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10:00 PM
spirits goes math, and physics, and i don't know what. BUT THEY DO.
 
Moving objects invalidates pointers. Just like moving cities would invalidate direction signs.
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user559633
Or moving cities would invalidate child support payments.
 
@StackedCrooked No, incorrect direction signs invalidates the city.
:)
 
I as a C++ programer cannot say: Anything or not.
just tell me I am wrong
 
oh wow, I planned to get a new GPU on my next paycheck, meaning next Tuesday
and the store decided to make this huge discount spree today
I could have gotten a GTX 760 for the price of a R9 270
fuck this
 
user559633
10:11 PM
are those types of nissan cars? (lame joke, i feel bad)
 
> I planned to get a new GPU
yes
this really sucks, meh
 
user559633
Is there some sort of "layaway" or deposit option?
 
would have gotten a better card for the same money or saved $60 for the same card
 
soory i am wrong
 
@tristan I don't like to do that kind of stuff
what if there's some issue and my paycheck comes a day or two later?
 
user559633
10:13 PM
Same, I never have, but if it's something you were going to buy anyway and the price makes a difference for you...
 
there's a certain lack of safety I feel when I tell people to save stuff for me so I can buy it at date/time X
 
user559633
I assume that the policy would have some sort of 15/30 day expiration.
 
nah there's no such thing officially
the only chance is to buy it now and tell them to deliver it one week from now or something
but not sure they'd agree
 
user559633
Credit card?
 
12 hours ago, by Xeo
Which is why I don't have a credit card, and I can't overcharge my bank account
^ I think the same way
 
10:15 PM
you're gone laugh
 
user559633
I have a credit card because, at least in the USA, there are more protections against scammers.
 
@AlexM. unless you have an overdraft
 
that's just too weird
 
Sometimes you have an implicit one.
 
I don't like using money I don't have
end of story
 
user559633
10:18 PM
Anyway, you were probably looking for an "oh that sucks" and not a "let's try to convince you there's options." So, oh, that sucks.
 
Indeed, best to avoid it.
 
I'll just buy the thing for the normal price next week
@tristan well, you're trying to convince me a credit card is an option
 
I had a prepaid "credit card", but it would charge 3€ each month...from itself. so if I wanted to keep 50€ on it so I could order crap from amazon.co.uk, I'd have to put 3€ back on it each month. too silly for me :p
 
which means you're trying to convince me it's a good idea to just go today and somehow make a credit card (I don't have one, I thought it was obvious), and use it to get a GPU
 
user559633
@AlexM. Which is why I said "anyway."
 
10:20 PM
Credit cards are very useful to have in case of emergency though.
I suddenly found myself with no job and nowhere to live, credit card stopped me from becoming homeless and I managed to find a new job quick enough thanks to it.
 
if only the other store were to retaliate with its own discount
buuuut... it's that one that made the first discount
and the current store is retaliating
(there are only 2 major hardware stores in Romania)
@OMGtechy I guess
I'd ask family for help then
 
It was family that put me in that situation sadly.
 
a family is more malleable than a bank
dang
 
I think it's good to have one just in case, but only use it when you really need to.
 
once I switched workplaces I also switched banks because of requirements
I think I got a debit card by default
never really cared to ask
 
10:23 PM
Really? The only place I've found that was the case was when I looked at working for a bank.
 
I think a colleague asked, or maybe I'm remembering wrong
@OMGtechy was that for the debit card or the requirements?
 
Requirements of the job
You must bank with them
 
each company chooses its own bank to deliver salaries through
at least that's how it works here, in most cases
 
Not here at all.
 
I have 3 bank accounts right now
only using one
gotta close some
 
10:25 PM
Well, over here you just give you account details and the money is transferred, regardless of the bank they use. The bank is literally the only place I've heard of such things happening.
 
interesting
 
Typically, you'll have one bank account and stick with it for most of your life.
Unless some salesman convinces you otherwise.
 
it's not really just for the big companies here
even the tiny startup I used to work for forced me to use a particular bank
 
That would be considered madness here hha
 
user559633
Same here in the US.
 
10:26 PM
actually, there was this offer for college students to get discounts on whatever, I don't remember that well
 
@tristan considered madness or you have different banks?
 
it was initiated by a bank and the only way to get it was to open an account with them
so even colleges ~persuade~ you to use a particular bank
 
@AlexM. here you just take your student ID with you, regardless of bank.
 
by constantly advertising such offers
@OMGtechy ok, that settles it
Romania is ruled by banks
 
Indeed haha
 
user559633
10:28 PM
@OMGtechy considered madness to be forced to bank with a particular company.
 
lol this is really weird to hear
 
Mmm. I can understand if you're looking at working for a bank though, but otherwise...madness.
 
I thought it was like this everywhere
 
user559633
i use 3 different banks. one for checking/savings, another for my business, and a third in case my primary account gets locked for whatever reason
 
10:29 PM
there are some advantages I guess... uhhh
whenever I want to discuss something related to my bank account I just call the representative for my company
and she'll come to my workplace to discuss with me
 
That sounds nice.
 
I can't think of any other advantages, but there must be some
... I hope
 
Here it depends on the company about how you get in contact, but having someone in the company representing them would also be madness.
@AlexM. probably something to do with fees for paying salaries or something
 
user559633
It only benefits the banking industry @AlexM.
 
@OMGtechy yeah but that's the company's advantage
 
10:31 PM
Well, this has been a lovely cultural learning experience. I had no idea things like this even existed.
 
I was also forced to contribute towards a private medical insurance instead of the usual state insurance
 
user559633
you can force most US banks to "eat" most business fees because of competition.
 
user559633
e.g. I don't get charged for business checks because I could just take my money and go to a competitor.
 
Place I'm looking at working for next have an optional private healthcare thing, think I'll go for it considering the price though.
@tristan and this is why you love a free market
 
user559633
The US doesn't have state insurance unless you don't work, in which case, you get it for free or near free.
 
10:32 PM
And why monopolies are bad
@tristan really? I thought you were fucked if you didn't have insurance in the USA
 
I got this fancy card from the private healthcare company thingy
 
We have the glorious NGS.
NHS*
 
user559633
@OMGtechy you are, but I'm covered under my girlfriend's insurance, so I don't pay for my "own" insurance
 
I think I can use it to get access to services tailored to the amount of time I spent in the company
 
user559633
And you're only fucked if you get sick (don't get sick if you don't have insurance)
 
10:33 PM
I forgot what those things are, but I hope that I can go there if I ever get sick
 
user559633
Also, I'm in NYC, so I won't be going to a crappy public hospital.
 
@tristan what about the "in case you don't work" thing?
 
user559633
You have to be a particular type of non-worker @OMGtechy, like unemployable/on state welfare.
 
@tristan in Romania state stuff is still considered preferable to private stuff
especially for education
 
@tristan well that's better than I thought
 
user559633
10:34 PM
If you're just temporarily in a bad place (like as a dev), you better not get seriously sick.
 
user559633
America takes care of the long tails in both directions: its very poor and its very rich.
 
user559633
@AlexM. yeah, that's not america at all.
 
Gotta love the NHS.
 
user559633
If I got shot, I would refuse to go to a public/state-run hospital in NYC.
 
@tristan I know, your education is also expensive as fuck
 
10:35 PM
@AlexM. it is here too
 
user559633
I'd either go to a private hospital or ask for a bottle of whiskey and a knife to do it myself.
 
free state college is free in Romania
 
I'm expecting a kid, but don't want them to go to a private school. Ever.
 
as in, no debts
no nothing
you only pay if your grades suck
and even then, it's pretty cheap
 
That's good
 
10:36 PM
buuut I guess you could also say
 
Here, you get your first level 3 course free (after leaving school stuff). After that, there's government backed loans that you only have to pay back when you're earning over a certain amount.
 
that since those free seats in college are already paid by the state
you're essentially paying for them with your contribution to the state
 
This is true.
But that's true for any free service really.
 
yeah
 
user559633
At least you get utility from your taxes.
 
10:37 PM
@tristan what?
 
user559633
As a non-driving, childless, upper-income worker in the US, I get very little service from the taxes I pay.
 
What do you mean by utilities though?
We don't get free electricity if that's what you mean.
 
user559633
I know you don't.
 
user559633
Utility == usage of
 
user559633
e.g. decent state schools, health insurance, etc
 
10:41 PM
Ah. Well, you get state schools, public healthcare which covers almost everything, the welfare state, road maintenance, police and fire services. Can't think of anything else
People get quite angry when the NHS doesn't cover something
Like new cancer treatments etc
 
user559633
Alright, I'm off. Take care all
 
Adios
 
11:05 PM
For a sec, I thought I was in the wrong room. Since I didn't recognize anybody until I saw Alex M. lol
 
@Mysticial You are in the wrong room. Alex isn't really here (neither you nor Alex M--and neither am I).
 
@JerryCoffin Who are you?
 
@Mysticial I have no idea.
 
fuck
 
11:12 PM
@JerryCoffin I'm still standing... (barely)
 
Ell
Evening all
I've been accepted as a code mentor woo
 
Good evening y'all.
 
@JerryCoffin inb4 the who
yup
 
@Sofffia It just had to be.
Though fairness, of the times I saw them live, I'd say the Quadraphenia concert was the best.
 
11:29 PM
God I want a 3D printer
Too bad they're expensive as crap.
 
@Nooble ...and just in case you didn't realize it, pretty darned slow if what you're making is very big at all.
 
Yep.
They have 3 in my high-school
I heard you just need to ask to use 'em
But it would be an overnight thing.
 
Ell
Most take hours
Just ask :)
 
I'm tempted to 3D print a flute
Should work on a smaller scale I think
 
@Nooble Don't bother, good flutes are cheap as fuck.
 
11:38 PM
@Nooble Times have changed. When I was in high school I think it was my senior year when they first got a computer (with no printer, and nearly no clue of how to use it).
 
Couple of grands max.
Like < 4000$
 
Ell
You think that is cheap?
 
"Cheap as fuck"
Obv
 
Ell
You can get a baby grand for 3 time that
 
Well, compared to basically every instrument but recorder.
 
11:40 PM
The triangle is an instrument
 
You can get a decent flute for like 1.5k$.
 
Cheap as fuck?
 
@Nooble Buy a whole percussion set, have fun :P
 
user1646075
@Nooble i'd like to hear a plastic triangle
 
Me too
Better go 3D print it
 
11:42 PM
Also, don't under estimate playing the triangle.
 
Don't tell me that you can actually like
Play notes
 
It usually is part of some some percussion part.
Having the right instrument in your hand all the time is not easy.
 
user1646075
@BaummitAugen it's good training for cowbell
 
And triangles tend too spin and are always solo.
Cowbell is always solo too.
 
My computer is 1.5k
 
11:45 PM
If you want to be safe, buy a cheab violin for 1k$ and hide in 2nd violin.
 
Is it also cheap as fuck?
Hehe
I have a piano
 
@JerryCoffin You are lucky to have seen them live; multiple times.
 
It is a pretty good PC for sure, top end.
But it is hard to get a decent music instrument for that price for sure.
 
I wonder why brass instruments cost so expensive
Or instruments in general
 
@Nooble There are just few manufactures who make decent instruments.
 
user1646075
11:48 PM
@Nooble near hand made, low production runs
 
When I used to take band as an elective, they said if I dropped the saxophone I would end up paying $600
And it was an old sax
1987
And it was old rusted
 
user1646075
@Nooble so, interested in flute... Tell me, that one time, in band camp...
 
I'm not too interested in flute, just thought it would be the easiest to 3d print
I am good with piano however
Or proficient anyways
 
user1646075
@Nooble i made one out of bamboo once. Very Easy.
 
Don't get me wrong, you can make not-music on bad instruments.
 
11:50 PM
A PIANO?
 
It's just hard as fuck.
 
Oh nevermind.
Lulz.
 
user1646075
@Nooble yeah! it was for playing traditional chinese baroque sonatas
 
*not-terrible
 
user1646075
Hey /^..fff..$/, how did you go with that CSV file that sounded a lot like not CSV?
 
11:53 PM
@aclarke There is no chinese baroque, baroque is european.
 
user1646075
@BaummitAugen i know many chinese that would argue with that. After all, they virtually invented the piano
 
Ther was some pentatonic music in china, but that was not baroque.
@aclarke They might have invented the instrument, but not the baroque "style" of music.
 
user1646075
lolz
 
It was the "first" (european renaissance kinda was the base) school of music that made use of the cadence in a modernsense.
 
Ell
baroque originated in a hang yueng region of China around 1300 BC from my sources
 
user1646075
11:59 PM
@Ell Thankyou. I was looking for that reference.
 
Ell
@aclarke bad news :(
 

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