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6:00 PM
Anyone know what the timeline for a Vulkan implementation is?
 
hi Noah
 
int get_size(FILE* fp) {
    int fd = fileno(fp);
    struct stat st;
    if (fstat(fd, &st) != 0) {
        return -1;
    }
    return st.st_size;
}
 
@NoahHuppert how are you today?
 
Super fantastic, you?
 
6:01 PM
Probably should check fileno result too
 
@NoahHuppert alright, thanks
 
@milleniumbug gift?
 
TIL
 
The problem with the theory is that it assumes that "anonymity" is the key factor, while in practice it's not exactly it.
 
user3790646
6:04 PM
ahh wrapping wndproc into a class is nuts
 
Ell
@NoahHuppert there should be something by the end of this year
Steam and lunarg already have a working driver for Intel
 
Cool
 
I want a steak
 
Ell
@NoahHuppert If you're eager you can look at the mantle headers
Or header
They are very similar
 
Amd?
 
user1804599
6:07 PM
2602
A: What is the maximum value for a int32?

Ben HoffsteinIt's 2,147,483,647. Easiest way to memorize it is via a tattoo.

 
Ell
Yeah
 
user1804599
lol
 
Thanks
 
@rightfold why does this question and that answer have that many votes?
 
It stopped raining now but there's like less than an hour before sunset
 
user1804599
6:09 PM
@khajvah because many people voted them.
 
no shit
 
user1804599
time to poop!
 
user3010322
Goddamnit.
 
user3010322
My Professor's input file has an ambiguity in it.
 
user3010322
How am I supposed to finish the exam now.
 
user3010322
6:12 PM
Ffffffffffffffff.
 
user3010322
Emailing him and then going to finish the exam with my assumption anyhow.
 
user3010322
And then blame him if he changes his mind.
 
@ThePhD He'll give you an ambiguous grade.
 
user3010322
The people I would kill for a std::vector right about now.
 
6:16 PM
marry me
 
yeah
 
Mmm, pineapple
 
horrible
 
I would love to try that actually.
 
it's disgusting
 
6:16 PM
terrible
 
Now I'm hungry
 
Ok, how about this:
 
Dessert pizza?
 
does it have tomato sauce?
 
Looks like chocolate, yes.
 
6:17 PM
Pineapples on pizza are completely fine.
 
if not, it tastes good. But it's not pizza
 
no, they are not
 
@milleniumbug There goes the barbarian!
:D
 
@EtiennedeMartel it got worse while I was away
 
Seems similar to a beaver tail. Except the beaver tail is fried, not baked.
 
6:18 PM
a guy keeps donating just so his messages show up on the stream
this guy literally keeps paying money just so the stream shows stuff like "your mother should of aborted you" (sic)
 
Pineapples improve pretty much every pizza.
 
@AlexM. You're telling me he's paying to get his hatred on there? Now that's dedication.
 
What an idiot
 
@EtiennedeMartel yes, it's crazy
 
6:19 PM
Peaches on the other hand, only a few.
 
Margherita only real pizza
Pure pizza essence
 
I'm so frustrated seeing the guy
 
I'm a fan of the "tons of veggies" variety of pizzas.
 
why can't we cure this
it annoys me that we cannot overcome these things
I think in this case the guy has this
Cerebral palsy (CP) is a group of permanent movement disorders that appear in early childhood. Signs and symptoms vary between people. Often problems include: poor coordination, stiff muscles, weak muscles, trouble swallowing or speaking, and tremors among others. There may also be problems with sensation, vision, and hearing. Often babies with CP do not roll over, sit, crawl, or walk as early as other children their age. Difficulty with the ability to think or reason and seizures each occurs in about one third of cases. While the symptoms may get more noticeable over the first few years of life...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In that case, I'm glad I only have unreal pizzas.
 
6:21 PM
Acceptable ingredients besides the ones on Margherita: garlic, cheese (you can always put more cheese)
 
what does pure pizza mean anyways?
 
Margherita
 
oh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But if you put too much, it won't cook evenly and you'll end up with crap.
 
Garlic will fix it
 
6:23 PM
and meat, put a lot of meat
on anything. Meat is good
 
I don't want a thick layer of partially melted cheese.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Preheat the centre with a hair-dryer or other heat-gun.
 
How can you not want cheese?
You'll burn in hell for all eternity. Without cheese
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, there we agree.
 
Here are the ingredients on the last pizza I ate: cheese, tomato sauce, chicken kebab, salami, red onion, oregano
 
6:25 PM
I load up with grated extra-mature cheddar.
 
There are no pan-Asian supermarkets down in Hell, so you can't buy Golden Boy peanuts there
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like cheese. I love cheese. But the issue is if you have too much of it, you can't cook it all at once.
And you end up with something cold in the middle of the cheese layer.
 
You don't like cheese. Can't fool anyone
Cheese finds a way
 
Cheese always finds a way in my mouth.
 
obtw I socialized IRL today
 
6:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Of course. It's second-in-command to bacon.
 
(Also, my ancestors were French. I probably have cheese in my veins, somehow)
 
the colleague who left the job today invited us all to a beer
so I went
 
@Alex with whom?
Oh
 
My head hurts. Some bastard power supply is whistling in here:(
 
I should maybe head to Kaufland and stock up for breakfast tomorrow.
 
6:30 PM
@AlexM. socializing is boring
 
I think the assholes finally got silenced on the stream lol
someone reported the donor and this made one of the Twitch staff join in
 
@Alex was the socializing horrible?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's tiring
it takes effort to find topics or join topics if I don't know the people very well
 
I hate these repwhores who answer obviously help desk questions
 
so I only spent around two hours with them, and when they left the cafe to go eat something I went home because I was too tired :<
 
6:31 PM
I remember reading about how introverts find it draining to spend time with people.
 
it's not draining with e.g. my close family, and it didn't use to be with my best friend either
 
I don't know if I am an introvert or not but it is draining for me
and I enjoy being alone
 
I just drink beer.
 
once I know the people it gets easy because I don't really need to think about what to say
 
I get way better when I am drunk
 
6:32 PM
e.g. I don't care about how they'll judge what I say since I already know
 
I used to not talk at all. I could go out, get shitfaced and hardly say anything
 
@PiotrLegnica Die in a fucking fire you juvenile asshole.
lol, never gets old
 
@Jefffrey wow, fuck this guy
 
I wonder if my postcards have arrived. @Andy how long do you gather it should take?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I doubt they're arrived already. Czech posts aren't known for being blazing fast. My bet would be ~7 days
 
6:37 PM
Ugh
 
@Jefffrey flag for mod
oh wait
it's twatter
 
I am gonna register in twatter now
I don't know what I am gonna tweet though, most probably nothing
 
@AndyProwl Oh, so not "blazing" fast. More like "low heat".
 
Did I fuck up with English again?
 
Oh, wait.
I fuck up with reading you.
 
6:40 PM
phew
@khajvah I have an account and almost never post anything
I can't come up with catchy tweets and stuff
 
I am gonna follow you
 
in the abyss
 
you can just retweet stuff
 
I know, sometimes I do that
 
A minute ago, the ISO C++ committee created a new study group, SG14, to focus on concerns of game development.
 
6:43 PM
but I don't like it much because it's not original
I wonder if there will be a SG15 to focus on concerns about SG14
 
Stargate SG-14
 
if you find the right people to follow, it will be useful I guess
I found one: Kim Kardashian
 
user3010322
MFW find and replace removes every single space in a file
 
user3010322
Q__________Q
 
user3010322
@Brian Kinky.
 
user1804599
6:49 PM
@khajvah watched the talk?
 
oh I forgot, I will do it right now
 
@ThePhD what'd you expect?
 
user3010322
@melak47 I accidentally had it on "Current Project".
 
user3010322
Nothing survived.
 
whitespace is useless anyway :p
 
6:54 PM
@AndyProwl And SG16, and SG17, ...
 
Xeo
@ThePhD ctrl-z
 
user3010322
fgets is supposed to stop on newline
 
Xeo
You did let it open all files so you have an undo entry in them, right?
 
user3010322
@Xeo Uh. Maybe...
 
-__-
 
user3010322
6:58 PM
Oh my fucking god why is the file all \r with no \n?!
 
Xeo
lol
 
user3010322
MY TEARS
 
revert to previous commit
 
@ThePhD Mac OS 9?
 
user3010322
@EtiennedeMartel No, I goofed with some files...
 
user3010322
7:00 PM
Anyhow, uh.
 
user3010322
It seems like scanf is greedy.
 
Xeo
It seems that Taiga can jump again
 
user3010322
So I have to figure out a more sophisticated pattern matching.
 
Xeo
Without falling over, I mean
 
user3010322
This is going to kill me.
 
user3010322
7:02 PM
He specifically ripped up the spaces between the lines
 
user3010322
just to fuck with scanf
 
user3010322
Now I have to hand-parse the file.
 
user3010322
JFC.
 
Xeo
Is that KFC's brother?
 
@Xeo She was drugged right?
I had two drugged cats walking around when I "castrated" mine. It was awesome.
 
Xeo
7:04 PM
Taiga slept it out. Like a hangover
 
They looked like extremely drunk and kept falling over.
 
wait, why is my message starred
 
@ThePhD Sorry, but no. My middle initial is "V", not "F".
 
I wasn't starbaiting then
 
Xeo
Jerry Vucking Coffin
 
7:05 PM
Jerry Velma Coffin
Beh Unity
 
Xeo
Beh Unreal
why is everything shit
 
They couldn't implement multiple selected objects straight into EventSystem even though it's just a slight generalisation of what they already have
WHO NEEDS IT RIGHT
(just anyone trying to do local coop and player-specific menus but hey)
 
@ThePhD You should have gone with a char-by-char state machine straight off.
 
Nobody uses controllers these days
 
Xeo
Right. Nobody.
 
7:08 PM
@CatPlusPlus I do.
 
@ThePhD How does the input look like
 
So your assertion is invalid.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, really
i wouldve never guessed
And neither would Unity
 
Don't you dare try to puppy.
 
Xeo
It's Unity's assertion, presumably.
 
7:08 PM
Do I have to include sarcasm tags
 
Xeo
<not-puppy>Nobody uses controllers these days.</not-puppy>
Great. Taiga is now sitting in front of my screen.
 
I don't believe in controllers
 
What's the engine good for if it neither takes care of all the stupid boilerplate nor enable a good game architecture
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus word,(line_number,word_number),...(line_number_n,word_number_n)
 
Xeo
7:11 PM
My reading of chat is delayed by 10 lines, because Taiga sits in front of it :<
 
user3010322
The catch: word can contain , and (, legally.
 
Xeo
Oh, she laid down
 
user3010322
BUT SHHH
 
user3010322
DOn"T TELL ME
 
user3010322
7:11 PM
This is an exam question.
 
user3010322
I have to figure it out on my own.
 
user3010322
Or something.
 
That wouldn't be scanfable even if it used spaces as separators
 
Xeo
scanf deals with a known number of elements
 
Unreal is designed to increase productivity for artists at the cost of reducing productivity for programmers.
 
user3010322
7:13 PM
@EtiennedeMartel And I hate it.
 
Not very hard either way, unless the word can also contain the exact ,(<digit> sequence in which case it's impossible
 
The rationale being that, on a AAA project, there are ten times more artists than programmers, so that's a good tradeoff.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't believe that's a necessary tradeoff
It's just lazy design
 
It's an easy tradeoff.
That said, from what I'm told, UE4 isn't as bad as UE3 was.
 
Also can AAA die already
 
7:15 PM
lazy design? In the games industry? That shining beacon of good software practices? NEVER!
3
 
Xeo
T__T
 
@jalf That attitude is not helping at all.
 
AAA is just one letter away from AAAA, which is the best thing ever
 
@ThePhD Scan it backwards from the end?
 
People expect crap code in games, therefore they keep writing crap code in games.
 
7:16 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Industry standard inertia.
 
@ThePhD Can we at least hope a word can't contain any digits?
 
@EtiennedeMartel yeah, people should really put bad code filters in in-game chats to prevent the perpetuation of crappy code in games
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, on the other hand, changing it seems difficult if you can't point out the current state of affairs, and the need for change
 
Also, crap code will be written in any industry with ridiculously tight deadlines.
(with emphasis on the "ridiculously")
 
Eh, it can contain digits, just not after ,(, then you'd get away with three-character lookahead
Makes for an extremely tedious code to write manually but hey
You're already writing C
 
7:19 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Sure, but not all industries are full of C programmers with rampant NIH syndrome and a distrust of modern compilers ;) So many games programmers seem to be in denial about the issue, and in denial about the idea that maybe they could learn from other fields of programming, that maybe experiences from other fields of programming could translate to games as well
 
@jalf May I ask where you're getting that information from?
 
but yeah, sure it's a generalization. I'm not claiming it's universally true :)
 
You said "full of".
 
@EtiennedeMartel shit?
 
I had a conversation with a homeless guy, in German
 
7:20 PM
AAA will sooner implode than improve
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes. And I would argue that the games industry doesn't really have room for more of that kind of programmers, in other words, it's full of them
That doesn't mean it doesn't also have the other kind of programmer
 
@jalf Again, may I ask where you're getting that information from?
 
INTERNET
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what was the convo about
 
@jalf quite right, the other major group are Java bone heads.
 
7:22 PM
@EtiennedeMartel From the game engine code I've seen (Source and UE and to some extent Unity), and from talking to games programmers and reading blogs and other resources from games programmers.
 
@Prismatic where I come from.
Told him I'm traveling back to Berlin.
He saw German written on my bike so guessed I was a foreigner.
 
I'm not saying all game programmers, or all game engines or all game studios are dominated by this mindset. I know there are exceptions. But it seems depressingly common in the industry as a whole. (And I know there's plenty of atrocious code and terrible practices outside the games industry as well. I don't have any illusions about that, trust me)
 
@jalf What I saw, both from first and second hand experience, is that the games industry is exactly like any other sector in software development that tackles multi-million dollar projects.
 
That's some form of tu quoque
 
to quack
or not to quack
 
7:26 PM
All developers are bad
 
@CatPlusPlus and all code sucks :p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only if you use tokenism to paint me as a representative of the games industry and him as a representative of everything else.
 
@Etienne there's a reason I didn't say it's exactly it.
 
@AlexM. All I keep doing are quests.
 
7:30 PM
Last time I was in the AAA world, I was mostly seeing a distrust of standard containers (because they had profiled them on Xbox 360 and PS3 and it led to poor performance in their use cases), and using macros instead of templates in cases where it reduces compilation time.
 
But it shares a lot of the same factors: diverts attention by attributing the same flaws to something else; it's basically a "others do it too" statement.
 
Consoles make everything bad
 
@sehe I rebuilt boost. Let me know if you find any problems.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't think I agree with "exactly like". I think what you're trying to get at is that all sectors have problems (and I'd agree with that). Those problems differ between sectors though.
 
@CatPlusPlus That's really the issue, actually: the PS3 and the 360 both sucked (and, in the PS3's case, shipped with a really crappy toolchain), so they had to work around those issues.
 
7:33 PM
Judging by Witcher PS4 and Xbone still suck :v
 
@EtiennedeMartel and TArray in unreal is so much better, reallocating for shrinking all the time! :D
 
user3010322
@melak47 Don't even get me started on TArray, FString, and FName.
 
user3010322
Fucking travesties of code.
 
I wonder how feasible it is to play ksp on a macbook with trackpad
 
The games industry's problems is a combination of dealing with legacy code written back when there wasn't really a good implementation to rely on, and programmers stuck in the past.
So, legacy, really.
 
7:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel you forgot hardware stuck in the past :)
 
So, not at all what jalf said.
 
And old habits die hard.
 
But, judging from what I'm seeing at GDC and other similar places, things are changing.
 
In other news, I have cookies.
 
7:36 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Uh, so what were we arguing about again? Looks like we agree entirely then :p
 
That's the point I disagree with jalf: I'm really seeing good progress being made.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I didn't say progress wasn't being made, did I?
 
You sounded incredibly negative.
 
At least next time jalf can say he got this information from you.
 
So I was assuming you were on the cynical side of things.
 
user3010322
7:36 PM
static int current_line
 
user3010322
I have sinned.
 
Sure, but that doesn't mean I'm as negative about things ever improving :p
 
Sorry about that. I'm used to arguing with cynics.
 
Honestly, it's hard to be a competent programmer without being cynical about the state of the industry :p
 
Nothing will improve if management doesn't improve
 
7:37 PM
@ThePhD but what if the source code you're parsing isn't merely 2 dimensional?
 
Ell
I jsut learned what those spiky balls do on agar.io
 
I'm doing my part by blocking crap in the code I review ;)
 
@EtiennedeMartel no problem :)
 
I'll be a gamedev that'll improve it by some orders of magnitude
 
@CatPlusPlus Here, we're trying to prove to management that good tech leads to better games with shorter development time.
That is, if you do it properly, you save money.
 
Ell
7:39 PM
@CatPlusPlus I will too, that will set you back by more orders of magnitude
 
You should see some of the crap we have to work with or work around too... There's plenty of crap to go around whether you're in the games industry or other software... :p
 
The trick is to be management
 
@ThePhD Send me a virgin and all will be forgiven.
7
 
Ell
@ThePhD why static?
 
If you want something done right you gotta do it yerself
 
7:41 PM
@CatPlusPlus Ever thought about finding competent people to work with?
That way you can delegate some of the work.
 
Just let my boss loose with blogs showcasing C++ template tricks and you'll see what crap code looks like.
 
haha
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You mean, like the stuff you find on Flaming Dangerzone?
 
@EtiennedeMartel haha
 
Hy all, someone can hel me to debug a game.core/
Pay for this job
system freebsd
 
7:42 PM
@Etienne yes, that included.
 
@JerryCoffin Thanks :d
 
To be fair, he's quite competent. Just a bit too eager to throw every cool thing he finds into the mix.
The other coworker is quite the opposite and rather conservative, which makes for interesting discussions.
I have to play tiebreaker sometimes.
 
Martinho the Mediator.
 
7:46 PM
hello
 
Rapptzipoo
I should really try Metal Gear Rising.
 
RULES OF NATURE
 
that song gets you pumped
 
Yeah, that cracks me up. It's a teenage power fantasy, so they went with music for teenagers.
PERFECT
 
It's awesome
 
7:51 PM
nah
 
ohhh, searched on rent-acoder.com nothing.
 
I'll never play it but still
 
Seriously, it is.
 
If someone want, pay
to deug .core file
 
You're supposed to stop posting here and start posting there you butt
 
7:53 PM
that song only plays when you're doing the final blow to a metal gear
btw
 
Other songs are p great too
Also dog best character
Also I think it plays throughout the entire encounter, just goes vocal at the end
 
maybe it's been a while
 
@Rapptz A metal gear that Raiden then suplexes, by the way.
 
It gets so cheesy at times too
It's awesome
 
it's fun
 
7:57 PM
@Cosmin you won't find that here, especially not if you can't even bother to spell properly.
 
is it more fun than dmc
 
JACK IS BACK
 
Ell
I like banished
 

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