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7:00 PM
@Puppy 8
 
ok
 
Or 4 with HT don't remember
Yeah 4+HT
i7-4770
 
does ht give a measurable difference?
 
cheers
 
What's HT?
 
7:02 PM
@JohanLarsson depends on load
 
Hyperthreading
 
hyper threading I think
 
user1804599
Haskell Template
 
if you have very floating point heavy loads no
 
user1804599
Hormone therapy.
 
7:02 PM
if they are mixed where one thread is FP heavy the other integer heavy it can be
 
user1804599
@UnitFact The imaginary unit.
 
@CatPlusPlus Bless you.
Sounds like a buzzword.
 
user1804599
Do you guys have PHBs?
 
My boss is bald
That's why he's always the first test subject for new headset designs.
 
Exponent notation just became a problem. — Lightness Races in Orbit 5 secs ago
 
7:08 PM
@Jefffrey It's Intel's tech name, so yeah
 
user1804599
Horrible music.
 
o I thought you were a k-fag too
 
user1804599
The girls are nice but the music is almost as bad as Frans Duijts’.
 
user1804599
I want Swedish balls.
 
터치 마이 바디
 
7:14 PM
Ugh why does Visual Studio bind itself to JSON files
It's not even good at them
 
Because it can edit JavaScript therefore it must edit all things related
 
Why does Visual Studio bind itself to anything?
 
wtb no extension associations whatsoever
 
Except the solution and project files
 
wts unix
 
7:15 PM
I have a float, and I want to specify a maximum precision (the actual precision of the type), and I don't want scientific notation, and I don't want trailing zeroes. Halp
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Defuckinglicious.
 
you're a crazy fre... are those Ikea meatballs?
 
-1 not enough meat
 
@rightfold lingon?
 
7:17 PM
Ikea food is surprisingly okay
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson Zweedse ballen jonge!
 
user1804599
@ParkYoung-Bae Not surprising, given IKEA is Dutch.
 
Also why does association editor suck so much
Why can't I completely remove an entry
What the fuck MS
 
Ikea meatballs are fucking delicious.
 
@rightfold I thought it was Swedish
 
7:17 PM
Bork bork bork
 
fuck-ing-de-li-cious.
 
user1804599
IKEA HQ is in Leiden.
 
> IKEA (/aɪˈkiːə/; Swedish: [ɪˈkeːˈa][2]) is a Swedish company registered in the Netherlands
 
@rightfold looks pretty good
 
user1804599
@ParkYoung-Bae My father was born in Poland. Doesn’t make him non-Dutch.
 
7:19 PM
You never hate to edit configuration files on Windows! Except when you have to dig through barely documented registry!
 
There's an IKEA near my home too.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Good luck.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked let’s eat it together honey.
 
@rightfold That's a dumb argument
 
@rightfold it almost seems like you're arguing for corporate personhood
 
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7:20 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.
 
@rightfold <insert braille copypasta>
 
Ell
If you think ikea is dutch then HP sauce is dutch
 
(I can't find it)
 
Ell
(which it is :P)
 
The fuck is the XY problem?
 
7:22 PM
I forgot how good Durarara's second OP was.
 
447
Q: What is the XY problem?

GnomeWhat is the XY problem? When asking questions, how do I recognize when I'm falling into it? How do I avoid it? Return to FAQ index

 
@Jefffrey You've decided Y is your solution to problem X. You ask a question about implementing Y, when asking how to solve X would give you a better solution than Y.
 
user1804599
The XY problem is that I have an X and a Y chromosome instead of two X chromosomes in each cell.
 
@rightfold Ah, there i.imgur.com/kdfTkem.jpg
 
I farted, just for all of you keeping track, and I know my flatulence interests many of you.
 
7:23 PM
@Jefffrey how do you not know that?
 
user1804599
@ParkYoung-Bae Why is there Unicode braille.
 
@SamDeHaan "This is an XY problem" is incredibly frustrating when you're trying to use old questions/answers for info
 
@rightfold Why not? (also that's just . and :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I simply don't.
 
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7:24 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae OIC. :)
 
@rightfold But unicode braille does exist
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, it's a completely thorough and obvious explanation of the issues at hand, duh.
 
user1804599
@ParkYoung-Bae I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!1
 
⠠⠊⠄⠍ ⠃⠇⠊⠝⠙ ⠽⠕⠥ ⠋⠁⠛⠛⠕⠞
 
Cool, I'm going to use Braille for everything now.
Except that all I see are squares.
Great.
Not worth the effort.
 
7:25 PM
@rightfold To represent Braille writings.
 
#woah
 
user1804599
@ParkYoung-Bae :v
 
Ell
I see em
 
yellow
 
@chris bahahaha your setup sucks. What font are you using?
 
user1804599
7:27 PM
 
> That is, ⠠⠁ is read as capital 'A', and ⠼⠁ as the digit '1'.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Hooray I can still read. Now the question is what use is that...
 
@chris You have to touch the screen to read it
 
Additionally, Braille is not a language-independent encoding.
 
7:27 PM
@rightfold Not really my kind of music
 
2 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@rightfold To represent Braille writings.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It is if you don't use the "shortcuts", IIRC
 
Yeah, I wondered how Japanese Braille worked. So many syllabatries. And then I looked and was slightly disappointed.
 
Fuck, Google translate can't read Braille?
 
Yes, if you ignore the language-dependent bits, it's language-independent.
 
7:28 PM
@rubenvb No idea. Got any suggestions?
 
Each language has a set of symbols that can be mapped to "most used" syllables or group of letters.
 
@chris Uh, any TTF font should do really... How about Bitstream Vera?
I think that's what I needed to install to get github off of monospace
 
I've learned braille once, because boredom.
 
Anyway, for that reason, Unicode encodes Braille patterns, not letters.
 
There was a doggerel to remember the reasoning behind the symbols.
 
7:31 PM
BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-1, not BRAILLE LETTER A.
 
I learned Braille because of Pokemon.
 
-1 for answering "questions" like this and thereby encouraging their posting in the future. — Lightness Races in Orbit 10 secs ago
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit says repwhore #1
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit meh
I don't think there is anything wrong with that
 
@rightfold not really these days
@Ell are you actually serious
 
7:34 PM
So I was apparently using Times New Roman
 
@rubenvb that's because you can't mix printf and wprintf on the same stream - once a stream is oriented as either wide character or not, it can't be changed — Drew McGowen 10 mins ago
 
Ell
you're supposed to vote for the answer right?
It's the question that's wrong
 
And now I'm either using Bitstream Vera or I need to restart something
 
This is a first.
Is that true?
 
user1804599
You can vote for whatever you want.
 
7:35 PM
Exponent notation just became a problem. — Lightness Races in Orbit 27 mins ago
lol
 
@chris Same.
 
@chris Hint the font in browser settings is default font for unstyled pages, it does not affect this one at all
hth
 
@chris I actually wonder how the Japanese version handled it. Since the braille is clearly spelling out English words.
 
user1804599
Japanese braille!
 
Chat picks Verdana, IIRC.
 
7:36 PM
What you need to see symbols is have font like Symbola installed and also not use Chrome
 
Apparently I wasn't logged in
 
> font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
 
user1804599
I use Chrome and the symbols work fine.
 
user1804599
You just suck.
 
@rightfold Same.
 
7:37 PM
They finally managed to implement font fallback????????????????
 
Still not a valid reason to use Chrome
 
WOAH
I don't believe it
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Nah, sans-serif on my machine probably just includes the symbols.
 
:lol:
 
user1804599
Emoji don’t work.
 
user1804599
7:38 PM
They require a different font.
 
Imma check
💩
 
user1804599
Square.
 
Nope
 
user1804599
Looks fine if I copy and paste in omnibox.
 
Chrome confirmed to be still shit at rendering fonts
 
7:39 PM
@Ell Oh, that. Yeah but he really shouldn't be answering it.
 
user1804599
And in tabs.
 
user1804599
It’s only wrong in the actual page.
 
💩💩💩
 
I.e. where it matters
 
> Woman Discovers Sex Toy Had Been In Her Vagina For 10 Years
 
7:39 PM
@rightfold Yeah, because no fallback.
 
Ell
@ParkYoung-Bae oh lordy
 
user1804599
Chrome is a 💩.
 
I can picture that emoji with my mind.
 
@̮̘̮̜̤͓͓̓ͪ̓͆͗̑Ell̾̅̆ͦ̃ͨ lol
 
user1881400
Hey everybody, I'm new to C++ and it's fairly lower-level than other languages that I'm used to. Why do many resources seem to shun casting and call it dangerous (C++ Primer, cprogramming.com, a bunch of others) when high-level languages don't advise against casting?
 
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7:41 PM
That’s linear, not exponential.
 
Does Opera have these problems now that it uses Chrome's guts?
 
user1804599
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... cprogramming.com is terrible and must be avoided.
 
Shut up already
 
Just doin' my job.
 
Pfffff
 
7:42 PM
@EtiennedeMartel thank you
 
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... They should do. If you have the wrong type, you're better off figuring out why you have the wrong type, than forcing your program to pretend you had the right type.
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... Higher-level languages often have dynamic typing, though, so you're liable to (a) care less, and (b) fucking have to do this shit once in a while
Even in C++ you can't/don't want to avoid casts totally.
 
Not really
You convert when you want to convert
 
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... also C++ has templates, C has casting. C++ purists tend to shy away from the preprocessor in favor of the template processor (i.e. the compiler)
 
No more no less
 
user1881400
@rightfold yeah, I don't use it, I was just looking for examples. C++ Primer was listed under recommended from SO, though. @lightning that's sort of what I thought, thanks.
 
7:43 PM
@JoshPetitt Eh? What does the preprocessor have to do with explicit conversions?
 
@JoshPetitt Casting is in no way related to templates
 
> @lightning
 
user1804599
@JoshPetitt You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
 
> Etienne de Martel has invited you to join Trash can. See your invitations.
What a kind attention
 
yes, sorry, casting doesn't do with preprocessor, but another <evil> thing
 
7:43 PM
@CatPlusPlus Fascinating insight.
 
sorry
 
@JoshPetitt It's not "evil".
 
C casting is evil.
 
user1804599
C is evil and C++ is evil.
 
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... You got my name wrong
 
7:44 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit At least it's correct, unlike what you said :v
 
@CatPlusPlus What I said was perfectly correct.
 
user1881400
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sorry
 
@rightfold Modern processors have CLUs. Cast Logical Units.
 
user1804599
C Language Uttershit
 
7:45 PM
so I feel like that went well
 
@ParkYoung-Bae They are cast? I thought photolithography and vacuum deposition.
 
Holy christ you are good at markdown.
 
user1804599
Messi is pretty much a mutt.
 
@MartinJames Yes it's heavily inspired by the indian system
 
7:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Gee, what the fuck is wrong with these people.
 
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... the one time you probably want to cast is when you care about serializing objects. But then you probably want to use a library for that. C used the pattern of passing in a base pointer to a structure, then down casting to a more specific type. This is/was quite common way of simulating inheritance. However, C++ has better mechanisms for this.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae lol
 
Pay me that much and I can assure you I won't evade taxes.
 
1. No correlation between high-level and dynamic typing. Highest level languages tend to have static type systems.
2. Dynamic typing does not mean not caring about types or conversions.
3. The need to convert does not change between dynamic and static type systems.
4. You suck.
 
user1804599
Serialisation can be perfectly done without casting.
 
7:47 PM
hth
 
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... There are many types of casts. Which ones are you referring to?
 
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@CatPlusPlus Downcasting isn’t needed in dynamically-typed languages.
 
Urinary casts are cylindrical structures produced by the kidney and present in the urine in certain disease states. They form in the distal convoluted tubule and collecting ducts of nephrons, then dislodge and pass into the urine, where they can be detected by microscopy. They form via precipitation of Tamm-Horsfall mucoprotein which is secreted by renal tubule cells, and sometimes also by albumin in conditions of proteinuria. Cast formation is pronounced in environments favoring protein denaturation and precipitation (low flow, concentrated salts, low pH). Tamm-Horsfall protein is particularly...
 
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@JoshPetitt alright, thanks. I knew that casting was usually avoidable if you knew what you were doing in the first place, but there's always a time and place for it. @milleniumbug all casting. The websites a visited and C++ primer say it's best to avoid casting.
 
@rightfold So?
 
7:48 PM
To be fair, Windows likes making you cast things.
Shoving a function pointer into a LONG_PTR.
 
If you ever need downcasting you're doing something wrong probably anyway
 
user1804599
So the need to cast is less in dynamic typing than in static typing.
 
I too like shoving my LONG_PTR into stuff
 
user1804599
Downcasting is suck.
 
user1804599
I like pattern matching.
 
7:49 PM
Like your mom.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Like beehives.
 
user1881400
@CatPlusPlus erm, no, not that kind of cast.
 
no shit
 
@Jefffrey It's urinary.
 
lol
 
7:50 PM
In angling, casting is the act of throwing bait or a lure using a fishing line out over the water using a flexible fishing rod. The usual technique is for the angler to quickly flick the rod from behind toward the water. The term may also be used for setting out a net. There are several techniques anglers use to attempt to cast further, the most prominent of which is the shifting of body weight towards the front foot in correlation to the forward movement of the rod. That combined with stopping the fishing rod at 45 degree's and using the correct fishing tackle will help anglers cast further. ...
Wait, this is a sport?
 
user1881400
Alright, I give up
 
@chris My dad's world champ. (No joke)
 
Go away @Etienne
 
user1881400
Okay, I'm just morbidly curious, but does anybody use reinterpret_cast
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Non.
 
7:50 PM
> morbidly
> reinterpret_cast
Fine wording
 
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... For winapi stuff and that's about it.
 
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... In exceptional cases.
 
I veto your nick
 
Except I haven't done winapi stuff for a while now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know, right? They have money and they don't want to find ways to pay the maximum amount of it in tax, the way we all do. Tossers.
 
7:51 PM
Particularly the "..."
 
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... Only people that made very bad choices in their life.
2
 
user1804599
reinterpret_cats
 
user1881400
@chris alright. I've been reading about it and it's supposed to be machine-dependent and not very safe, that's why I was curious when it would become useful.
 
Cats have only one interpretation
 
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... Very rarely
 
7:52 PM
ITT: reinterpret_cast is worse than drugs.
 
@Stopforgettingmyaccounts... it's easy to violate aliasing rules with it
 
AFAIK, reinterpret_cast is the same as the old cast syntax (ThisIsMyNewCastedType)?
 
No wonder something felt wrong when I was using PHP.
 
@JoshPetitt no
 
PHP is like the C preprocessor of Javascript.
 
7:54 PM
ah, thx
 
reinterpret_cast doesn't do const.
 
@JoshPetitt Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike it.
 
And other differences.
 
5
Q: Reinterpret_cast vs. C-style cast

NormanI hear that reinterpret_cast is implementation defined i don't know what does that really mean. Can you provide an example how can it go wrong? If it does go wrong, then is it better to use C-Style cast?

 
@chris reinterpret_cast doesn't do most things.
 
7:55 PM
721
Q: When should static_cast, dynamic_cast, const_cast and reinterpret_cast be used?

e.JamesWhat are the proper uses of: static_cast dynamic_cast const_cast reinterpret_cast C-style cast (type)value Function-style cast type(value) and how does one decide which one to use in a specific case?

 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit, cool thanks
 
C-style casts are the ones that do the most; reinterpret_cast is the one that does the least.
 
zing 1000
I should get a badge for upvoting that to 1000
 
You mean 998?
 
Well, I just removed my vote and voted it up again to 1000.
 
7:56 PM
Nope, still says 998 here.
 
How long is the vote change window?
Asking for a friend.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think const_cast does less than reinterpret_cast.
 
"Say, hypothetically, a friend of mine wanted to fuck about with SO votes, ..."
 
7:57 PM
"It can therefore be used as a replacement for other casts in some instances, but can be extremely dangerous because of the ability to devolve into a reinterpret_cast, and the latter should be preferred when explicit casting is needed, unless you are sure static_cast will succeed or reinterpret_cast will fail. Even then, consider the longer, more explicit option."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Your friend should not have unprotected sex. Period.
 
@StackedCrooked const_cast works on all pointer types.
 
@StackedCrooked Depends on the interpretation. reinterpret_cast doesn't do anything itself, it just delegates work.
 
I think this was the cause of my confusion, thanks for the link
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey It’s difficult to protect things from your friends.
 
7:58 PM
reinterpret_cast also can cast long to pointer. (Not sure if portable though.)
 
@StackedCrooked As long as the pointer's big enough to hold a long and you cast it back, it'll be the same AFAIK.
 
user1804599
argh
 
user1804599
dad y u no f.lux
 
user1804599
my eyes
 
Everyone just looks at my screen and asks me why the colour is so weird.
 

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