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9:00 PM
@keith.layne I think I need to buy a new graphics card. I used to switch between ATI and nVidia when I upgraded, so I'd have one of each for testing, but I think from now on I'll go nVidia all the way.
 
Are you trying to get pissed on too?
 
personally i've always gone intel + nvidia
for PC rigs
 
@keith.layne Nope --more like figuratively pissing on him.
 
It's been several years since I had an actual graphics card
@JerryCoffin hi-five then
 
haha. I can understand why he doesn't like nvidia, I'll still buy their cards though when the price is right
 
9:01 PM
anyone here an oldschool gamer? wolf3d/doom/etc?
 
@IAmBatman You call that old school? How about the original Ultima on an Apple II?
 
That too, but not as fun
 
@IAmBatman What else do you play
 
For me at least, gaming took off early 90's
 
I played DOOM when I was 4 years old.
 
9:03 PM
@IAmBatman well, not that old school. First video game I played was Day of the Tentacle on my mom's win 3.1 PC :)
 
I was born mid-80's so obviously my definition of oldschool is a bit different than others :P
 
1990 here
 
@IAmBatman The last machine I played games on enough to notice was a Commodore 64.
 
ahh
 
9:04 PM
Y'all bunch of old people.
 
by age 6 i must have had every single doom/wolf3d map memorized
loved those days
 
@CatPlusPlus how old are you then, 12?
 
20. :(
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, I'm older than you!
 
@EtiennedeMartel say what now? I always prematurely optimize. I love performance.
 
9:05 PM
I'm old. QQ
 
@Drise I'm working on your code now
 
SNES/N64 too
 
Xeo
Yeah, we're already quarter-dead
 
There seems to be no way to unfavorite a deleted room
 
Life's boring anyway.
 
9:06 PM
@CatPlusPlus Have kids. You'll wish for a little boredom.
 
@JerryCoffin I'm not that bored.
 
Life can never be boring
 
Ell
Life is what you make of it
 
I want to make money, but it doesn't work.
 
What are you trying?
 
9:07 PM
Working.
 
Ell
work harder.
work more.
 
I'm working on Java code.
 
eww
 
@CatPlusPlus That's just as well. Most people who succeed get caught and sent to prison.
 
@melak47 You don't know half of it.
 
9:08 PM
money is overrated
 
@MooingDuck You are awesome. Also, something that I'm finding. If I put SOMETAG=5, it reads in the whole thing, instead of halting at the =. I'm not sure if I can just say "Your input has to be well formed" or if there is a way to handle it.
 
I need money for food and games.
 
studies show that past $75k, there are diminishing marginal returns
 
More money, more games.
 
what kind of games you play?
 
9:09 PM
Food stays relatively the same.
Different kinds.
 
Ell
meh java ain't bad
 
Are you hurting from the steam summer sales?
 
steam sales = wallet rapes
 
It's not just Java code, it's bad Java code. With Android, singletons and all that.
 
@Drise there are ways, but... gah. do we really have to handle that too?
 
9:10 PM
Meh, there's not much on sale I would want.
Many cheap stuff I already have.
 
Kongregate has a ton of games too, for free
 
Xeo
Anybody else having trouble on Yt right now?
 
@MooingDuck If it's too much trouble, ID=5 is not a member of <MYIDS> may do. (The current error it produces now).
 
@Ell I've heard losing a leg isn't necessarily as bad as most people think, but I'm not trying it either.
 
Ell
fair enough :L
 
9:12 PM
@Drise I'll see if I can work that in later
 
@Xeo When do you not have problems on YT?
 
Xeo
Well, until some minutes ago :/
 
Maybe you blocked it completely.
To save effort.
You = country.
 
Xeo
Now I have to let FF continue the player plugin twice before I can watch a vid
 
Red Alert <3
 
9:13 PM
@MooingDuck For now, I'd say it would do, but that's something I'd definitely like to be able to say "It handles it too". It does the same for comments, just to let you know..
 
Xeo
@IAmBatman So only Red Alert 1 & 2? :P
 
@Xeo Hm?
 
I really want to buy GW2 and play tomorrow.
 
gah, FF and youtube get worse every day
 
Red Alert 1 and 2 are pretty sweet indeed, yes
 
9:13 PM
But 55€. ;_;
 
Xeo
@IAmBatman "<3" -- "< 3"
 
C&C series was epic until EA shat all over it
 
Ell
Anyone played red alert 3?
 
yes
not as good
 
Ell
its just ra2 remake :L
 
9:14 PM
C&C1, RA1, RA2... everything else is meh
 
Ell
total annihilation <3
 
@MooingDuck Correction, it only does that to the string members. ID = 5# is handled properly, but NAME = name# is not.
 
TA crushes RA.
 
Never played TA
 
9:15 PM
It's on GOG. Go play it.
 
@IAmBatman have you tried RUSE?
 
How about Duke3D? Deus Ex (either 1 or DXHR)?
 
DXHR is fine.
 
Xeo
wtf Flash, wtf. Video is skipping along in 5sec intervals, though the audio is fine.
 
RUSE, no I have not
 
9:16 PM
Duke was more gimmicky than anything.
 
eh I enjoyed it; interesting weapons/levels/monsters/bosses
easter eggs
 
Ell
@IAmBatman Download springrts.com and BOTA
 
My router is acting crappy again. Why did they have to release new hardware incompatible with every firmware out there.
Original TA the best TA.
 
Ell
I remember playing Duke Nukem 3d on my dad's old laptop
@CatPlusPlus BOTA is "Basically Original Total Annihilation" so I'm sure it's quite similar :L
 
Oh, Interstate '82 on GOG.
 
9:18 PM
sorry for the random game talk; i'm just in severe nostalgiamode right now
 
Ell
blades of exile, exile II anyone?
or watch out willie?
 
chip's challenge? commander keen?
 
@Drise yeah, I'll have to write a special string parser. There's so many oddities in your file, that I almost wish we'd listened to DeadMG at the beginning and gone straight with a lexer/parser. But that would mean scrapping everything I/we did already.
 
Loved Commdr Keen!
 
Oh, I've been on GOG for 1188 days.
And 7 years on Steam.
Sheesh.
Commander Keen was cool.
 
9:22 PM
I used to like GOG but most of their stuff was crap
 
lol
@MooingDuck That shit would be much easier.
 
Witcher2 is actually cheaper on GOG than Steam today
 
@MooingDuck Maybe that would be v3. But he used boost, which I have no idea about. Also probably used some 11, which is also a big no no.
 
i think i got Descent I and II from GOG which I loved as a kid
 
@Drise Can both be replaced easily- it was just an example.
 
9:23 PM
@fionabunny GOG is run by the same company, basically.
 
@DeadMG yeah, I avoided that beacuse his format was simple. But then his requirements expanded more and more and more...
 
well
the other thing I noticed was that a lot of his requirements don't actually make any sense at all.
 
@MooingDuck You must be really bored.
 
and you can get much simpler and still totally correct code by treating it a little differently
 
@MooingDuck I tried to isolate you as much as possible, since I've coded for the oddities before, and thought I could handle them accordingly.
 
9:24 PM
for example
 
Ell
I don't understand how to write a parser or lexer without just a lot of switch(case) and if this if that
 
@Ell that's not a bad way to do it
 
there's no need whatsoever for the lexer or parser to know about the specific tag names and such
 
Ell
what other way is there?
 
dropping them just makes it much easier to code.
 
Xeo
9:26 PM
1% of all data done processing
yay
 
@Ell have you seen the Compilers course on Coursera.org?
 
Ell
erm no
 
@DeadMG My one big thing was that I'm not sure how easy it would be for other developers to manipulate, especially since they grew up writing C, and you know how they can sometimes be stuck in their ways.
 
That lexer isn't very sophisticated and probably doesn't even work in this state, but whateve.r
 
9:27 PM
And you lost me a number of times, so I was, and am afraid.
 
Ah, yes, it doesn't work, because of shitty dice format.
But that's the basic idea.
 
@Xeo How long do you expect it to take? When my coworkers do data processing, it has taken 2 weeks before.
 
@Drise Fuck em. You're coding C++, and if they don't like it, you need to replace them.
 
This is fairly typical hand-written recursive descent parser.
 
Xeo
@Drise chkdsk on a 2TB external that is filled with 1TB
 
9:28 PM
@Drise Thought that I mostly found you again.
 
Xeo
So I expect a few hours
 
@DeadMG Ha! He's my boss, and he's a math PhD. He just does coding because he can do math to code.
@DeadMG Yea, but trying to explain that to my boss would be hell. He gets lost in the simplest of file parsers.
 
well, it's not your boss's job to understand your code
 
Argh.
 
I used std::move once, which required him to use -std=C++0x for which he freaked out when he saw the experimental warning message.
@Xeo Few hours ain't nothing.
 
9:31 PM
8:30 — I barely get up, "I know, I'll finally go to bed sooner today". 23:30 — "Fuck".
 
Xeo
@Drise Sucks though, since everything that could help me pass the time is on that HDD :s
 
@Xeo Haha
 
@Drise You need to talk to your boss's boss.
 
@Xeo Go to sleep.
 
what's quite clear is that you have a boss who has no idea what the fuck you're doing, and he's trying to micromanage you beyond reason.
 
Xeo
9:32 PM
Eh, it's 23:30, that's no time to sleep
 
you can't really produce good code in such circumstances
 
@DeadMG Not going to try to. I'd rather keep my job.
 
Why? It's a crappy job.
 
Ell
agh I just can't grok it
 
tell your boss that if he wants to understand your file parser, he can write it himself.
@Drise Call your headhunter.
 
9:33 PM
@CatPlusPlus I'm 19, and I get paid 16$ an hour to play with C++. Not a crappy job.
 
With micromanaging boss? Yes, it's crappy.
Get out and find something better.
Not necessarily in that order.
 
@CatPlusPlus I'd also like to note that he is using the Intel compiler, since he is doing cuda or something, for which my code is being integrated with, which doesn't sit well with c++11
 
the newer versions are pretty good with it
 
Okay, sleep. eyB.
 
Ell
bye :D
 
9:37 PM
@CatPlusPlus G'night.
 
Xeo
Okay, it's not Flash that's fucking around this time
 
I dislike Flash for being by Adobe.
 
Ell
@RadekSlupik whats wrong with adobe?
 
@Ell Everything.
They make crappy software that's used by everybody and therefore all useful stuff on the internet is in their formats.
 
Ell
if it was crappy then why would everybody use it? :L
 
9:42 PM
@RadekSlupik I'm pretty sure that LightRoom and Photoshop are not crappy.
 
Ell
I don't think after effects is crap :p
 
@Ell Because all the other people use it too. Why does everybody use Windows? :P
 
Ell
Because it is good.
 
@JimNorton Photoshop doesn't even have decent undo. It's like Notepad.
 
@RadekSlupik You mean, Ctrl+Alt+Z?
Argument from ignorance, much?
 
9:43 PM
Ok slightly better than Notepad. :P
 
Xeo
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Didn't know about that shortcut. :P
 
Xeo
so it's JS
 
Also, I'd note I have like, freaking used Photoshop twice in my life.
 
@RadekSlupik Photoshop has a nearly infinite history where you can undo any previous steps.
Just sayin1
 
9:44 PM
Still I find Photoshop somewhat cumbersome to use.
 
Maybe Paint is more your speed then? :-)
 
Thank God I rarely have to deal with bitmaps. :P
I use SVG for my websites and that's about it.
It's still useful for dealing with actual photos, though.
But I would never design a website in Photoshop, or do anything even remotely related to vector graphics.
 
Photoshop is for raster graphic, just saiyan
 
I know, but many people got that wrong.
Look for vector wireframes, Photoshop. Look for monochrome icon sets, Photoshop. Web designs that don't even contain one single picture, Photoshop.
 
Ell
I use GIMP :P
 
9:50 PM
Meh. Did the GIMP GUI improve since a year ago?
I'll stay with Pixelmator for now. I rarely have to deal with photos anyway.
Or maybe PIL.
 
Ell
@RadekSlupik yes :P
 
Photoshop is expensive. :P
 
Ell
They now have a one window option
ahh I <3 this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB91ayDlQLE
(apache)
 
Meh it's still using X11. Won't use.
lol. dat UI
A white square on a grey, round button.
 
what do you want it to use? curses?
 
Ell
9:55 PM
then file a bug report :L
 
Well, no white background.
Just the dot on the button.
Soon I'll get my payroll and then I can start wiping my ass off with €5.00 banknotes.
 

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