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7:00 PM
That means that a lot of innocent people also end up in jail.
 
@Sofffia no it doesn't. it could be that they only take people to court when they are very sure they committed the crime.
 
Yeah, it could be.
Hard to believe though.
 
Anyone know why this fails to compile? (I'm a total noob when it comes to C#..)
 
> In their paper ("Why Is the Japanese Conviction Rate So High?") they examined two possibilities. One is that judges who come under the control of central bureaucracy are pressured to pass a guilty verdict, ensuring high conviction.
> Another possibility is that, given that the non-jury system under inquisition system has predictable ruling on guilt, Japan's understaffed prosecutors working on low budgets only bring the most obviously guilty defendants to trial, and do not file indictments in cases in which they are not certain they can win.
 
7:04 PM
@StackedCrooked Set the target to 4.5
C#'s version is 5.0 I think
 
@Sofffia Given the number of judges who've been arrested and quite clearly tortured into confessing to crimes if they didn't deliver guilty verdicts, the former explanation seems to have fairly strong support.
 
@CatPlusPlus 6.0 will be released with VS"14"
 
$ env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo testing"

vulnerable
testing

$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get upgrade

The following packages will be upgraded:
bash
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

$ env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo testing"

bash: warning: x: ignoring function definition attempt
bash: error importing function definition for `x'
testing
woop woop
 
7:10 PM
hey
 
@CatPlusPlus that's old, right. mcs centralized latest for a good number of releases now (also, was it dmcs>gmcs>mcs ir gmcs>dmcs>mcs;)
 
vOv
Also hell knows what ancient version he installed there
 
@dolan You deciphered it!
 
There's some switch missing for newest language version but I'm not using mcs so vOv
 
7:12 PM
lol the new iPhone is bendy like fuck youtube.com/watch?v=znK652H6yQM
 
derp "Starting with Mono version 2.11 a new unified compiler mcs is available." is on that page I'm bad at reading
 
FP is ever the popular topic for Boost audiences. I tend to think the presentations are frequently a bit meh. Except the exceptions
 
@AlexM. Wow that thing is huge.
Yes, she said that.
 
@sehe So its a risk.
 
@AlexM. Quality Apple hardware whistles
 
7:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
I wonder when the size will stop increasing
 
new iphone brick
 
@Tommy The = is optional, actually. I could not find a quote justifying that behavior, though. — dolan 16 mins ago
anyone know why?
 
why is stuff from two hours ago being flagged now?
someone transcript flagging?
 
@rlemon lightness just woke up
 
@rlemon Guess so :(
They should just remove the non-mod-flag feature now that we have kicks.
 
7:16 PM
^
 
I actually got used to big phones
 
@dolan nope
@dolan you called?
 
when I saw an old iPhone 4 at work I immediately thought it looked like a toy phone
 
@AlexM. She said, eagerly.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh boy
 
7:16 PM
@JerryCoffin wait wut? tortured judges?
 
Has anyone solved the Project Euler problem 15 recently enough to remember the method ?
 
Did you see how the new iPhone seems to bend in people pockets with not to much pressure applied
 
There's a video above.
It also blows up microwaves.
It's terrible.
 
oh, that's fun
 
7:18 PM
An overpriced piece of garbage??? An Apple device?????????
 
this is not Lounge<iPhone> no need to launch into a discussion about some random new piece of hardware
 
It's not random. We pick we our targets. We have standards.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What was your method ? I came up with a math formula that only needs a factorial function but no more algorithmic stuff
But I didn't find the correct answer yet =/
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's not just any new piece of hardware
it's the iPhone
 
iTurd
 
7:20 PM
stop it
 
it makes people gather around for pictures
 
@Nelxiost I've never done it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Don't understand this as a reply to "Guess so :("
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Meh.
 
7:21 PM
It should be Saturday already.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Meh ?
 
@TemplateRex Yes--a few have been taken to court with signed confessions, and pretty obvious bruises from having been beaten quite recently.
 
@JerryCoffin oh tortured criminals, but you wrote tortured judges
 
Oh nevermind, I found the answer. But still, it seems wrong to use a formula for it.
 
@AlexM. When the people they're copying (i.e., mostly Samsung, but also HTC, LG, Sony, etc.) quit building bigger phones. Samsung hasn't increased sizes in a couple years now, so they may have already reached a plateau.
@TemplateRex Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Judges who haven't rendered guilty verdicts have been arrested, beaten into confessing to crimes that in some cases they almost certainly couldn't have committed, and sent to prison.
 
7:28 PM
@JerryCoffin wow
sounds like taliban style justice
 
@TemplateRex If so, the Taliban copied it from the Japanese. Japan has been doing it since long before I remember hearing about the Taliban, anyway. Japanese police have truly scary powers--like walk in and search your house with no warrant anytime they want for any reason they want. If they decide to, take you to jail for up to something like a month without charging you with a crime.
And yes, it's pretty routine for people who are arrested to confess to crimes and judges have little choice but to convict, even when they're bruised or even bleeding and have pretty obviously been beaten into confessing.
 
@JerryCoffin but the Patriot Act gives the US government almost similar powers. sneak and peak warrants, rendition, bla bla
 
@TemplateRex I'm not sure it's really all that similar, but it seems pretty clear to me that it's enough to be quite clearly unconstitutional anyway.
 
MURRICAH
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wholeheartedly concur
 
7:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes sup
 
@TonyTheLion I can go one better: I should be retired already.
 
@JerryCoffin I wanna retire
 
@TonyTheLion I want to retire on just 1/10th of a percent of Bill Gate's money. A measly .1 percent. That's not asking too much is it? Oh heck, I'll even settle for only 0.01 %.
 
I want to work until I'm no longer able to.
 
@Nelxiost What?
 
7:48 PM
@MohammadAliBaydoun I was just surprised with the solution to PE 15th problem
 
@Nelxiost The problem is easy if you see it as the number of permutations of a binary string with 20 1 bits and 20 0 bits
 
Yeah that is exactly what I did, and the answer is given by a formula
Not much programming goes into that
 
binomial 40 20, right?
 
@melak47 Are you joining us on Tuesday?
 
yeah
 
7:54 PM
Cool.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Yes
Actually, I tried PE some years ago, but didn't have enough knowledge to solve it that way. And I failed to find an algorithm (with reasonable time and space usage).
So now I look at it again and it is too easy...
By the way have you solved the 26th ?
 
user1804599
Just brute force everything.
 
user3010322
RUDP and TCP/IP are the two choices I have, it seems.
 
user3010322
I think I'll just pick TCP/IP for now.
 
> (with reasonable time and space usage)
 
user1804599
8:00 PM
Yes, dismiss that.
 
@Nelxiost Yes
 
Give me a supercomputer
 
@Nelxiost Here's a hint. For any prime number p, the maximum length of a repeating cycle is (p - 1)
 
I guess even a supercomputer cannot solve some of those problems with brute force in less than some universe ages of time (if that's how you say it)
 
user1804599
@AlexM. lol large phones
 
8:03 PM
Just generate the primes up to 1000, and try answers in reverse
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I haven't tried it yet
 
@Nelxiost Sorry, what's the discussion about?
I'm momentarily interested
 
On some Project Euler problems
 
Which one
 
Generate primes, and pick the one with the highest multiplicative order. That's the answer.
 
8:05 PM
Well, I was talking about the 15th at first
 
Use prolog
 
@dolan ?
@MohammadAliBaydoun Yeah that seems right, since non-prime generally have a sequence of length 1
Anyway, I'm on to something else now.
 
> Which is far more lenient than JSON, way nicer to write and read, no need to quote everything, has comments and readable multi-line strings, and won't fail if you forget a comma.
Fucking hipsters
 
@dolan any way, how you been? hiding mostly I (don't) see.
@ThePhD Rudp?
 
@thecoshman Can't respond right now I'm busy being unemployed
 
8:18 PM
@dolan ooooh, very good job!
 
I'm good. Job interviews here and there. Spend the rest of the day leveling up alts in GW2. And eating instant noodles. Mostly.
 
user3010322
@thecoshman Reliable UDP. Basically, guarantees message delivery, but I don't think it guarantees order.
 
ergh... GW2
@ThePhD so just spams till ACK
 
@thecoshman How about you thesinhman
When am I visiting you
 
@dolan good question, when?
@dolan much the same really... starting to look for apartments to buy.
 
8:20 PM
Where?
 
no...
 
That's not an answer
 
it wasn't a question :P
Town, here.
 
I99 has just briefly assisted @MPSCamden search for a female heard screaming on Hamstead Heath. Courting couple located, safe and well!...
kek
 
@thecoshman omg this looks great! when would that be? summertiem?
 
8:36 PM
To compensate all the dickheads who put their iPhones in the microwave or bent their phone, Apple will be sending them all a free U2 album.
lel
 
Has anyone tried GitHub's Atom?
 
I installed it but I didn't use it yet
 
@dolan it's not set in stone yet. Need to see how many people are willing to commit to it. Glad you finally see the pun... you do 'get' the pun right?
 
@TonyTheLion wait, what's the joke
 
@thecoshman Yeah I got it now (you suck)
 
8:39 PM
@dolan I was wanting to back you up :(
 
actually I'm not sure I got it
 
@dolan yes, it still very mac centric though
 
@dolan it doesn't sound like that. it's "allaaaahu hackbar"
 
@dolan the hog would be roasted on a spit...
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb We were talking about Allauth lol
 
8:45 PM
@TonyTheLion I wonder how any iPhones have been fried already. :)
 
@dolan lol it's something that really exists. i thought you were making fun of those silly yellings found in eastern theaters
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb That's a bonus
 
old
 
In shalla
 
user1804599
8:53 PM
clong
 
user1804599
dong
 
In sh'allah*
 
schlong
 
It means "If God pleases"
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun That was my version of Ok!
 
8:54 PM
Overly pedantic.
inb4 jokes about the room
 
@CaptainGiraffe It's also my dad's response when I ask for a car
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Ok!
@MohammadAliBaydoun Don't get a car.
That is the adults response. A car is way too expensive.
 
I'm relying on Meterless-taxis to get to Uni every morning
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I have said "The cosmos have aligned" when things turned out fine =)
@MohammadAliBaydoun Good for you I spent $3000 on myold car last year on service.
It is a $5000 car. I should get dynamite.
@MohammadAliBaydoun How far, and how much?
 
@rightfold shlong
 
9:08 PM
واساب
 
user1804599
شما وحشتناک است
 
@rightfold arab?
 
user1804599
Dutch.
 
i've been writing some code here github.com/Jermim/3D
don't know if i'm doing good, but i made some progress in C++
 
user1804599
Well, let's take a look!
 
user1804599
 
@rightfold top kek
 
user1804599
> sscanf
 
user1804599
Okay, nevermind. It sucks.
 
@rightfold lol
 
some people here said i should try not to use pointers and use vim to write my code, and that's what i did !!!
 
user1804599
9:13 PM
ModelLoader API is very weird and unintuitive.
 
@rightfold sscanf solved my problem in that case
how?
 
Xeo
Yay, new JonTron on YT
 
user1804599
Just make a function that takes a file name and returns Model.
 
user1804599
No need to keep state that way. This isn't sol::userdata.
 
i'm still gonna add some other functionnalities
that's way i made it a class
 
user1804599
9:15 PM
// API's like these are very bad:
class A {
public:
    A(some external resource);
    data_extracted_from_resource_t get_data_extracted_from_resource();
}
 
user1804599
It is much better to replace them with simply data_extracted_from_resource_t load_external_resource(some external resource) { … }.
 
@Bilal the former, very much so, the later, it's up to you.
@Xeo ergh, backlog... I'll get there
 
user1804599
Then it's up to the call site whether they want to cache it or not.
 
user1804599
Don't do caching and deserialising in the same module.
 
i see,
 
9:18 PM
@rightfold KISS :)
 
the last S in kiss is small
 
user1804599
@thecoshman SRP
 
@rightfold same effect in this case. A class that both caches and deserialises is not as simple as it could be.
 
user1804599
If the deserialising API is as simple as a single function then it's extremely easy to wrap with something that does caching.
 
as I said, keep it simple stupid.
 
user1804599
9:21 PM
I AM NOT STUPID
 
user1804599
pirate called me stupid :'(
 
user1804599
I should say that to mom. "Pirate called me stupid!" She'd be like wtf. :D
 
I get's tiring how much I see functions in our code base along the lines of findOrCreateFoo(...)
@rightfold she'd think you're special
 
@rightfold Good books advice?
 
user1804599
@thecoshman I bet the worst part isn't the API design but the fact that it's a Java API.
 
user1804599
9:22 PM
@thecoshman I am special.
 
findorcreate makes some sense ime
 
@rightfold no, the worst part is that there is no reason for it to have been done like that nor for it to stay like that.
@JohanLarsson non when the functions are as beastly as they are
 
user1804599
If I weren't, then I would have the special property of being the N-th smallest non-special person. This is a contradiction and therefore I am special.
 
and when as a convention, what you create is not consistent. Sometimes you make the real thing, other cases it will be deferred so you just make some meta data object instead.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman also command–query separation anyone?
 
9:24 PM
@rightfold dude, KISS
 
@rightfold Good books you think?
 
so much bullshit when all you need to say is 'keep it simple'
 
user1804599
I like how KISS and CQS both boil down to SRP.
 
KISS is not just SRP
 
user1804599
Something is simple if it doesn't mix up two different things, which is the same thing as SRP, and CQS is a special case of SRP.
 
9:25 PM
KISS is more about not overarchitecting tings imo
 
user1804599
FASCINATING
 
user1804599
FASCIST
 
a function that is long and complex can still conform to SRP, but KISS would imply you should break it into 'stages'
 
@rightfold good books?
 
@JohanLarsson that too
 
user1804599
9:25 PM
I'm talking about APIs, not implementations. But yeah I guess.
 
KISS covers it all
 
user1804599
/me kisses thecoshman
 
@rightfold why have multiple terms for the same thing? KISS and use KISS
 
user1804599
Can I be your thecoshwoman?
 
@rightfold good books?
 
9:27 PM
you'd have to sacrifice yourself to declare allegiance to my crew.
 
user1804599
I offer you as many as five emo souls!
 
I just need yours
 
user1804599
I have no soul, for I am a brunette.
 
vOv I'll await the news reports.
 
hell yeah.
 
9:31 PM
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Why would there be news reports?
 
user1804599
The only news reports are about complete idiots beheading people.
 
@rightfold well if you aren't going to make a good show of it, what's the point?
 
user1804599
What would I make a show of?
 
user1804599
You are being a cryptographer again.
 
9:34 PM
oh, I thought you were going to do some grand sacrifices for me...
oh well.
 
user1804599
Yes. Five emo souls.
 
(I'll forgive Oatmeal for spelling Dude wrong)
 
user1804599
"Dood" is Dutch for "dead."
 
user1804599
En inderdaad, Nikola Tesla is dood.
 
user1804599
And Edison was a hero.
 
user1804599
9:42 PM
GE jonge kkvet jwz.
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson They are also required to be translated into French.
 
would you accept that i search for my msg and delete them ?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Potentially new UHC in 15 mins
 
@rightfold In poorly written French.
 
i can ?
 
9:47 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Distance is about 2 kilometers. Price is 2,000L.L = 1.33 USD per trip
 
@Xeo oooh
@EtiennedeMartel we
 
ok this one is funny
user image
3
 
no spirits don't go there for sure
 

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