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5:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz The actual chip for a PIC is tiny -- the package is large primarily to have room for pins.
 
hmm
 
I seem to have succeeded in altering my code generator so that it does basically completely random shit with memory.
 
that's around 50 Euro here.
 
@DeadMG What is it written in?
 
Xeo
5:01 PM
@DeadMG Talk about unpredictible memory behaviour
 
@FredOverflow C++ with LLVM.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sounds about right. Power regulators, Flash, FPGA, some pins for I/O.
 
@sehe In which question? The one linked to by hopping back 2 chat responses?
 
Flash not on-chip?
 
@JerryCoffin Maybe in summer :) when I will really have time
 
5:02 PM
I actually worked on a rudimentary PCB printer some years ago. It was fun, not really practical. Just fun.
 
yay, fixed
 
@Mysticial Mmm dunno: check this Q - just had that link clipped:
@NicolBolas also, (OT) let me take the opportunity to thank you for occasionally contributing to boost-spirit :) — sehe 1 min ago
 
that was surprisingly easy...
 
Snow's gettin' bad :((
 
@sehe holy shit...
I only got a -20.
 
5:03 PM
@DeadMG what did you change? :)
 
well
I had this problem where constructors return void, so when I tried to call them, then LLVM would cry about how I'd tried to use void as an object of type T.
so instead I simply lied and pretended that they returned a T (this is actually identical semantics from the LLVM side).
 
You too embarrassed to tell?
Oh - there it is.
 
unfortunately, the rest of my analyzer became very confused at this.
 
@DeadMG Lying to the computer is fun. And sometimes shamefully easy. :D
 
IAB done :toot:
 
5:05 PM
@CatPlusPlus Blood pressure stabilized? :P
 
@Mysticial :) I didn't file about the rep, though. But it's a pattern: active users 'revoke' their accounts, taking with them their 'endorsements', which really hurts in this case, because the number of contributors in the particular tags are so small
 
in fact, I'm not even sure why LLVM was confused because I already took care of this somewhere else.
 
@DeadMG OK, you created a void?
 
A type vacuum
 
@sehe Yeah, I'm aware of that. I don't like it either.
 
5:07 PM
He created Dead Space.
 
@Mysticial You like it rough eh?
Damn you edited it.
 
singularity* BlackHole::Blackhole..
 
@Mysticial I'm wondering. @gnat seems to vouch that the votes should not be deleted, just anonymised. However, I'm pretty sure we've seen time and time again that we can notice deletions because of the rep drops (e.g. @daknok)
afk (dinner)
 
@sehe Enjoy.
 
:)
 
5:09 PM
How do you anonymise anonymous votes
 
Put a Gay Fawkes mask on it.
Not a typo.
 
@DeadMG I always thought it made more sense for constructors to return *this;. std::string("HI").append(" WRLD");
 
@CatPlusPlus Using the Community user?
 
@MooingDuck That would be a waste (on the ABI level, semantically of course they do effectively already do that).
 
@MooingDuck Yes. I would go for that. You don't have to use it, but it would be clearer if it was there.
 
5:12 PM
right.
so now function arguments, cross off le list.
what was left...?
destructors, exceptions, all the operators/primitives...
UDTs.
 
OK, you're almost done.
Still snowing :(
 
aaah, man.
I love how in Wide, there are no fucking headers.
 
user784668
There are footers instead?
 
Nice, we got the first CMB mapping from the Planck spacecraft yesterday. Nice to see how it relates to the WMAP's results.
 
@Fanael lmao
 
5:17 PM
@sehe The usual seems to be that actual deletion happens only for very low-rep users, where deletion leads to a -10, maybe the occasional -15 or -20, but that's about it. This is the first time I've seen it where it lead to a lot of people losing rep, or anywhere close to this large of a drop for anybody. On a happier note, you should be getting at least 100 of your rep back tomorrow anyway...
 
user784668
Good thing I don't care about internet points.
 
user784668
@ScottW no, only narrow
 
user784668
@ScottW now
 
SO, WTF R U DOIN? SO STAHP
 
5:21 PM
@Jueecy lolwut
 
@Jueecy Whoa.
 
It's actually technically wrong
 
@ScottW Not sure about 'now', 'cos the soddin' SNOW.
 
Removed.
 
5:21 PM
@Rapptz go go -std=c++1y
 
@Rapptz, yup I know. That's why it was crazy that it got +5 votes.
 
@Rapptz Why is that wrong?
"will" vs "may"?
 
@kbok You can use or in place of ||.
Likewise, you can use and instead of &&
 
I thought you needed to #include some special header file for this?
 
5:24 PM
@kbok don't think so
 
nah
 
> G++ now supports a -std=c++1y option for experimentation with features proposed for the next revision of the standard, expected around 2017.
I thought 2014?
 
user784668
@kbok only in MSVC with extensions enabled
 
okay
 
> The same words are defined in the C programming language in the include file <iso646.h> as macros. Because in C++ these are language keywords, the C++ version of <iso646.h>, as well as <ciso646>, does not define anything.
 
5:25 PM
@FredOverflow 2014 is planned to be library, plus minor changes. Big things were 2017.
 
@ScottW It's true
 
@Rapptz I didn't know that :-( What minor changes?
 
@Rapptz Thanks
 
@MooingDuck I'll be 30 by then.
meh
 
@FredOverflow I don't know that anything has been listed. That's just the intent
 
5:26 PM
I guess no Concepts? ;)
 
@FredOverflow probably not
 
Short-circuit evaluation, minimal evaluation, or McCarthy evaluation denotes the semantics of some Boolean operators in some programming languages in which the second argument is only executed or evaluated if the first argument does not suffice to determine the value of the expression: when the first argument of the AND function evaluates to false, the overall value must be false; and when the first argument of the OR function evaluates to true, the overall value must be true. In some programming languages (Lisp), the usual Boolean operators are short-circuit. In others (Java, Ada), both...
 
@FredOverflow whenever it comes, just using auto as return type from now on is awesome.
 
@ScottW Absolutely. Consider int* p = ...; p && f(p->value);
that's and, not or, but the same wording and basic logic applies.
 
So... now logical and bitwise operators are completely equivalent?
 
5:27 PM
bitwise operators don't short-circuit
 
@MartinJames wait what? they have almost nothing in common
2 && 4 compared to 2 & 4 are different in every way. They even have different results in boolean contexts!
 
@ScottW Yup, you would.
but that's your fault, from some perspective, because the Standard clearly defines short-circuiting requirement.
 
@MooingDuck Yeah, OK, I'm getting confused between languages again. I think my brain is frozen. Have I mentioned the snow?
 
@ScottW I'm going to go on a limb and say Washington USA
 
@ScottW UK Midlands, (Derbyshire).
 
5:32 PM
heh, waaaay off
 
@MooingDuck WOT? I should live in BudLand?
 
@MartinJames Washington USA has plenty of programmers and had freak snow last night
 
man, we didn't get any snow down here on the south coast.
 
I'm hungry but don't know what to eat.
This seems to always be an issue. :(
I live in Michigan.
Where it's still cold in spring.
Oh I live in Wayne.
Hi
I go to Washtenaw for work though.
 
Heh - 'neighbor' - spot the murrican :)
 
5:35 PM
I found what two posts that the deleted user voted on of mine that led to the -20.
 
@Mysticial I got -10. :(
 
Obviously, that's a lot hard for @sehe since he got at least 87 votes from that user.
 
@Rapptz ...where a mere inch or two barely qualifies as enough to notice -- except upper peninsula, in which case it's not enough to notice!
 
@ScottW Virginia?
 
my wife asked about rep a few days ago and so I showed her mine. Which happened to right then be 16666 :(
 
5:37 PM
@ScottW I thought it was a long commute :)
 
Michiganders sounds so lame.
 
@Rapptz I always though "Michigander" was a male goose with a medium length neck.
 
@MooingDuck Did she think you were the devil?
 
@Rapptz she mocked me for a few days
 
The user voted on the branch predictor question (both the question and my answer) on February 5th. He also voted on my answer to the matrix question.
 
5:39 PM
Anyway, I better go prepare/eat some hot food. The power lines have a habit of coming down in weather like this.
 
He voted on at least one other post. But I'm not even gonna try to find it.
 
@Mysticial in addition, in an area where you probably don't get more than 1 vote on average
 
Michigander and Michiganian are demonyms for residents of the U.S. state of Michigan. Less common alternatives include Michiganer, Michiganite, Michiganese, and Michigine. There is no "official" term. While previous governors Jennifer Granholm, John Engler, and Jim Blanchard used Michiganian, current governor Rick Snyder uses Michigander. A 2011 poll indicated 58% of Michigan residents preferred Michigander, compared to 12% for Michiganian, with 12% having no preference, and 11% not liking either term. Residents of the Upper Peninsula typically refer to themselves as Yoopers instead. ...
 
@ScottW What? How could you use a picture of a dog if you're really a gander? This is clearly sexist and I need to tweet about how you've abused me!
 
lol
58% of people prefer Michigander? :(
Yoopers.
To be honest I always tend to forget about its existence.
 
5:42 PM
@ScottW Canada.
 
Michigan has wolverines. That's all I know about Michigan.
 
@JerryCoffin Wut
 
@ScottW Mackinac island is pretty cool though.
@ScottW I like it quite a bit -- but for somebody who grew up in Aberdeen, South Dakota, the first few rings of hell would probably seem fairly decent by comparison.
 
@ScottW UP?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Upper Peninsula.
 
5:48 PM
Formula Rossa is a launched roller coaster located at Ferrari World in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates. Manufactured by Intamin, Formula Rossa is the world's fastest roller coaster with a top speed of . The coaster train accelerates to its top speed in approximately 4.9 seconds using a hydraulic launch system which generates a release velocity similar to that of aircraft carrier steam catapults. The roller coaster track is in length, ranking it 6th in the world, behind Steel Dragon 2000, The Ultimate, The Beast, Fujiyama, and Millennium Force Its shape was inspired by the legendary Ital...
150 mph this thing goes, the fastest in the world. I want to go there...
 
@ScottW I've been through Wyoming a fair number of times, but never really spent a lot of time there. I'd guess boring is mostly a question of what you find interesting. Friend of mine moved there a few years ago, and likes it a lot.
 
Also, they aren't kicking me from my uni.... yet
I don't know if I should be happy or not :P
@ScottW bad what
 
user784668
@ScottW it means you shouldn't be used to initialize a PRNG.
 
Make an attacker's life easier too? http://t.co/Q3r9IOtllf
 
6:10 PM
Sod this fucking SNOW! I'm supposed to be going out tonight and I cannot see my car.
 
@StephenLin It's obvious that the guy is a perfectionist who does not take criticism well. So it's probably best to just let it sit before he starts attacking you personally like he did to me. :P
 
@MartinJames Better start shoveling then.
@Mysticial Linky?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Here's the entire comment thread. Note that a moderator has purged some of them. So my first comment accusing him for being non-constructive is out of place.
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Q: How to make sure NaNs propagate when using SSE intrinsics?

InverseI recently read this about NaN values in SSE arithmetic operations: The result of arithmetic operations acting on two not a number (NAN) arguments is undefined. Therefore, floating-point operations using NAN arguments will not match the expected behavior of the corresponding assembly instruct...

 
@EtiennedeMartel I cannot see my shovel!
 
@MartinJames Then get another one to dig up that one.
 
6:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I would do so if I could get to the hardware shop, but I cannot find my car:)
 
ahahaha.
By who? By the C++ creators and many other(all) programmers. I think you should read some basics of the language coding. — Abraham 41 mins ago
 
@EtiennedeMartel Looks like the guy deleted his most demeaning comment. Lemme post a screenshot that I took yesterday before it was purged.
 
@Abraham So, since you never saw them, then it means they're innapropriate? You better show some serious creds here, because I'm not really impressed right now. — Etienne de Martel 6 secs ago
 
I took that screenie knowing that the comments weren't gonna last long.
 
@Mysticial Yeah, the whole thing didn't seem to offensive to me.
 
6:17 PM
He obviously got himself in hot water. So it made sense that he deleted that comment.
 
@Mysticial Nice cop out.
 
Need to wait for TeamViewer to load... sooo slow
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Happy World Water Day! [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
Figured it would be appropriate.
 
yeah
those comments are pretty obviously "You're thick, stop bothering me."
as a guy who issues that kind of comment often, I would know
 
6:22 PM
@DeadMG You're different. Because you admit it. And you embrace it. That's why we love you.
 
user784668
@Mysticial you mean we love the puppy because he's openly a dick?
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well, it is true that I don't bother trying to hide such things
 
@Mysticial wait we love him?
 
@Fanael yes
 
@Mysticial So much arrogance.
 
user784668
6:24 PM
Fuck it then, I'm dünn.
 
He deserves to eat his own teeth.
 
nm
 
@EtiennedeMartel But admit that I was also bit arrogant with my claim too. But I chose to leave that conversation.
I easily could've turned his last comment to me against him. But I didn't want to make it any worse.
 
@Mysticial No. Now leave me with my double standards.
 
lol
 
user784668
6:25 PM
@EtiennedeMartel fuck double standards, the only standard that matters is ISO 14882:2011
 
Now I want NaN bread to go with my curry later.
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@MartinJames Har har.
 
Hello, World!
 
user142019
I am the embodiment of the concept "god".
 
6:33 PM
@Zoidberg No, you're just a young lobster.
 
user142019
Okay. :(
 
Oh gawd. Another dyslexic puppy.
 
@Code-Guru Hello.
 
@Code-Guru LO. Be aware that it's 'love that puppy' day.
 
sbi
@Zoidberg You're the embodiment of the concept "oh god!"
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user142019
6:34 PM
:D
 
@sbi Hey sbee.
 
sbi
And with that, my seminar is over.
Groan.
 
How did it go?
 
@sbi Time to go round with the smelling salts.
 
sbi
@ScottW Wow. Danke!
 
6:36 PM
Is that supposed to be German?
 
@Mysticial I think he's aiming for Dutch.
 
It's the Lounge's phrase today.
 
user142019
@ScottW Welkom in de Lounge.
 
I hope not.
 
Yeah, there's more and more German being spoken in the Lounge. I guess I shouldn't whine, with all that time I spent speaking French in here...
 
6:38 PM
hello
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Very, very rough. Some nights I sat until 1am preparing the slides I was to show the the next same day, and still ran out of slides by 3pm. So there was a lot to improvise. But: There was an evaluation sheet of everybody to fill in, and they all complained about the room or the food, but praised the guy who taught them C++.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, you do have some small excuse for speaking French.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Such a shame he's a templar cunt.
 
@sbi Did you write the SQL to analyse the evaluation sheets?
 
@DogPlusPlus That twist took me completely by surprise, despite the fact that he kept talking about the "Order" instead of the "Brotherhood".
I guess it's meant to be interpreted as the Assassins and the Templars being "not so different".
 
6:39 PM
Same here. I felt betrayed. Yeah, precisely.
 
sbi
@MartinJames Fitting:
> As a German speaker, words never fail you. You fail them. — @Nein
@MartinJames I never write SQL.
 
Although, their techniques were almost identicals in AC III. Previous entries suggested that Templars were a lot less graceful about taking lives. And then you have Haytham with a hidden blade running around.
 
@DogPlusPlus How D'ya Like Them Apples?
 
SQL is like poetry it writes itself
 
6:40 PM
@sbi Just a brief moment of serious: if your seminar went down OK, well done. I hate doing anything like that.
 
@DogPlusPlus His father (which is gonna be AC4's protagonist) was an Assassin, after all.
@sbi You should drink now.
 
Yup, Edward Kenway The Pirate. Kind of dishonorable for a freedom fighter hell bent on preserving the truth.
 
@DogPlusPlus Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
 
It's kind of gay that we already know how, when and why he gets impaled on a stick even before the game begins.
 
@DogPlusPlus You mean happy?
 
6:44 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yup - he survived. Should get ratted.
 
There's no real good guy in that story, anyway. Ezio was a mass murdering psychopath.
 
Well, the Animus explicitly says "Ezio didn't kill innocents or animals. Kill another one and we'll desync you." :D
 
@DogPlusPlus Yeah, but all those guards?
I'm pretty sure many of those were innocent.
He could go and kill twenty people and then flirt with some random woman without feeling bad.
 
@EtiennedeMartel maybe the animus has no data to base a threshold amount of innocent guard killings on
 
@melak47 My guess is: they're all fucking nuts.
 
6:47 PM
Our new hilariously bad cookie law is in effect
 
@CatPlusPlus ?
 
Our wonderful and smart lawmakers decided that people have to agree to cookies before entering a webpage
 
@EtiennedeMartel guards (or cops) are never innocent...
 
Don't browsers have that as a setting..?
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, isn't that EU wide?
 
6:48 PM
I don't know
It's hilariously bad and I hope it'll die
 
so, what, browsers change the default setting from "accept cookies" to "ask" ?
 
It's a privacy concern for them because they try to protect retards by law enforcement rather than education.
 
No, browsers don't give a shit
 
sbi
@MartinJames In all seriousness: It was pretty rough. I was under-prepared (I could only start preparing on Friday night), I was overly tired all the time (what with doing the slides half the night and spending my days being the center of attention for 7hrs straight), and I had a pretty hard time off-seminar, too (like the mother of some of my kids calling me at 6:30am whether the son whom she had a row with last night had slept at my place — which he hadn't; or another kid being sick in bed).
But I managed to make it all up by knowing what I was talking about, and being able to answer any question, down to any depth they wanted to, so they thought me competent.
 
@DogPlusPlus Yup
People can hurt themselves with this? BETTER MAKE IT ILLEGAL
 
I'm amazed that being alive is legal
 
@sbi Probably 'cos you are competent. Always helps:)
 
anyone here like Riven?
 
@EtiennedeMartel So having a wife and kids makes a man innocent? =p
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, I should. Instead, I tend to a child sick in bed, pack a backpack for another kid, which I will take to a train ride to granny tomorrow, returning with yet another child, which I am to take to its mother, while trying to help to ground a teenager who ran away from his mother the other day in the middle of the night. And my fight for this apartment now entered a new phase, as they sent one of my neighbors a letter openly threatening to sue her — a threat hanging over all of us.
 
6:53 PM
@Mysticial yeah, I'll stop, I think he's got a point when it comes to doing stupid stuff like x = i++ * i++ that is trivial to avoid, but dropping down another abstraction level to avoid something that makes no sense is silly
 
@AgainstASicilian That game with a 5 letter long name (in which the letter V is larger) with a bunch of references to the number five in it?
 
sbi
IOW: Not a good night to get drunk. :(
 
yes; sequel to myst
 
@Code-Guru What I'm saying is: AC never makes you stop and wonder about who are these guys you're killing.
They turn hostile, so they're evil. Kill 'em all.
 
@EtiennedeMartel exactly. give him a taser gadget already!
 
6:54 PM
@sbi Hmm.. go back to the seminar.
 
I had the same issue in Skyrim, where people would attack me for no reason. And that's also why I prefered Fallout New Vegas, because you could talk and negotiate.
 
You can't talk and negotiate with people you sniped over from a nearby hill :v:
 
you can if you're a jedi
 
@CatPlusPlus First stat I maxed in FNV was speech.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ahahah, I also love talking and negotiating with people. That's why I loved Mass Effect. My favorite moments were talking people down.
@EtiennedeMartel Same! :D
 
6:55 PM
I always tried to go for the non violent solution.
 
@Mystical if you're there, can you look at my latest update to my memcpy() question? apparently my latest fix is ok in a C testbed, but when ported and tested in real code it actually leads to regression in some cases
 
@EtiennedeMartel eh...talk and negotiate? not if people attack you because they don't like you because you knocked over a vase in grandma's house while she wasn't even there :)
 
It was the usual "Let's talk, but if you don't want to, I can two shot you with my rail gun".
 
You mean planting dynamites in people's pockets is violent?
 
Damn, talking about games with you guys makes me sorry Kyrostat failed miserably.
 
6:56 PM
@DogPlusPlus It's all your fault, you know.
@CatPlusPlus I always roleplay kind and gentle heroes.
 
@Mysticial it's odd, basically all i do is allow it to use a compile-time constant stride instead of a variable one, but apparently the compiler is using the hint to do something non-optimal...i don't know if alignment is an issue or what (maybe i think it can optimize something because of the fixed strides but makes it worse instead)
 
I'm guessing you can only roleplay psychopaths.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Er.. do you get killed a lot, by any chance?
 
@DogPlusPlus lol, when did you change your name
 
@melak47 Tony linked Cat's complement, so I had to do it. :D
 
6:57 PM
@MartinJames Nope.
 
@StephenLin Crap like that isn't uncommon when you go that low.
 
Good RPGs give you more options than "kill that guy".
 
@EtiennedeMartel you can always run away
you coward! :p
 
@Mysticial any suggestions on what I should guard against?
 
Precious XP and items
Also I don't roleplay
 
6:58 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Sounds like a good reason to me ;-)
 
@Mysticial I can just check an extra condition before going down this branch
 
@CatPlusPlus You don't roleplay in a roleplaying game?
 
@StephenLin Basically the idea is to treat compiler optimizations as a black box. If you know enough about compilers you can try to trick them in one way or another. But ultimately, at some point, you need to realize that if all else fails, you need to do it manually.
 

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