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user1646075
9:00 AM
@sehe oh ok, I'll pay that
 
@Puppy o_0
 
@thecoshman It's called "Emscripten and asm.js"
 
@Puppy I'm sure you were once able to understand sarcasm.
 
ah, my sense of sarcasm has been owned by all the terrible newbies.
 
there are no bees silly
 
9:02 AM
newbies with more talent in sarcasm?
 
@thecoshman you were trying to send in some controversy. How can you be effective at that if you require the other party to instantly recognize, appreciate and defuse the sarcasm?
 
@sehe just because I said something, don't be so foolish as to assume I will do it.
 
I won't so foolish
If you're too lame to spike some controversy, I'll do it for you
 
go for it bitch
 
overconfident again, aren't you?
 
9:07 AM
she can't help it. It's just that Pirate day is only 3 days away and her birthday was only 2 days ago.
I can see why the brain is in a permanent state of inebriation
 
user1646075
ITT
http://abisbank.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/overconfidence.jpg
 
good job
 
user1646075
also my rtiping skilpkksdlz
 
@sehe o_0
well you've got the confusion sorted
 
9:09 AM
only 5 attempts ...
 
you know, he never made it
 
@aclarke it has to be all on it's own
 
@aclarke onebox, silly. Try onebox and it will work
 
¬_¬ now remove the dupe
 
@aclarke Geez. You can copy and paste a url, that's awesum :)
RIPOSTE
 
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That's just a cow chillin'
 
user1646075
YAY!
 
god damn make me do shit
 
user1646075
also my network. Gotta blame something
 
9:11 AM
@thecoshman have you had your morning coffee yet? It's super effective at making you do shit
@aclarke Just replace all your contacts in your network and things will be better
 
@sehe yes.
 
user1646075
think i'll go for the gold-plated dial up modem
 
people usually do shit in the toilet not in a chatroom on the internet ...
 
user1646075
sometimes it's hard to tell the difference
 
please put that as answer — Pritesh Acharya 24 mins ago
 
Ell
9:13 AM
Morning all
 
All morning
 
Mall orning.
 
user1646075
@sehe ooohhh - reminds me. I was going to start singing "Baaackpack Backpack!" and "I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the MAP!" in the office today and see who gets a brain seizure
 
user1646075
everyone under the age of 30 most likely
 
@aclarke I love the Teletubby spirit, though. I wish I married one.
Because, teletubbies always say "One more time!" when you're done
 
user1646075
9:19 AM
@sehe yeah, a significant other with a TV on their belly. You could watch porn and BE in porn all at once.
 
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Darn. Posting the wrong link.
@aclarke They say that sticking body members in old fashioned tubes is quite dangerous due to high voltages
 
user1646075
@sehe how old are your kiddies? Can you do the Macca Packa song and dance?
 
My kids are (6;8) but they're in luck.
Their parents have some taste and sense of guidance
So the answer is: no (I know enough about Dora form the gifted DVD)
 
user1646075
The Night Garden is in excellent taste. It really DOES bring calmness before bedtime. Priceless
 
user1646075
Macca Packa is my favourite because he washes rocks with soap and a sponge
 
9:22 AM
I'm going to assume that's a teletubby reference?
Of course, I know nothing about those either (except for the "One more time" thing - "Nog een keertje" in Dutch)
 
user1646075
@sehe A show by the teletubby people - "The Night Garden". it's practically version 2
 
@aclarke Makes total sense. Version 3 would be "The Forbidden Fruit"
 
user1646075
@sehe or rebooted by hollywood. Tinky Winky will have a back-story where an uncle messed him up,
 
user1646075
Laa-Laa will be an alcoholic teen star who's singing career was over almost before it started
 
xD You've got the funding!
 
user1646075
9:27 AM
Geez - Dipsy was supposed to be "black", just read in wiki. Fresh prince story line for him?
 
oh, that's interesting, they actually thought to stop you being able to kick yourself
 
user1646075
the what-now?
 
9:43 AM
exam in two hours :/
 
I thought you were finished with that stuff
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz good luck
@BartekBanachewicz get off chat and study a little more ;P
 
@Ell I'm at work :S
 
Ell
ah :/
 
HW replaced my faulty hdd but unsurprisingly cloning it was not possible
 
9:46 AM
but it's hard to think about cross-validation when I have still crypto in front of my eyes
 
soooo, gotta set up things again
 
uh
I think I found a bug in Criterion /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
std dev 39.69 main: <stdout>: commitBuffer: invalid argument (invalid character)
 
10:04 AM
uhoh
benchmarking filter-sort
time                 907.6 ╬╝s   (894.6 ╬╝s .. 921.9 ╬╝s)
                     0.998 R┬▓   (0.998 R┬▓ .. 0.999 R┬▓)
mean                 897.9 ╬╝s   (888.4 ╬╝s .. 910.3 ╬╝s)
std dev              36.16 ╬╝s   (29.01 ╬╝s .. 49.37 ╬╝s)
variance introduced by outliers: 30% (moderately inflated)

benchmarking sort-filter
time                 6.636 ms   (6.530 ms .. 6.790 ms)
                     0.991 R┬▓   (0.976 R┬▓ .. 0.999 R┬▓)
mean                 6.711 ms   (6.611 ms .. 6.895 ms)
branch prediction anyone? (ignore the unicode retardness)
sortThenFilter = filter (> thresh) . sort
filterThenSort = sort . filter (> thresh)
that was the test :S
 
sort-filter has a nasty std dev but a much lower mean
 
I am probably doing something wrong
 
@Puppy std dev looks similar for both.
Mean is roughly 10x more, and std dev is roughly 10x more.
 
really? becuase I see 384.4s on the bottom one, and 36.16s on the top one.
 
@Puppy relative dev is (roughly) the same
 
Ell
10:08 AM
it's been a while since I've done statistics
 
(The weird symbols are microseconds, btw.)
 
Ell
but I can tell you that I got 7% in my statistics 2 exam
 
I can read mangled UTF-8.
7
 
384.4s sounds like a massive std dev compared to a mean of 6.7ms.
 
10:08 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes you must be a hit at parties
 
33 secs ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
(The weird symbols are microseconds, btw.)
 
wait isn't puppy right?
384.4 ╬╝s > 36.16 ╬╝s
 
Yes, and? 6ms > 900µs
 
anyway, regardless of variance, can anyone explain the results?
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh fuck
god damn it
 
They results are similar, but an order of magnitude away.
@BartekBanachewicz Doing sort first can't fuse.
 
10:11 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes fuse?
 
Though doing later probably can't either.
Not sure.
 
well then :S
 
@BartekBanachewicz Loop fusion: map f . map g optimises to a single loop equivalent to map (f . g). Works with filter too, and with them mixed, and with other stuff.
 
> How do you find a blind guy at a nudist colony?
It's not hard.
 
10:14 AM
...
 
anyway, the results are pretty weird
 
@Jefffrey he's just not thinking hard enough
 
maybe I shouldn't be using lists in the first place
6ms for sorting and filtering a 10k-elem list sounds absurdly slow
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are you seriously telling us that you just found out about loop fusion?
 
@Xarn I never felt the need to explore optimizations... yet
 
10:15 AM
How the hell am I supposed to use asio::streambuf?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes with sacrificial goats?
 
ugh is this thing seriously trying to tell me that sorting and filtering a list takes 145ms?
(I changed the size to 100k)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Come over to C++, we have imperative cookies and in place sorts. :-D
 
@Xarn implying that haskell doesn't have in place sorts
 
10:17 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Not naturally expressed.
 
@Xarn what
 
I'm wondering what R┬▓ is supposed to be.
 
Which is why I always facepalm at the "look at how elegant quicksort in haskell is" introductory example.
 
PERFORMANCE IS ALL THAT MATTERS ROBOR HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW
 
10:19 AM
The Jacobite rebellion V2.0 seems to be in progress. Time for another Culloden:)
 
I like how robor sounds
 
Because if Hoare was dead, he would be turning in his grave. (Basically, quicksort is specified as in-place sort, creating new and new lists is workable, but does not quicksort make.)
 
@Xeo perfect
 
it's like a combination of hungarian and some viking language
 
it's totally against the laws of programming.
yes, it would be so totally unusual for people to take an algorithm and modify it slightly for their own uses.
 
10:20 AM
Similarly reapplying filter with found primes to infinite sequence does not sieve make.
 
right, the gods forbid you do that
 
I only use things for exactly the purpose for which it was intended.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I know.
 
I only use iostream for Hello, World.
 
@Xarn Er, why not?
 
10:21 AM
@Xeo Pile of piquant piss.
 
I sense fast.hs
 
It fits all internal invariants of quicksort.
 
@MartinJames please phrase politely
 
It also fits the process: partition the list according to a pivot, recursively sort the two.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pretty sure it doesn't fit constraints on memory usage.
 
10:22 AM
It does.
It's also fast as fuck.
 
it's not webscale.
 
Beats my own handwritten in-place quicksort.
 
@BartekBanachewicz not even the web is webscale
 
@Xarn Oh noes? A slightly modified version of an algorithm that uses slightly more memory to achieve a slightly different goal? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING.
somebody SHOOT THESE GUYS RIGHT NOW.
 
@thecoshman Possibly my precis was particularly poorly phrased
 
10:25 AM
@MartinJames Please. Phrased precisely as your persons present, such phrases present pure piss.
 
Xeo
what have I done!
 
@Xeo pardon?
 
Xeo
*snacks on his sushi*
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mhm, don't you use O(N) memory by recreating the list as opposed to O(log N) (with constant factor of whatever size your stack frame is?)
 
Xeo
@Xarn I think you underestimate GHC's optimisation abilities
 
10:26 AM
^
 
@Xeo ಠ_ಠ
 
Xeo
@thecoshman I made some to take with me to work today :D
 
@Xeo and underestimate the availability of ram :P
@Xeo grumble grumble wish I did that grumble grumble
 
@Xarn At no point do you have more memory in use than what is needed to store the list, plus a logarithmic amount for the bookkeeping stack.
 
10:27 AM
@Xarn That memory is not used by the algorithm, though.
 
Yes, if you write a leaky algorithm, it needs more memory. Congratulations.
 
Xeo
smoked salmon / trout, and prawns.
Didn't have enough time to prepare some tamagoyaki
 
you need a leaky algorithm to overflow the buffer
 
no tamagoyaki? you sicken me.
 
but ... but ... you are always sick anyways?
 
Xeo
10:30 AM
Do you even know what that is? :P
 
@thecoshman Please pardon my provocative prose. I'm presently pissed by protestedly programming in pure C.
.. and I've got no RAM left on my legacy embedded hardware:(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Except unless GHC goes and modifies the list in place, you suddenly have two lists. Thus invoking the algorithm actually takes linear amount of memory as opposed to logarithmic. And rewriting it thusly would potentially change semantics at the call site.
 
@MartinJames parley :P
 
@thecoshman Perfect!
 
@MartinJames Wait, I thought you always have enough RAM. :-P
 
10:32 AM
@Xeo meh, this is the 2nd time I've seen someone look for complicated words for their game, without any real reason whatsoever
 
@Xeo No.
 
@Xarn modifying the list doesn't imply copying the whole list. You should read up on persistent data structures.
 
also I detest eating fish, even cooked.
 
5 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Yes, if you write a leaky algorithm, it needs more memory. Congratulations.
 
@Xarn I inherited this shit. 256 bytes of RAM, 8035-style.
 
Ell
10:33 AM
@MartinJames ouch :P
 
@MartinJames that should be criminal.
 
@MartinJames pip pip
 
Ell
What are you doing with it?
 
is this new?
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Where does the question say anything about wanting complicated words?
 
10:34 AM
@Xarn If the call site needs a copy, a copy will be made. What's your point?
 
@MartinJames did you apply the cyclomatic compression of runlength ten on the main code?
 
@Ell Protocol enhancement. I need another byte from somewhere.
 
That if the call site needs a copy, the in-place version somehow magically makes it not need one?
 
@thecoshman lol
 
@Xarn There's no rewriting.
 
10:35 AM
@Xeo looking for anything other than "looks like this pond has some fish" or "looks like there's some fish in this pond" - "some" maybe seems like overcomplication to me
 
Xeo
@Puppy Tamagoyaki is a kind of sweet omelette
 
obscure != complicated
 
There's only you assuming that unused data has to stick around forever, which is a totally unreasonable assumption.
 
Xeo
@Puppy poor sod
 
@Xeo agreed.
 
10:36 AM
definitely not agreed
perfectly happy eating mostly fruit, vegetables, and cereals.
 
still on a diet ... I see
 
well... I'm surprised to be honest.
I had you down as a meathead
 
Xeo
s/at/th/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, but they have to stick around while they are needed, which is at least until the function is finished.
 
most cooked meats disgust me
 
10:37 AM
@Xarn No, it is not.
 
I prefer soft, chewy, tasty things.
they smell disgusting, they taste disgusting, they have a disgusting texture, they disintegrate in the mouth
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah yes, let me store a delta which most likely contains changes to 95% of everything.
 
They are not needed since the moment they are filtered.
There is no delta to store. The partition operation is streaming.
As it goes through the list, it can destroy it.
 
ah robot
 
You have a constant overhead for the reading head and two writing heads. That's it.
 
10:39 AM
@Xeo ?
 
there's a bug in LLVM where if you use the JIT twice in a row, the second time, it fucks up all exception handling :(
 
hmmm
@Puppy lol, how?
 
@Puppy Twice in the same code?
Or just twice?
 
twice in the same execution of the host process.
 
10:40 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes twice ever.
 
@Xarn Don't look at me, I'm not an LLVM developer
 
Only first person to use the release build can use JIT
Once
 
And does it unfuck itself when used for third time?
 
dunno, second time is enough to terminate the process.
 
@Xarn Have you ever writing quicksort on a linked list? It doesn't need extra >O(1) memory. All it does is relink nodes.
That's what Haskell's quicksort is.
 
10:42 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, but I will have some questions in the evening. (Gotta run now)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes As long as it's not referenced elsewhere, I guess.
 
@Puppy Yes, but if the call site needs the original, it doesn't matter how you implement quicksort: it needs the original.
 
but you're entirely right that this has nothing to do with Haskell.
 
URGH youtube player steals j and k even though it's in another tab
 
The only difference is that in Haskell you can assume all your inputs are discardable, and if they're not the compiler will fix it.
 
10:46 AM
@MartinJames What monster made you program with 256 bytes of RAM
 
Ok, if all inputs are implicitly discardable (and discarded accordingly by compiler), I stand corrected.
 
Xeo
@MohammadAliBaydoun money
 
Ell
@Xeo deep
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I took the King's shilling:(
 
@Xarn Yes, it's a consequence of referential transparency.
(aka purity)
 
10:47 AM
I am trapped in penal servitude.
 
@MartinJames You have ints declared in there, surely
They can't /all/ be using every last one of their bytes
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun INTS? I have two bits of one byte 'free' ATM.
 
@MartinJames ;_;
Okay, so you did handle the problem correctly
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun There my be a hardware register free somewhere in the peripherals, or summat.
 
Whom do I have to kill to get decent mobile client?
 
10:52 AM
your best bet is to kill the programmer in charge of the current client
 
So, what you're doing is allocating one 'giant' chunk of memory, and treating it like a bitset?
 
and take his place
then write your own client
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun There are no heap managers in environments that constrained
 
Xeo
om nom nom soy sauce
 
lol youtbe
There's one spot in the video that player just hangs on, but it can start downloading a minute after that just fine
Also goddamn quality lockout
 
10:56 AM
I don't get asio::streambuf.
Or maybe streambufs in general.
Can't make this shit work.
 
Nobody does
 

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