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4:00 PM
wab wab wab
What is wrong with whoever invented this
jesus christ
++ goth :: extract history
I'm kinda assuming this is a function
 
I like the comments block a bit though
 
Roh
I just would say that I have proposed a porposal for embedded programmers.
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μ-Stack Overflow + Code Review

Proposed Q&A site for the embedded programmers that programming with VHDL, Verilog, C/C++, Basic, ... and for feedback on projects you're working on, by sharing your code with fellow programmers and getting extensive feedback/review of best practices and etc ...

Currently in definition.

 
even though it's wab lblurbh blerhf
 
Roh
What's your opinion about it?
 
@Roh porposal
 
4:02 PM
Porpoise
I don't care
%aro :: arrow
 
Roh
@CatPlusPlus LoL
sorry for typo
 
Someone wrote this
 
@Roh seriously though it's a bad idea
 
Someone understands this
 
Roh
@BartekBanachewicz Why?
 
4:03 PM
Why is every fucking identifier 4 characters long
 
@Roh Doesn't that already exists?
 
Roh
@EtiennedeMartel Not sure
@EtiennedeMartel Have you seen already?
 
@Roh because there's already SO and Electrical Engineering and I don't feel a need for anything in between exists
 
/- mess,user,users,zing,zong,zung
 
@Roh What's the difference between embedded and not embedded development?
 
4:04 PM
It's a mess alright
 
Is is that unique that it requires its separate site?
 
@CatPlusPlus we should change our names on SO to Zing, Zong and Zung one day
 
Because we already have a site for programming questions (SO) and for code reviews (Code Review.SE)
 
Roh
@BartekBanachewicz But it's common
 
@EtiennedeMartel game developers got their own (terrible) site :D
 
4:05 PM
And in my opinion, "embedded programming" is just another kind of programming.
 
@Roh so what?
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not for game programming.
 
I know I know
 
It's for non-programming related tasks in game development.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: zing zong zung [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
4:05 PM
@EtiennedeMartel actually most of the questions there are about programming
 
Roh
@BartekBanachewicz I think SO really overflowed!
 
@Roh why? What do you base that on?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, but I don't think it's good.
 
@EtiennedeMartel neither do I
right now it's a cesspit of terrible development practices
where sometimes someone actually writes something sensible about game development
 
Cesspit is an accurate description of every SE site
 
Roh
4:06 PM
@BartekBanachewicz SO have a big question rate at each day
 
@Roh Just because you can't use tags properly doesn't mean you need a separate site for that.
 
But seriously I read about this shit and it's literally buttcoin of programming environments
 
Roh
@BartekBanachewicz you don't have enough time to get a good answer because your question would goes down quickly
 
It's amazing
 
4:08 PM
@Roh nonsense. There are separate queues for unanswered questions
 
If nobody answers your crappy question on SO nobody will answer it on a site that does the same thing as SO but has no users
hth
 
@EtiennedeMartel 'Development' != Programming.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
Roh
@CatPlusPlus There are many site similer SO that has been created just for a special language
 
> Its self-compiling kernel, 7000 lines of code, specifies Hoon unambiguously; there is no Hoon spec
 
4:11 PM
Copy harder
 
@Roh what
@R.MartinhoFernandes holy fuck
 
> It may not seem that way upon first glance. For example, we recently looked at Nock, Urbit’s virtual machine. It can increment an integer in a single step, but decrementing an integer requires many steps, proportional to the magnitude of the number.
It relies on implementation optimisation for this :allears:
 
Roh
@BartekBanachewicz for instance:
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Stack Overflow (in German)

Proposed Q&A site for q&A site for German-speaking programming community (Fragen&Antworten Seite für deutschsprachige Programmierergesellschaft).

Currently in commitment.

 
that's dumb as hell
Kill that proposal
 
Also that's not the same thing at all
 
4:12 PM
also ^
 
Also we really don't care
 
why does Ctrl + C close my tab on ConEmu. :(
 
Because you have bad bindings?
 
Oh.
It's made by buttcoiners?
 
hey, a random person with my problem
 
4:15 PM
OMG, I'm starting to think it might be actually not ironic as you said.
 
I don't see how it isn't a ConEmu problem lol
 
@CatPlusPlus Also, "0 is true and 1 is false" is not that surprising.
 
Roh
Can someone tell me that What's the difference between:
 
int main() { return 0; }
 
Roh
and SO?
 
4:17 PM
@CatPlusPlus Definitely not.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes 0 is "no error!"
 
No repro!
@R.MartinhoFernandes Still dumb
 
At least I'm not the only one with this problem.
 
@Roh there's a question there that answers taht
 
Have you tried newest build?
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was from here alexkrupp.typepad.com/sensemaking/2013/12/…
 
4:20 PM
> It's essentially a combination of a programming language, OS, virtual machine, social network, and digital identity platform.
> social network
for fucks sake.
 
And does all of that using only 4-letter words!
FUTURE
It's buttcoinOS
 
holy shit how can anyone be that dumb
it's worse than this OS in x64 assembly about ancient Egypt written by that guy with autism
holy fuck now that I've reread that sentence it struck me that it's really worse.
 
@Roh Programmers is about prorgammers, and SO is about programming.
 
> Nock is basically like JVM code, except for that the entire spec is designed to fit on a t-shirt. The hope is that because all Hoon code gets compiled down into this tiny Nock spec, this will make the system easy to secure.
 
@Roh No. There really is no answer to that question, which is (apparently) why such a huge number of questions (around 70% the last time I checked) on Programmers get closed.
 
Xeo
4:32 PM
> I'm not sure how this is supposed to be scalable or useful.
Great success.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Er, it's not about ancient Egypt.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Please let's not go into details
I watched the whole video and felt absolutely brainwashed
 
@BartekBanachewicz So is Brainwashing as good as brain bleaching?
 
I don't know how I've survived without a reverse-tilted keyboard before.
 
> I found an interesting situation, when using data kinds with type families.
 
4:39 PM
> Many of these ideas aren't new on their own, but are remixed in an attempt to create some sort of a cyberpunk-libertarian-transhumanist metaspace. The whole user experience feels very much like being a character in some sort of Neal Stephenson novel.
 
> Right now the project is only about 25% of the way toward minimum viable documentation, meaning that it's currently impossible to teach yourself the system no matter how much time you're willing to invest.
> There are some vague ideas about how this platform is supposed to be completely secure, but it's all very handwavy and it doesn't seem like they've actually thought this out very much.
it's a goldmine
 
user1804599
This is a goldmine:
 
user1804599
 
heh
you mentioned rewrite to Elixir btw?
how's that going?
 
user1804599
Not started on that part yet.
 
user1804599
4:41 PM
Only the world generation is to be rewritten.
 
Also, is this code on some permissive license?
 
user1804599
Because that's supposed to happen on the server.
 
user1804599
Oh shit yeah I have to add a license file.
 
@rightfold Your goldmines look like honey combs.
Or whatever the correct term is.
Those things bees make in their beehives.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz I added a permissive license now: github.com/rightfold/roggel/blob/develop/COPYING
 
4:43 PM
> Neither the name of
In the name of the space
 
user1804599
lol fail
 
@rightfold what license is that?
is that your own?
 
user1804599
Three-clause BSD.
 
user1804599
I use it for everything.
 
4:44 PM
I use MIT.
 
Elixir has such a pretty shade of purple on GH
 
lol 'celebrity owners'
 
oh I see you use PGSQL for persistence
I was thinking about Redis actually. (for potato)
 
[citation needed]
Also jesus christ that webpage
hahaha media "Glenn Beck Show (x2)"
 
user1804599
4:48 PM
Well, time to port map generation to Elixir then.
 
after 8 hours
 
git push
 
I have finished installing dependencies
 
time to go home.
 
oh god it feels so good
I can work... tomorrow
 
4:52 PM
I think I will work on Turnip today
I feel like writing some tests
 
I read that as "I think I will work on Turnip Day"
was ready to ask you wth Turnip Day is
 
user1804599
I hope OTP supports non-global PRNGs. :v
 
:D
I love the name
 
user1804599
It does yay.
 
I wonder if Lua has any tests I could steal
 
5:00 PM
no.
 
user1804599
for(x <- 0..15, y <- 0..15, do: {x, y})
|> Enum.into(%{}, fn(pt) -> {pt, :grass} end)
 
user1804599
Weeee.
 
@BartekBanachewicz stop being a meany, let git do it in it's own time
 
@Puppy maybe LuaJIT then
 
no.
also I have absolutely no idea whatsoever.
huh
I tried several times to send followup messages but they all mysteriously vanished
 
5:25 PM
Puppy
I love you <3
Aren't you just the cutest thing ever
 
Yeah right
 
Puppy is anything but cute, he'll bite your face off if you're not careful.
 
5:41 PM
Also I remember that guy from somewhere, but can't quite remember where.
 
I have seen him before
 
lol
 
user1804599
Okay.
 
@TonyTheLion woof woof
 
@Puppy Go get him boy!
 
5:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's metric!
 
if by "get him" you mean "continue to exercise your unbounded intellect", then I shall do
 
@Puppy go exercise that at looking for jobs
 
going to
 
user3010322
Time to try to tackle Harbuzz for the millionth time....
 
6:00 PM
in fact I had a phone interview today
and I'm getting some more progress back tomorrow.
 
user3010322
On Linux, there's no happy GUI Git client, is there?
 
user3010322
Oh good.
 
user3010322
SmartGit costs money.
 
@ThePhD no they assume the developers are smarter there
 
user3010322
@Mgetz Whatever makes you happy. vOv
 
6:04 PM
@ThePhD actually it's because linux is so fragmented that if they used Qt or GTK they would anger 2/3rds of the linux development community
 
If a mail server requires a certificate, and you don't have it on your client, would the client then attempt to download it?
 
user3010322
What's the shortcut for opening a terminal in Linux?
 
user3010322
Ctrl + ... R?
 
user3010322
Oh, Ctrl + ALT + T.
 
user3010322
Need that Alt.
 
6:06 PM
Ctrl+Shift+T in Ubuntu.
Or was it Ctrl Alt T?
 
user3010322
Nope, this website lied.
 
user3010322
YOu're right, it's shift.
 
@ThePhD why would you need a GUI for git?
 
user3010322
Because it's easy?
 
terminal is also easy :v
clone, add, commit, pull, push
and merge.
woo you know git now congratulations.
 
6:11 PM
Merging with CLI is a pain in the ass
 
eh basic merge is easy
merge conflicts need a merge tool
 
user3010322
I guess for Fallback Fonts
 
user3010322
I need to learn fontconfig too
 
user3010322
so I can support all the glyphs of the rainbow...
 
> Java is the whore of computers. You fall in love with it, and end up getting hurt
 
user3010322
So many fucking linux tools used to make this thing run.
 
user3010322
I'd never have been able to get this script working under Windows.
 
"Happy New Dick!".
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Pretty sure I'd die of alcohol poisoning before Java became attractive.
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user1804599
6:31 PM
Fuck. I reblogged my own post.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun um, no
there are only two languages that legitimately stood out for me: Lisp and Haskell
because they felt foreign from all points of view
 
Haskell stood out for me too
 
I can't read haskell
it's like an alien language for me
 
That's kind of why it stood out
I went through that LearnYouAHaskell thing
Well, the first few chapters of it
And I never continued
C++ is still my wife
 
I went through the interactive tutorial but when it came to seeing other people's code it was still unreadable; I think it has to do with the short everything
the whole express in a single thingy what you would express in N thingies thing
 
6:35 PM
Haskell has no abstraction_manager though. C++ 1, Haskell 0
Can you free invalid memory with Haskell? The answer is No. C++ 2, Haskell 0
5
 
@rightfold Are you sure you didn't repost your own blog instead?
 
user1804599
@AlexM. You can if you study it for half an hour.
 
> half an hour
half an hour each hour for 50 hours maybe
:A
but hey on the bright side I'm able to parse and write lisp to an extent
it looks like a language for people who are not afraid of boilerplate
 
@AlexM. Well-written Lisp has very little boilerplate (at least IME).
 
I was comparing it with Haskell though
which feels like a language.zip
 
user1804599
6:41 PM
@MohammadAliBaydoun You cannot in C++ either, since it will fail at runtime.
 
user1804599
You can call free on a wild pointer in Haskell just fine.
 
user1804599
@JerryCoffin Boilerplate is super easy to abstract out with Lisps.
 
ergh, for a few moments then I thought I'd start writing a forum
that lasted long
 
this reminds me, I haven't written any lisp in a long time
 
user1804599
@thecoshman rails g forum done
 
user1804599
6:43 PM
@AlexM. Try Clojure. It's worth it.
 
since project euler is back I might as well fire up chicken scheme and solve some problems
 
@rightfold all the more reason not to waste my time pretending to be competent
 
ah yes you did recommend clojure some time ago
let me see what I need to set it up
 
alright how about this
if you refer to a size in a function body, it always refers to the size at the runtime of the program.
else, it refers to the size at the given execution stage (compiletime or runtime), so e.g. in a type body.
hm
 
user1804599
@AlexM. JDK AFAIK.
 
6:47 PM
maybe I should just make the user specify which target he wants.
 
user1804599
And a decent Lisp editor with ParEdit—AFAIK Emacs or Sublime Text 2.
 
@rightfold Shut up and kiss me
 
user1804599
NO
 
@rightfold isn't there a plugin for eclipse or something?
hides behind table
 
@AlexM. For kissing @MohammadAliBaydoun? You think it will sell?
 
user1804599
6:49 PM
@AlexM. Don't know. Eclipse is horrible.
 
let me see what I have installed
probably only notepad++ and gvim
 
user1804599
There's an IntelliJ plugin but I don't know how good it is. It has rainbow parentheses and indentation at least.
 
yeah I was writing scheme in vim
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun such a fucking shame on you
 
user1804599
Learn You a Bartek for Great Sex!
 
6:51 PM
lol
 
Jeff you don't like Lua right?
 
never learned it
 
user1804599
Tomorrow I will add storage for maps and WebSocket-based transfer to client.
 
there are very few languages i don't like: php and c
 
wanna work on Turnip with me for a while?
(I expect "no" so no pressure)
 
6:52 PM
 
i have an exam tomorrow, then i'll to also work on the django project
 
not sure I need anything fancy for project euler problems so I'll use this since I have eclipse installed
 
user1804599
> Counterclockwise is an Eclipse plugin
 
user1804599
Conclusion: it's shit.
 
welp, looks like I'm not using skype anytime soon. Wants me to give it a password again.
 
6:53 PM
yeah but I don't feel like installing new stuff just for some problems
 
@Jefffrey ah okay
 
@BartekBanachewicz what's turnip again?
 
@Jefffrey Pure Lua Parser/VM
 
@BartekBanachewicz i didn't say no, i just layed down my priorities
 
I wish I knew why VS takes so much space, why it requires you to restart your computer after installation and why it has to install things in C:\
it's the only IDE I know that does this
 
6:54 PM
@Jefffrey oh
@Jefffrey basically Lua can only be used in Haskell in IO and we both know how much this sucks
it's a C API wrapper
I wanted something akin to Elm's debugger
And in general it's supposed to be a playground for PL analysis tools
 
user1804599
Here's an example to get you started:
 
user1804599
user=> (def terrible? (partial not= "Alex M."))
#'user/terrible?
user=> (into {} (map (fn [name] [name (terrible? name)]) #{"Alex M." "Bartek" "Jefffrey"}))
{"Alex M." false, "Bartek" true, "Jefffrey" true}
 
fuck you
 
Xeo
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz ;_;
 
6:57 PM
@Jefffrey no, let's not fuck him. That will show him!
 
ahah
 
user1804599
Fuck me please. ;_;
 
user1804599
I am hungry for cock!
 
you already have a bf
 
user1804599
I propose The Great Lounge<C++> Unbukkake.
 
user1804599
6:58 PM
@AlexM. I don't. :v
 
@rightfold he claimed you
 
user1804599
<3
 
<3
 
</3
there
 
user1804599
oof
 
6:59 PM
god damn you guys suck
 
user1804599
I sure do.
 
I gotta say, leaving aside any issues with Eclipse that may exist, installing plugins in it is a breeze
 

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