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1:00 PM
You have cats?
 
I used to when I lived in Italy
 
@chmod711telkitty a bucket of sand is worth 1 million dollars as components
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl I guess so
Still makes you feel a bit bad, when she can't even properly jump her own height
 
I know :(
 
user3010322
Well, be happy.
 
1:01 PM
It's even worse when she can't because she's getting too old though
 
@jalf they sent to all 100k+ers last year.
 
user3010322
Now when she's a teenager she won't be running around and getting pregnant and being irresponsible and shit.
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl oh yeah, I can imagine that
 
One of my cats lived 21 years - she was pretty much like a sister
 
Xeo
because right now, I know she'll recover and jump her usual height
 
user3010322
1:01 PM
And bringing home filthy alley cats that you think are trash while you have to watch while they ruin their own life.
 
@sehe of course it's easy :< Also, I'm the target audience anyway.
 
@AndyProwl o_0 that's some innings, and in Italy too! The traffic there is nuts
 
lol
she never left the apartment
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl wow
 
I want the weekend
 
1:02 PM
she was scared
 
NOW
 
@Xeo surgery?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Spayed.
 
Are roads in Italy better or worse than the ones in the Czech Republic?
 
@AndyProwl ah, explains it then
 
1:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Better on average
but it depends where
in the South they tend to be worse
 
@Xeo oh, warning, we found it very hard to keep our cat off her stitches. Even with the cone of shame
 
Xeo
No cone, and so far she doesn't seem to have touched the one stitch
 
Czech highways are the worst I've ever driven on
 
Oh yeah, Monday I had to cycle through a crappy dirt path along the Vltava, about 30cm from the edge of a 3m drop to the water, for some 5km.
 
it's like being on a train
 
1:04 PM
That was scary
 
@Xeo probably still too groggy
keep an eye on it though.
 
Xeo
Vet told me that he only had two cats in the last 10 years or so that tucked out the thread before it was fully healed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's a drop to water, what's so scary?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman sure
 
> 3m
 
1:04 PM
@AndyProwl in water vOV
oh wait, rust
 
Xeo
oh wait, getting muddy and getting out
 
@thecoshman eh, depends how deep the water is
 
@thecosh I'm on a bike with a heavy backpack and there's nowhere to get out.
 
@xeo Sid didn't pull her stitches out, but she made them rather raw.
 
user1804599
get out
 
1:05 PM
It's a 3m wall
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Mh. I'll keep an eye on it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes just flag for a mod and have someone kick you out
 
user1804599
case X is
   when 1 =>
      Walk_The_Dog;
   when 5 =>
      Launch_Nuke;
   when 8 | 10 =>
      Sell_All_Stock;
   when others =>
      Self_Destruct;
end case;
 
user1804599
What a horrible SRP violation.
 
just take a bus or a train or hitchhike
 
1:07 PM
And then the path ended. As in, a dead end.
 
And you had to go back?
 
Went around and the path 'resumed' some 30m ahead.
 
lol
 
'Around' here means "carry the bike through the woods on a steep hillside"
 
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1:13 PM
ITT the robot got lost on a single path with no turnings
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
I also had to cross the river through some kind of maintenance stairs on a pipeline thingy.
That path had signposts marking it as an official bike path on both sides, somehow.
And here at Litoměřice... I had to cross a bridge that was broken for construction work.
I have yet to find a road that doesn't look like patchwork.
Fuck the roads in this country, seriously.
 
Guys , anyone having idea how i can use c++ on server side to make chat server (XMPP)?
 
there are so many ways
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sounds like the quality level of highways
 
1:20 PM
My chat server is written in Erlang , now i want to make some abstract using c++
Same like what facebook did
They switch from Erlang to c++
 
facebook was written in PHP? ... Oo front end
 
Chat server is based on Erlang
 
Had to cross that.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's terrifying
 
@dhams a lot of work
 
Ell
1:22 PM
@dhams lol, it seems that nobody in the lounge knows how
seriously
 
We have team here :)
 
your team doesn't seem to be very good
 
is that means no one having idea ;)
 
@Ell Did you not spot the temporary pedestrian/bike bridge, (blue steel lattice).
 
Ell
@dhams are you using ejaberd?
 
1:23 PM
this tactic does not work here, we have multiple people implemented chats before
 
yes
 
Ell
What is the issue with it?
 
@dhams what do you mean 'want to make some abstract using c++'
 
lol did Ell think I jumped across or something?
 
star bait ... abstract chat using C++
 
Ell
1:24 PM
I had no idea how you got across :P
 
Ell
@MartinJames Thanks :P
this makes more sense now
 
If you have a chat system that is already using ejaberd, I'd strongly advise you don't move away from it.
 
Some of the facility like constant data flow lacking with ERlang
 
@dhams and? that's their problem.
 
1:25 PM
I did some research and found facebook had felt same issue with it ., and thats the reason why they moved to c++
 
I thought people here sucked at chat servers just like they suck at Kyrostats
 
yes thats the issue
 
@dhams "because he did it" is never a good reason to do anything.
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, we suck at doing things
 
i am open for other option too
 
what are Kyrostats?
 
1:27 PM
But aleast doing something is better than doing nothing
 
not really
 
I ran out of food.
 
Xeo
eat your leg
 
@AndyProwl our failed attempt at making a game together :\
@dhams you have a working chat system, no? What is wrong with it, what makes you think you need to put time and money into replacing it?
 
We didn't even attempt
 
1:28 PM
If it wasn't raining I'd go to the supermarket but if it wasn't raining I wouldn't be here anyway.
 
Enhancement
 
@thecoshman A Lounge game? Nice. What kind of game was it?
 
Ell
@AndyProwl space fighter IIRC
 
Xeo
The ones that don't get finished
 
cool
 
Ell
1:29 PM
I wasn't involved with it
 
@AndyProwl it was going to be some sort of space fighter, with Newtonian physics IIRC
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We did too. I've sent Anne out to do grocery shopping. I am currently unable to safely move more than 20m from a toilet bowl. Dunno what it was I ate that poisoned me:(
 
@Xeo was Pantoona the project manager? :D
 
@Xeo s/finished/started/
 
You only need multi-threaded C++ if you have like 1000+ messages per second or something. But then, you have to consider how you going to sync with database etc.
 
Ell
1:30 PM

 Kyrostat

Inactive room, go away.
 
I've just changed up the #stackoverflow DH ciphers to a 2048-bit group on all load balancers. Really though, stop breaking TLS people.
 
user1804599
what the fuck
 
Ell
lol
 
1:32 PM
gosh ...
 
@rightfold lol - be quick and stop wasting time posting links here!
 
if it's heavily upvoted, it must be true
 
@Feeds wat
 
also chat here is written in C#
 
Xeo
> Explicitly specified enum values must be greater than any previous value and less than 256
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCK YOU UE
FUCK YOU SO HARD
god fucking dammit with the abysmal fundamental type support in blueprints.
 
1:38 PM
@Xeo hello this is Uniunea Europeana
I heard you have something against us?
 
> UENUM enums use unsigned 8-bit integers (uint8) which cannot be negative values. Valid values range from 0 to 255.
That's... a pretty gigantic fail.
 
Xeo
And it's deliberate
because they wanted to "keep it simple"
it's so fucking annoying
 
No C++ for you
 
@Xeo LOL
 
gamedev.txt
 
Xeo
1:39 PM
They also don't have unsigned integer types aside from that
The only fundamental types are uint8 (for enums), int32 and float.
because that's enough for everyone, apparently
 
Xeo
oh, and it also seems that adding other fundamental types is a huge amount of work or something, so it's unlikely they will add them
@R.MartinhoFernandes nope
 
How crazy from 1 to 10 would it be to teach 9th graders Haskell as a first language?
 
17
 
11
 
1:41 PM
17+
 
I don't think it would be that bad
 
Fine.
I have experience with people learning Haskell as first language.
 
Ok :( Any suggestions for first language? I want something that would convince them to be interested in the field
 
It works just fine
 
inb4 in 10 years Benjamin goes like
 
1:41 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes suggestions?
 
"YOU CANNOT STOP MY ARMY OF BARTEKS"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes were you portable?
 
@AlexM. lol
 
Xeo
@BenjaminGruenbaum 1, if you're proficient in Haskell and can explain well
 
1:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes given a choice of any language - would you start with it?
 
user3790646
Holy crap, Win32 is nuts
 
@Xeo I am, and I think I can.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Oz
they'll run away ASAP
 
user3790646
incredible hard to workaround in a object oriented way with win32
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum C# winforms
 
Xeo
1:42 PM
Since they're not "poisoned" by imperative / OOP languages, they should have an easier time.
 
@AlexM. really or joke?
 
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum really because easy GUI and easy fun
 
user3790646
the eye that sees everything
 
I wonder if the designer of those is a man or a woman. :)
 
1:43 PM
Er
 
@AlexM. yeah, I like easy GUI too
 
kids like easy GUIs too
 
I want them to have projects at the end of the year where they actually do interesting stuff
 
@wilx Irrespective of sex, they cannot count..
 
I would avoid winforms or the like
People just don't get it.
 
1:44 PM
This year it was JavaScript, we did the KhanAcademy course, it was sort of fun-ish because there is no installation required and it's very very interactive
 
@AlexM. Software professionals like easy GUIs too.
 
"How do I pass a variable from one form to another?"
 
What would be a practical Haskell exercise 9th graders can do?
 
You wanna deal with that?
 
user3790646
any tip in working around with win32 in an object-oriented way?
 
1:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I know, but still prefer GUI form designer.
 
Don't use it.
 
I typed 'f' on safari search & it auto-completes with 'fucking windows' fucking-windows.com
 
I don't think those problems are important for kids writing their first programs tbh
letting them place buttons and text boxes in seconds is priceless
 
What do you mean?
Those problems are important because that's what they'll be asking.
 
user3790646
what do you means?
 
user3790646
1:46 PM
mean*
 
Ell
I think starting with haskell is okay
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, if they ask you answer
 
And it betrays a fundamental misunderstanding
 
Ell
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think you should start with Scala
 
Which IMO is why it's a bad thing to start with
 
user3790646
1:47 PM
I started with DM, then moved to Java a few years ago and now I'm using C++, LOL
 
If what they learn is to be unlearned, what's the point?
@Alex the question is wrong.
 
@Ell scala has hard semantics
 
They still have to write actual code in the GUI event-handlers.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum is there no mandatory programming in high school in your country
 
@Benjamin I'd stick to Haskell or Python.
 
1:50 PM
here there's a high school option for programming, they teach C
 
Depending on their background
 
it starts with variables and ends with Dijkstra's
throughout 4 years
 
user3790646
there aren't any high school option for programming here
 
If they're mathy, go with Haskell.
 
@AlexM. We don't need no education. We dont need no thought control.
 
1:51 PM
@AlexM. And goes through countless unnecessary low level details, I guess?
 
@Griwes no
it's about algorithms exclusively
it goes hand in hand with the olympiad
 
Every programming course should start with algorithms, not with variables :P
 
#define REP
 
@AlexM. there is, it's part of why we can't pick JS
 
1:52 PM
professors teach algorithms in order to get students to participate there
 
They teach it (HORRIBLY) already
 
aside from graph theory there's also stuff like dynamic programming, backtracking and so on
 
@AlexM. Oh wonderful:(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the problem with both is while I like them and I think they're fun there are no easy ways to build UIs and 'cool sugar' to build with them and I really want to keep them interested.
 
@AlexM. Implementing all that in C is a PITA and requires dealing with countless amounts of low level details.
 
1:53 PM
@MartinJames my school is one of the last that teach Pascal
 
evening
 
@AlexM. :(
 
in the 9th grade I was the only guy in the room doing pascal at the olympiad
only switched to C in 10th
 
@Ben you have to choose a trade-off then
 
Ell
@BenjaminGruenbaum Do you think? what like?
 
1:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, and I'm here asking for opinions :)
 
Pascal was always more difficult to get inside the time constraints for similar solutions
 
Ell
traits and implicits and stuff I guess
 
both with FPC and the old Borland
 
I personally think the complexity of GUIs is poisonous as a starter
 
I don't know why they keep it around
 
1:55 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum With a GUI framework, you very quickly have to come to terms with classes, instances and function/data members, else you don't progress at all. No, I don't think that's a bad thing.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I agree
 
My company (a hedge fund) is recruiting C++ programmers in Hong Kong and Shenzhen, ping if interested and reasonably competent.
12
 
I'd be too scared to live in China tbh
 
@AlexM. I said reasonably competent anyway
 
Ell
what if I'm interested but not competent at all?
 
1:56 PM
@buttifulbuttefly I'd ping you if I were living ther-- oh wait.
 
Someone pin it
 
@buttifulbuttefly suit yourself :A
 
Scala sucks
 
Ell
scala is groovy... wait
 
My brain failed me. Today is not my best day.
 
Ell
1:56 PM
there now you can all star it
 
Someone bin it!
 
@AlexM. FPC has no form designer/RAD. I could not cope with an environment that has many of the disadvantages of both GUI and command-line:(
 
@Ell I'm not sure if you're serious, but implcits are a pain and all the object oriented stuff isn't fun either (complexity of Java + extra) and so on. Compare that to Python for instance which does not require you to use most of its features.
 
@MartinJames it's not needed in high school
 
In today's episode of "you know your tests suck balls when...", let me present a winner: "Fatal error: listen EADDRINUSE".
 
Ell
1:57 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I guess
 
get input from file -> generate output -> export output to file
 
Also, Scala takes a long time to compile (yes, even the recent versions) and IDE support is nice but still not amazing I guess.
 
user1804599
Scala is nice.
 
Ell
I just like that it's a mixture of OOP and functional
 
SBT is crap
 
Ell
1:57 PM
and it's just groovy generally
man I said it again
 
Undocumented mess of a crap
 
Ell
yeah sbt is bad
 
@Ell oh, I <3 scala but I think that its a bad first language for teenagers.
 
Yeah, that's why I like Python. It works well with gradual introduction
 
Ell
@BenjaminGruenbaum Fair enough :)
 
1:58 PM
It's a bad any language for anyone
 
sbt also has bad errors.
 
user1804599
I never had problems with SBT.
 
but how can be the explained??
 
Python or Haskell should be fine for first timers
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, if only there was an interactive editor for making nifty ui stuff with it.
 
Ell
1:58 PM
my first language as a teen was visual basic
 
Dunno what SBT is but I'm happy to accept it sucks, after all, most other stuff does.
 
@Ell mine too
 
I entertained a thought of using both at the same time
 
I guess we'll advertise on careers.SE later
 
Ell
but I only understood stuff when I moved on to Ruby
 
1:58 PM
If something like Visual Basic or Flash would actually work and be future compatible I'd use those but I can't.
 
Ell
actually I wrote AS2 before I moved onto visual basic
 
My first language was Pascal if we don't include Logo, then qbasic, I liked it
 
Ell
but not for very long
 
Guess you could also use Go for concurrency stuff
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what do you do if your ninth graders don't even care about programming after going through haskell
 
1:59 PM
Why would I want to go into concurrency stuff? These kids don't know what a conditional statement is.
 
@AlexM. 'if' ??
 

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