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4:02 PM
@AlexM. GIFT
@AndreyErick Ok, have fun reinventing the wheel.
 
@milleniumbug Here's the thing: it has little to do with anonymity.
Sites that use Facebook for commenting, where people post with their real names, experience the roughly the same amount of toxicity.
 
Ell
@AlexM. Its messed up :/
 
People are more likely to show toxic behavior if they feel like they won't get punished for it.
 
welcome to the internets
 
@nick Fuck that
 
4:07 PM
@nick Not only the Internets. Look at your average crowd, for instance.
 
I hate that "it's just the internet, get used to it" attitude. That is a huge part of why people feel they won't get punished for their toxic behavior
it may be the internet, but the people on it are real people.
 
Humans are naturally enclined to follow rules, but they might be more comfortable breaking them if they can get away with it.
 
i didn't mean it as "get used to it" but yeah
 
@nick I know, but that's kind of implicit
 
you can either have accountability or anonymity
most people prefer the latter
 
4:09 PM
@nick nah, as he said, removing anonymity doesn't solve the problem
(also, you can generally have accountability even while preserving anonymity)
 
And removing anonymity isn't necessarily a good thing. There have been plenty of stories of people being bullied in real life after being cyberbullied because people managed to track them using their real names.
 
> but the people on it are real people.
Can you prove that I'm real? :P
 
if no one knows who you are then how will they hold you responsible?
only person that can do it is you
 
Here's the thing. You don't necessarily need to punish the physical person. Only that person's online presence.
Just ban the guy.
 
@nick Well, one way is to shout at you. I can tell you off here without being able to tie your username to a named and known individual in the real world. I can criticize you if you behave like an ass
Or administrators can suspend or ban you
they don't need to know who you are
 
4:12 PM
@buttifulbuttefly I'm sorry. I'll not seize the opportunity. Estonia and Singapore seemed so much more attractive :S
Why is there no reasonable job closer to home :S
 
SomethingAwful charges a one time 10$ fee to create an account. If you get banned from there, then that means another 10$ to create a new one. Seems to deter people.
 
(I know, there are, but they don't seem half as interesting)
 
fucking players on agar.io if you want to play teams go play a team game
 
Am I terribly behind for still not knowing what agar.io is
 
its pretty lame youre not missing much
 
4:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel This sucks
 
@TonyTheLion I use an advanced form of the turing test. And yes, you are a real person
 
@sehe heh
 
@sehe An online game (that's the URL)
 
Haha. It took me forever to figure out that I was supposed to use the mouse.
 
hah
 
4:15 PM
> Move your mouse to control your cell
:D
 
@sehe Is that the one where people have to chat with either @TonyTheLion or a real lion, and if they can't tell whether they're talking to a real lion or not, he's passed the test?
 
user1804599
hi!!
 
user1804599
I want something like SQLite except in-memory and using the type system of the host language.
 
@jalf He's not currently a real lion. But my systems have determined that he was a lion in either his 7th or his 11th previous life
@rightfold Coming up!
 
4:17 PM
@EtiennedeMartel All praise tenbux
 
user1804599
With relations, indices, triggers and constraints.
 
Old fashioned. And why
People have spent multiple decades to come up with what you order. Don't you think it would have gotten there by now
 
Xeo
Oh, it seems like Taiga's alive again. She came over and ate some food
 
The in-memory part is merely a minor implementation detail
 
user1804599
@sehe link
 
Xeo
4:18 PM
aaaand she still can't quite jump. Not onto my lap at least.
 
SQLite can run in-memory, can't it?
 
HEY IM USING TWO PHASE INIT
 
user1804599
I can't find something which doesn't have its own type system.
 
Also, Realm can do the "in the host language's type system" thing, but I don't know enough about it to say if it can do the rest
 
> ninja: error: build.ninja:29: path canonicalizes to the empty path
 
might be worth checking that out
 
user1804599
What is it called?
 
What does "canonicalizes" mean?
 
user1804599
If I know that then I can at least search for it.
 
And it's a "game mode" class so it's almost like a "application" class
 
4:19 PM
 
hoboy
 
user1804599
"In-memory RDBMS" results only in SQLite and H2.
 
Xeo
aw shiet Cat, are you trying to start a riot?
 
they tried to hire me a year or two ago. They seemed like cool people :)
 
@rightfold there's prevayler and bamboo; raven sounds close (I might remember badly)
@rightfold well, that kinda restricts it ... since the type systems won't match anyways
 
4:20 PM
Are you guys still talking about the application class
 
@rightfold really. That's stupid. Unless you also meant (and googled?) in-process
 
If I use a ctor then I'll have to replicate the arguments somewhere else, because I need to store Types for later
 
user1804599
I mean something like Boost.MultiIndex.
 
Well or go with object[] but meh
 
@rightfold So. Just a query engine library.
 
Xeo
4:21 PM
@CatPlusPlus Got a snippet example?
 
user1804599
@sehe And triggers. And invariants.
 
2 mins ago, by jalf
https://realm.io/
@rightfold you don't want all these
 
user1804599
Why not?
 
Triggers are a crutch for business logic. If you don't want the DUMB standard SQL type system, by stoop to the crutches that came with it
 
user1804599
Cascading delete is incredibly useful.
 
4:22 PM
Yes. It's called garbage collect, really. Refcount even
 
whats wrong with mongo?
 
user1804599
It's a form of triggers.
 
How the fuck do you pass the current path as an input to a ninja build rule
 
GameModeRegistry holds supported modes (doesn't really matter how, cause at this point the required bits for init are not there), then at the game start I need to do Activator.CreateInstance and to keep type safety of arguments there's either need to be a method that takes them, stuffs them into object[] and passes them to the ctor OR the ~~~dreaded two-phase init~~~~ method on the GameMode itself that takes them
So two places or one place!
@nick Everything
@Jefffrey Current path of what
 
@Jefffrey "."? (disclaimer: never seen/used ninja)
 
4:24 PM
ninja doesn't change paths
 
mongo seems pretty decent, i like the document model
frankly i never understood sql style databases
 
It has terrible integrity properties
And it doesn't really work in distributed fashion all that well
And document model means you have to rewrite entire document even if you change a small bit of it
And you better pray your data really isn't relational
CouchDB is a better document DB anyway, there's literally no reason to use Mongo
.@minessis Use DynamoDB when you need elastic scalability. Use MongoDB when you want your data deleted at random.
 
@CatPlusPlus Current working directory
 
Then it's .
 
user1804599
RavenDB has ACID guarantees.
 
4:27 PM
Always everywhere
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Sounds evil
 
@CatPlusPlus It errors out with: "ninja: error: build.ninja:29: path canonicalizes to the empty path"
 
@Jefffrey SSCCE
@Xeo Not really
I could not store Type and instead store a lambda that creates it but then I'd replicate ctor arguments N times so
 
Xeo
As in, lesser-of-two-evils
@CatPlusPlus Yeah
 
Xeo
4:29 PM
And that falls apart anyways when you need to supply arguments that aren't available at the time the game modes are registered.
 
But then again it's not that big of deal to have ctor arguments in two places
So maybe
 
Breaking News: Stallman is paranoid
9
 
And the error is:
> ninja: error: build.ninja:29: path canonicalizes to the empty path
 
can i use couchdb with Meteorjs?
i think its built around mongo
 
user1804599
If you can't, then Meteor is shit.
 
4:30 PM
Why would you use meteorjs in the first place
@nick lol
 
Relevant rules and builds are line 54 and line 67.
 
Here's a good quality check tip: if something uses Mongo or Redis as its primary data store, it sucks
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus actually, why would you have them in two places?
 
Which are the new ones that were introduced before the thing keeps blowing up.
 
whats wrong with redis?
 
user562566
4:31 PM
@thecoshman There's a great video of him giving a lecture somewhere, where during the Q&A at the end, he's literally picking chunks of skin off his feet and eating it. nuff said.
 
@Xeo Type safety
 
hello loungers
 
Redis hits 3.0 but maybe it's safer to gamble on a game show. Round and round we go, where the write goes nobody knows!
 
hallo
 
Redis is fine as fast cache, but lol if you can't rebuild the data inside you're probably going to lose it
 
Xeo
4:32 PM
@CatPlusPlus And now the distinction becomes important: Are you talking about the actual arguments that will be passed to the ctor in the end, or the parameter types of the ctor?
 
user562566
@sehe what did you mean earlier when you said " Remember about thread/process attach"
 
isnt it backed up to persistent storage?
 
Xeo
(To be clear: I just can't picture what your lambda way would look like, right now)
 
@Xeo I.e. CreateInstance takes object[] as ctor arguments, so a call-site mistake would be runtime error and not compile-time error
 
4:33 PM
Apparently it's intended behaviour too.
 
So I'd need a wrapper that duplicates the arguments
 
user562566
@Griwes yes.
 
Xeo
Mind making an SSCCE for me? I can't seem to picture it.
 
@TechnikEmpire Googling "stallman foot cheese" is a no-brainer when someone mentions that. :D
 
@Jefffrey That's crap dependency anyway, if you're copying the include folder then depend on the include folder
Or, better yet, don't do this nonsense and instead generate separate rule for every header
Otherwise changing them won't trigger the rule
 
Ell
4:34 PM
@Griwes it must be fake
Nobody does that man
 
user562566
@Griwes lol it's pretty awesome. he's an anomaly to me. Everyone I know has to act like a human being (not eat parts of the own body in public, for example) and work for a living to stay alive and be socially accepted. He breaks both those rules and thrives.
 
Ell
I can't fathom it being real
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't want it to be triggered automatically. I just want ninja install to execute that rule.
And install the library in the specified --install-path
 
@TechnikEmpire He's a silly idealist, and there are people who believe he is right, which is the sad part.
 
user562566
@Griwes He's a cult leader.
 
4:36 PM
Pretty much everything he writes shows us how darn far away from the real world he is, lol.
@TechnikEmpire I thought I just said that.
:)
 
user562566
lol
 
Ell
Not this again...
 
He's right about some things, but we're already been through that
(you sukc)
 
user562566
seems like the topic is already tired. sorry bros
 
user562566
he's shit. the end. next
 
4:37 PM
Next what?
 
@Jefffrey "next subject".
 
user562566
@JerryCoffin yeah haha
 
You can't just ask for a new subject. Subjects are given by the gods.
 
Next subject: According to SO, I'm officially the answer to life the universe and everything.
 
user562566
lol
 
user562566
4:40 PM
winsock makes me want to stab my eyes out with rusty spoons and set them on fire
 
@Jefffrey I just gave the next subject. "He never claimed to be a god, but then he never claimed not to be a god."
 
@JerryCoffin source?
 
@TechnikEmpire Which particular part of Winsock is causing that particular reaction?
 
@JerryCoffin I don't get it
 
4:44 PM
We already have delayed init all over the place because Unity so whatever reall
 
@JohanLarsson I'm in 42nd place in overall reputation.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I see now. Might reduce the duplication for the ctor method by wrapping params in a struct, but besides that...
 
@JerryCoffin I found hitchhikers guide annoying after the first 1/3. Meh book.
 
user1804599
Common big data definition: "Amounts of data managable by Postgres, but not by the hip database that Hacker News convinced me of in 2011."
 
user562566
@JerryCoffin I'm actually not sure what the problem is. I've created a shared lib that exposes control of objects using boost::asio, which means I have to use a dirty provided hack to stop static initialization of boost::asio::winsock_init<> because otherwise it ends up initializing in dllmain. So then you have to manage winsock initialization/cleanup yourself, but some fuckery is happening where it's not actually initializing
 
user562566
4:49 PM
@JerryCoffin but anyway
 
Xeo
That's my shoulder bag she's sleeping on.
 
catte
 
turn it inside out around her carefully
 
Xeo
*her
 
fail edit
 
4:51 PM
You won't be able to use that bag anymore today
 
@JohanLarsson Hmm...strange. I found it extremely entertaining (but it has been a long time since I read it--not sure what I'd think today).
 
It was fun in the beginning, got old fast for me.
 
user1804599
@Xeo Punish her.
 
Xeo
@milleniumbug Good thing I didn't plan to do so!
 
are you kidding me? hitchhikers is my favorite book
 
4:54 PM
@CatPlusPlus that looks pretty ew, too lazy to read what problem you are solving.
 
It's fine
 
why do you need start(int number)?
 
Because it's a player choice from an UI select box
 
does not sound like wpf
 
user3010322
F I N A L E X A M B O I S
 
user3010322
4:58 PM
Seriously it's CS 240 final exam time and it's a bunch of C programming!
 
Xeo
Watching a cat sleep is so soothing.
 
@Xeo Cats sleep?
@ThePhD Had an exam today, FP4.
 
user3010322
@Columbo FP4?
 
@Columbo Yes, mostly
 
@ThePhD Further pure 4. You wrote that too, right?
 
user3010322
5:01 PM
What is that?
 
@ThePhD The last unit of Further Pure Mathematics. Vector calculus, mostly.
 
@Xeo It looks so much like one of my cats.
I'll take a picture when I get home.
 
Xeo
typical house cat :P
 
@JerryCoffin "He never claimed to be a god, he just acted like one".
 
Xeo
 
5:06 PM
Is it possible to copy-construct on vector init, parameterising the object's position in vector?

Like `std::vector<T> t(N, T(i))`, where `i` would be the position of that particular element being constructed? (for all i<N)
 
@Jefffrey Sam actually did his best to act like the Buddha.
 
Xeo
no
 
@Xeo me no?
 
I just gave an answer that is terribly wrong and got both accepted and upvoted.
I should probably fix it or remove it.
 
user1804599
@OllieFord no.
 
5:08 PM
@rightfold thanks
 
@Jefffrey In that case, you're kind of stuck with fixing it (you can't delete an accepted answer, at least without getting somebody higher up to override the usual restrictions on things--and I'm not sure know who would or wouldn't be able to do that sort of override).
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin Downvote to -1, then you can vote-to-delete it normally
Or just flag for mod
mention that it's incorrect
they'll remove it
 
Ell
@Xeo aww how is Taiga doing?
 
user3790646
5:23 PM
i do not fell the englich exam, I now I passed away! God blast you
 
@AndreyErick wow
that takes talent
 
user3790646
hehe I know right
 
user3790646
I dream of euromillions, I dream I scooped the lot :P
 
user3790646
for the last time, win32 is nuts
 
this is terrible. I don't have money for the university
 
user3790646
5:27 PM
:O @khajvah I'd like to help
 
@AndreyErick Mmm...nuts. I love Pecans.
 
I have a feeling, my next 5 years are going to be tough
 
Ell
@xeo good :)
 
Welcome to the club; I went to engineering school for 5 years on private loans.
I'm going to be paying them back until I'm 50.
 
user3790646
I'll also have tough college days when I get there, my family can't afford two siblings in university
 
Ell
5:30 PM
That's gonna suck
 
@ShotgunNinja I don't want to take a loan. :(
My parents' job got fucked up because of motherfucking corrupt government
 
user3790646
The only money I have is from this software I'm writing
 
user3790646
 
user3790646
I killed the chat...
 
One does not simply kill the lounge
 
user3790646
5:41 PM
 
user3010322
I wish one could get the size of the file when you performed fopen on it.
 
user3010322
The whole fast forward ftell rewind thing is really off-putting.
 
what format does the file have?
 
user3010322
It's not a format.
 
user3010322
It's just any old FILE*
 
5:54 PM
@khajvah Honestly, I managed to get all of my loans approved because my parents have halfway-decent credit, and since then I've been on-time or a month late with all of my loan payments while still financially supporting my girlfriend, contributing to a 401k, and saving $50 out of each paycheck.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Ask the filesystem instead of the file? vOv
 
user3010322
@Xeo Yeah, but that's either <filesystem> or Boost.Filesystem or {OS specific thing}.
 
My parents are making up for their lack of direct support by each helping with one or two loans.
 
user3010322
Also, I'm in C.
 
user3010322
There is no <filesystem>
 
Xeo
5:55 PM
Also, you're fucked
 
:lol
 
user3010322
q_q
 
@ThePhD All systems support stat()
 
@ThePhD loans are terrible. But I guess it is a solution. That or I will do some shit job in USA
 
Best part is, I'm looking to give up my cushy well-paid secure job for an even cushier, better-paying job that actually gives a shit about software process.
 
5:57 PM
just create a function that handles the forward, ftell, rewind for you?
 
user3010322
I don't see that in cppref... I'm not sure I could use that without #ifdef on the exam.
 
user3010322
... Oh well.
 
user3010322
@schumacher574 The problem is the rewind, not that it takes 3 function calls.
 
gotcha
 

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