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9:00 PM
It's one humungous query:(
 
it's alright, there's a bunch of diarrhea you can toss at that
close votes, down votes, other votes
 
lol
the IDE + a kitkat VM and chrome gets my RAM usage to 70%
 
just keep piling up shit until the question collapses under its weight
 
perhaps it's time to upgrade to 16GB
 
your edit made the sentence incomprehensible
 
9:09 PM
it was correct but made no sense in that tense
 
@MartinJames lies! (no idea what I'm talking about)
 
@thecoshman This time of night, that's how it shoud be:)
 
I has popcorbn
 
@AlexM. IDEA consumes 500MB idle, 700MB-1GB is standard on normal usage, once seen it at 1.5GB after a long session with a Minecraft and a scala swing(?) app running
 
.,.. why people keep say IKEA worng.]
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user3790646
9:13 PM
mayweather's still running...
 
@thecoshman Not Swedish, too complicated for me :P
 
@MartinJames Happy I don't have to struggle with that stuff anymore (at least in my current job) :-P ...
 
@EtiennedeMartel 30 minutes?
 
@Rapptz They didn't get enough money for a feature length film.
 
9:16 PM
blunder
 
Hey, at least we got something.
 
@thecoshman I'm sure IKEA consumes a lot more of resources ...
 
user3790646
*grabs popcorn
 
Also, I'm fairly sure the joke can stay fresher if it's shorter.
 
user1804599
Pattern matching is assertions 2.0!
 
9:18 PM
is 30 minutes really a movie though
in 2015 CE
 
user3047181
i too, define 'movie' as '90 minute shooty-car-chase'
 
@Rapptz Yes it is: "A film, also called a movie or motion picture, is a series of still images which, when shown on a screen, creates the illusion of moving images due to the phi phenomenon." -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film
 
@Rapptz You do know that short films exist, right?
I mean, there are even plenty of awards for them.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I prefer to call them lame films
 
@Rapptz You molester of the arts.
 
9:22 PM
you know while writing all this stuff
java, C# or w/e
I can't help but feel like switching to one of them for a while
writing C++ 8 hours a day gets boring quickly
 
you mean Gamedev C++™?
I can imagine
 
Ell
evening folks
 
hi
 
@Rapptz Unless you are still in the phase of "That's neat!", yeah.
 
Also, I'm listening to Linkin Park. Feels weird somehow.
 
9:24 PM
@AlexM. s/java/scala/
 
you can watch that movie in VLC for the true experience
 
is this guy rightfold
 
ctrl + n opens a network stream
 
user3047181
@AlexM. why exactly though? I used to think java and c# were magic, and then I learned c++ actually has garbage collection too? so now I don't understand why extactly they're considered easier?
 
wot
 
9:25 PM
@MeltyButter Garbage collection in C++? wut
 
@Rapptz Kung Fury? You'd need to watch a VHS release for the true experience.
 
@Rapptz even the C++ at home, anything really
I wanna switch to something else for a while
 
Or Laserdisc, even.
 
@AlexM. /me hints at scala
 
I need to put VLC in my PATH
 
9:25 PM
I wonder if I can negotiate a temporary switch to the BI team LOL
and write python
 
user3047181
@nabijaczleweli i thought gc was auto-discarding local variables when you exit a scope? c++ does that, so...
 
@AlexM. C++ is fun
 
@MeltyButter Marketing--people have been selling them as easier for years. There is some truth to it, but GC is (at most) a very small part of that.
 
@MeltyButter That's not garbage collection.
 
Ell
TIL about Cubanisto
 
9:26 PM
@MeltyButter GC is soooooo much more than that. GC in C++ is virtually impossible.
 
@MeltyButter GC (as the term is normally used) means tracing through your dynamically allocated "stuff" and recycling all of them that are no longer accessible.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That would bring me back to 2008 or something.
 
@Jefffrey Damn why so young
 
Just got an email titled "I want to be in your bed". I politely replied that I'm homeless and asked them to stop sending me mails
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@MeltyButter Look up Java's GC. Shit's way more real than stack variables
 
9:27 PM
@nabijaczleweli Well, there's c++-CLI
 
@EtiennedeMartel Actually more like 2005. It's when I started listening to them.
 
I started around 2001.
 
List<Student> students = new ArrayList<>();
 
Or maybe in 2000.
 
this is actually cool
 
9:28 PM
@Columbo inb4 'We can rent out your surplus cardboard boxes at a good rate'
 
When Hybrid Theory came out.
 
how you can omit the concrete type
 
Well, I listened to "In the end" and "Numb" previous to that year, but those don't count.
Everybody listened to those.
 
@AlexM. You forgot a delete students; You're leaking.
 
@MeltyButter Try newing class C {C() {cerr << "wah";} ~C() {cerr << "haw";}} and look for destructor output. GL
 
9:29 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ im writing java you pleb
 
@AlexM. Yeah, that doesn't resemble valid c++
 
In fact, I'm surprised at how much I enjoyed their most recent album, The Hunting Party.
 
@AlexM. Diamond operator(?). Java 7. Best feature since templates. But scala is still better
 
user3047181
@nabijaczleweli hmm yeah, destructor output... Is there like some pretty-looking gui that shows you all the variables you're using in c++ and whether they're on the heap or the stack or whatever... that's be a good learning tool...
 
That's exactly who I imagine someone using Prolog would look like.
 
Ell
9:31 PM
^this is how I would imagine a prolog user
 
Damn those mustache are fucking awesome.
 
@MeltyButter Not sure, there are tools to check for memory leaks, though.
 
I'm kind of impressed that they're still developing prolog
 
Ell
I wish there pastebin for recordings
 
user3047181
@nabijaczleweli mm yeah I'd find that useful!
 
9:32 PM
FOL has some "features" that render it totally useless for production use, it's merely academic AFAIK
 
@Jefffrey They only come with the professional versions of Prolog.
 
@Jefffrey From the 1st glance, could well be the guy preaching at the sunday morning bible.tv
 
@MeltyButter But that's virtually impossible. Try int * wah = static_cast<int *>(static_cast<void *>(new int) + 1) What would that be?
 
Ven
@FilipRoséen-refp I actually realized I have the previous article to read
 
Ell
@nabijaczleweli the address of the new int +1, right?
 
9:33 PM
@EtiennedeMartel They did a good job of capturing that 80s vibe lol
 
user3047181
@nabijaczleweli yeah, but like, as a void pointer, right?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ IKEDA is full of IDEAS
 
Didn't wolfram alpha killed prolog? Or is it based on it in the end?
 
I dare you try come out one those shops with out amazing crap
 
@MeltyButter The tool, that is. Also, nope. A mis-aligned int, UB when using the last byte.
 
user3047181
9:34 PM
no no wait, it'd be 1 byte ahead of it, like a stack
 
0
A: using std::copy to insert element into vector

Vlad from MoscowI think that before using std::copy to insert a new element you allocate a new memory extent and copy elements from the old memory extent to the new memory extent. After copying you delete the old memory extent. In this case using of std::copy is correct.:)

huh?
is Vlad vlading?
 
user3047181
@nabijaczleweli rrright... so that makes a handy little stack vs heap vs w/e gui impossible?
 
@thecoshman Yeah, they have that section with the "cheap" useful things, near the cashiers
 
oh wait
 
@AndyProwl yes, a lot
 
9:36 PM
I get it... he's suggesting an alternative solution, not explaining what's going on
 
@AndyProwl I think he's talking about reallocation (for which it looks like poor wording, but basically accurate).
 
s/you allocate/you should allocate/
 
@MeltyButter Virtually, yes. STL implementation WILL do really cheeky shit for performance reasons. Or the XOR linked list.
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, I somehow figured he was trying to explain what was going on, rather than outlining a different solution
 
user3047181
you talkin bout me? No I really am just trying to understand what's happening, not trying to reinvent the language...
 
9:38 PM
although I don't think reallocating unconditionally is a good idea here
 
> In this case using of std::copy is correct and has the expected result.
Hmm
 
@MeltyButter Try bfy.tw/3vF. DrMemory and Valgrind are the most popular.
 
@Jefffrey Technically it is, but he'd be reallocating every time
 
@AndyProwl Yeah, I think so.
 
doesn't make too much sense to me
 
user3047181
9:40 PM
@nabijaczleweli oh cool, I already have valgrind for profiling... Thanks, I'll get right on that for memory shit .. :*
 
uh.. creepy.. this crypt is near my house
 
Was anyone ever reading N4296 for fun?
 
Ell
I forgot which N4296 was
 
The boring one
Like the rest
 
9:50 PM
@Ell C++14 draft, IIRC
 
Who reads technical specs for fun
 
Ell
@nabijaczleweli that isn't UB?
o.O
 
@CatPlusPlus I do. It's pretty fun
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
9:51 PM
N4140 is the C++14 draft
N4296 is a later working draft
 
@Brian WTF am I reading then? My whole life is a lie...
 
7
Q: Which draft is closest to the C++14 standard?

BrianI've seen N3690, N4140, and N4296 mentioned in various places. I'm guessing it's N4140 because that was released in late 2014. N4296 seems to have stuff that isn't in C++14, like fold expressions.

 
@thecoshman You still drinkin?
Cider's gud
 
@Brian Oh, so N4296 is the "latest and hottest" of the International Standard? My life is not a lie.
 
9:54 PM
^
Looks like the current draft is N4431
 
@Brian I give up... N4296 is still considered C++14?
@Brian I'll be reading that, then. Thanks!
 
C++14 is whatever's been approved as C++14
 
@CatPlusPlus *basically C++14
 
@nabijaczleweli C++14 is actually N4141
 
@Ven ah, well the previous article is a prerequisites for the latter one - so you shouldn't worry if you didn't understand the third without reading the first two :)
 
Wait. That looks odd.
 
Oh hey Kung Fury is out
 
Just finished it
 
@Brian Oh. Thank you for your support.
 
10:03 PM
@sehe that just makes me feel bad since I don't have a proper internet-connection at home, I'm currently connected through my phone
 
I got it today
They sent me the gear late. But it was just a day. So ...
 
not too bad though since I just sit around in terminals, and the latency isn't bad at all - but I would never get the speed showed above
@sehe so.. sue them! the most appropriate thing to do is always to sue.
 
I look forward to redoing my backups properly
 
merkins
 
You can't even tell if it's real or fake... you could just abuse the speedtest share api.
 
10:04 PM
I should sue because the U/L speed is twice what they promise
 
@mash Because people really care
 
Looks like they forget/don't bother to limit U/L
 
@sehe yeah, tell them that you have lights that blink to show how fast things are going, and that you can't even see them blink because it is too fast
 
@sehe My speed is the opposite :)
Or around the opposite anyway.
500/250.
 
10:06 PM
Everybody: lie about your speeds now, if they exceed mine. I wanna gloat for a bit
Oooo. The porn is faaaaast now
 
Xeo
50/10 :<
I feel slow
 
> my internet connection is so fast that I can view a 60 minute gangbang in under 2 minutes
 
@Xeo bitch, please...
 
@Xeo 27/6
 
24/7
 
10:08 PM
3.42857142857
 
@Xeo don't. Sehe cheats and uses corportate server internets
 
@AndyProwl Nice. Took me a while
 
@Xeo 12.6/1.4
 
Xeo
 
10:10 PM
So, Comcast in my area came up with a new trick in the last few years. In order to get wifi, you have to pay for at least 25/10 at $40/mo
 
@mash you made your point. Thanks though for making me feel good
 
I think I'm fed up with work
 
lol American ISPs
 
these days I just can't focus on the damn thing
 
The date was 大成功.
Huge success.
;-)
 
10:12 PM
Nnice
 
I hate error codes. MapViewOfFile is returning NULL and GetLastError() is "unknown error"
 
@AndyProwl still working?
 
@wilx Dating a Chinese girl?
 
@TBohne Even MS doesn't know what you effed up :P
 
@JohanLarsson I've been trying to start the whole day...
 
10:14 PM
@nabijaczleweli no wait, GetLastError is ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER. Why is system_error lying to me?
 
@AndyProwl it is a new day now, maybe this one is better
 
@JohanLarsson heh, if it will continue the way it's starting, I'm afraid not
 
@AndyProwl TFW whole day is 14 minutes
 
@AndyProwl lol. No. It just describes my satisfaction. :)
 
10:15 PM
And hers?
 
@wilx Oh, good thing then :)
 
@TBohne Rule #34: NEVER trust strings :P
 
@wilx your down/up ratio is weird.
 
@sehe Well, I cannot read her mind but she said I should get the Aliens film so that we can repeat the date. :)
 
glad for you
ok, let's postpone productivity attempts to tomorrow later today. I'll . Nite everyone
 
Ell
10:19 PM
Oh we're sharing speeds?
 
Hehe. Backing up an initial copy of pictures to my VPS:
sent 378.41M bytes  received 1.77K bytes  17.60M bytes/sec
total size is 378.31M  speedup is 1.00
W00t
 
Ell posting hax, reported
 
I can get used to this.
Yup. Already used to it.
@nick The filename was for you
 
@nick no, I think he intended to, but he just posted a picture
@Ell copy/paste fail?
 
epic fail bro
 
10:21 PM
I think he just posted that on purpose.
 
@nick @TBohne nah, just trolling
 
Ell
@sehe wins!
 
pfft. wasn't it obvious enough.
 
no
 
Ell
I just posted what speed test gives for me
They should make js version
But they can't I know I know
 
10:26 PM
Aha, std::system_category is for errno codes. There is no category for Win32 error codes. VC++ fail.
someone needs to make a header for that for me to include
wait, I'm dumb. Just use boost.
 
@TBohne I would never have actually assumed, that it would.
@TBohne Executable_size *= 4
 
@TBohne Why did you change your name?
 
@CatPlusPlus nah, I hit it hard and fast :D Cider only good if it's dry (and if you want to make jhokes about liquids always being wet you are scume who deserves not to live)
 
@Jefffrey from what?
 
Liquids are always wet
 
10:30 PM
@Jefffrey Apparently the number of employers who want to hire mooing ducks is fairly small.
 
@JerryCoffin They're not sufficiently cuddly and co-evolved, unlike us pups
 
@CatPlusPlus Perfectly fine, since this is obviously serious, not a joke.
 
@Jefffrey trying to get a job
 
@CatPlusPlus you are scume that seserves not to live
 
@Puppy I am a duck. Moo Moo Moo.
 
10:32 PM
woof?
 
@nabijaczleweli it's what system_category is for.
@nabijaczleweli or they should at least provide a category that does work.
 
what if your potential employers are stalking your chat history
 
@TBohne "to map the error codes that match POSIX errno values to std::generic_category" -- en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/error/system_category
 
@TBohne No that's std::generic_category.
 
@Rapptz neither works
 
10:33 PM
std::system_category is for system error codes (errno in POSIX)
 
@Puppy Pups may be more desirable, but people expect them to work in return for room, board, and an occasional walk or petting.
 
Windows != POSIX
 
No fucking shit.
 
user3047181
@JerryCoffin ugh I'd love to be a kinky pet for some successful lawyer dude or something <3
 
@TBohne Yeah I know. I've dealt with this shit before. libstdc++'s stdlib is non-conforming too. I remember that VC++'s was though.
 
10:34 PM
@nabijaczleweli Depends on the version of Windows you're talking about. At one time, Windows included a certified implementation of POSIX.
 
What if executable size doesn't matter
 
I asked around.
 
@Rapptz I think technically VC++ is conforming, simply useless
@JerryCoffin at like five different times
 
What's funny is that Linux is not a certified implementation of POSIX
Or a complete one either
 
Feb 20 at 1:29, by Rapptz
#include <iostream>
#include <winerror.h>
#include <system_error>

int main() {
    std::cout << std::system_category().message(WSAEACCES);
}
I do think std::system_category works as intended in VC++.
Check those comments.
 
10:36 PM
My world/viewpoint is falling apart right now.
 
It's just libstdc++ that is retarded.
 
@TBohne Only one of which I'm aware (from NT 3.1 through Win2K, IIRC).
@CatPlusPlus The Windows implementation was 1003.1 only (so it was usable for simple command line utilities, but not much else--no threads, no sockets, no...)
 
@JerryCoffin Nah, puppies just lounge around and look cuddly.
 
@CatPlusPlus If you are covered in liquid oil you are not wet.
 
@Rapptz Works fine in VC++ 2015 RC (after you add the missing #include <string>).
 
10:41 PM
"wet" can only be used in conjunction with water.
 
Whether it's wet or not depends on how well liquid sticks to the surface
 
wikipedia: authoritative source
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus most stuff isn't vOv
 
10:42 PM
Wetting is the ability of a liquid to maintain contact with a solid surface, resulting from intermolecular interactions when the two are brought together. The degree of wetting (wettability) is determined by a force balance between adhesive and cohesive forces. Wetting deals with the three phases of materials: gas, liquid, and solid. It is now a center of attention in nanotechnology and nanoscience studies due to the advent of many nanomaterials in the past two decades (e.g. graphene, carbon nanotube). Wetting is important in the bonding or adherence of two materials. Wetting and the surface forces...
@Jefffrey Yes a blurb on disambiguation page is great source
 
@JerryCoffin Windows NT has POSIX 1, (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_POSIX_subsystem), Windows 7 comes with Interix version 6.1 (though disabled by default, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix). Windows Services for UNIX is a POSIX subsystem for WinNT, included with Windows Vista (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Services_for_Unix)...
 
@CatPlusPlus It's from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Of course it's great source.
@TBohne Unemployed.
 
@JerryCoffin ok, so only two
 
So yes you can be wet with oil, unless you're made of teflon
Are you
Jeffflon
 
god i'm so wet
 
10:44 PM
@TBohne Yeah--I was ignoring the Interix subsystem/Services for UNIX. I guess I probably shouldn't, but such is life. For that matter, Services for UNIX was available for Win2k, so it's two (or three) separate subsystems, but still technically a single time frame.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@CatPlusPlus /me coats self with teflon
 
bah, to use boost::system::system_error, I have to actually build boost, something I've been avoiding
 
Polyjefffreyfluoroethylene
2
 
Cat's are wetting things alot
 
10:46 PM
@CatPlusPlus PolytetrafluoroJefffylene.
 
Xeo
oops, almost 1 am
time for sleeps
 
Time for work
 
^^ this
 
Xeo
@πάνταῥεῖ Taiga likes wetting my hand - by licking it.
 
@CatPlusPlus I prefer Wine for Turk (or for me).
 
10:47 PM
I've been meaning to try more wines
 
@CatPlusPlus Good call (says the guy who's currently wearing a "Conserve water. Drink Wine" shirt).
 
@Xeo And they puke and pee, and almost always hit that particular "non teflon covered" spot at all (e.g. your bathroom carpet, instead of the ceramic tiles) :-P
 
@CatPlusPlus ...or Gore Tex (which is the same material as Teflon, but in sheet instead of bead form).
 
dude, you don't have graphene-covered saucepans?
 
@Puppy You're peeing in any corner anyways ...
 
10:50 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ The chances of the cat peeing in a particular room is directly proportional to the cost, and inversely proportional to the age of the carpet.
 
^ LOL you're familiar with their concept :-D
 
@Puppy Would you settle for sauce covered graphene-pans pizza?
 
ah, I see the problem. INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE != 0.
 
It kinda looks like a weird emote
 
@TBohne It's -1
Also sometimes -1 is also a valid pseudohandle
It's v fun
 
10:56 PM
@CatPlusPlus WINAPI. Not even once.
 
some functions return 0 for invalid result, and some -1. Awesome.
 
At least they know what a vowel is
 
@CatPlusPlus Yup--in fact, GetCurrentThread and GetCurrentProcess are basically implemented as return -1;
 
-1 also means "all processes" in Unix.
 
-1 means a lot of things in Unix
 
10:58 PM
@CatPlusPlus ...but mostly it just means: "Fork you!"
 
@JerryCoffin pretty sure that's not right. At my old company we printed the results of those functions in our logs to keep track of where each line came from
no wait
nevermind me
GetCurrentThreadId and GetCurrentProcessId
 
@JerryCoffin The fun comes from Wait* functions accepting pseudohandles :v
 

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