlin? I briefly saw some conversation about that a few days ago...
 
8:57 PM
@bamboon I've done that
 
@DeadMG FWIW, they already broke their ABI with vector IIRC.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They did with list but hurriedly rolled it back.
 
@DeadMG But which code is dependent on the binary structure of std::string?
 
@StackedCrooked Any code that binary interfaces with any C++03 code.
GCC has been using the same binary structure for 10 years, I think, or some very long time.
 
@StackedCrooked Just put a std::string in the signature of an exported function and there you go.
 
8:59 PM
and they don't want to break their binary compatibility- including std::string's e.g. size.
 
So the instructions will be read from the new std::string and the library will have the old data structure and thus breakage will occur?
 
yes.
 

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