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7:00 AM
It's just like Goryeo for Korea and "Nippon/Nihon/Zipangu" -> "Japan"
 
no i mean the "coast" part of the name
 
@buttifulbuttefly Dude Japan's native name is "Sunroot" I mean, come on.
 
is it the chinese name for ginger?
 
@buttifulbuttefly No, it's their native name for "Root of the Sun" or where the sunrise is
 
aaah i see
 
7:01 AM
Since they're the most east, people like to translate it as "Land of the Rising Sun"
 
maybe this is why we call them the country of the sunrises
 
But really, it's just "Day/Sun-Root"
 
makes sense
do you have other intersting country names like that??
 
@buttifulbuttefly I believe China's native language name translates to "Middle/Center Country"
 
thats stupid
its clearly far east
 
7:02 AM
:DDDDDDDDDDD
 
@buttifulbuttefly Because China was probably the greatest center of civilization in history and has a long and varied culture and history and perpetually dominated its area periodically?
 
@VermillionAzure was it?
 
lol sorry a commynist country the center of civilization?
 
@khajvah Europe fell to the Dark Ages. When China was sacked by the Mongols, they had a freaking new dynasty.
They have evidence of civilization for thousands of years back.
They invented fireworks, gunpowder, movable type, etc.
 
then why are they shit
 
7:04 AM
@VermillionAzure But all that was Chinese so it sucked probably
 
@buttifulbuttefly Because Europe grew into dominance after trade with China and then the New World happened.
 
so europeans are smarter, no?
i dont get it
 
@buttifulbuttefly No. Race has no factor.
It's mostly environment and culture.
 
@VermillionAzure but internet says Americans are stupid. Is internet wrong?
 
if race has no factor then why are most people white
 
7:05 AM
@buttifulbuttefly Because "most people are white?"
lol.
The dominant race on the planet is non-White.
 
i dont think so
 
Asia comprises of about 60% of the world population.
 
thanks i appreciated
asia 60% wtf
 
The majority of the world is not European; they're Chinese, Indian, Middle Eastern, etc.
 
from when are Asians not considered white?
 
7:07 AM
that cant possibly be
 
@khajvah At least here in the U.S., "Asians" are everyone that's not Native American/Hipanic, Black/African, and West/Central/East European
 
filipinos are asian?
 
we are talking about skin color
 
@buttifulbuttefly Duh.
 
but they look south american
 
7:09 AM
@buttifulbuttefly Of course.
 
@khajvah The whitest Asians are not considered Asian in America.
@buttifulbuttefly Uh, no they don't.
Sorry.
 
@buttifulbuttefly We're the impurest of breed.
 
dont they speak spanish though
 
@VermillionAzure does America has its own understanding of races?
 
7:10 AM
@khajvah Yeah
 
@VermillionAzure that's racist actually
@VermillionAzure great guy
 
@MarkGarcia but theyre not yellow and chinky
 
The Philippines consist of several native races and are also influenced partially by European
They speak several native languages; Spanish isn't really popular from what I understand.
 
how the fuck
arent they closeby south america?
wait im confus now
 
Visayan, Illocano, Tagalog.
 
7:11 AM
@buttifulbuttefly We were once colonized by the Spanish, with some Chinese here and there in history.
 
The Philippines (/ˈfɪlɨpiːnz/; Filipino: Pilipinas [ˌpɪlɪˈpinɐs]), officially known as the Republic of the Philippines (Filipino: Republika ng Pilipinas), is a sovereign island country in Southeast Asia situated in the western Pacific Ocean. It consists of 7,107 islands that are categorized broadly under three main geographical divisions: Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao. Its capital city is Manila while its most populous city is Quezon City; both are part of Metro Manila. To the north of the Philippines across the Luzon Strait lies Taiwan; Vietnam sits west across the South China Sea; southwest is...
They're in SEA.
 
wow my geography seems off
 
@buttifulbuttefly I live in Hawaii; I'm pretty good with my knowledge of basic Asian culture and trivia.
 
yeah i can see ^^
are you white or filipino?
 
@buttifulbuttefly Japanese.
 
7:13 AM
what does that look like
aaaah
 
so essentially white with chinese eyes
 
@wilx Ugh, no.
 
@VermillionAzure which one is you
 
7:14 AM
@VermillionAzure so girls on the right and left are not considered Asian?
 
@khajvah They're all Asian.
 
are you the girl on the left?
 
@buttifulbuttefly That's a random picture off the internet.
 
^ When she says "ask man a favour", does she mean sex or hanging a picture kind of favour?
 
@VermillionAzure You said, white ones are not considered Asian
they are pretty white
 
7:15 AM
@VermillionAzure What?
 
@khajvah "White" is pretty much reserved for "European/Light-skinned Middle Eastern"
 
@VermillionAzure ayyy lmao i thought it was you with friends
 
wtf
@VermillionAzure America is bad at naming stuff
 
@khajvah Because "White" means the people that got there first; Europeans, basically.
 
white means white
you know, the color
 
7:16 AM
Also, this is the woman on whose attire I have commented on and got shitstormed by j*lf.
 
@khajvah To you, maybe. Not to America.
 
49 secs ago, by khajvah
@VermillionAzure America is bad at naming stuff
 
@VermillionAzure you mean, people who notably didn't get there first? :p
 
@jalf Exactly.
@khajvah Let's also pause to consider how America -> U.S. despite having more than 30 countries on it.
 
nice talking to you @VermillionAzure
 
7:17 AM
@buttifulbuttefly lol okay you too
 
learned a lot of things
 
@VermillionAzure yes, the other Americans are not white in USA right?
 
@buttifulbuttefly Yeah, America also likes to ignore Asians in their politics.
@khajvah Depends where you are. Asians are a plurality in Hawaii while in places like Wyoming it is completely "White."
Go to Louisiana and we might have a Black/French/Cuban/White mixture.
Go to Texas, we have Hispanics/Whites/Blacks/Asians, etc.
Go to New York, we find everyone because New York.
The coastal cities and the southern border states tend to be more mixed, right guys?
 
Is ivory coast mixed?
 
@buttifulbuttefly How would I know, lol? I'm mostly on the opposite side of the world here lol.
 
user1804599
7:20 AM
Hello.
 
@VermillionAzure aaaah yeah right lol
hi @rightfold
 
Xeo
mornin
 
Cinch, what if some European is black. Is he considered white in USA?
 
@rightfold Hello, my original non-shit posting version <cc @Rapptz>
 
Xeo
Taiga's at the vet right now.
 
7:22 AM
@khajvah No, because either distinctively dark skin color -> African, supposedly.
 
Xeo
Also, some random dude asked me if I could lend him 20eur
 
or we might have a color range because not all skin tones are equal.
 
did you?
 
@Xeo Answer "yes, I can" and walk away.
 
@Xeo Taiga is your... cat?
 
Xeo
7:23 AM
@rubenvb No, my mother. :P
 
@VermillionAzure Wasn't that exactly's Hitler opinion thoiugh? "not all skin tones are equal"
 
user1804599
@Xeo so is your mother.
 
sorry if im wrong
 
@Xeo Could have been your dog, lizard, snake, bird. I have no idea what you're into man.
 
7:23 AM
@MarkGarcia Sooooo cuute (now draw them ugly, like their true selves)
 
Heck, she could be your girlfriend if you turn out to be mildly mentally disturbed.
 
user1804599
@MarkGarcia awesome.
 
Xeo
I've mentioned multiple times here that I own a cat. Your fault for not paying attention :D
 
@buttifulbuttefly Uhhh.... Hitler was a bit different.
 
user1804599
Snakes on Planes.
 
7:24 AM
@Xeo That's why I guessed cat ;)
 
user1804599
Best Python web framework.
 
Xeo
@rubenvb The vet would have to be mentally disturbed too.
 
I don't exactly remember his exact motivations but it was a lot more than race.
 
@Xeo Maybe she's just taking your cat there?
 
Xeo
@rightfold Is that a new web framework for Python?
 
7:25 AM
@rightfold Flask?
 
user1804599
@VermillionAzure hahahah Flask
 
@rightfold That would be very unfortunate for SEO.
 
user1804599
Flask is horrific.
 
7:27 AM
@rightfold which is the best one?
 
user1804599
Werkzeug is reasonable, but still terrible.
 
user1804599
I don't think there is anything better.
 
user1804599
If you need to do Python, you're doomed, and if you need to do web development, you're doomed as well, so you're pretty much screwed if you need to do web development with Python.
 
I am using django. I like it, though I am innocent in this field (it is the only one I used)
 
user1804599
Is Django still completely unusable without its shitty ORM?
 
7:29 AM
No
it is usable, I am sure. You might need to do some more work though
 
I just tested some code and things seem off
 
user1804599
I prefer good code over code that uses ORMs, thanks.
 
You can still use django
 
@rightfold What's an ORM?
 
django is good
 
7:32 AM
 
user1804599
@rubenvb a piece of shit.
 
what happens when you throw an exception that you don't catch?
 
user1804599
It's an unsolution for people who don't understand relational databases.
 
user1804599
It's complex, hence bad.
 
user1804599
Use something simple instead.
 
7:34 AM
I still don't know where to put sql stuff in the code
 
user1804599
In modules that do storage.
 
my computer gets funny after testing that code, more like it's having weeds
 
user1804599
And nowhere else.
 
do you usually isolate it in a db access module or what?
 
@khajvah in the code
 
user1804599
7:35 AM
The functions in those modules can then be passed to things that need them (see DI).
 
user1804599
@khajvah no, there's no reason to use classes.
 
yeah I fixed it
 
@khajvah Depends if you consider other sources of the same type of data.
 
the problem is, there are some very specific queries that are not gonna be used anywhere else
 
user1804599
@khajvah yes, put them in functions and pass those functions to other functions.
 
7:38 AM
I see
you actually had a question related to this @rightfold
in programmers.se
 
user1804599
pretty simple
 
user1804599
Look up decoupling and separation of concerns.
 
user1804599
If you need a complicated query (which is not special in any way; it's just like simple queries), put it in the postgresql module.
 
I see,
 
user1804599
7:43 AM
This design is easily mockable without nightmares like monkey patching.
 
yeah
thanks, I will consider refactoring
 
basically what is the use-case of the data in your app?
 
Quick, someone mock rightfold's design!
 
user1804599
Note how auth.py and web.py know nothing about SQL or database.
 
user1804599
And they shouldn't since it isn't their business.
 
7:46 AM
yea
 
that is not the question, and to be sarcastic, he doesn't know either about your proposed solutions.
 
hi @khaled
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer wat?
 
@khajvah Let's say your application is a real-time tracking app, SQL & NoSQL databases are not going to work well with that.
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
7:49 AM
you're a moron hth
 
it is almost 4 am
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer this is only about the place where the sql goes. You can either do that or bary your sql in objects
@KhaledAKhunaifer what is your suggested design?
 
Ell
> Those attending the vigil are asked to wear a cow onesie and bring a candle.
 
@khajvah What does your design require?
 
7:54 AM
I am talking only about where the sql goes. There are 2 possible ways. 1. Putting it in object code. 2. Doing whatever rightfold suggested.
 
user1804599
Don't put SQL in places it doesn't belong in.
 
user1804599
It belongs in the SQL-based storage module.
 
I fail to see how the domain of the application matters in this case.
 
@Prismatic cute
 
7:55 AM
Welp, anyways...
 
@khajvah I'mt not asking how you like to use it in code, I'm asking how in technical terms going to be used within your application framework. Local or on server, frequency of use over time, etc..
 
Apparently my JS internship needs me to learn about a bit about templating
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer let's say it is like you said, real-time tracking application
 
user1804599
Then still put it in a place that only deals with SQL-based storage.
 
@khajvah well then you need a real-time database, on a good web hosting.
 
user1804599
7:57 AM
no, what you need depends on your application.
 
dude, we are talking only about sql. We are not discussing what database to use
what you are talking about is completely different and unrelated problem
 
user1804599
@khajvah watch this one day: youtube.com/watch?v=WpkDN78P884
 
user1804599
It's a nice talk.
 
@rightfold I will, after work :)
 

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