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user1646075
12:00 AM
until then, at least you have the lounge for heart-warming connection and occasional intimacy.
 
@Ell I'm pretty sure hanging out here qualifies as evidence that you should be institutionalized.
Say the word--we'll get a court order.
 
Ell
Haha
They don't call it the lounge asylum for nothing
 
@Ell Who's "they"?
 
@Ell the twitter thing?
heh looks like @Loopunroller took a cue from @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
user1646075
not standing by their words?
 
12:10 AM
no, their avatars
 
user1646075
ohhhhh ;-) thought you meant the 2 deleted messages. Either too pointed or too lame
 
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whoops
 
@aclarke Two deleted messages in a row is pointedly lame. One is awesome though! :-)
 
user1646075
exactly!
 
Ell
I'm not sad about being lonely but I am agitated!
 
12:12 AM
huh
 
Ell
It makes me feel very uneasy and frustrated
 
user1646075
@Ell trembling hands? that could turn out to be a solution
 
Ell
And idk what to do. I guess I could go out and try to meet people
 
@Ell Are you sure you're agitated about being lonely, and not just lonely in your agitation?
 
Maybe you have parkinsons
 
user1646075
12:13 AM
@Ell hmmmm - you could hook up with Alex M.
 
fuck LoL players at solo queue
fuck them
 
@BartekBanachewicz I gave up on LoL for that very reason
 
@aclarke Definitely need to address messages like that to specific people...
 
@Borgleader basically 5v5 or gtfo
 
user1646075
@JerryCoffin not sure why you think this, but I'll play along
 
12:16 AM
@aclarke @rightfold is @AlexM. 's waifu
 
user1646075
@Borgleader oh you kids
 
user1646075
avatars obviously need to include this information. Tech support!!!!
 
@aclarke Because my wife (for one example) would probably think it was about me unless otherwise specified.
 
user1646075
i find that hard to believe but each to his own. The transcript flow suggests otherwise.
 
@aclarke If you think women's beliefs are affected in any way by mere facts, I can only guess you're single. :-)
 
user1646075
12:24 AM
@JerryCoffin if you think it's my problem when other people have defective thinking that effects their emotions, I can only guess you let it become your problem. Furthermore, I don't think it's appropriate to blame faulty reasoning or poor judgement on being female.
 
@aclarke Of course it's your problem. I don't want to take the blame, so it must be!
 
@Borgleader Please don't feel the tro....oh wait, I'm the only semi-trolling this time. Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends. We're so glad you could attend. Come inside, come inside. Welcome back, the show's about to start. Guaranteed to blow your head apart!
[With apologies to Emerson, Lake and Palmer, of course.]
 
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user1646075
pity the trolling was too obvious.
 
user1646075
12:38 AM
@JerryCoffin whoops, that's for you. don't want any misunderstandings
 
@aclarke It worked well enough for a few minutes.
 
user1646075
@JerryCoffin ya think?
 
user1646075
i am occasionally talking to real people here, sorry about the delays.
 
user1646075
borg kinda spoiled it drawing attention. Shame.
 
@aclarke Negative...negative...negative. Primitive...primitive...primitive. Oh no. I'm stuck in Karn Evil 9. Help!
 
user1646075
12:43 AM
mmmm prog rock. exactly what I was listening to in my youth.
 
@aclarke well ELP is a dead giveaway
 
user1646075
@CaptainGiraffe don't let the iTunes people hear you saying that. U2 is bad enough
 
Really UNIVERSAL Serial Bus. Not Universal BS anymore.
Good morning.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Dead? Really? I thought they were all still alive.
 
user1646075
@MarkGarcia ooooo - and, good morning.
 
user1646075
12:57 AM
@JerryCoffin wishful thinking on his part
 
user1646075
or just waiting out the inevitable
 
1:08 AM
@aclarke I suppose it is inevitable. They might easily outlive me though...
 
user1646075
@JerryCoffin possibly preserved by the chemicals they ingested. Frightens me to see Keith Richards, Iggy Pop, et. al. still kicking on.
 
user1646075
wait, i haven't missed today's news, or anything like that....
 
@aclarke Keith Richards already looked pretty close to dead 30 years ago. Wonder if he may not have been zombified a few decades ago or so...
 
user1646075
All clear on the Google News front. Is this like checking the obituaries over morning tea?
 
user1646075
@JerryCoffin I think Death is actually scared to touch him, in case it catches something.
 
1:23 AM
lol wtf?
-1
Q: Relationship advice

CoolbanazThere is this guy that likes me or (loves me , thats what my best friend say) and he is friends with my bestfriend's boyfriend He thought I was cute so he started talking to me (I'm in high school I'm a sophomore and he's a junior My bestfriend would take off guard snapchats (short videos) of m...

 
I like the irony of how nvidia "proved" the moon landing by simulating it.
 
- hahaha
 
@Mysticial I remember a couple of questions like that in the old MSO.
 
user1646075
@Mysticial my brain hurts.
 
user1646075
quick, jerry, trolling must be done!
 
user1646075
1:28 AM
would it be inappropriate to say it means nothing unless he tries to stick a finger in?
 
user1646075
haha it's gone.
 
@Mysticial Do all flags go to the mods or is it just the "Others" option.
 
Mods can see all of them regardless, but "others" is exclusive to mods.
 
Oh thanks.
Sometimes I flag things just for the lulz messages, but of course those are stuff that really need to be flagged.
 
 
1 hour later…
2:51 AM
Why do I have to initialize the variable before the do in a do-while in a nested statement?
Like during our test I was doing do {} while (A < 5) and when it was nested it had to initialize the variable and declare the value inside the statement. Why do I need this?
do you know Jerry>
 
user1646075
@Chantola careful... more information - dump a sample on coliru.stacked-crooked.com
 
user1646075
put up the stuff that is not working
 
You see how I have A = 0, B = 0, and C = 0 in the loop>
If I don't include that, it skips the code until the last while loop.
why is that?
 
3:06 AM
@Chantola A do loop doesn't have anything like a for loop does to declare a variable with the same scope as the loop itself (e.g., for (int i=0; ...). Therefore, your only choices are to declare it inside the loop or outside the loop. If you declare it inside the loop, it goes out of scope at the closing brace of the loop, so you can't test it in the loop condition. Therefore, if you're going to use it in the loop condition, it must be declared outside the loop.
 
user1646075
ie if the decs were inside the { } of the do-while, they lose existence by the time of the (a < 5) test
 
user1646075
yeah, what he said
 
user1646075
does that all make sense?
 
user1646075
do-whiles are far less commonly used than for and plain while. Main problem is they WILL run once regardless of whether you want them to or not. FORTRAN was legendary for that fault in it's FOR loops, even if the bounds suggested it should execute zero times....
 
sorry, I was taking a geometry test.
 
user1646075
3:13 AM
... so ... hence the delayed response? no problem...
 
yeah...
@JerryCoffin Ok I get that jerry but what's the difference if I declare it at the start of the equation instead of in the loop? Why is it mandatory?
 
user1646075
i'm currently eating chicken 'n cucumber... excuse the greasy fingers
 
user1646075
@Chantola show what you mean exactly?
 
int A, B, C, D, E, F;
A = 0;
B = 0;
C = 0;
D = 1;
E = 0;
F = 0;
why can't I just use that, not declare them a second time?
I know I don't have to declare them a second time, it's unnecessary and bad coding style, but what I meant was why does it matter If I declare it before the expression or in the loop
 
user1646075
your sample doesn't show a second declaration. There's a few redundants in your code but it's not far from the simplest.
 
user1646075
3:16 AM
since you're only really using B from the inner B=0, that could be it's first point of declaration with int B=0;
 
I know that.
But why does it matter where i declare it's value?
Why does my code turn faulty if i don't have the inner int B = 0??
 
Yay for variable shadowing
by the sounds of things
 
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lookin....
 
@OMGtechy we all gotta learn somewhere.
 
user1646075
i'm doing a simplified rewrite. stand by
 
3:18 AM
np
 
@Chantola indeed, although FYI (not sure how experienced you are, so forgive me if you know this), it's generally a good idea to avoid variable shadowing in the first place
 
I know that Omgetchy,
 
user1646075
guys, take over, gotta go for 10
 
glad to hear it @Chantola
 
3:23 AM
and for my experience, I worked with Javascript on Codeacademy 3 years ago, didn't get anywhere far, then I worked with Python starting 3 months ago, got into the basics of looping, but decided upon not pursuing it because It wasn't a useful language (if you know what I mean) And then I decided to take the college course for it. In middle school. Yippe.
This is the 6th week in our course.
Anyways, I almost failed the test because I didn't know that I needed to declare the variables IN the loop.
Oops, I decided to take the college course for C++, not python. My bad. Can't edit it.
 
Ah cool
Well you're welcome to ping me anytime if you need a hand
 
I was wondering why I had to declare values for the loop variable IN the variable. Why is that?
 
I hang around on GDSE, C++ and C# chat
 
nice.
 
@Chantola show me a simple example of what you mean
 
3:27 AM
coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/11004735d4331ba6 you see how he declares B = 0 and C = 0 in the loop?
Why can't I just do it before the loop, like I usually do.
Simplified, Why can't I do this coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/de82beabd9b0f758
 
If it was declared outside the loop, the value from the last loop iteration would still be there
Oh
Let me show you a little example
 
ok :p
 
I am tired btw, so forgive me if I misunderstand the problem (it's 04:30 here)
 
:O
A.M?
dang...
 
Is this what you're asking about?
and yes, AM @Chantola
 
3:36 AM
nope.
It's a tad different.
 
You're asking why you have to assign them to 0 in the first place?
 
I'm asking why you have to assign it IN the loop.
Why I can't assign it before.
Sorry If I'm making no sense.
 
For B and C?
 
If the variable is in scope, you can assign it wherever you want.
 
@HWalters yes
 
3:38 AM
Because if you don't it'd still be the last value it had--which was the exit criteria when it looped around the first time
Then it'd just do nothing
 
@OMGtechy I can, but It ignores the first two while loops .
@HWalters not sure exactley what you mean?
 
Print out the value of the variable right after you assign it, then rerun the program so you can see what it does
Then comment out the assignments in the loop, and leave the print statement in, and run it again
If that makes sense
 
user1646075
@OMGtechy BINGO - someone spots the issue. missed that....
 
@aclarke I don't know what I did, but I'm glad I helped :D
 
(by print statement of course I mean std::cout)
 
user1646075
3:41 AM
@OMGtechy the old value of 5 would be around, and he'd get a degenerate one-pass through the do-while, so his ultimate count would reach about 12 or something
 
Ah ok
Scope bitches
 
user1646075
now which coliru was I editing.......
 
user1646075
here 'tis with what I think Chantola means - 12 was a good guess
http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/20497e57ffef4ca6
 
user1646075
you'll probably use more do-while loops in tutorials than in real life! This is a good exercise to show the issues associated with them. A clear need for a real do-while only turns up occasionally, and mostly when the condition is a real test (e.g. do { blah; blah; blah; } while (fubar()); rather than something like A < B
 
@aclarke I used one for the first time in years today
 
user1646075
3:51 AM
@OMGtechy heh - congratulations! that's always a notable event
 
Indeed :P was for getting user input and validating it
 
user1646075
@OMGtechy hope eof() isn't an issue for you! I remember a simple console IO in strict Pascal was a shit-fight...
 
do
{
   // prompt for input
   // get input
} while(notValidInput)
@aclarke na it's console input
 
user1646075
@OMGtechy needs more widgets ;-)
 
hahaha
Scott Meyers agrees with you
 
user1646075
3:54 AM
good ole' helmet-head
 
Ever picture of him looks like it's from 20 years ago
Anyway, I must go, as it's 5am here and I should really sleep
toodles
 
Good... night? OMGtechy
 
user1646075
oh yeah, googles is showing one that looks more current and without the Bold n the Beautiful 'do
 
user1646075
ciao for niao
 
user1646075
and nap!
 
4:04 AM
@OMGtechy that's EXACTLEY what I meant./
@aclarke I mean Aclarke
that revised coliru is what i was doing.
Can you explain to me why I can't do it?
 
@Chantola This was what I meant... coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/caf4d08958ef1a8d
Scroll through the output and see where it exits the inner loop the first time... notice C keeps going. And once B hits the next loop's exit criteria, it'll keep going. You have to put the assignments there to reset them; if you don't, they don't get reset
 
5:03 AM
I can't believe how liberal they are with features.
try
{
    throw new CustomException { Severity = 100 };
}
catch (CustomException ex) if (ex.Severity > 50)
{
    Console.WriteLine("*BING BING* WARNING *BING BING*");
}
WTF that if outside the catch block.
So it encourages more catches with an if in each instead of just one catch with ifs.
 
to my surprise
catch doesn't have optional braces
I find this weirder tbh
class Person(string name, int age)
{
    private string _name = name;
    private int _age = age;
}
kind of cool I guess
ctors tend to be verbose
 
The guys are too feature-happy. Well it's their product...
@Rapptz I find it to be the least weird.
It's kind of nice.
 
FWIW those two features in particular seem like a tip of the hat to MLs.
 
@MarkGarcia this is just syntactic sugar really
a lot of these are just syntactic sugar
I haven't seen anything actually new yet
except nameOf and digit separations
 
user1646075
5:20 AM
@MarkGarcia they're getting excited by Erlang's guards on functions - guards, is that what they're called?
 
user1646075
@Rapptz nowt wrong wi' puttin' the conditionals inside t' handler. Good enuuf for ord'nary folk lahk us.
 
er
 
@aclarke They're (currently) just for catch blocks. But I'm sure there's some consideration going on to generalize it.
And I don't know what they're formally called (the article didn't mention, or I haven't read).
 
user1646075
@MarkGarcia eeeek - overloaded constructors!
 
user1646075
destructors!!!
 
5:23 AM
@aclarke Value overloaded stuff.
 
user1646075
@MarkGarcia more questioning the name used in Erlang and other such languages...
 
Console.WriteLine(filip?.Address.AddressLine1 ?? "No Address");
 
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ctor(int x) if(x < 0) { blah; }
ctor(int x( if(x == 0) { blah; }
ctor(int x) if(x > 0) { blah; }
 
Looks like Coffeescript. :/
 
C++ syntax would probably be
Person(std::string name, int age) = auto;
 
5:25 AM
@aclarke ‘Guards’ is indeed the name.
@Rapptz lol
 
user1646075
@Rapptz needs more < >
 
auto = auto;
 
[](auto auto){ auto(auto); }
 
yo auto
 
5:27 AM
F# looks cool
 
user1646075
@Nican nice - finally the computers write code for us and we only have to wave our hands in the air vaguely.
 
@Rapptz Or default. They don't clash with specials. (or so I think)
 
@aclarke Finally computers wipe our ass for us :P
 
@ProblemSolver And then they have an existential crisis, and take over the world.
 
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user1646075
5:29 AM
with the blower option..
 
@ProblemSolver I wouldn't want a computer to wipe my ass for me. Because it would do it at 4 GHz (4 billion times a second).
 
Actually, I wonder how the paperclip optimizer scenario would turn out for ass wiping.
 
user1646075
@Nican "So you want to take a shit!"
 
@Mysticial You may want to have it done on a different...
 
@Mysticial It's a good exercise for our ass :P
 
5:30 AM
@Mysticial it would be clean to the bone
 
Guys don't use C++ for ass wiping please :P
I think Assembler smells less
 
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@ProblemSolver not much use for anything else
 
@ProblemSolver Why? Because it would also optimize it at compile-time?
 
Oh, SML doesn’t appear to have guards. May not be as usual a feature to traditional ML languages as I thought it was then.
 
@ProblemSolver We don't want UB to do its job...
 
user1646075
5:31 AM
@MarkGarcia oooo - my eyes are watering just thinking of it
 
@ProblemSolver Also, the committee is yet to agree on that. :)
 
@Mysticial Yeah,, optimization takes some energy.. Let's save it for another purposes :P
 
user1646075
@MarkGarcia one would hope it's a multi-pass compiler
 
New to C++18: std::ass_wiper<butt_type>
 
5:34 AM
Guys.. If you want to survive in future being a good programmers start playing with machine learning :P
 
@ProblemSolver That’s ludicrous. I am not a machine.
 
Machine learning is our future universe :P
 
user1646075
@ProblemSolver they've been saying that for decades - whoever they are
 
That's our fate guys, we will be machine ass wipers , lol
sooner or later
 
user1646075
@ProblemSolver i think most of us in here already are
 
5:37 AM
> Oh yeah? My computer can wipe your ass at 5.0 GHz! Not only that, it can do 4 asses at once with AVX SIMD instructions!!!
3
 
You got my points guys :P.
Bb.. The time to write some shit
 
@ProblemSolver Be sure to wipe them. :)
 
@MarkGarcia no toilet paper left :P
fuck
 
@ProblemSolver That's why you need DDR4. So that you can load toliet paper at the rate of 2400 MHz.
 
user1646075
5:40 AM
@MarkGarcia duhhh ;->
 
@MarkGarcia Did it complete the operation? Did it have enough cycles?
 
@Mysticial Hey.. no DDR4 was released(as far as I know) .. You might talking about DDR5 wich was released recently :P
Fuck-22 ..
 
user1646075
oh the L (Levant) in ISIL (after briefly being ISIS) now means they have their eye on Lebanon, palestine and Israel? Happy days ahead for all
 
@Nican Don't know what you mean, but it would probably be more on the sidelines (recon, precision targeting). It's an air superiority fighter after all.
 
user1646075
wonder if Jordanians are shitting themselves yet.
 
5:48 AM
Does faster memory (DDR4) decrease the memory access time?
 
Depends.
There's CAS latency and memory clock.
 
user1646075
@StackedCrooked and keeping up with the ghz speeds of the processors now
 
Then what is the main benefit of faster memory?
 
user1646075
@StackedCrooked avoiding chokes when a lot of stuff has to be flushed out of the CPU caches
 
user1646075
also seems like the chip density will be higher (smaller chips) and lower voltages down to around 1V in soon-to-be-released variants
 
5:58 AM
@StackedCrooked Moar bandwidth!
 
@StackedCrooked The majority of apps that deal with large amounts of data are completely memory bound unless they are specially optimized.
I think my Mini-Pi benchmarks illustrate this pretty well: github.com/Mysticial/Mini-Pi/blob/master/Benchmarks.txt
4 cores (8 threads)
- mini-pi_optimized_2_SSE3.cpp: 674.642 (1 thread)
- mini-pi_optimized_3_OpenMP.cpp 381.771 (8 threads)
 
so memcpy would benefit a lot?
 
674.642 seconds -> 381.771 seconds with 4x the # of cores.
@StackedCrooked Yeah, if the data is outside of cache.
 
@Mysticial wow, y-cruncher is pretty fast
compared to mini-pi at least :)
 
6:06 AM
Or rather, Mini-Pi is slow as fuck. :)
 
dammit, just put soap in my hands and it turns out the water is turned off
my apartment sucks
 
And it's all over your keyboard now?
 
all over the towel :P
Not sure if it would work though.
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah. Still needs money.
 
6:27 AM
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A: Animated GIF as avatar?

Shog9Because if they were allowed, this would be my avatar on all sites:

 
exactly
 
@Mysticial For the first time I love onebox's brokenness.
 
The chat is drug ..
@MarkGarcia right? :P
 
6:42 AM
dammit, I got soap on my hands again
 
@StackedCrooked ... yes,,,
 
@StackedCrooked soap ,, it's kinda sweat hands after writing thousand lines of code?
 
Xeo
7:28 AM
Fuck websites that think it's fine to auto-play their shitty embedded videos.
 
youtube?
 
lol
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked ... no
 
user1804599
xhamster
 
@chmod711telkitty Good news..
Old news*
Something more creepy
 

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