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9:02 PM
aaaaah
aw yiss
installing beta fixed it
now i can look without pain
 
yay food's here
smells good
 
by the way
windows 8 seems like better tablet system than iOS and Android
also this laptop is amazing
it's way better than I thought it would be
 
it is a better tablet system than iOS and Android
 
iOS for tablets is a zoomed in iOS for phones
 
9:09 PM
lol, I'm logged in the chat but can't log into SO
 
actually, I'd even go as far as to name W8 THE touch screen OS
I went to a store and tried the desktop version of W8 on a touchscreen monitor
and I actually liked browsing metro through it
 
@AlexM. I think desktop touchscreens aren't very useful
on Yoga it makes more sense though
Also the digitizer works really nicely
 
on desktops yup, probably not that useful
it's worth noting that there are games that support touchscreens on W8 though
and I mean !metro games
Civilization 5 has a touchscreen mode
must be interesting to play on this huge touchscreen monitor and manipulate the world map and stuff with your hands
 
@AlexM. not really
I had 22" touch screen for quite some time
 
but did you play civ 5 on it
I'd feel like tony stark navigating world maps and tech trees on a touch screen lol
 
9:15 PM
@AlexM. yes. We also played it streamed from PC to nexus 4
 
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The MacAddresses sent up by your computer when you connect to places (or by your router)
 
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is that the ID burned into the hardware or can it be changed VIA software?
 
technically it's bound to your network adapter IIRC
but there just has to be a way to fake it somehow via software
I mean wth
 
@ThePhD Both. It's hardware defined but usually you can ask from software to use another
 
I'd be surprised if there wasn't
people do all kinds of shit with code
 
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9:20 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae Got it.
 
Also, did I really get suspended for saying bartek fagachewicz? That's a new low
 
@jww Programs with undefined behavior are not illegal. They simply have behavior not defined by the standard. Compiler writers are free to define what they will do, or leave it undefined, or summon demons to shoot out of the programmers nose. gcc with -fwrapv defines what happens on signed overflow, for example. — Yakk 2 days ago
heh pedantry strikes again
 
Shittyfox is unusable.
 
> or summon demons to shoot out of the programmers nose
why do people choose to use such extreme nonsense to present what UB is
I've seen kittens dying
 
wtb PostgreSQL ORM that doesn't care about shittier databases
 
9:22 PM
and all kinds of other things that can happen because of UB
 
@AlexM. Just to emphasize the "really, anything can happen"
 
by giving an example of something that pretty much can't happen
 
@Rapptz I thought that was the definition of unspecified.
 
i.e. demons shooting out of the programmer's nose
 
@AlexM. WRT the standard, it can
 
9:23 PM
fuck the standard, I'm an expert in demonology
 
Also god how hard is it to upload new version of the fucking thing to PyPI
 
> Quercus is Caucho Technology's 100% Java implementation of PHP 5 released under the Open Source GPL license. Quercus comes with many PHP modules and extensions like PDF, PDO, MySQL, and JSON. Quercus allows for tight integration of Java services with PHP scripts, so using PHP with JMS or Grails is a quick and painless endeavor.
I forgot about that. PHP and Java at the same time. Awesome
 
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12:34:56:78:9A:BC
12-34-56-78-9A-BC
 
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Which style of mac addresses do you guys see?
 
@Jefffrey connect keyboard
@ThePhD the first. why?!?!
 
9:27 PM
Wooops.
 
@ThePhD Both??
 
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I was just curious, because /ipconfig does the - format, but my router's internals do :
 
@AlexM. I'm sorry to hear that
 
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I was just wondering why.
 
Both formats exist
 
9:27 PM
MS! That's why
 
@ThePhD Mostly the first one.
 
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inb4 "Mac addresses in Windows could be erroneously interpreted as drives, so we used dashes"
 
You don't want to know
 
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Has anyone ever seen :: ?
 
No;
 
9:30 PM
@ThePhD That's for IPv6 when zeroes are skipped
 
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Ah.
 
what are you trying to do with mac addresses?
 
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Nothing, just inspecting things.
 
> We Experiment On Human Beings! okcupid
Wow. That's kinda brazen. And very entertaining.
 
dating sites always felt so meh and shallow to me
no idea why
 
9:35 PM
> …and whose profile, by the way, contained no text, is just so obviously a really cool person to hang out and talk to and clutch driftwood with.
 
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> Oddly, it appears that having a better-looking blind date made women slightly less happy—my operating theory is that hotter guys were assholes more often
 
@AlexM. read the article. You'll get all the confirmation you want and a few happy insights
 
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Lel.
 
@ThePhD I was gonna post that initially, but I felt I had to create some context first :)
 
@sehe I'll bookmark it for tomorrow, it's almost 1AM and I need to sleep, so I couldn't finish it tonight anyway :(
but leaving that aside
I think the idea of finding a soulmate on a dating site is kinda meh to me
it feels unnatural
 
9:37 PM
@sehe I like the writing style
 
it's like two guys saying "Hi, I'm desperate. Wanna hang out?" "Sure, I'm desperate too. Let's hang out."
or maybe I'm exaggerating
no idea
I'd never be able to do it
 
@sehe "Wanna clutch driftwood with me?" is my new pickup line.
@AlexM. What's weird about that?
 
hmm
touchpad swipes work really nice in Win8
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I dunno how to explain
it's weird to me
 
Or maybe "Wanna clutch my driftwood?".
 
9:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That picture sure makes it look like a nice party game
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what does that even mean
the article doesn't explain
 
@AlexM. look at article for context
 
 
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I'm at work. u.u'
 
9:41 PM
let me use my .png inference
 
@ThePhD Too much personality for you?
 
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Far too much personality.
 
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That and the other interns here are now giggling. :(
 
> After we got rid of the two scales, and replaced it with just one, we ran a direct experiment to confirm our hunch—that people just look at the picture
See, you should have looked at the picture first
 
wait
she really is clutching driftwood
I just noticed
I thought it was some slang for sex
 
9:42 PM
Someone is catching my drift.
(Not wood)
 
The picture says a lot
 
I'm not sure.
 
I suck at this
 
Not sure what say, really.
 
well, who needs relationships anyway
installs more compilers
 
9:42 PM
humans
 
@AlexM. Yeah, I'm a robot.
 
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Humans need relationships.
 
@AlexM. Now, tell me honestly: did you (a) not look at the picture or (b) only look at her body?
 
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And Horizontal Refreshment.
 
HR?
 
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9:43 PM
Some very old slang word for sex.
 
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Like, 17th century.
 
@sehe I actually looked at the picture, but I think the phrasing was at fault in my case
 
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There was some really interesting ones on teh list too.
 
this is the first time I used "clutch" in the same way as "grab" so right from the start that was not one of the things I thought of
 
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Like Dancing the Kippy (I think).
 
9:44 PM
@ThePhD Oh. I thought she was really refreshing herself horizontally.
 
Like an oscilloscope?
 
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Add some horizontal refreshments to my progress bar.~
 
hmm chrome also sucks at smooth scrolling
 
I'm going to refresh myself horizontally soon
ok
 
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9:45 PM
When I first saw it
 
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I actually thought it meant sleep.
 
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Because that sort of makes sense unless you sleep standing up.
 
I am tempted to run some 3D game
 
> When we tell people they are a good match, they act as if they are. Even when they should be wrong for each other.
wait sites do that?
like, look at this guy, he's a good match for you
this is so weird
 
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Placebo effect.
 
9:47 PM
What, you thought people just spent days looking at profiles?
 
um yeah
 
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What would be the point of using a computer then?
 
@AlexM. I only saw the drift wood after the funny text reference.
 
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You might as well just be talking to a bunch of different people.
 
@sehe I just started kinda laughing
it looks really obvious now lol
but at first I thought of a car's clutch
 
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9:49 PM
The computer can return you Highly Useful(TM) data using State-of-the-Art(TM) Matching Techniques.
 
@ThePhD I'd actually be ok with that
 
@ThePhD They are!
 
use a dating site to view profiles of people you couldn't meet otherwise and try to get in touch with them or sth
but computer driven matchmaking feels weird
 
Dude
It's mathematics
 
this must be some kind of progress I'm not keeping up with
 
9:50 PM
It Werks™
 
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I love getting Matchmade.
 
@AlexM. Yes, and waddle in the millions of profiles of people that wouldn't marry their computers. Such a waste of your time.
 
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I go in Solo Queue and then Matchmaking gives me a Teammate.
 
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Because that's proven to work great in League, HoN, Dota, and every other computer-based match-making game.
 
I go in Solo Queue and the computer gives me five opponents and no teammate
 
9:51 PM
Whoever invented infinite scrolling webpages should be shot
 
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I want to make an okCUpid ad for League of Legends.
 
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With some typical lane partners.
 
So, the very hard demonstration in Will Hunting is actually an adjacency matrix exercise
 
@ThePhD oh you do play LoL
 
I go in solo queue and matchmaking gives me fucking idiots who don't want to be assisted
 
9:52 PM
^
 
the matchmaker cannot readily tell between "Can't play as a team; therefore loses" and "Can't play his character; therefore loses".
 
last time I had to work extra because my idiot teammate was running away from me
 
ITT kbok has acquired the "Mr." predicate
 
I'm playing Dazzle you retard, let me heal you
 
it's like evolution, all it can tell is "Loses" or "Wins".
 
9:53 PM
They didn't put an actual proof there, but they still bothered to put four actual math questions
 
then he dies and he's like "why didn't you kill that guy"
WAT
 
@sehe It's an operator, fool
 
You're Miss guided.
 
@Mr.kbok An operator, you say?
 
void operator Mr.(const kbok_t &);
 
9:54 PM
I think I play good assist
one time I gladly committed suicide for our team's victory
best dota match I had
I should play again
 
I just won 16/2 with Queer of Pain
 
People often commit suicide after playing LoL too
 
I tried to play LoL but I was not able to find a courier
and I was placed in this bot match queue
and I had to play like N matches to actually begin playing with real people
why could I not opt out of that
 
Omg, N?
 
where N >= 6
 
9:57 PM
LoL players are not real people, that's why
 
I don't remember exactly
I don't want to play 6 matches with bots, I want to join an online match with noobs of my level and get my ass kicked
 
I agree, that's a bit weird
 
They were just saving you from that community
 
lol
 
"Go away while it's still time"
 
9:58 PM
If you don't get the hint after 6 games, hell breaks loose
I'm having fun circumventing Django ORM to inject fake non-DB-based models
FUN
 
I'm looking at Rust
Not sure what to think
 
speaking of community, I just remembered about this guy I played with once
so like his username was DjDarK or something
 
And actually I'm doing everything wrong
 
What else is new
 
and in the middle of the fucking match he started PLAYING MUSIC on the microphone
going like "woooooo DJ DARK"
I was trying to understand what was happening but all I could hear was Tiesto
 
10:00 PM
sarcastic sehe
tiesto is still a thing?
 
I'm having a hard time thinking about how Rust is a serious alternative to C++
 
:lol: you know a good login page when tab order is username -> some link to some shit
 
@AlexM. cool story bro
 
@Mr.kbok I haven't seen any serious benchmarks yet but the strong lifetime guarantees seem very nice
 
~benchmarks~
 
10:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus you know you're trigger happy when you hit random links without checking
 
I'm not, it broke KeePass autotype
 
language benchmarks aren't serious
 
@CatPlusPlus ~benchmarks~ would at least help see if the language can compete with C++
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I guess
 
"LOOK ADDING INTEGERS IN JAVA IS NOT SLOW THIS IS TOTALLY A USE CASE"
 
10:04 PM
For a language who boasts on being "efficient" benchmarks are quite relevant
 
Versioning unstructured data is so much easier than dealing with foreign keys and m2m shit
 
When someone claims it runs blazingly fast, they better prove it
 
I do run blazingly fast
Never missed a bus
2
 
@CatPlusPlus you applied it in inappropriate situations. That's a nice attack vector though, if you can make the link accept the password, then hide it
 
10:06 PM
I'm tempted to really just put all that stupid data as JSON field on the relevant table
 
@Mr.kbok What site?
 
@sehe "Login page" is not "inappropriate situation". Besides that tab ordering is broken either way
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes My youtube is broken. I don't know why.
@Rapptz Site? What?
 
It should be username -> password -> submit, everything else is retarded
 
@CatPlusPlus depends on the relative position and relationship with the input controls
 
10:07 PM
No
 
It's just sloppy
 
@CatPlusPlus You can't deny that it does depend.
 
Nnnno
 
You can argue that there's strong reason to never deviate, but that's a different point.
 
@Mr.kbok Oh oops. I meant for @CatPlusPlus
 
10:08 PM
Bonusly
It's incompetent UX and nothing depends on anything
 
I'm so used to auto-type. I'm not sure there's a keyboard shortcut to just type the password.
 
I let my browser remember everything :\
 
I know double clicking it puts it on the clipboard for 12s
 
my current remembered passwords are months if not years old
 
Ctrl+C copies password, Ctrl+B copies username
 
10:10 PM
that's just clipboard though
 
@CatPlusPlus :D No absolutes. Not ever!
 
You can change autotype sequence
@sehe Feel free to present a justified case for broken tab ordering
Hm, maybe this versioning thing I started will work after all
 
I'm happy to let you have your broken argument instead :) I get your non-broken point regardless
 
I'm just allergic to "Nothing ever depends on anything" type of reasoning.
Sorry. You can just keep it.
 
10:13 PM
w/e
 
I'm not even disagreeing.
 
How do you accept a comment as an answer in SO ? Because in new interface of SO there is no OK check sign anymore near the comments. — Sonya Blade May 11 at 14:50
 
lol
 
Hm, some relations can be saved and reconstructed from the revision but there are also related objects that are primary content
Well I hope PKs never change I guess
Or maybe I should generate an UUID for every object too
But then again this won't change much if the thing gets deleted and readded/reimported
 
They're towing cars outside right now
it's 0:20 FFS
 
10:19 PM
towing at night makes a bit of sense, depending on the traffic during the day
 
what, they're making room for the rats to sleep
(the cars were parked)
 
> (the cars were parked)
no shit
 
They tow a lot of cars that are not technically parked around here :)
 
GIFBIN
 
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Q: How are web api tasks that require external work stored persistently?

user3272280Say you provide an API method that requires external work to be done, like manual processing by someone, or user confirmation by email. Hours or even days might pass until that work is done and the method can continue its work. How do you store the call graph of such a method and the data in a pe...

bah
the first time I actually wanted to know the answer to one of these too broad questions, is the first time no cheeky fuckwit has answered it
@Mr.kbok what, so they tow cars while people are driving them?
 
10:31 PM
task/correlation id. like in message queuing
 
@SonyaBlade: There was never an ability to "accept a comment as an answer", and there was no "OK check sign" "near the comments" in any iteration of the SO interface. — Lightness Races in Orbit 20 secs ago
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Maybe they should
 
@sehe well I get that; I've done it myself enough times. But it's one of those times I'm kinda curious to pick up any tips on how to improve my usual implementation
 
What I meant was, people just leave their cars lying around on the street so "parked" is not an accurate description of the state of the car
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit responding to messages of years old?
 
10:33 PM
the question includes all the sort of factors I'd consider, so it interests me and the OP seems reasonable/decent
shame it's off topic
@sehe If two months = "years", sure
Note "May 11", not "May xx, '11"
It should say "11th May", stupid Yanks
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ah, I misread the 11 as '11, indeed
 
it should say "May 11th" not "May 11"
 
@Rapptz it should say "11th May"
days of the month aren't monarchs. William the Conqueror. Edward the Confessor. Henry VIII. [A day in] May (the 11th).
 
Merkins still haven't figured out just how dumb month-day-year is
 
A colleague of mine said it was more handy when sorting files by name in Explorer
 
10:38 PM
year-month-day works best for sorting
 
@CatPlusPlus err...
 
Because day-month-year doesn't work, you know
 
@Mr.kbok Yeah, May 2013, May 2014, June 2013, June 2014 is the best sorting order.
 
year month day is ISO standard
 
So month-day-year is obviously the best solutions of all
No alternative exists
 
10:39 PM
:lol:
 
I don't care about date format
Canada doesn't either considering they use all 3.
 
Still dumb
 
And it doesn't even depend
 
10:55 PM
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> PI MODEL B+ & 8GB NOOBS
 
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NOOBS is a very good 8 GB model.
 
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Represents the amount of naivete.
 
goodnight, ladies
 
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Goodnight, manly hunk of handsome man ♥
 
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11:16 PM
@Rapptz Do you think it would be possible to support multi-get with operator[] ?
 
@sehe did you try the sample?
 
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Like...
 
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std::tuple<int, int> arf = lua[{ "Woof", "Bark" }];
 
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Ooh, we could take a std::initializer_list<std::string> of keys!
 
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@Rapptz I forgot if we support non-string keys?
 
11:29 PM
 
@ThePhD Hmm turns out it has more usb ports and more GPIO but its the same proc. I was hoping for something a little bit stronger
 
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@Borgleader Get a beagle board.
 
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Status -> plural Statuses?
 
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I kinda wanna say Statii to sound cool. :D
 
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What's a linQ query to glue together 2 lists?
 
11:38 PM
var both = list1.Concat(list2);
or list1.AddRange(list2)
 
where the dragon?
:P
 
nice pic, feels like the guy holding the camera is considered food
 
Toggl sends me an email about a timer still running
I KNOW IM STILL WORKING ON THAT
 
It is getting late, leave it for tomorrow.
 
Are iterators guaranteed not to compare equal to null?
 
11:45 PM
Deadline was last Friday so fuck thaaat
 
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@chris Wat.
 
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An iterator isn't a pointer, so no?
 
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Unless some psycho writes a compare op for that.
 
@ThePhD Actually, yeah, I'm being dumb. This won't even compile.
 
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I want variadic typesafe printf with formatting.
 
11:49 PM
F# has typed printf
 
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And I want the formatting to be compile-time composed.
 
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Not run-time composed.
 
@ThePhD Alexandrescu did that already IIRC theres a video of it somewhere
 
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@Borgleader It's compile-time?
 
@ThePhD Why
 
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11:53 PM
@CatPlusPlus For the hell of it.
 
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I can write the runtime version wrapped around the compile-time version.
 
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I already have an idea as to how I'll do it.
 
its somewhere in here
dunno about compile time
 
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If it's just variadic printf that's ezpz
 
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11:54 PM
I want.... more.
 
@Borgleader Look at his evil grin. You can tell he's up to something in this presentation.
 
@ThePhD dunno what that means, here is an F# sample:
type Person =
    { Name : string
      Age : int }
    override x.ToString() = sprintf "name: %s age: %d" x.Name x.Age
A class with two properties and tostring overridden, nice thing is that structural equality is implemented by the compiler
 
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= sprintf?
 
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That looks horrifically unsafe.
 
no idea I don't know the language :)
 
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11:59 PM
What if I replace %d with %s ? What happens then?
 
squiggly and compiler error
 

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