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8:00 AM
how does that sound for you
 
@BartekBanachewicz So if they are not brandishing weapons, it must mean they want to fight.
 
listen I'm not trying to defend the police decision here, I think the shot was over the top
but the hooligans weren't completely saint either
 
@BartekBanachewicz Technically it wasn't because it shot him in the neck
 
They were apparently throwing dangerous shit before going in
 
@BartekBanachewicz I seem to agree.
 
8:00 AM
Riots is what's happening right now
 
Did he die
 
@BartekBanachewicz I see nothing riotlike there.
 
Yeh in a hospital
Apparently after that people started throwing molotov cocktails at police
 
time for another Baltimore riot: Poland Edition
 
Baileys is better
 
sbi
8:02 AM
Good morning.
 
morning
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah they stormed the hospital and police station
 
@CatPlusPlus That will burn the grass.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that was the day after
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That was at the hospital
 
8:03 AM
Storming a hospital is a brilliant idea
 
Twas a joke.
 
Well I guess there's grass there too
(Not anymore)
 
How far was it? 20 meters? I suspect even if the police aimed lower, the distance and the fact it was from a shot from standing position means the policeman simply could not get the aim precisely right.
 
@wilx Which makes the shot even less excusable.
 
maybe he shot up and it landed on him
 
8:05 AM
Maybe he used tabs
 
I don't think they shoot rubbers in the air
 
they don't have to, which is clearly dumb
 
Fuck those brainless football 'fans' anyway
4
 
pleonasm
 
@CatPlusPlus I agree, except I would never fuck them. :D
 
8:06 AM
@wilx he should aim at his feet then
 
The context of why police might have overreacted is like last X years of this nonsense
 
the bullet was supposed to slow him down and cause some pain, not kill him.
 
sbi
Has any of you Haskell++ aficionados seen this library? Is it worth to look at?
 
A dead body is fairly slow, objective reached.
 
8:07 AM
@CatPlusPlus you think you can take away ancient arena fights or medieval tournaments away just like that?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, he did not die on the spot. Maybe we should blame the ambulance for not getting there fast enough or the doctors for being incompetent? :)
 
I wouldn't be surprised if comparatively football stadiums have more security than airports around here
 
morning
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@R.MartinhoFernandes seriously, you don't "just walk" on the field where you are forbidden to enter, in the direction of the opposing team fans, shouting things like "I'm going to kill all of you"
 
@wilx No, he should blame the cop for overreacting and firing without having a clear shot (if we're working under your assumption that aiming was not easy).
 
8:09 AM
@sbi I wonder why you ask.
 
@TonyTheLion OH MY GOD TONY
 
@wilx that's not how it works, no
 
Welcome back!!!
 
@TonyTheLion hiiiiii
 
user1804599
@sbi skimmed it
 
8:09 AM
hiiii
 
@BartekBanachewicz I was joking. But what does not work that way? :)
 
@sbi From the description it sounds bad.
 
user1804599
It's better documented than Sol, but that still doesn't say anything.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Because our boss dropped that link on us and asked whether we would look at it. (We could use it for local tests, which we run on Windows.)
 
@sbi someone linked me to it but haven't had time to look in deeply
 
8:10 AM
@TonyTheLion How's life
 
@Cicada life's good. :)
 
Jan 24 at 12:06, by sbi
See, I am not trying to diminish the academic importance of Haskel. I am disputing your claim that it has any relevance in the industry.
SCNR
 
Its Monday and I don't have to work
what more could I want?
 
@sbi It seems to require C++14. Is that not an issue?
 
@TonyTheLion Cereals
 
sbi
8:11 AM
@StackedCrooked Not on Windows.
 
@Cicada yea those are pretty tempting
 
Well, I think the dude should not have died but I think he should have expected some danger from doing what he did or tried to do. I do not doubt he has prior experience with this kind of behaviour and how the Police reacts. If he was dumb enough to still engage in the way he did, well, tough luck.
 
@sbi right, on Windows there's Visual Studio
 
@TonyTheLion You on holiday or what
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz We use MinGW, though.
 
8:11 AM
@Cicada No. Its Bank Holiday here in the UK
 
Ah yes here too but you see I still work you fucker
 
@sbi Which one of the many distributions of it?
 
@wilx that's really two different things. The police still has to react appropriately. He was an adrenalin pumped idiot, but their work is to react properly in situations like that.
 
CBA working today
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz I still stand to this. In fact, that Haskell influences a C++ library kinda underlines my opinion on it: It has theoretical leverage and thus academic influence. Practical influence comes through other means. (Here, C++.)
 
8:13 AM
@BartekBanachewicz It is easy to say that in hindsight. It is not like they started a shooting spree. Were more than those shots fired?
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz I did, but as it seems, the doc is pretty bad
 
sbi
@wilx Frankly, I dunno what I installed. That was two years ago. Does one come with Eclipse? If so, then that's the one I have. ISTR installing updates, though.
 
@wilx Wait, what did the guy that was shot start? Besides running.
 
Well, I think the behaviour of the Police seems passable, plausible (?). Could have been better but they did not get of the rails completely or such.
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz What am I looking at?
 
8:15 AM
@sbi the topic of current conversation
 
@sbi "A riot"
 
@sbi hmpfh
@wilx do you really need to see more shots?
 
@wilx Well, the main problem is he's got shot in his neck, while that kind of weapon is supposed to only be fired at torso and legs or something.
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz I have looked at the video. Hools where running around, the police was standing at the side. At 0:17 hools ran around more. Then ran back. So what am I overlooking?
 
@sbi the guy was shot dead.
 
8:16 AM
@BartekBanachewicz No. Probably not.
 
But other than that "little" problem, methinks that the police reacted properly.
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, did someone drop? I hadn't seen this.
 
@sbi One of those running back was shot with rubber ammunition and later died in the hospital.
 
@sbi Yeah, and hooligans were throwing things at people trying to help the shot guy.
 
You can see him bleeding though
 
8:17 AM
While the police has guarded them.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I see him trying to get over the fence separating him from the other group before the running.
 
@Griwes "little"
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hence the improperly used quotes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Btw, "shot dead" carries an idea of immediacy, so it's not a good description here.
 
oh right
 
8:18 AM
@wilx But that didn't start an anything spree!
 
IMHO even such a small mistake of a policeman costs a lot. That's why they shouldn't be just random people. They are trained and picked to NOT make such mistakes as shooting too high.
 
Hopefully they won't kill him again
 
(Also, I again feel we're not looking at the same video)
 
Esp. when wearing full body armor and being armed against a bunch of people in hoodies
 
Even the best people make mistakes.
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, so they shouldn't have fired anything at all now?
 
sbi
8:20 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So he did not drop? The guy in the light grey hoodie? OK, now I see it. He's running away at first, but later dies?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I like how the guys with shields are on the side where there's literally nothing to shield.
 
@sbi Yes
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why? Because it tries to apply the idioms of one language to another?
@rightfold And?
 
user1804599
Not too interesting.
 
user1804599
It has function traits so the author doesn't understand C++.
 
sbi
8:22 AM
@rightfold Well, I guess that coming from you means nothing to me.
@rightfold Could you elaborate?
@BartekBanachewicz I have no idea about Haskell the theories behind this. Is it even worth to try to apply them to C++?
 
@sbi It seems to be very literal in doing so.
Also, function_type :<
 
woohoo, back from vacation. I'm so excited
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes std::function?
 
sbi
So what is it?
 
8:23 AM
Signature retrieval.
 
Ven
@sbi maybe. depends how it's executed
 
Xeo
> #define DO(var, fun, cont) ((fun) >>= [&](auto var) { return CAT_UNPACK(cont); }) // monad.hpp
lolz
 
Of the traits lauded in the description (is_container, is_associative_container, function_type, function_arity, return_type, is_callable) only the last two are good.
 
Ven
though it's often considered TMP is the haskell part of c++ ;)
 
@Xeo See, very very literal.
 
8:24 AM
Also eh, >>= for bind.
That's not exactly optimal in C++.
 
@sbi It really feels like the author wanted to write Haskell in C++ (in the spirit of being able to write Fortran in any language)
 
sbi
@Xeo Ugh.
Well, thanks for your opinions, guys. I feel a bit better equipped for looking at it now.
 
Ven
Was there a c++ proposal for user-defined operators yet?
 
@Griwes Yeah, which once again shows that there's more concern in making it look like Haskell, than in making it work nicely in C++.
 
heh
 
sbi
8:27 AM
user image
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I like that.
 
> my $job = shift or die "I can't do it";
perl is a joyful language
 
I've heard it called many things, but never before "joyful"...
 
I mentally edited that message several times before posting it
 
sbi
@jalf Why?
 
@jalf Where did you go?
 
8:38 AM
@sbi I’ve seen previous attempts before and I decided to skip that one. Just on a hunch, never took a peek.
 
sbi
@LucDanton Thanks.
@R.MartinhoFernandes He was in the UK. IIRC, when the ACCU conference ended, he had another week to travel.
 
I should clarify: the other attempts were unrelated projects. I’ve never run into one of those things and said to myself 'huh, that’d be useful/convenient'. So I skip em now.
 
Ven
@MarcoA. you should use carp. looks happier than die
 
sbi
Not sure what's so exciting about coming back from the UK, though. Maybe that he managed to avoid being there during the election? :)
 
@sbi I'm not, actually. Just figured a positive attitude might make everything better when catching up on work and emails and everything
 
8:42 AM
morning all
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I stayed in Bristol for some days, then a single day in London, and then just a few days at home. Just slacking, really :D
 
@Ven no! Shift or Die!
 
Ven
@MarcoA. Sir, Yes Sir!
 
perl is a language for tough guys
 
sbi
@jalf You poor sod.
 
Ven
8:43 AM
Also, perl has sub arguments by now..
 
sbi
@Ven Like this?. [NSFW]
 
Ven
@sbi pls.
 
@sbi now now, let him fail on his own. He has to learn.
 
@jalf Ah neat. I went to the Netherlands, hitchhiking.
 
sbi
@Ven Please what? More of it?
 
Ven
8:45 AM
@sbi I've seen those already
 
sbi
@thecoshman I didn't try to stop him. I was just sympathizing.
 
@sbi Is that cleavage?
 
sbi
@Ven All of them?
 
Ven
@sbi I closed it rather quickly
 
@sbi stop carping on and show us some great tits
 
8:47 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes All I see is a carp.
 
You've got carp in your eyes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ooh cool, I've never been there.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Cleavage"? Like this?
 
@sbi yes, but of the breasticles
 
@sbi Put it away! This is a respectable website!
@jalf I visited sehe :D
 
8:48 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it is?
@R.MartinhoFernandes did your joints freeze?
 
sbi
@thecoshman A tit.
 
Ven
nice
 
sbi
@thecoshman I see no cleavage there.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why on earth would you go to NL for hitchhiking? You can do that anywhere.
 
@sbi I prefer boobies personally :P
@sbi s/for/via/
 
Hi
I just got done with a Lisp session
 
Ven
8:51 AM
nice
(n (i (c (e))))
 
sbi
@thecoshman Here's a Blue-footed Booby. Where would I look for cleavage there?
 
@Ven bad argument: lentityp error
 
Ven
@Cinch (defun e () '()) (defun c () '()) (defun i () '()) (defun n () "nice")
 
@sbi Hitchhiking is the how, not the why.
 
user1804599
emerge --update --newuse --deep @world :(
 
sbi
8:53 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah! Der Weg ist das Ziel, huh?
 
@Ven "nice"
 
Ven
nice.
 
lol but apparently I'm programming in a 10-year old program
 
user1804599
I don't know.
 
sbi
 
8:54 AM
Dat pun
 
@sbi Yeah. We chose the Netherlands as one of the few countries that neither me nor the friend I traveled with had visited before.
 
@Cinch No, it's not Okay. It's Nice.
 
user1804599
Let's first uninstall a bunch of crap like Firefox and Erlang that I never use.
 
sbi
@Cinch There's no Nice on Hawaii. Nice is in France.
 
8:56 AM
> crap
> firefox
 
@khajvah shuns Pantooni
 
Ven
@sbi it is, and it has sea as well
 
sbi
Anyway, I need to get something done now. With the locomotive drivers going on strike again beginning tomorrow (until Sunday, FFS!), this is probably my last day at work this week...
 
Ven
jk.
 
@sbi Those are different nices
 
8:56 AM
There's an Okay, OK.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes OK Computer
 
@Xeo what the fuck
 
Xeo
@sbi Yeah, that doesn't sound fun.
 
sbi
@Cinch OK Go.
 
8:58 AM
@Griwes i didnt say that
 
@sbi Oh. I missed that. Just the S-Bahn or everything?
 
@sbi Oooh it's a Radiohead vs. OK Go right
 
BTW, I wonder if Microsoft Edge will keep correcting mistakes when hyping.
 
Nice
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
8:59 AM
@sbi Kid A
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Everything. Starting tomorrow, 2am, lasting until Sunday.
 

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