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Ell
12:00 AM
@MooingDuck I think I joined when I was 16
it was fewer than 5 years that you left :)
 
@Ell "laughed out lout out loud"? Are you sure it wasn't, maybe, out loud?
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin it's a recursive acronym!
lol = lol out loud
 
@Ell What nonsense. A recursive acronym would be one that you write by hand at least twice.
 
Ell
laugh out loud out loud out loud
 
12:03 AM
Rabid Beaver Chases Children In Northern Virginia
lol
 
@chmod711telkitty Mebbe like that or, more likely, it was some beaver-shaped beer stain on the towel that I had been carrying round all night.
 
@Ell I lol'd silently.
 
@StackedCrooked Silently would be "los", which would make you are a "loser".
 
Ell
@chmod711telkitty you make me laugh
never change, @chmod711telkitty
 
12:08 AM
@Ell Oh, please don't say that. She went for a couple of weeks without changing once, and the smell was awful. Really, doing laundry is a good thing!
 
I'm a losier.
 
@StackedCrooked Can't be. That would be a loser from Indiana.
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
"Let lol the dogs of war!"
 
12:13 AM
I suspect that Puppy is asleep by now.
 
@MartinJames But is Daisy asleep?
 
@JerryCoffin he "lol'd out loud" out loud. You know how recursion works
 
@JerryCoffin Daisy is a dog of war?
If so, Bailey must be, like, a warhorse.
 
@MartinJames Probably (for a sufficiently loose definition of "war", anyway).
@MartinJames Knowing you, Bailey's undoubtedly more of a draft horse.
 
Ell
Mmm baileys
3
 
12:19 AM
@JerryCoffin Yeah. He has done me many injuries, though. He can run after a thrown stick. He can catch it or pick it up. He can bring it back really quickly. Unfortunately, the 'brake to a halt and offer it to be thrown again' is beyond him. Usually, I can dodge the stick as he flies past me, but not always. Hence the leg-scarring.
 
@Ell I was never a big fan--I want my alcohol to look and feel like alcohol.
 
@Ell Good idea:) I'll go get one.
 
I chugged 1.5l of water in the time it took Yimu to drink 0.5l. I won!
Also, I was drunk.
brb peeing
 
robot is turning into an alcoholic too now, just not a highly functioning alcoholic
 
This last week has been a hard lesson in just how obsolete C++ is.
 
12:25 AM
a lot C++ developers get hired to write java & C#
 
Dear graphics researchers: "Average FPS" of your technique is about as useful a metric as "average temp of my coffee when I captured video".
hahaah
 
Ell
@MooingDuck as a skilled c++ programmer, I've no doubt you could pick up new languages very quickly
 
100% of dev job openings require java, C#, or javascript. Rarely I find one that says "Java or C# or other compiled language (C++ acceptable)"
@Ell oh I agree, but it means I cant get a job until I do
 
Ell
You might consideresrning c# a useful asset to your cv
Sorry I'm a little tipsy still, my spelling is aefil
 
I've dabbled in it, but I need to get that up to a real proficiency.
asap
 
12:27 AM
aefil, genius
 
also html5, javascript, linux, php, sql...
 
Ell
I can't stand JavaScript to be honest
 
I've seen more jobs requiring node.js proficiency than C++
 
Ell
going from c++ to JavaScript feels so unsafe
I would so much rather have static typing :/
 
yes
 
Ell
12:30 AM
Still java or c# will be nothing for you
Evening jobbies even
 
Morning guys.
 
luv 2 see loungers turning into web developers :p
 
my wife cooked chicken in cranberry sauce. DELICIOUS!
 
@MooingDuck Where are you looking (and how flexible are you about moving)?
 
where is cicada, he's late for work ...
 
12:32 AM
@MooingDuck I've never seen you here before! Nice meeting ya
@buttifulbuttefly Yeah, you should seriously consider working here. :) I really mean it.
 
@JerryCoffin I'm looking anywhere I can think of on the net (I'm only like a fifth of the way through my list of "lists of jobs". Greater Seattle Area, I would very much prefer to not move, but I'll at least look at other places.
 
Clang++ forces me to avoid using <angled> include for <lua.hpp> and recommend "quotes" include. Wow, what's the big deal about this...
 
@DeanSeo I used to be on a lot about four years ago, then about two years ago I stopped.
 
@MooingDuck :) :) :) Come here more often.
 
@DeanSeo usually <> is for system paths, "" for relative/project paths
 
@MooingDuck Yeah, but shouldn't be just a warning?
 
@DeanSeo depends on if it can find your headers or not
 
@MooingDuck Wha.. really? I need to check.
 
@DeanSeo they literally check different directories.
 
@MooingDuck That makes sense. Thx dude.
 
Ell
12:37 AM
@DeanSeo I don't see you often, hi!
 
@Ell Yo sup
 
@MooingDuck With the proviso that with "", if it can't find it initially, it falls back to whatever set of places <> looks in.
 
Ell
Im exhausted
Night all
 
@Rapptz @ThePhD To use Sol's latest version, I am compiling Sol with Clang++ on Windows since VS2013 is the latest compiler from MS that I can use in this comp...
@Ell Sleep tite.
 
12:46 AM
@Ell Good night.
 
@Rapptz I have ascended to meme somehow
Also good morning everyone
 
hi
 
Let's start a productive day by reviewing the starboard
 
I'm looking for a tool that takes pre-existing CSS and removes unused rules
if anyone knows one let me know
 
What's 'unused rules'
 
12:49 AM
I'm not sure what you mean by "unused rules"
 
github.com/begriffs/css-ratiocinator closest thing I've found
 
terrible starboard
 
> It works by examining your site's live DOM in the browser and reverse engineering a new, more elegant definition that captures styles down to the pixel.
laffo
 
> a new, more elegant definition that captures styles down to the pixel
 
Looks interesting v0v
 
12:51 AM
not sure what's so funny
but then again >cat
 
if i had to use css id probably use less, its not useful for what you want though.
 
Completely ignores dynamic reflows
CSS is extremely context-dependent, and what's redundant in one configuration might not be in another
Redundant rules are not an issue
 
literally all I care about is removing redundant or unused rules
 
Seriously what's a "unused rule"
 
Not about getting your styles elegantly captured down to the pixel?
 
12:54 AM
a rule that's in the CSS but not used in the DOM ?_?
 
thats the problem though if your content is in any way dynamic that might be hard to determine
 
If the wobsite is static then simple grep should do
But if JabbaScript comes in then well
 
no JS
this isn't even my CSS
 
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Q: How can I find unused images and CSS styles in a website?

Jon GallowayIs there a tool or methodology (other than trial and error) I can use to find unused image files? How about CSS declarations for ID's and Classes that don't even exist in the site? It seems like there might be a way to just spider the site, profile it, and see which images and styles are never l...

looks like it's built in chrome
 
imba
 
12:58 AM
lol SO: 2237 rules (83%) of CSS not used by the current page.
 
probably doesn't work with media queries
but I don't have any so idc
 
Why is cat up @3am?
 
You cool kids use the Tor browser?
 
Mostly not because it's slow
 
1:01 AM
I used to
 
inb4 im not cool
 
It used to be very slow.
Don't know if still is in 2015.
I used to browse SO chat in Tor only from 2012-2013.
 
I'm trying Tribler, which is basically a Tor based torrent client, and it's eating 110/200% of CPU power just staying idle.
 
200% CPU power !?!?!
 
lol
 
1:03 AM
dlmorecpu.co.nz
 
@Rapptz Sounds counterproductive if you are going to log in to Google. I don't know.
 
@Borgleader cores
 
@Borgleader 2 cores v0v
 
@Jefffrey and they say gamedevs are terrible
 
1:03 AM
@Jefffrey I used it out of habit
 
@Jefffrey browsing, he doesn't have to log in
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hey robot
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes xkcd.com/148
 
@Jefffrey Don't run torrents over Tor
You're a menace
 
cat, insomnia?
 
1:05 AM
But you can't spell torrent without tor!
 
or rent, whats your point?
 
but then you can't spell torrent without rent
 
You can't torrent without rent, no
 
@CatPlusPlus can't sleep?
 
@Borgleader hi. What's up
 
1:07 AM
@chmod711telkitty Yes, and "tore" and "rent" are pretty much synonyms. What of it?
 
@CatPlusPlus Am I a phantom one, though?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes tired but otherwise fine, how are you?
 
Drunk
I got dragged onto the dancefloor
 
did it look anything like this ?
 
I broke a plate: I wanted to dry it, so I heated it on a stove & forgot about it ...
 
1:14 AM
Uh, is YouTube down?
 
no, i was on it 2 min ago
 
@EtiennedeMartel Seems to be working here.
 
@chmod711telkitty nice.. a towel just wouldn't do?
 
@JerryCoffin How are you doing these days?
 
@Borgleader Pretty fair. Weather today kinda sucked (by local standards--which means it was almost cold enough you might think about wearing sweater).
@Borgleader How about you?
 
1:22 AM
@JerryCoffin Oh that's good to hear. I've been doing well also, which is a nice change from the abysmal week i had earlier due to allergies.
 
@Borgleader Yeah--allergies can be utterly miserable. Glad to hear you're feeling better.
 
1:37 AM
I don't have allergies, but I'd assume it would be quite annoying.
 
Title of the day:
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Q: URGENT HELP NEEDED

AshlingOkay so I need help on how to talk to my teacher about suicide. I have social anxiety and it's hard to get me to talk to people. I have talked to this teacher before about other stuff but never suicide. I trust him a lot. I don't want to upset him though or have a panic attack. I need help. I wro...

 
Quick, someone tag it with
 
> In the end none of it matters
Heh.
 
@Rapptz Hmmm. Are you around?
 
hi
 
1:48 AM
Still on the topic of your great JSON lib that I'm using all day everyday
template<typename T, EnableIf<is_generic<T>> = 0>
T as() const {
    throw std::runtime_error("calling value::as<T>() on an invalid type (use a json type instead)");
}
Why not a static assert?
 
generic code
I don't want as<T> to sometimes be a compile-time error
but I'm weird
I actually spent 20 minutes thinking if I should throw or static assert
Consider
if(x.is<T>()) { auto&& y = x.as<T>(); }
should that throw if T is not 'valid'?
compile-time error is what I did by accident earlier (i.e. "type deduction failed") :v
 
Well, if x.as<T> throws, how could the x.is<T> ever be valid in the first place?
 
x.is<T> returns false if the type isn't a valid type
so that code path is never taken at runtime
 
But it should not compile for, say x.is<MyUDT> does it?
 
it does, it returns false.
 
1:52 AM
Oh. Why let it compile? Generic code again?
 
Don't you need x.template is<T>() there?
 
@buttifulbuttefly Yeah.
@Jefffrey Depends if x is a dependent type.
 
Okay then I follow the reasoning.
Why not throw within operator[] if the underlying storage is not object/array?
 
I didn't write operator[].
it made sense at the time
but I don't know anymore
 
Alright then.
> Why couldn't one develop a C++ alternative to the STL that is meant to operate in single-thread mode, hence with no barriers / thread safety at all ?
> You could. Some probably have done it already in private code.
lol
> Godbolt of DRW says: Rust much faster than C++
oh boy
 
2:32 AM
@Rapptz Please help.
VS2013 Nov CTP can't understand:
Sol!template<class F>check_duplicate_signature
{
template<class>
static auto test(...) -> struct ret;
// ...
}
Gosh
 
Which part?
 
While Clang++ does, but I have to figure it out with this stuff.
I might be able to split the test(...) into 2 parts and 'using' it to force the compiler to understand?
It's in traits.hpp line 154.
With Error C3203.
VS2013 Nov CTP wants 'a real type', not a temporal one, which is struct ret.
 
Uh, which branch is that? I can't find any check_duplicate_signature
 
I'm using the latest commit, "Commits on Jan 16, 2015"
from 'Master'
 
2:39 AM
Yup.
 
That doesn't match the code you posted.
 
I omitted too much, then. lol.
But that's the exact same code as I am looking at.
 
No, I mean the names ._.
 
Oh........
Lol.
I'm sorry, you know I suck at spelling :(
 
Wait. Did you type that code by hand?
lol
 
2:42 AM
Yeah.
Lol.
 
@DeanSeo I'm pretty sure I dropped support for VS2013 a long time ago.
Only VS2015 is sort of supported by @Ted
wtf is Ted
 
What?
Oh
 
@Ted what happened to your hPh
 
@Ted
Phd
 
2:44 AM
his name isn't even Ted
 
Wait, was he hPh?
 
Yeah
 
ThePhd
Ok
..
 
Compiling Sol with clang++ for Windows is pain in the ass.
 
2:45 AM
Well check_deducible_signature works fine on my VS2013
 
GCC is goat
 
What type is it failing with?
 
error C3203: 'ret' : unspecialized class template can't be used as a template argument for template parameter '_Ty', expected a real type.
 
There's no such thing as ret ._.
 
My VS2013 is armed with 2013 Nov CTP.
Wth..
 
2:47 AM
Oh, Nov 13 CTP breaks existing valid code, avoid at all costs.
 
I think I gotta learn how to spell first before Sol.
Lol
struct nat and the compile error is the exact same.
variadic template with T&& doesn't support const T&& on 2013.. damn
 
Hi
 
You know what I ain't gon give up. Sol will widely run on from Windows XP to the newest one.
It will cover vector/map/set/hash_map/etc..
 
2:58 AM
Pull requests welcome!
Luc is haunting me.
 
What's Luc?
 
shudders
 
user3010322
3:25 AM
@DeanSeo VS 2013 fails to compile sol. I have spent a lot of my time keeping it supported by I can't any longer because VC++ is too non-conforming to basic C++11. It works with VS 2015 RC, and should compile just fine with clang (3.1 or better I think) / gcc (4.8 or better)
 
> Can I commulate multi-times in one connection between client and server
 
Didn't know what commulate meant this was the first result: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=commulation
was very confused.
 
3:50 AM
I don't know what annoys me most, the people asking shit questions or the ones upvoting them.
 
user3010322
4:11 AM
@Rapptz You had some concerns about the PR you mentioned yesterday?
 
yeah I'll make comments on github later
 
user3010322
Okay.
 
I'll probably fix it myself
 
user3010322
@Rapptz Someone forked sol and made a number of interesting fixes! github.com/badeiomme/sol/commit/…
 
user3010322
4:18 AM
But they haven't made a pull request.
 
user3010322
I'm testing some of what they've done to see why they've done it, but some of the fixes make a lot of sense.
 
how
it's impossible to get nullptr there
afaik
 
user3010322
int main( ) {
	sol::state lua;
	lua.open_libraries(sol::lib::base);
	lua.set_function("lol", []() -> int* {
		return nullptr;
	});
	lua.script("x = lol()\n"
		"print(x == nil)");
	return 0;
}
 
user3010322
prints false
 
user3010322
Which is a bit strange.
 
4:22 AM
we use a different type for nil.
 
user3010322
Well yeah, it's a userdata, and inside that userdata is just a nullptr.
 
oh
the guy's fork allows that to be valid
I see
 
user3010322
I think it allows the system to be symmetric.
 
user3010322
E.g. if you passed x to a C++ function bound to lua, it'd properly push out a nullptr value.
 
user3010322
int main( ) {
	sol::state lua;
	lua.open_libraries(sol::lib::base);

	lua.set_function("lol", []() -> int* {
		return nullptr;
	});
	lua.set_function("rofl", []( int* x ) {
		std::cout << x << std::endl;
	});
	lua.script("x = lol()\n"
		"rofl(x)\n"
		"print(x == nil)");

	return 0;
}
 
user3010322
4:26 AM
@Rapptz So it transports the "null" properly through ^, but it still prints false after the 0000000 pointer value
 
user3010322
I'm wondering if I can add a clause that allows nil to be turned into a nullptr value of type T.
 
@buttifulbuttefly I see some Korean.
 
One of your brethren
Not a particularly astute one though
 
Determine?
You can't determine your CPU if you already bought it.
Lol.
Ok caffein fix.
I sorta want to ask some dumb questions here. Like "Do you know PSY?"
 
4:47 AM
낮에는 따사로운 인간적인 여자
커피 한잔의 여유를 아는 품격 있는 여자
밤이 오면 심장이 뜨거워지는 여자
그런 반전 있는 여자
 
Too much Korean.
Yawk.
I'd be probably banned permanently from SO if I put that question with lylics
 
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WHY DON'T YOU COME HANG OUT INSIDE MY HOUSE. WE CAN COOK BREAD AND CHAT ABOUT OUR INTERNAL SKELETONS.
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@buttifulbuttefly Yeah I saw that. That project's been a while, as I remember.
 
user3010322
RIP.
 
@Ted I just woke up.
 
@Ted Well, it is a struct, which is obviously not a pointer...what is your point?
 
@wilx nullptr_t has only one value, nullptr. Is it not a pointer?
 
user3010322
@buttifulbuttefly Technically it's not (even by standardese), but that's still kinda shitty.
 
5:14 AM
then what are you complaining about
 
@Ted well, it can't point at anything, nor does it meet any other part of the pointer "interface".
it's an object that pointers are constructed from
 
Actually, in my draft copy it says typedef decltype(nullptr) nullptr_t;. I thought it was defined differently.
 
@wilx nullptr is a value of a magic type with no name. The typedef is in some header or other
 
5:27 AM
@Ted why are you Ted?
you should be ThePhd!
 
ThePhd
 
user3010322
@StackedCrooked Because school is RIP.
 
Good golly chat markdown works!
 
@buttifulbuttefly ooOOoo
 
5:42 AM
Much confuse. I made a new dll project in VS2013, built it, it succeeds... but there's no dll nor lib files, and everything that depends on that project fails to link because those files are missing.
 
@MooingDuck Might be silly of me, but are you sure it isn't header-only?
 
definitely contains two cpp files
 
Also, DLL exports and stuff?
 
no wait, it doesn't succeed. wtf. oh hey, those are errors instead of warnings. Why are those errors?
error C4996: 'sprintf': This function or variable may be unsafe. Consider using sprintf_s instead.
 
user3010322
@MooingDuck _CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS
 
5:48 AM
@Ted aren't those warnings by default though? Why are they errors?
 
user3010322
They were changed to errors in newer versions.
 
that's rediculous :/ But correct: stackoverflow.com/questions/20448102/…
 
omg Mandriva Linux being liquidated nooooooooo
rip in peace
 
@buttifulbuttefly that’s a bummer
 
The Year of the Linux Desktop will never come.
 
5:55 AM
@buttifulbuttefly (Mandriva Linux is the distro, Mandriva S.A. the company.)
 
Luc Pedanton
 
Luc Piédanton <- I may use that
 
Won't stretch
 
user3010322
@buttifulbuttefly What is that?
 
Yet-another-Linux-distro
 
6:02 AM
hola
 
hoop!
 
@Ted It was a popular Linux distro
 
user3010322
Linux... distro?
 
mandrake linux was the first one i ever installed
 
user3010322
So... like Ubuntu?
 
6:03 AM
I thought mandriva was dead for a long tim enow
 
@Ted Yeah, Ubuntu, Debian, CentOS, Arch, Fedora... all those are distributions.
 
Ted? TED? What happened to ThePhD
6
 
@Prismatic It’s in end-of-life. Also see Mageia.
 
@Ted simplified, distro=fork
 
Not true, eg, this is not a distro despite being a fork.
 
6:10 AM
@buttifulbuttefly "simplified" greatly.
 
Well your simplification leads to confusion, congrats.
 
hmmm. msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/b0084kay.aspx lists __func__ as a predefined macro, but VS2013 says undeclared identifier
woo! both projects build and link now!
Gah. I keep forgetting that you need to provide PAGE_READWRITE to make a file mapping object, but FILE_MAP_WRITE to create a view :/ That's just absurd.
 
user3010322
6:33 AM
@Rapptz There's a check_arguments function I have for checking whether the types of the passed arguments from lua -> C++ match. Right now it takes a templated bool which says whether it should do the check or not... should I hook that up to be on-all-the-time with DEBUG, off-all-the-time with NDEBUG? Right now it's just always off.
 
user3010322
VS 2015 Crashed... fucking joy.
 
user3010322
    checker<Tu> c;
    return c.check(L, index, std::forward<Handler>(handler));
 
user3010322
> warning C4101: 'c': unreferenced local variable
 
user3010322
Absolutely retarded compiler.
 
hello boys and girls never mind, there are no c++ girls in this world.
except LRiO
 
6:44 AM
shaaaaa to the unbeliever
 

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