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8:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Like for realz... Yo that is heavy... :-(
 
No, I'll wait. I need to keep my precious above a certain level.
 
hehe
 
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
Oh.
Well, eating is overrated anyway.
 
WHAT?
Eating is the best thing ever.
 
8:01 PM
@RadekSlupik Not when you need to spend 55 euros on a game.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hahahahahahaha spending money on a game
 
Well, maybe you don't want to support the developers who spent years working ridiculous hours to make the games that you enjoy, but some of us do.
(And before you ask, yes, that does make an ass out of you).
 
@EtiennedeMartel Good point.
 
Hèhè, not my problem. :P
 
Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut can go fuck itself.
 
8:06 PM
@DomagojPandža What, is it bad?
 
Well, you still have A, B, C - but now you have forced interventions which make even more plot holes than before. It's like adding sprinkles on shit, no matter how much you put, when you bite in - it's still shit.
Also, there is D. You can shoot the Catalyst, he says "So be it" and end game. Everyone dies. It's like a big fuck you to all the fans out there.
 
Lol "Extended".
 
Choice D is basically 3 pieces to the logic of the cutscene.
The game holds such a huge quality standard
For Mass Effect 1, 2 and 99% of 3.
And then fucks it all up, how stupid does someone have to be?
A writer came out recently, he said he had nothing to do with the endings. Mac Walters and Casey Hudson did the ending on their own.
I hope their pride, ego and lousy "artistic vision" costs them dearly in the future. There is 60k people on Facebook alone disgruntled. In terms EA/BioWare can understand, that's $3.6 million per product.
 
@DomagojPandža Who are those guys?
 
Mac Walters, the lead writer who writes shit.
Casey Hudson, project lead who lies every chance he gets.
He actually stated once that there won't be just "A, B, C" endings.
Guess what, we got R G B.
And the disgruntled fans who shot the Catalyst got the Alpha channel set to 0.1
 
8:13 PM
Just a quick question on naming: I have a map that I've declared as follows: map<string,int> 2m1448+10target; but somehow I get the following error in compiling: invalid suffix "m1448" on integer constant. Are there restrictions to naming maps?
 
@NicoBellic Well, a + cannot be part of an identifier.
 
@NicoBellic You cannot begin an identifier with a digit. Also, did you really expect it to work putting a + in?
 
@DeadMG To be completely honest I did :(
 
Basically, you get 8 minutes of new content on 1.9 GB. That's what, ~4.2 minutes per 1 GB?
 
So is there a way to still name it 2m1448+10target and still work?
 
8:15 PM
@DomagojPandža Yeah, why so large?
@NicoBellic No. Why do you want to name it that way?
 
@NicoBellic yes, but it's not worth the effort
 
C++ identifiers can only contains letters, numbers and the underscore (_), and they cannot begin with a number.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I have a very large list of objects, and those are the standard names. It makes everything easier.
 
@EtiennedeMartel And beginning them with underscores is a bad idea
 
So I need to start the name with a letter and not put a +?
 
8:16 PM
@NicoBellic your easiest path is to change those names, sorry.
 
@DeadMG That's standard practice for member variables in C#, but, yeah.
 
@NicoBellic you can replace the + with a _ if you want
 
Good idea. That might work fine!
Thanks guys, as always.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, Unreal Engine 3 is a limited piece of crap, overhyped. It can barely handle large scenes with lousy geometry, let alone huge scenes, so they prerender it, both for consoles and PC. But even with all that, a lot of the "closure" is repetitive images with a few characters (ShepardReaper, EDI and Hackett) speaking over them.
 
@NicoBellic Still can't lead it with a 2.
 
8:17 PM
@DeadMG yeah I figured. what if I start with _2?
 
@DeadMG you could make it a UDL, couldn't you?
@NicoBellic that would work, do any begin with Uppercase letters? You shouldn't make identifiers that begin with underscore followed by a uppercase.
 
Nope, everything starts with a number.
 
@NicoBellic then underscores would be passable
 
it's still a pretty fugly identifier
 
Yeah it is, but with the literally thousands of these that I have there really isn't a work-around.
 
8:22 PM
that's a seriously fucked up system
why the hell do you have thousands of them?
 
There is no actual names for these objects besides these numeric identifiers.
 
make an array of them, say?
 
@NicoBellic Why would you name something with _<number>?
 
I work in astrophysics. These are sky objects (stars, brown dwarfs, etc)
 
Well, keep the display name as such, but you can't have such ugly identifiers.
 
8:24 PM
@NicoBellic Use an array?
 
@NicoBellic wait, you don't want thousands of identifiers like that. Make a map, and it can have whatever names you want
 
No, maps are very much preferred in this case to pull up key values.
 
std::map<std::string, object>
 
@NicoBellic No, make an array of maps.
 
That's possible?
What?
 
8:25 PM
std::array<std::map<std::string, int>, N>
@NicoBellic Of course it's possible.
 
What's the N for?
 
the number of them you need.
 
oh nvm
Yes sorry.
 
@DeadMG I think I missed something, why arrays?
 
@MooingDuck Well, he appears to want like, 1500 of the same kind of object, so...
 
8:26 PM
Yeah same kind, but very different objects. They are going to have pretty extensive maps with a whole bunch of different entries.
 
as long as they are the same type, you can use an array
 
@NicoBellic Same kind, different objects. Yep, array qualifies.
Assuming kind == type.
 
why would you think that you couldn't make an array of maps?
 
Yeah. It's all <string,int>
I really didn't know, I'm really new to this and have no idea really on the tricks.
 
There's nothing tricky here.
 
8:28 PM
part of the point of templates is that one type is just as good as another
std::array<T, N> is valid for any T.
 
No, there isn't. I just didn't think of it.
 
well, it probably requires movable or default-constructible or something.
but beyond that, it does not give le shit
 
I would probably wrap the map in a struct and create an array of that.
 
right
 
I like to avoid concoctions like std::array<std::map<std::string, int>>>.
 
8:29 PM
now I'm gonna go eat and buy cheese.
 
So, once the array is done, I can call on any of these maps as if I had just declared them independently?
 
@NicoBellic You index into it. arr[N] for the N-th map gives you a reference to that map.
don't forget indexing is 0-based
 
Yep.
 
you can now also do things like index into it dynamically and iterate over the contents
 
@NicoBellic I'm starting to think that you don't know the difference between types and objects.
 
8:31 PM
@StackedCrooked Probly cause you forgot the size /whoops
 
That's probably it :p
Just imagine a ,N before the last >.
 
lol
 
I even got a > too many.
I really suck tonight.
@NicoBellic No offense. But I can't see why else you could be confused.
 
@StackedCrooked you could be right, but I'm learning I promise!
 
No need to make promises to me. I don't expect you to do anything.
 
8:41 PM
Anyone who uses Sublime text for mac?
 
I still think he should have a map of names to stars rather than an array of star-maps
 
Is there a point in having a defaulted constructor? E.g. MyClass() = default;. The only reason why I ever used it was to make a class (that had a user-defined constructor) qualify POD requirements. But then it turned out value-initialization didn't work as expected anymore (members weren't initialized).
 
@ManofOneWay I once heard that someone in this very chat actually uses it. I can't remember who, however.
 
@StackedCrooked If you have a user-defined constructor already, doesn't that disallow value-initialization anyway?
 
Yeah. I but I expected that adding the defaulted constructor would re-enable that again. Apparently it didn't, which makes me wonder what the usefulness of the "defaulted" constructor is.
 
8:50 PM
Gargle flargle. I hate being busy at work because I can't hang out here.
Anyone with a Galaxy nexus? Comments?
 
@Drise I plan on getting one eventually.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm getting one today, I hope. I'm sick of the LG Revolution.
 
@Drise LG makes crappy phones.
 
Btw, does Ebay vs Amazon seem like Myspace vs Facebook?
@EtiennedeMartel I was unaware of this at the time the lady was telling me that the Revolution was only 50$ with a contract.
 
@Drise Contracts should be called "deferred rape".
 
8:57 PM
@StackedCrooked to allow you to get the constructor right when you've already written another constructor. It's 100% unrelated to value-initialization.
 
Very good.
 
I think value-initialization requires no constructors doesn't it?
"To value-initialize an object of type T means: — if T is a (possibly cv-qualified) class type with a user-provided constructor, then the default constructor for T is called (and the initialization is ill-formed if T has no accessible default constructor); — if T is a (possibly cv-qualified) non-union class type without a user-provided constructor, then the object is zero-initialized and, if T’s implicitly-declared default constructor is non-trivial, that constructor is called."
I was thinking of the mytype mystruct = {4, "hello"}; syntax, which is not value initialization apparently
Ah, that's aggregate initialization, which requires no user-defined constructors.
 
> Vegetarian cows are now the world’s largest ocean predator.
 
But they won't say that on the news. It's being kept a secret.
 
wel, the thing is that we need more cows as meat demand rises
 
9:09 PM
@bamboon Yeah, or we could give those fish to humans instead.
And feed many more humans.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Less deferred than prolonged, I'd say.
 
Hi fellas, quite an unusually neat room description.
 
9:31 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Maybe it should be giraffes from the past instead... :-)
 
does anyone know a good ide/plugin that automatically changes method signatures in a cpp if i change it in the .h file?
 
@bughi Qt Creator. Sort of. Alt+Enter then Enter
 
or general purpose refactoring tools for c++
@Drise i'll give it a go
 
Qt Creator again.
It's pretty intuitive; I find myself accidentally pressing the shortcuts in other programs like Chrome, which confuse it terribly.
Ctrl+Space brings up Intellisense. And I think performs completion as well.
 
here's the real question
why did I just purchase 8 cookies? :(
 
9:39 PM
@DeadMG Cookies are awesome, that's why.
 
@DeadMG That is a good question. Most people are more concerned with getting rid of cookies, especially tracking cookies.
Come to think of it, I should probably do my part had help get rid of a few.
Ummm...Oreos. Yes, I feel much better for having done my part to rid the world of such evil!
 
mmmmmm Oreos
 
@DeadMG What kind of cookies did you buy?
 
blend up double stuffs with some triple chocolate ice cream, milk and Quik. mmmmmm
 
Qstring y u no .fromStdString()?
OMG are you serious? QString::fromStdString()
Wow.
 
9:50 PM
Yes.
 
@Drise Makes sense to me.
 
I've missed that for 7 months of working with Qt. I had been using someQstring = somestdstring.c_str();
 
sometimes I wish std::string and std::vector came with a .release() member
 
@MooingDuck Release? As in destroy? Or clear?
 
@Drise no, release as in std::unique_ptr<char[]> ptr = mystring.release(); //THE CHAR BUFFER IS MINE NOW
 
9:53 PM
that sounds like a std::move? Is it not?
 
As it is, std::move can only move it to another string, which only covers 99.9% of use cases.
 
std::move(mystring.c_str())?
 
@Drise dream on, that's UB (also .c_str() returns const char*)
 
That blows.
 
@MooingDuck Well not really. :P
 
9:54 PM
@GManNickG no not really, but it doesn't do what you want either
 
You essentially give the data away directly.
 
@Drise that effectively makes a copy of the pointer. The string retains the ownership of it's buffer.
 
It does commit them to owning the data singly
as opposed to refcount, COW or SSO
s/does/would
 
@ecatmur that's already required. Refcount/COW are no longer allowed.
 
oh yeah, C++11, forget I said anything
 
9:56 PM
A string manages it internally and when you pass it in, it can simply take the data and tell the string to suck it up. This way, you just take the address and basically nothing useful happens.
 
I can't for the life of me recall why I wanted to take a string's buffer.
 
@ManofOneWay White chocolate and regular chocolate x4
 
oh right, I had my own string class, with it's own char buffer. I wanted to take a std::string&& and simply take it's buffer, but I couldn't. Can't be done. Have to make a copy of the data.
so: (slightly) better use case: std::vector<char> a = std::move(mystdstring);
 
I made a cake, an icecream cake today. :D
Layers: chocolate, vanilla, chocolate, something yellow.
 
lemon?
 
10:05 PM
It's a construct made out of eggs and sugar.
 
idk then
 
tastes mighty nice, just don't know like what
 
have you considered that it might just be sugar flavoured? :P
besides, sugar is for noobs, real men use sucralose
 
It's strange, I don't know. Why does heartattack potential always taste so nice?
 
sucralose is 3x sweeter than sugar
(quite a bit more expensive though)
 
10:10 PM
@DeadMG What about Stevia, have you tried it?
 
@DomagojPandža The same things that cause heart attacks are also the most effective at preventing starvation -- and even today, far more people die from starvation than over-eating.
 
@ManofOneWay nop
 
@DeadMG I'm eating a lot of curd, and I usually mix it with cordial (is that the right word?) containing aspartame. There is a new one out now with Stevia instead of aspartame.
Hopefully that's healthier than the nasty aspartame
 
Ell
hey guys
yay it works on Firefox
 
I strongly disagree with people choosing misleading user names. — Discount Gucci Handbags 5 hours ago
^ nice
@MooingDuck Ooo. Your candidness might come to haunt you. It's hard for me not to post this in prompt response
@MooingDuck Of course, I've done much sillier stuff myself. Just this morning I spent quite a while (~15 minutes) trying to figure out why my Phoenix adapted function wouldn't work (no suitable overload) whe I defined it template<typename T> unsigned operator()(const std::string& s) const { return 42; }
 
Ell
10:31 PM
why can't we have a distributed computing neural network? like, people download a screensaver or whatever
@sehe not to sound like too much of a noob, but whats wrong with that? ...you're not using T or something?
 
@Ell Exactly. Frankly, I think it is something that the compiler would catch with -Wall, apparently I was running without a makefile and I'm too lazy to type the flags all the time
 
Ell
I didn't even know that would error :L
 
It doesn't, is the point.
It just doesn't find a suitable overload, even if you call it on a const reference and with a std::string lvalue as parameter
 
Ell
ahhh I see :/
 
@Ell This seems a bit trivial but it is easier to miss in a phoenix semantic action to a spirit grammar (see boost.2283326.n4.nabble.com/…)
(so I had the error in struct mapNameToInt_::operator() at first :))
 
Ell
10:39 PM
ahh okay :) thats all above my level I think, I've never used boost::spirit or pheonix or whatever
 
@MooingDuck because a cl.exe is stuck? (happened to me once - kill it using taskmanager)
 
@JerryCoffin "Maybe it should be giraffes from the past instead... :-) " . - Dude, I'm here. Alive. Deal with it =)
Was there ever a resolution to what the truth in the condition if ( double d= fd() ) {... was?
 
10:55 PM
@Cicada ɔɐɹǝɟnן -- ʇɥɐʇ ɯɐʞǝs ıʇ sonups ןıʞǝ ʎon,ɹǝ ɐɹbnıub ʇɥɐʇ pʎuɐɯıɔ‾ɔɐsʇ sɥonןpu,ʇ ǝxısʇ
 
@sehe What shouldn't exist? (I'm the phone with my optometrist right now)
 
@sehe I can build. I just have to make sure to manually build between each "debug" run.
 
@CaptainGiraffe the joke was about dynamic_cast<>, but I wasn't actually participating in that. I was merely responding to:
4 hours ago, by Etienne de Martel
@JerryCoffin I'm saying exactly the opposite.
4 hours ago, by Cicada
@EtiennedeMartel I can't find any ...tsixe t'ndluohs tsac_cimanyd taht gniugra er'uoy ekil sdnuos ti sekam taht -- luferaC
I thought the exact opposite could mean something else too
 
Doesn't cl.exe /VS use makefiles too? I seem to recall an nmake tool. @sehe I see, not a bad crack +1.
 
@CaptainGiraffe it can use makefiles, but VS makefiles differ from GCC makefiles IIRC
 
11:03 PM
@MooingDuck I wold be surprised if it didn't differ significantly, IP and all that. But isn't there a main makefile you can edit? Auto-generated but editable. I might well be wrong. It was a long time ago.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes and he does a sexy British accent on mumble, sometimes!
 
@sehe That's just unfair.
 
@Drise How so. Now, if you told me, I wasn't being upright, ok...
 
@CaptainGiraffe no, you have to jump through some hoops to get VisualStudio to generate a makefile
@Drise what? can't read English?
 
@MooingDuck And a bad one at that
 
11:07 PM
@MooingDuck Not manipulated English characters. I mean, I can but it's a challenge.
VLox y u no give timely results
 
@MooingDuck Ok my bad. Now I feel bad. Both my memory and my intellect is going at the same time.
 
Do not many people answer the Qt questions? This one only got 14 views so far...
1
Q: Is there a Qt Dialog or Widget to interactively sort a string list?

MartinI need to provide a reordering Dialog to let a user interactively order a list of strings. Does Qt already provide something fitting for this purpose? I have searched the usual forums and examples but found nothing appropriate. To clarify what I need: Raw List: FileBaz FileFoo FileBar ...

 
Ell
hey guys. anyone on mumble?
 
@ScottW Very interesting. I may have found my niche.
 
11:10 PM
yeah me
as you know
aw that hurt
 
@Ell oh, now I know your last name too
 
Ell
@scottw its cool, just invite me to the convo ;)
hahaha okay
 
@JimNorton I think it's unclear. I'd assume the array dimension comes out as [6][6], but I'd rather make that specific.
 
Ell
haha what sealed games do you have?
 
@JimNorton not unless you get on mumble
 
Ell
11:17 PM
ahh. I don't own anything of value when it comes to collectibles
the oldest thing I have is a Sega master system but it doesn't work
 
@Ell I have a dining room table, a buffet, and a display case.
 
Ell
not really :L
 
I do frequently
 
@ScottW who wouldn't?
 
Finally gravatar works.
 
Ell
11:22 PM
no I mean what I have isn't nice :L
 
I suppose it's wordpress only then.
 
so now we have a bird to join the menagerie
 
Ell
actually, I have a chunk of iron from the kursk submarine, that must be worth something right?
 
Oh hey, look at the pretty stars..
 
@sbi amazing
 
11:24 PM
@Drise What, your gravatar?
 
Ell
hmm does anyone have google chrome for android?
 
@DeadMG No, I bent down to pick something up and got up too fast apprently.
 
lol
 
@Drise Zing
 
@Ell The stock android browser (from what I've experienced, 3.0+) seems to be based off it. Otherwise. No.
@sehe Wtf does that even mean?
 
Ell
11:26 PM
okay then does anyone have android Firefox?
 
@Drise Closed as a dupe of:
Jun 19 at 22:00, by Drise
@RMartinhoFernandes Is "zing" the new "ouch" or "burn"?
 
@Ell Yes, but why? It's mediocre at best.
@sehe That made no sense in the current context.
 
Ok, well then. My ignorant little self uses "Zing" to mean, snappy/awesome comeback.
Also, I'm not required to make sense, unless paid to
 
Ell
@drise its much better than the stock browser Nd beats opera with jw support. but I can't find the "search on page" feature if there is one?
 
Cyanogen Mod's browser is the best for Android
 
Ell
11:29 PM
jw = js
@deadmg what's so good about it?
 
well, I don't actually use Android, but my brother insists that it is far faster and more responsive than the other Android browsers
 
@Ell Dolphin is fairly reliable, though I wouldn't claim it's the best.
OMG VLOX IS DONE
 
@Drise On the Android browsers, I teach android programming to some extent, and when browsers come up I cry.
 
Ell
ahh kk
 
evrtim?
 
Ell
11:32 PM
@sehe mother has returned so no more mumble :L not that I was conversing in the first place haha
 
@Ell so I noticed :)
 
@CaptainGiraffe On the subject of?
 
I do 1+2 programming classes in java+ android+android There are always this stuff clogging up my tubes.
 
@ell Moved to the greek room
 
@Drise The details are mostly unknown and ungooglable.
 
11:36 PM
Is my gravatar coming through ok?
 
@Drise It's a beautiful shade of green and white. It takes time... It's good.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Balls. refresh then lol
It's coming through for me atleast
 
@Drise Edit =)
 
Ell
it works
 
I enjoy fractals. A lot.
I use this for my facebook profile.
Anyhow, Off to buy a new phone, I hope.
Good night all.
 
11:43 PM
@DeadMG (a) because they were cheese cookies or (b) because you're browser disallowed them
 
you is le nub
 
Ell
oh god I cpuld really do with a cheese.and onion pasty righht now
 
@Ell I fuckin love those things. But my local shop no sell them
 
Ell
I already ate 4 saussage rolls today. I think I'm just starting to like pastry a lot
 
@DeadMG at your service
 
11:47 PM
@Ell They make me le sick.
 
They were le French cookies (les biscuits maybe)
Cheers and night, all
 
@DeadMG Hello
 
hi
 
@Ell Hello
 
you really don't have to individually say hello to everybody in the channel, y'know
 
11:57 PM
@DeadMG You couldn't be more blank if you wanted ("hi")
Hello all!
 
I'm currently projecting my immense intellect elsewhere
 
Um, hi. above the treetops
 
@DeadMG But ego still remains i see babab
bahahah
 

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