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Ell
11:00 AM
I think I have but I'll read again
 
Ah, TODO was just in the wording one.
> The design is minimalist
 
Hi
 
all designs Gabriel touches are minimalist
 
I need a newbe help in C++
 
-.-
 
11:01 AM
The thing is that there are a lot of things which are just really really weird, from a semantic point of view. for starters; given everything that compilers must implement in order to support modules, why can one only use import X in global scope?
 
I'm trying to compile some libraries and get 'undeclared identifier' errors
 
Xeo
I like Haskell's modules, for the most part.
 
it's not even namespace scope.. which is really weird, and the first thing in the standard that can only be used in global scope (disregarding the preprocessor - but that doesn't count)
 
Xeo
@Jasper try harder.
 
The scenario is: I'm trying compile libDWARF c library
it has a line: if (doas.type == SHT_RELA) {
 
11:03 AM
This is not libDWARF bug tracker
 
and VS stop with error SHT_RELA is not defined
 
@Jasper So, the compilation is a total success!
 
Xeo
Stopstopstop. We're not a helpdesk. We don't care about that.
 
actually SHT_RELA exist in another .h file in another project
 
It probably means SHT_RELA is not defined
 
11:04 AM
@Jasper I agree. Just last night I told my wife our shit relation lacks definition
 
I already added the folder with those .h files as 'Additional include folder'
 
@Xeo here is another way of adding state, in short; inherited constructors are implicitly defined when they are ODR-used, but things in an unevaluated operand are never ODR-used - this means that one can query if it has been given a definition without actually implicitly defining it.
 
@Jasper LINKER LINKER LINKER LINKER (chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/23555950#23555950) - also that's a entry
 
@Jasper SHT just got RELA
2
 
@FilipRoséen-refp main :D
 
11:04 AM
If you want to build libraries without using their build system then don't do that because that's not for newbies
 
but VS still complain that SHT_RELA is not defined
:(
 
Also go to that library's forum/mailing list/whatever
 
Ell
@FilipRoséen-refp why would it matter though?
 
358
Q: What is an undefined reference/unresolved external symbol error and how do I fix it?

Luchian GrigoreWhat are undefined reference/unresolved external symbol errors? What are common causes and how to fix/prevent them? Feel free to edit/add your own.

 
yes - I added .lib file from the second project as 'Additional librariries'
 
Ell
11:05 AM
Why would you import anywhere but global scope?
 
@Xeo coliru of the previous thingie
 
3 mins ago, by Xeo
@Jasper try harder.
 
Actually when I click in VS at F12 I get into correct .h file where this definition exist
it seems that VS can find it
but it could not be found at compilation time :(
 
@Ell why wouldn't you? given the complexity of the system, importing things in namespace-scope (or even local) isn't that far-fetched - and it even make sense to allow for such usage. Always being forced to "pollute" the global scope suffer from the same problem as a lot of things having to do with the preprocessor
 
Xeo
@FilipRoséen-refp Who says importing in global scope pollutes it? You can still have it qualified, and if you don't re-export it, all's fine, no?
 
11:08 AM
and I can not find difference with my setup :(
it seems that I copy/paste everything from there....
 
@Jasper TIL VS uses tabs
 
@Xeo it pollutes the current TU, but no; if you don't re-export it it's "all fine"
 
You guys write crappy code to stress-test the optimizers and not because you suck at programming, right?
 
@Xeo did you see the alternative add-state-to-translation paste?
@MarcoA. of course, I want that son of a bitch to work its ass off!
 
@FilipRoséen-refp that is talking!
 
11:09 AM
it seems that I missing something.... just some tiny detail...
 
Xeo
@FilipRoséen-refp Ye
 
@Jasper Have you tried asking on SO? Have you tried googling the errors you get?
 
@Xeo there are plenty more of where that came from
 
Xeo
lol
ODR exploitation
poor ODR.
Getting abused so much
 
Ell
But I thought modules didn't bring things into scope?
You still have to qualify namespace etc.
 
11:11 AM
@Xeo I blame the unevaluated stuff that gets so many exceptions to the rules :)
 
Prismatic: I dunno... I guess chating ppl that understand someting in C++ compilation process
 
It's not a C++ library
 
Prismatic: It's not a help about crashing app or out-of-memory exception
Prismatic: it's compilation process
 
Ell
I don't see what importing a module in a non global scope would do
 
@Prismatic snack overflow is not a helpdesk for compiling vendor libraries
 
11:12 AM
@Ell the names exported by that module would be local to that scope
 
Ell
Surely it'd have the same effect as importing it globally, because modules don't have scope or w/e
Hmm I guess
I think they don't want to introduce another lookup mechanism
 
oh man
40 minute call with a recruiter
people are giving me weird looks at work
 
and you got in love with him
 
no wonder
 
I know how stuff goes
 
11:14 AM
she was really really nice
 
*her
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Don't talk to recruiters at your desk?
 
and the job she talked about seems cool
@Xeo I was in a conf room
 
@CatPlusPlus SO has plenty of undefined XYZ error questions on c++. Probably shouldn't ask questions on SO about it, but you can search SO for the errors at least
 
but we have windows there and you know someone might noticed I'm not at my desk for 40 minutes
 
Xeo
11:15 AM
Is it public knowledge that you'll be gone in 2 months?
 
Xeo
mh
 
@Xeo it is now
2
 
@Xeo no, he just posted it on twitter, linkedin and facebook
 
some of my coworkers and my manager here know
 
11:15 AM
but it's not public knowledge yet
 
Xeo
@FilipRoséen-refp exactly my thought
 
What do you say @CatPlusPlus ? Should you search SO for forgotten checkbox or just ask it here ?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp hihi
 
Xeo
@Jasper "ask here" is never the correct option.
 
meh you know I'm not a zombie about it
 
Xeo
11:16 AM
Just FYI
 
and I'm doing nice tasks so I'm actually pretty enthusiastic and the like
anyway the job is in finance
a) finance suck
b) but cash
c) but suck
d) but maybe I could introduce them to Haskell
 
@Xeo When I'm in C# chat room I answer any questions ppl ask
@Xeo So I guess I'm wrong...
@Xeo
 
@xeo Next time I'll send them to ask question on SO
 
Xeo
@Jasper This is not the C# room and we are not you.
 
11:18 AM
@Jasper good idea
 
damn, java is still the top-asked tag: stackoverflow.com/tags
 
This is at least C++ chat ?
Strange....
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz lol d)
 
@MarcoA. C# was for a while
 
why is it that books related to software development often have an animal on the cover? I've never looked at a dog and realized the reason for some fucked up bug, nor cat, nor, rat, nor turtle.
 
11:18 AM
we need to do better: start asking crappy C++ questions now!
 
@Jasper no, it's Lounge<Haskell>. fold lift map filter curry MONOMORPHISM
 
@Jasper read this. This room is special.
 
whatever
 
@MarcoA. is auto compile- or runtime?
 
11:19 AM
@Xeo also they want to send me to Denmark
which would be cool
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think trying to introduce Haskell is a good idea
 
@Ell sc.com
 
@Griwes that could be the worse gif trying to explain something I've ever seen
 
Ell
If I was in a tech team and a new guy came in trying to push his technology, I wouldn't like it
 
@Prismatic In your own code
 
11:20 AM
@Griwes even I got confused by it.. it's just weirdly weird
 
Xeo
@FilipRoséen-refp It's the only officially endorsed onebox-gif
 
@Ell I like how you equated "introduce" with "push" mate. You gotta work on your attitude.
 
When third party library doesn't compile, it's a bug you report so they can fix it
 
@Xeo did it gain a negative score and wrap around?
 
And if you don't have any idea what the fuck you're doing, you do not try to make custom build systems for third party libraries
 
11:21 AM
@CatPlusPlus What if you're missing deps
 
Then you should learn to read
 
@Prismatic you still report it! because your problems are obviously everyone else's problem
where is LRiO when you need him?
 
Xeo
ded
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Well, it does look like it was made by @Cat...
 
how do I say that "that dog is someone else's", ie. that bog belongs to someone else?
^ is the above correct
 
11:22 AM
It is
 
It does sound correct.
 
@Griwes @CatPlusPlus probably has me on ignore, in either case; it sucks.
 
@Griwes yeah, but is that the way you write it?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp mlyp
 
11:23 AM
Apr 21 at 12:10, by R. Martinho Fernandes
bjarne.gif best gif
 
<- googles "mlyp"
 
> mlyp. Much like your post, used on forums as a lame comeback.
That was indeed a lame comeback.
 
does that mean @CatPlusPlus is rather lame?
:-/
 
@Griwes mlyp
 
infinite recursion detected
 
11:24 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Who makes those fucking screenshots where you can't see anything
How hard is it
jfc
 
Will the star be taken
 
@Griwes could you look up the definition of jfc? I need a catpp-translater
 
JOHN FITZGERALD CENNEDY
 
translater or translator?
 
Xeo
@FilipRoséen-refp It's christian masturbation. Jesus fucking himself.
 
11:25 AM
translatator
 
@buttifulbuttefly thanks!
@Xeo ah, of course
 
Xeo
@buttifulbuttefly transpotator
 
look at those cute soon-to-be-nuggets
with colorants
 
how come you can't buy colored ants? that'd be quite sick
glow in the dark ants - would be awesome
 
11:27 AM
Btw refp if my memory is correct (and I know it is, just pretending to be humble), you're Swedish
 
@buttifulbuttefly yes? we don't have colored ants in Sweden, if that's what you are implying.
 
Where would one direct their searches to find a job in IT in Sweden in C++ / security / this kind of things? Asking for a friend. Stockholm area.
Whoever starred my message above, good job on missing the joke.
Thanks for ruining my star ratio
You think this is funny???
 
@buttifulbuttefly you are talking to the wrong guy, I have no idea really. monster.se has job listings, but not only related to IT, otherwise arbetsformedlingen.se is the government owned site for finding work - there are usually plenty of things there
 
Alright thanks anyway!
 
@buttifulbuttefly this seems popular, the domain literally translates to "itwork"
 
11:32 AM
But will itwork? #topkek
 
alright, who is this guy - and why is he trying to make Lounge<C++> a happy place? that shit cray
 
@buttifulbuttefly What is it?
 
No idea
 
I mean the room
 
Precisely, I have no idea
 
11:36 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Finance doesn't suck
 
@FilipRoséen-refp At least it draws attention. And that's invariably what is required. Just explaining it nicely will never work. Otherwise the arrows/links would have been noticed.
 
@sehe I know how it works, but still couldn't understand that gif
 
That's the problem. You're not the target audience
The target audience are those people that need a kick in the butt before they start looking at the stuff on their screen.
The GIF is really helpful in that regard
The explanation is almost irrelevant. The fact the the user looks at things is important. Obviously, you didn't need a kick in the butt for that
 
@Mr.kbok It doesn't suck but if you're not into finance it's more difficult to be passionate about what you're doing, I guess.
 
@buttifulbuttefly I'd say 80% of IT is about super dull shit
 
11:41 AM
That's why I wanna give up and be a chef instead
 
20% are gamedev, where you work for free, and finance
 
Yeah speaking of that do you know how much Ubisoft Paris pays a young MS grad? :D
 
At least finance is not full of cargo cult purrformance types
 
Really? Here's I'm trying to shave microseconds eburiwr
 
@buttifulbuttefly yes: badly
 
11:42 AM
kbok is from the back office IT
 
Nothing wrong with shaving microseconds
 
user3790646
Hello.
 
Just don't do it in a stupid unmaintanable 90's way
 
butt is working on exchange feed or trading platform
 
@chmod711telkitty It's Mr. kbok, also what
 
11:44 AM
@Mr.kbok I do my best!
 
Ell
Finance sounds like it'd be interesting
I don't actually know what you're programming
 
I work in the pricing team
 
Ell
I always imagine auto trading bots :P
 
fixed income?
 
@Mr.kbok DAE GPU???
 
11:45 AM
@buttifulbuttefly There's no optimization the Mx way, they just don't do it. Do you know how long it takes to start up?
 
@Xeo It's not.
 
@chmod711telkitty Equities
 
@Mr.kbok don't worry I'm just repeating FUD
 
@Mr.kbok I know they forbid templates and virtual methods in their code base.
 
I actually think it could be nice
 
11:45 AM
@Ell I worked on multiple auto trading bots
 
@Mr.kbok Telquities!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes good point
 
Xeo
Oh, right, I forgot Sparklestrup
3
 
his hair srsly
 
Oh, Shiny Bjarne. Now where's my Masterball
 
11:46 AM
why would you leave a hair like that
 
Xeo
Because he can. Same as Scott.
 
It is delicately arranged like that
Scott's hair is a mystery to science though
 
@Mr.kbok I doubt you are working on derivatives pricing or automated trading pricing systems
most likely you are working on fixed income or other financial products that doesn't involve intensive calculations or simulations (because risks are always related to calculated theoretical prices)
 
why would you think that
 
She knows better than you
 
11:49 AM
That's crazy, fixed income requires much more intensive calculations than equities
Also why would I lie about my desk vOv
 
You're wrong. telkitty knows all about finance.
 
telkitty is actually Warren Buffet in disguys
 
@Mr.kbok did I mention equities?
 
Mar 21 '14 at 7:15, by telkitty.exe
I have a master in finance rofl (business but majored in finance to be more precise)
 
What's "finance rofl"?
 
11:51 AM
that, detective, is the right question
 
Nov 14 '14 at 12:11, by chmod 711 telkitty
guess I am what you get when finance knowledge meets a genius >_<
That actually fits.
I wonder if I could have a whole conversation with you just with telkitty quotes.
6
 
lol genius
 
@chmod711telkitty I did
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was expecting you to :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes considering how vague BS they are, I am p sure it's possible
 
11:52 AM
May 8 at 13:10, by chmod 711 telkitty
It's not maths unfortunately - you have to be able to do maths. It's the economics/finance knowledge. Commercial & engineering combined degrees is a very good thing to have.
 
Whatever I don't really need you to believe me
 
Oct 4 '13 at 12:45, by Telkitty 猫咪咪
I believe I can fly ...
 
Noooo kbok your hard earned trust!
 
@Mr.kbok so what product(s) are you working on?
 
Time to go home, good afternoon guis
 
11:53 AM
Apr 25 '14 at 4:30, by telkitty.exe
Home? More like a dorm >_<
 
Jan 12 at 12:41, by chmod 711 telkitty
sex sells ... although I am not sure about that can be said about high tech products
 
user3790646
I'm not a graphical user interface, @buttifulbuttefly
 
this is fun
 
Aug 10 '13 at 15:12, by Telkitty 猫咪咪
simplest interface possible
 
user3790646
11:54 AM
lol
 
@chmod711telkitty Like I said, equities
 
you write pricing algorithms for equities?
 
Sep 16 '13 at 1:33, by Telkitty 猫咪咪
how to make money from vacuum ...
Jul 26 '13 at 6:25, by Telkitty 猫咪咪
Back to work for now ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes I was talking about bitcoins
 
I don't write them, I optimize them
but yeah
 
11:56 AM
yesterday, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Also, I was drunk.
Apr 8 at 0:40, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Ok. Officially Drunk.
 
The worst part of being drunk is lying down and closing your eyes. Headspiiiiiiin
 
Dec 13 '14 at 0:42, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I'm so drunk I can type.
May 1 at 2:58, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I'm not drunk, though
 
35 mins ago, by Luc Danton
Apr 21 at 12:10, by R. Martinho Fernandes
bjarne.gif best gif
 
Mar 17 at 16:08, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, but Xeo Irish I were drunk.
 
Xeo
That's quite enough.
 
11:59 AM
@LucDanton Agreed
 

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