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10:00 AM
sigh... it's a lot easier to render things to screen if you do so before you swap the buffers ¬_¬
 
And then I'll have another awesome story to tell :D
 
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 * You need to switch to a newer compiler; gcc-4.8.[0-3] and gcc-4.9.0 miscompile
 * glibc.  See bugs.gentoo.org/547420 for details.
 
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inb4 GCC build fails
 
The Day My Bike Got Stolen, 50km from Civilisation
 
@rightfold inb4 "I don't want this broken system anymore"
 
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10:01 AM
I should run this command more often.
 
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Instead of once per year.
 
@rightfold Or, perhaps, just use a system that isn't absolutely terrible?
 
@Cicada Martijn Pieters #5? totally fake site
 
Ven
@rightfold which comment?
Okay, to install rust now...
"An easy way to install the beta binaries for Linux and Mac is to run this in your shell:
<curl x | sudo sh>" wtf rust.
 
@Cicada this thing is fun
 
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10:03 AM
@Ven command, not comment
 
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comments aren't run
 
Ven
@rightfold sorry, command*
 
@BartekBanachewicz yay, I know have a mess rendered to the screen... now to fix it up :P
 
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emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y @world
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
10:04 AM
@khajvah do you think "ordinary" users would manage without creating a mess?
 
@BartekBanachewicz omg bartek, you & vlad totally born for each other ... poor @LightnessRacesinOrbit though
 
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@Ven It doesn't lie.
 
Most of my answers give me +0 rating because they have no competition :/ unpopular tags
 
user1804599
It's an easy way to install them.
 
@Andy is 7th :D
 
Ven
10:06 AM
@rightfold I don't want to see a page with sudo sh $(curl). never.
 
I can make a site that makes me #1
 
user1804599
Then write a Chrome plugin that automatically closes pages that contain that.
 
oh look, Lightness posts' quality has decreased significanly over the last month, it would seem
 
stackratings.com domain not registered!!
 
@Ell If shit happens, I roll with it. Living with your absent-minded self teaches you that.
 
10:06 AM
opportunity
 
user1804599
Also, you better close the chat now.
 
@Mysticial, @Andy, and me, we're the only Loungers in the top 50 :D
 
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@Ven I'm marginally better vOv
 
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10:09 AM
>>> type(None)() is None
True
 
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Amazing!
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes True. But then you've still been robbed :P
But yeah I guess
 
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Ell
I mean with insurance you've still been robbed, but at least you can get some of it back
I understand though, you're a free spirit :P
 
@Ell So what? It's not different from having your bike stolen when you're home.
 
10:09 AM
1550 is still quite nice apparently
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes fair enough
 
@BartekBanachewicz 1500 is the default ELO starting value
 
I know, they mention that in the "about"
 
Ven
I need to break that 1.6... eventually.
 
10:13 AM
what's meh in this system is that if you write only in cryptic tags, a lot of times you only compete with much better people
that doesn't necessarily mean you write crap
this system simply doesn't take fragmentation into account
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, it means your contributions aren't as worthwhile.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It does mean your contributions are futile, unless your answers get appreciated
:D the pirate and I thinking the same. How can this happen
 
Oo this is answer based ... thought SE is a question based site
 
@sehe vOv stop questioning and poor some rum
 
@BartekBanachewicz lolwut, that proves the rating system is broken
 
10:15 AM
@AndyProwl or you made this system and tweaked the algo to favour you
 
@Ell He took the risk of sleeping over at my place. I mean, no insurance covers that. That's just plain reckless
 
he had another man with him: 2 vs 1
 
@sehe TIL Martinho's butt is not insured
 
he was quite safe
 
I have troops Also, slow working poison
Anyhoops lucnh time
 
10:17 AM
a serious question: if you get raped while travelling after have taken up a travel insurance, do you get any compensation?
 
@thecoshman In which case I even failed to make myself #1 - speaking of skills
 
@AndyProwl to avoid suspicion
 
right, note: make myself #2 on the new stackratings site
 
@AndyProwl indeed, it's the perfect cover up
 
Ell
@chmod711telkitty probably not
you still have to call the police etc.
 
10:19 AM
@chmod711telkitty What kind of compensation can you get for being raped?
 
So I'm wondering when was the last time telkitty said anything worthwhile, instead of random incoherent drivel
5
 
@CatPlusPlus Never?
 
wtf I am leaving you guys & going (grocery) shopping
 
don't call
 
Seriously, if whatever nasty thing befalls me, why will be concerned with getting monetary compensation for it sometime later? It won't fix the situation I end up in.
 
Ell
10:21 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it might do
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, but it will make you feel better and financially better off later.
 
If you could search for all things a person said
 
-1
A: Why does C provide language 'bindings' where C++ falls short?

DeadMGThere is no reason. If the semantics you're trying to express are fundamentally C-compatible and not something like templates, there is no reason you can bind easier if the implementation is written in C++. In fact, it's pretty much by definition that a C interface can be filled out by any implem...

 
But no that's too difficult to implement
 
backup plix
 
10:22 AM
It won't make me feel better because I don't give a fuck, really.
 
@CatPlusPlus Good project idea
 
ooooh I have to do the first payment of my bank loan the next month
 
I'm gonna make a logbot for IRC
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Interesting decision.
personally I find "low moneys" to be a pretty crippling problem and have no desire to go back to "low moneys", so keeping the moneys coming in matters a lot to me.
 
10:26 AM
How makefile affect .exe file, size after compilation ? When i change some lines in makefile .exe size after compiling it changed :)))
Same flags.
only change some syntax ")))) .
 
@CosminIovan that would imply make is even more shit than anticipated
 
Not if you know anything about anything
 
@CosminIovan what
 
I scraped my ear to flesh when my head got stuck between the cupboard and the door yesterday
 
Cosmin from the cosmos
 
10:28 AM
now the thing itches
 
@BartekBanachewicz Here is my makefile prntscr.com/71d1tw , when i change syntax prntscr.com/71d21u , my static library change size.
 
@BartekBanachewicz almost out of context
 
after no modification in makefile size is 2 mb
 
Change the size of your static library with these simple syntax changes!
etc etc
 
@Puppy Personally I don't think there's a big difference between say, being blind and poor, and being blind and slightly less poor. But then, I have a bit of a ridiculous approach to money. If I get too much I feel bad and want to get rid of it.
 
10:29 AM
Nobody knows what you're talking about and also nobody cares
hth
 
after i modifi the syntax size 4mb
=))
 
=))))))))))))
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes that is certainly ridiculous
 
no
 
Ell
feel free to allow me to make you feel better by the way :P
 
10:29 AM
same flags , fuck GNU :))
 
I'll take any unwanted money
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you're blind and slightly less poor, you could focus on dealing with being blind instead of also having to spend a bunch of time worrying about being poor.
 
Ell
a poor man can't afford a bionic eye, for example
Not that they exist yet :L
 
Yesterday I gave five bucks to this guy that claimed he got robbed and needed money to get to the consulate to get his documents sorted out or something. I'm pretty sure it was a scam, but in the off-chance it wasn't I gave him the money.
 
Ell
Right, I could spare 5 bucks
 
10:32 AM
You don't need money to get your documents from the consulate :(
 
@Cicada He needed a train ticket.
 
Ell
but I'm talking much more than 5 bucks
 
There are no trains in consulates that's a complete scam
 
Last month I lent 2500 euros to my flatmate so that she can afford a trip back to Australia to see her dad one last time before he passes away. It was lent, but I am treating it as lost and will never actively mention it to her again.
 
Ell
10:33 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lordy
you're going to end up broke, surely :P
I understand why you did that though
 
That's a month of salary
 
Ell
I'm sure that person will repay you though. That experience is worth much more than 2500 euros
 
Considering it as lost is a bit extreme
 
@Cicada I don't have it.
I'll live my life as if I don't have it.
That's how I avoid ending up broke.
 
That means you've worked a whole month for nothing
 
10:35 AM
When she pays me back, I'll have it, but until then I don't. If I needed it, I wouldn't have lent it.
 
Oh, I see.
 
@Cicada Or I worked a whole month so my friend can see her dad one last time.
 
I think it was an awesome gift
 
I'm not saying lending is bad (to the contrary)
 
I also hope she will have the decency of giving you the money back
 
10:37 AM
I'm saying considering it as lost is too much
 
@Cicada For all I care, I gave it away. I won't collect.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes but why?
Do you feel ashamed for taking the money?
Or maybe you feel like a martyr giving the money
 
Because I don't care, and because I don't like asking people for money.
 
hmm
 
Ell
I find it crazy that you don't care, but to each his own I guess
 
10:39 AM
if you don't care about getting the money back, why lend it in the first place instead of just telling her that it was a gift?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes out of interest, how do you feel about accepting money?
if you needed it for some reason, and someone offered you it without you asking
would you accept it?
 
@Puppy Because she asked for it.
 
fair enough.
 
I did the quiz Can You Actually Read Music?, and apparently the answer to that is hell no
 
10:43 AM
Shameful
 
@Ell Depends on how much I need it. I'd rather work for it or somehow reciprocate.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz this is true for me also
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're not alone
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ugh. I expected you were rich, but this kinda shifts my scale.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not rich.
 
10:44 AM
I want to be rich
 
We extended a friend of my wife a similar loan so she can start a business without getting crushed by current creditors. I went along without after "cross examining" thoroughly. I also consider the money "gone". Otherwise it's too stressful and I wouldn't go along in the first place.
 
@Ell @AndyProwl it's here if you want to take it
 
The page doesn't load for me
 
@Rapptz well. what to say
@BartekBanachewicz where
@BartekBanachewicz ah
 
quality sitewub
 
10:46 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes by my standards....
@CatPlusPlus ITT we reduced our interactions to 3-letter blubs
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I can tell you already the answer is hell no :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yaaaass is clearly more than three letters.
 
> You can read some music.
:P
 
as is "fail"
 
@Ell I got the first few correctly, then got the next few almost right, then it went downhill.
 
Ell
10:48 AM
@BartekBanachewicz exactly the same here
I have no idea about that alto clef or whatever it is :P
 
@Puppy "fail" is just a failed three-letter reaction.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I went well until the B-like key showed up
I have no idea how to read that
 
@Ell uh come on, that was the starter
 
I also I don't know what the enharmonic is
 
@AndyProwl octave shift apparently
 
10:48 AM
@AndyProwl A "flat"? Or the clef?
 
or something
@sehe would know
 
@BartekBanachewicz Played it on speed, misclicked two for going to fast "Musical Marvel"
 
@AndyProwl same here
 
Ell
I mean this thing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The clef
Yeah, ^ that
 
Ell
10:49 AM
I don't know how to read notes in alto clef.
 
^ that
@sehe no surprise
 
I dunno the clef names in English.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes alto clef, or "ancient" clef when it appears on any other line (tneor clef is still very usual in e.g. cello, bassoon parts)
 
So that thing means one octave up?
 
No. It means the middle C is at the center of the clef figure
 
10:50 AM
music notation is sooo overcomplicated
 
Oh, you can also named them after the notes in English.
I guess I know the clef names :D
 
@AndyProwl it's when notes spelt differently have the same pitch under popular tunings (F sharp === G flat)
@BartekBanachewicz of course not; there's just a lot of relevant information conveyed that you don't know about.
Don't Puppy out of this
 
> It requires (...) npm install
 
@sehe Ok, thanks
@sehe Thanks again
 
10:51 AM
It's powered by the web, that's quite original
 
Let's see how well I can score with this information
 
Don't be like Cinch :)
 
@sehe I dunno, IMHO guitar tabs can convey a lot more in a more readable way. In general, instrument specific things
 
@sehe That is valid argument if it is exactly same file. But if files are in different directories, it has absolutely no point.
 
and to transpose a guitar tab I can just add or subtract numbers
to transpose classical notation, well... you need to be a polar bear
 
10:52 AM
lolololol it's javascript
 
@BartekBanachewicz haha. No they don't convey more. But yes they're more "expressive". Like the programming language "Hello World" is ultimately expressive for ... coding Hello World
 
@BartekBanachewicz "A lot more"?
 
Everything's jabbascript
 
great commit messages
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes like which string do you actually play on
 
10:53 AM
@khajvah will you be fielding the support calls? ("I overwrote the wrong version of the file, how can I get it back?")
 
@BartekBanachewicz Your mom's
SCNR
 
@sehe that's why "instrument specific"
 
@khajvah Also, e.g. in Excel inter-document formula references use the document name, not path. And things like the automation API (VBA, anyone) key the document collection by name. Makes sense
 
@BartekBanachewicz That doesn't "convey more". It leaves out a ton of information that you apparently don't care about.
 
10:55 AM
> You got 16 out of 20 right! Musical Marvel
 
I did those for playing that small flute thing
 
> scuttlebutt logs
scuttlebutt
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is that more or just the same information in a different encoding?
 
I still got the enharmonic wrong even after the hint, though
 
@BartekBanachewicz And yet the conductor doesn't read that cruft. How you finger the chords is your business. He wants to know what you'll play, not how
 
10:56 AM
@sehe NSFW
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes TLI
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well the idea in music is that it's theoretically up to you where will you find the sound, I think. Like what @sehe wrote above
which doesn't really work on electric guitar
 
Ven
I love learnxinyminutes' community.
 
the thicker strings distort in a different way
esp in chords
@R.MartinhoFernandes also the guitar isn't in tune
 
10:58 AM
@sehe right but still, why not just make it use the path?
 
as in, the frets are imprecise
on perfectly straight frets the sounds that should technically be the same will have slightly different frequencies
 
@khajvah brevity? not breaking formulas when documents move? etc.
 
those discrepancies make the guitar sound in its own, unique way, and artists use that
 
This is all highly convoluted language for "there's more than one way to do it" and "express intent", "don't code /how/, code /what/ to play"
 
it's amazingly helpful to be told where to play vOv
also
9 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
and to transpose a guitar tab I can just add or subtract numbers
 
11:02 AM
That's just as good as adding fingering marks
 
@sehe a lot of things don't have those though
it's much harder for a beginner like me :P
 
@sehe I have never used VBA, probably you are right.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Or you just capo your way out of it. There's a "notation->instrument" mismatch indeed, but that doesn't mean that the extra information lost after "conversion" is somehow useless
@BartekBanachewicz I t hink you've nailed it there.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Isn't that just moving the notes up or down with the standard notation?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes they change shape
 
11:04 AM
@khajvah Programs have arbitrary limitations. When you run into them, they always seem trite. Why is there a maximum number of columns in excel? Why can't you embed more than 2GiB of true-type fonts in a PDF? etc.
 
the standard notation is diatonic
tabs are chromatic
 
@BartekBanachewicz wow. The intervals change shape. Not the notes
 
Ell
Yeah arbitrary limitations seem silly whenever you run into them
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's quite apt
 
@sehe well I meant that it visually looks different.
@sehe that being said....
 
11:07 AM
do you guys know Boost.Units?
 
It exists, yes
 
I've seen a guy that made a mod to a keyboard to make it chromatic
no spaces between black keys, basically
 
@CatPlusPlus thanks :)
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I will not ride a bike from Pankow to Adlershof.
 
Going hom uguis
 
11:11 AM
It's just an hour!
 
sbi
@jalf I think it's the 8th time in the last twelve months. A fight they have had since sometimes last year. So far, nothing was more than three days, though, and few strikes were longer than 24hrs. This one is really nasty.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you ride a bike from berlin to rotterdam?
 
@Ell No. I hitchhiked to Amsterdam.
 
sbi
@Ell I once rode a bike from Hamburg to Brussels.
@MarcoA. I said so: Nice.
 
Ell
@sbi wow
google says 30 hours for this
 
sbi
11:13 AM
@Ell It took us 18 days. :)
But we stopped a lot.
 
Ell
Yeah
 
sbi
Spent a day in Amsterdam, too.
 
Ell
I'd stop a lot too :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz just to make sure I'm not barking up the wrong tree, the divisors here are for window size, right? the 1280 and 800
 
sbi
@Ell Also, this was entirely the wrong direction, because you go along the coast, towards west. :( If I would ever do this again, I'd go from west to east.
 
11:14 AM
same here I pressume too.
 
@thecoshman mm. Why are you keeping that render-to-tex? do you really need it?
 
@BartekBanachewicz no...
 
then kick it out?
 
oh, I have :P
it's just like I'm not getting the proper spacing for my letters, they are all mushed up over each other :\ trying to work trough it, but also trying to work out what the bits are doing.
 
Maybe some people prefer to use MinGW.org's products, because they care about the due diligence taken to avoid copyright and trademark infringement. — Keith Marshall 11 mins ago
lolz
MinGW.org strikes back.
 
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11:19 AM
My computer is so slwo.
 
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Excellent.
 
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oooh, I don't think I'm drawing only where the font actually is :P
 
> Also, some free-fall nuclear weapons, such as the British Yellow Sun and Blue Danube, used RATs to power radar altimeters and firing circuits; these were a more reliable alternative to batteries.
interesting
 
11:22 AM
@rightfold hahah
 
@BartekBanachewicz is RATs an abbreviation?
 
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Jobs: 157 of 233 complete
 
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woo almost done!
 
no
they used literal rats to power the radar altimeters in nuclear bombs
 
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RAT PT 01
 
user1804599
11:24 AM
PATR10T
 
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:tinfoil:
 
@thecoshman Ram-Air Turbine
 
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Relational Algebra Theorist
 
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rightfold and thecoshman
 
lol prog metal
seems apt
 
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11:32 AM
> black metal
 
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> 3:00
 
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Can't wait to do emerge --depclean.
 
@Puppy RAT stands for Rotary Air Turbine
 
you say that like I care
 
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I hope Money and Decimal support infinity.
 
Ven
11:37 AM
Motherlord
 
user1804599
>>> Money('infinity', 'EUR')
EUR Infinity
 
user1804599
Nice. :D
 
Ven
xd
 
user1804599
Oh god, GTK got all Windows 8.
 
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@Ven I need to set a threshold amount, and using infinity for "no threshold" is convenient.
 
Ell
11:38 AM
@rightfold what caused that emerging of 305 things?
 
@rightfold null?
 
user1804599
@Ell me not updating packages for a year
 
user1804599
@Puppy infinity, not null.
 
hence my suggestion that infinity was inferior to null in this respect.
 
user1804599
Null is inconvenient.
 
user1804599
11:39 AM
>>> Money('20.45', 'EUR') < Money('infinity', 'EUR')
True
>>> Money('20.45', 'EUR') < None
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "/home/rightfold/virtualenv/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/money/money.py", line 52, in __lt__
    return self.amount < other
TypeError: unorderable types: decimal.Decimal() < NoneType()
 
Ven
'tis funny because "nul" in french means "lame"
 
Ell
I think infinity is fine
 
user1804599
The threshold is infinity.
 
@Ven behold C++17 and its lame_ptr
 
11:52 AM
Did Lightness removed his avatar voluntarily, or was he forced to after cleavagegate?
it also seems he rage-removed any info about himself from his profile
 
I liked his cleavage though
 
cleavagegate
when did that happen
 
a few days ago
a guy felt disturbed by his boobs
 
when I was in my new apartment with both our phones dead because I forgot the charger
 
@AndyProwl it was voluntary
 
user1804599
11:55 AM
> assert round(Money('NaN', 'EUR')) == Money('NaN', 'EUR')
 
user1804599
oops
 
apparently they were whispering "wank" to him
 
probably then
@AndyProwl I uh
 
let me find the meta thread
 
@BartekBanachewicz You might be able to see this
 
11:57 AM
^ Yeah, that one
 
noooo
screencap please
 
everybody seems to be interested in LRiO's boobs
 
In particular
> I agree about it being an international place, but (extending my wording in a not-so-proper way) an avatar that is revealing and promotes a session of self-care isn't really what one expects here.
 
@Mr.kbok sec
 
I'm just on stackoverflow for the boobs what other reason would there be
 

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