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5:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Isn't Trillium that ore that protected you from the disturbances in Enterprise.. S3 I want to say?
 
Dunno if anyone except Amazon has GPU instances readily available really
 
@Puppy Trellium :D
 
Internet says something about Rackspace, but I can't find anything on their page ever
 
hmm, close enough.
 
this seems to be a different Trillium band actually. than the one I love. but I still like this track
 
5:02 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae Cloud is a really specific thing
Gotta design for it
 
Unless this is your blog, you should give credit where its due. — Borgleader 15 secs ago
 
One of our clients really wanted to move their app into the cloud, despite that it was really shaky one-server thing
So we moved it, and it turned out to be like 1000x slower due to being really I/O heavy
And the instance was generally way crappier than the dedicated machine it was on earlier
 
@Borgleader Link's in the answer
 
Getting good I/O from the cloud is p expensive it turns out :v
 
@chris oh my, i totally missed it
whoops
 
5:05 PM
My use case is more of heavy number crunching with occasional I/O
 
Those GPU instances are probably optimised for that yeah
@Borgleader :lol: people are terrible. Question "how to change this thing" answer "here's this thing, now you ONLY NEED TO FIND OUT HOW TO CHANGE IT"
 
@ParkYoung-Bae What is that? Nethack?
 
Guild Wars 2
 
user1804599
@AlexM. I should get a new haircut too.
 
user1804599
5:18 PM
I have a nice one in mind, but people would laugh at me.
 
hmm
I always get average haircuts, I'm not exactly into more special stuff
I just sit on the chair and tell the barber "same shape just shorter."
 
user1804599
It’s not very special. But it’s feminine. ;_;
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus what do you mean by “the cloud?”
 
@rightfold someone else's servers, of course
 
user1804599
@SamDeHaan Like the puny VPS I’m running?
 
user1804599
5:21 PM
At work we host on Rackspace Butt Server.
 
user1804599
Have had 100% uptime for almost two years now.
 
user1804599
Even though the 100% uptime is only really needed in December, lol.
 
@rightfold well
ain't going to sugarcoat it
but depending on the relationship you want with those people and what you expect of them
it may be better to act against your inner... uhh
 
user1804599
A business relationship.
 
feelings
 
user1804599
5:24 PM
If my friends don’t accept me that way they can get cancer.
 
Get a bowl mullet
 
user1804599
But I don’t want to lose my job or anything.
 
user1804599
That’d be bad.
 
@rightfold The butt
It was Azure
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Which service advertised as “the butt?”
 
5:25 PM
I'd rather be a homosexual that hides his true self but with a lot of money rather than an open homosexual wondering why his opportunities are limited
 
user1804599
PaaS?
 
but ofc that's just me
 
@rightfold AWS
 
I kinda like money
 
user1804599
@AlexM. If you have a lot of money there’s no need to hide anything.
 
5:25 PM
no no no
if you have a lot of money you can hide it best
you can hire decoy partners
 
user1804599
If you have a lot of money you can kill innocent people and get away with it.
 
to hide your sexual orientation
I think there was this famous pop star that used a decoy partner to hide the fact that he was gay
 
user1804599
@AlexM. It would not be fun to live like that.
 
then near his career's end he was like
"trolol I'm actually gay, joke's on you"
 
@AlexM. damn that sounds like a plan
 
user1804599
5:27 PM
@CatPlusPlus Never used it, but I heard S3 is nice.
 
Ell
@AlexM. me too
 
@rightfold Storage is p cheap, but bandwidth can get expensive
Well that's the story with anything butt
 
wut
 
well you have two options
come back after getting drunk as if you enjoyed a night out
or try to escape then get caught again to make your situation worse
I'd go with #1
 
5:37 PM
@AlexM. All they wanted was to get some booze.
 
yeah
it's inhumane to not give inmates booze
 
Ell
it's inhumane to lock anyone up
 
actually, every human on this planet should have a fixed number of beer cans per week for free
it should be in the human rights declaration
 
Ell
Human rights are silly :L
 
@Ell That's not how it works.
When someone does not want to follow the rules of a society, you kick them out of that society.
 
5:39 PM
@Ell Life in society is a contract. A contract is two way.
 
Ell
It's inhumane to lock them up when they don't want to be locked up
they should choose to go to prison
 
Yes that makes perfect sense
 
well
 
@Ell We're not doing it for them. We're doing it for everyone else.
 
Yeah I'm sure everyone will
 
user1804599
5:40 PM
ell
 
a guy who killed someone was recently released
then two days later he killed his aunt, cousin and a neighbor
 
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@Ell Let them choose between prison and being tested new medicine on.
 
now he'll sit behind bars for the rest of his life
 
Ell
C'mon guys give it a chance at least? youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o
 
why waste money on his ass?
I'd say kill him
 
5:41 PM
@Ell Oh, anarchism.
 
he's clearly beyond any hope
 
There was that one person who was supposed to be in jail for 19 years or something
But then they forgot to put him in
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah. But meh I'm still unsure about it
 
And found out when he was supposed to get out
 
Anarchism only works if everyone follows the rules, without an authority to enforce them. In a perfect anarchist society, you wouldn't need prisons.
 
Ell
5:42 PM
I'm ancap/libertarian at different times :L
 
Prisons are an imperfect solution to a real problem: what happens when someone doesn't want to follow the rules?
 
My bad, 13 years.
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel In a perfect one yeah - but in an imperfect one, you can still have prisons in an anarchist society
 
@Ell And who choses who gets in?
 
I thought "anarchy or lolbertarianism" and lo and behold lolbertarianism it is
 
Ell
5:43 PM
@EtiennedeMartel The criminal. If he wants to be protected from being killed by the rest of the society after he just killed someone, he will go to a prison right?
Unless he wants to die, in which case, let him be killed
 
@Ell Prisons are not there to protect the criminal.
 
The only people who want anarchy are people who don't understand anarchy
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel in an ancap society they are
 
@Ell Also, popular justice is a bad idea.
 
@EtiennedeMartel his world is definitely upside-down too though
 
Ell
5:44 PM
Really, the video explains it all
 
So, wait. The rest of the society wants to kill him?
 
Ell
it is 25 minutes though
 
What if he's innocent?
Who checks that?
 
there is no innocence in anarchy
 
Do everyone vote on his fate?
 
5:44 PM
only public opinion
 
Ell
his rights enforcer
or if it goes to a court, a jury
 
So it's a democracy?
 
that is not a democracy
 
Ell
Or however your particular rights enforcement agency wants to deal with it
Choose one which you like :3
 
that sounds overly complicated
 
5:45 PM
@Ell Ah, right, free market.
So, does that mean that those with the most money get better rights?
 
@EtiennedeMartel anarchists are not very good at following the rules
 
If I'm richer, can I just kill whoever I want and hire better bodyguards?
 
I think the way we do things right now + death penalty for severe crimes is the best way to go
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel That is a problem that can exist in any society
 
the money we save by not wasting them on lifetime prison punishments can go to education or whatever else needs more money
 
Ell
5:46 PM
Also, net of trust
 
@Ell Not if you have a decent judicial system.
 
Ell
you're not going to pay for a service from a company known for accepting bribes
 
You must love buttcoins
 
The average human is of average intelligence
 
@AlexM. Actually, it's more expensive to execute someone than to throw him in prison for life.
 
5:47 PM
And that's not much
 
@EtiennedeMartel not if his family pays for the bullet
 
@EtiennedeMartel I didn't know that.
 
oh hey
 
@EtiennedeMartel [citation needed]
 
that Microsoft Powerpoint guy literally just joined my game of CS:GO.
 
5:48 PM
@AlexM. Execution isn't just the price of the bullet. It's also everything else around to make sure you're not killing an innocent.
 
was that somebody in here?
 
also how can killing someone be more expensive than daily food
 
what nonsense
 
electricity in his room
 
52 secs ago, by Etienne de Martel
@AlexM. Actually, it's more expensive to execute someone than to throw him in prison for life.
 
5:48 PM
etc. etc.
 
@EtiennedeMartel they do that in normal prison sentences too...
 
@ParkYoung-Bae [citation needed]
 
1 min ago, by Etienne de Martel
@AlexM. Actually, it's more expensive to execute someone than to throw him in prison for life.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae [citation inadequate]
 
5:49 PM
> So I want to imagine a society,
> where individuals hire private firms to protect their rights
> and settle their disputes with other individuals.
> The same way we hire private firm to ensure us against auto accidents for example.
> So I pay some annual sum to one of a variety of different firms,
> each of which sells the service
> of making sure, as best it can, that I don't get robbed or murdered.
> And that if I have a dispute with somebody else, it gets settled
> in some reasonable and peaceful way.
P sure that's what we call 'mafia'
 
except the last line
 
Well yeah
 
@SamDeHaan Read on.
Maybe it's just in the US, but still.
 
meh
 
It gets better though
 
user3010322
5:50 PM
The reason the death penalty is expensive is because the US is "humane" about it.
 
we had a ruler a long time ago here in Romania
he just thrusted a huge wooden rod up any criminal's ass whenever they'd show up
cheap and effective
 
@EtiennedeMartel I can't read that; fucking mickey mouse 24pt text
 
So we will imagine, that I'm the customer of one rights enforcement agency, you're the customer of another another. One day I come home and I find my television set is missing,
I call up my rights enforcement agency and they also notice the door has been broken open. They prudently had installed a little video camera in my living room to try to monitor anybody who stole things from me, and that camera shows a picture of you walking out my door, with my television, or at least they're pretty sure it's you. So my agency gets in touch with you and says: "Would you please give our customer Mr.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Check this.
 
:laffo:
 
5:51 PM
@ThePhD yeah lol
 
user3010322
Plus, there's the psychology behind having someone who's job it is to kill people, so they go through all these hoops to make sure that there's doubt cast on who actually performed the execution (having blank rounds, having two people push the injection button and letting the computer decide which 'button' did the killing).
 
spending so much money to be humane towards someone who chose not to be
 
@CatPlusPlus installing CCTV in every home sounds cheap
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus It doesn't really end there.
 
is like putting that guy first, before everyone else
 
5:52 PM
@Ell Oh that it doesn't
 
Ell
In a good way :p
 
user3010322
If it was just shoot people and throw in ditch, Death Penalty would be cheap as bread crumbs.
 
@AlexM. eye for an eye now? someone is inhumane and that's worth being put to death, but being inhumane back to them is okay?
 
@AlexM. It's not always that simple.
 
@ThePhD You'd also continually execute innocent people.
 
5:52 PM
that causes wars
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes, when the expenses could be avoided to the rest of the world's benefit
 
the cost of the death penalty isn't in the execution, its in the incessant appeals and such.
 
@AlexM. that's an incredibly dangerous position
@Puppy that makes more sense
 
if you throw someone in jail for life, after a while they quit costing you money through the legal system.
 
user3010322
The appeals happen whether its life in prison or Death Penalty, regardless.
 
5:53 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I dunno, I keep having that guy I mentioned earlier in mind
 
that's not true.
 
@Puppy whereas if someone's on death row then they wrangle you for the rest of their lives!
 
:lol: "I don't think that's going to happen"
 
if you're in Death Row in the US, you're legally entitled to considerably more process than life imprisonment.
 
Because people work so nicely together all the time
 
5:53 PM
does anyone know of a good service or program to make a diagram of a database model?
 
Paint.NET
 
@Crow Dia
 
Notepad
 
but it's not that advanced
 
5:54 PM
you might want to just try MySQL Workbench
 
Or some online diagram tools
 
my database model is very very simple, really. Small scale app
 
for example you can't mark primary and foreign keys differently in Dia
 
If it's not webscale then you can use paint
 
I used to mark foreign keys as primary keys just to make them stand out
 
5:55 PM
ERWIN Data Modeller maybe
 
really though, if you don't mind the bigger package size, MySQL workbench is probably the best tool out there imo
 
user3010322
@Puppy Then fixing that would be as simple as entitling someone on the death penalty the same amount of pleading time as someone not on the death penalty (i.e., life in prison without parole).
 
it would be cool if there was a tool that read my db models file and constructed a basic one for you... the database model is pretty obvious in SQLAlchemy
 
yeah mysql is good because once the model is made you dont have to forward cheme
its alredy an empty database
 
@ThePhD So in other words, we lower the cost by executing more innocent people. Nice.
 
5:56 PM
@AlexM. YAY BALLS OF MUD
 
@Crow IIRC mysql workbench generates SQL statements according to your models
or vice-versa, fuck if I know
the databases I work with are so simple I just plug in the SQL code
 
user3010322
@Puppy No, the majority of the heavier costs can be thrown out by not being so humane with the performing of the execution. "Executing more innocent people" is nowhere near "somebody spent 15 years putting in appeals against the Death Penalty."
 
Okay that's enough of the drivel my brain can take
 
@ThePhD The actual execution costs nothing. It's the legal process that's expensive.
and the reason they have so many appeals is to avoid executing innocent people.
if you cut appeals, you execute more innocent people.
they still estimate that 4% of executees were innocent.
 

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