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12:00 PM
Noun: bee's knees (plural only)
  1. Used other than as an idiom: see bee,‎ knee.
I know, capital offence
 
@VáclavZeman Dogs bollocks.
 
ponies are the bee's knees
 
That picture is literally a bee's knee
 
bees are cute
fat and fluffy and they work all day
 
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@sehe that's a really big bee, or a really tiny camera
 
12:01 PM
@MartinJames nout beats that
 
@aclarke you don't know much about photography, do you
 
unlike wasps
their use in nature is to kill
 
@thecoshman Well, a bitch in season maybe..
 
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@sehe No, i but i think I recognise a buzzkill when i see one
 
@MartinJames kinky
 
12:03 PM
@AlexM. So is ours and that of all other predators.
 
well yeah
I was comparing wasps to bees though
 
androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-edge-hands-519646 If I was samsung I'd fill a patent called "Side unlock" to make fun of Apple
 
bees pollinate stuff and make honey
 
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@AlexM. wasps are kind and loving parents. They do battle with deadly spiders to feed the kiddies
 
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix ewww - look at the side flare from all lighting in the vicinity on that curve.
 
12:05 PM
@aclarke well they gotta keep the next generation of murderers going :A
 
4 out of 5 programmers just shot themselves in the head. — Daniel Kamil Kozar 4 mins ago
lel
 
@CatPlusPlus there is the "forgot my password" for that.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix This doesn't have to leak anything
Just silently fail if account doesn't exist
But display success message
 
May be I didn't read enough from the logs... what is it all about?
 
@AlexM. as do wasps. And few bees make honey in any credible amount.
 
12:07 PM
what kind of wasps pollinate and make honey?
 
user1646075
 
If you can register you can leak the unique email/username/whatever.
 
@AlexM. afaik all bees and wasps gather nectar for food, pollinating by accident as they do. Only a few species, like three, of bees make honey in a quantity worthwhile to anyone. I have also been lead to believe that the notion that bees always die and wasps never do when stinging is not true either.
 
this is the bee I had in mind
Honey bees (or honeybees) are bees of the genus Apis, primarily distinguished by the production and storage of honey and the construction of perennial, colonial nests from wax. Honey bees are the only extant members of the tribe Apini, all in the genus Apis. Currently, only seven species of honey bee are recognized, with a total of 44 subspecies, though historically, from six to 11 species have been recognised. Honey bees represent only a small fraction of the roughly 20,000 known species of bees. Some other types of related bees produce and store honey, but only members of the genus Apis are true...
 
Has anyone worked much with Qt?
 
12:09 PM
@CatPlusPlus I guess I understood, you mean.. when registering you can guess if the username already exists or email is already used to "find out" which users are registered with a valid account.
 
@AlexM. that is but one species
 
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@thecoshman well, bees rip their own bums out to kill the enemy
 
it looks like any other bee to me
yeah I got that
 
@aclarke not all, and not just
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix "Valid" account means everything and nothing.
 
12:11 PM
well you can detect if username or passwords are used... then you could brute force the password
I still think having OpenID auth is much much smarter than login/password
 
OAuth2/OpenID is a great choice.
 
Not sure why but google is deprecating its own OpenID authentication
 
Jeff Atwood
 
Because OAuth2 is a superset of OpenID
 
so it leaves almost only OAuth2 which isn't designed for Authentication...
 
12:13 PM
o/
 
it can be used for Authentication but it is mainly designed for Authorization
 
then wt does 'Auth' stand for?
 
Hah, I have just realized I have found another use for a word from list of "uncommon words you think everybody should know": @CatPlusPlus suffers from galeanthropy!
 
Ell
@Jefffrey Nope
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Incorrect again :P
 
12:14 PM
stupid names
 
Ell
They are using OpenID Connect now
 
> Female bumblebees can sting, repeatedly, but generally ignore humans and other animals.
I like being ignored by things that sting
 
since when?
 
Ell
which is authentication build on top of oauth2
 
@Ell Yupe.
 
12:14 PM
It's not OpenID Eli
 
Ell
@Jefffrey Oauth2 does authorization
 
@Ell and authentication.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey it doesn't
 
It does.
 
Ell
12:15 PM
@Jefffrey hmm
 
@Jefffrey resource?
 
Ell
seeing as we're both adamant let's look at the spec
 
@Ell resource?
 
Well there is a password flow in Oauth2
 
> Google supports OAuth 2.0 as the recommended authentication mechanism for all of its APIs.
 
Ell
12:17 PM
@Jefffrey I still think this is wrong
 
Yeah they dropped OpenID for Oauth2 yet Oauth2 isn't designed for Authentication... it's like requesting access to a resource if you're already logged somewhere else
 
Ell
I think I've found a possible source of confusion
 
Authentication is still processed by google accounts
 
Ell
Google calls OpenID Connect "OAuth2 for Login" in some places
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I didn't say it was designed for authentication. I said that it can do authentication.
 
12:18 PM
it doesnt
well it's more like a sideeffect
 
Why can't I link to a wikipedia paragraph only.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix So, "it doesnt" or "it's more like a sideeffect"?
 
Like a hammer can be used as a screwdriver
 
Ell
@Jefffrey google recommends this for login developers.google.com/accounts/docs/OAuth2Login
@Jefffrey how does it do authentication?
 
the problem with Oauth2 "authentication" is that there is no standard API for authentication
 
> In the case of OAuth, the application specifically requests a limited access OAuth Token (valet key) to access the APIs (enter the house) on the user's behalf (which typically explicitly names the particular rights requested, and does not require the user to enter credentials at all). If the user can grant that access, the application can retrieve the unique identifier for establishing the profile (identity) using the APIs.
> In either case, the access to the Identity Provider will involve authentication to the Identity Provider, unless some session is already in effect.
 
Ell
12:20 PM
@Jefffrey What are you quoting?
 
OAuth is an open standard to authorization. OAuth provides client applications a 'secure delegated access' to server resources on behalf of a resource owner. It specifies a process for resource owners to authorize third-party access to their server resources without sharing their credentials. Designed specifically to work with Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP), OAuth essentially allows access tokens to be issued to third-party clients by an authorization server, with the approval of the resource owner, or end-user. The client then uses the access token to access the protected resources hosted...
 
It doesn't actually authenticate to an application, it just authorize the person to use the service which is much like being authenticated... it's just that you have a token by user
 
The chapter "OpenID vs. pseudo-authentication using OAuth"
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix OpenID Connect
 
@SamDeHaan Nobody!
 
Ell
12:22 PM
@Jefffrey at least you admit it's only pseudo-authentication :P
 
My point was that you can do authentication with OAuth 2.0.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Because it doesn't supply verified emails~ Also having one thing for both authn and authz is just less of a clusterfuck
 
@CatPlusPlus If they made a way to use OpenID trough Oauth2 it might make more sense
 
Ell
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix that's what OpenID Connect is
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix OpenID Connect.
 
12:24 PM
It's all still a clusterfuck but oh well
 
Ell
I think openid connect works in a fairly reasonable way
 
If you have better ideas, please share.
 
I guess yes keeping in mind that many people still only support OpenID1.0 Oauth1.0 and half assed implementation of all protocols
@Jefffrey Obviously we have to invent a new protocol
 
If it's better...
 
There is Persona which is funny
 
12:26 PM
Did they invent a new OpenID?
FFS Mozilla
 
It's not like OpenID, it's actually called BrowserID (which could become a standard browser API)
 
@AlexM. In a relation, being ignored is what stings the most
 
It's like OpenID in some ways but it doesn't do anything else than Authentication. so there are no profile or information shared with the service you want to authenticate to.
 
woah, you've spoken for like ten minutes about standards and not yet posted that xkcd?
 
@thecoshman It's what pirates say when they sneeze. Ooooooauth!
@thecoshman you failed
 
12:29 PM
@thecoshman We all know that xkcd
 
@sehe ¬_¬
 
Posting xkcd is now bananable offence
 
@CatPlusPlus ¬_¬ tell that to feeds
 
cue mandatory xkcd on "bananable"
 
lol
 
12:29 PM
@sehe huh?
 
you didn't post it in due time
 
meh
 
yesterday I made a branch and shit.
 
Xeo
ITT: Puppy regressed to Stone Age.
 
well aren't you clever
 
Xeo
12:30 PM
Or rather, Branch Age.
 
lol
 
@thecoshman I was thinking about it
 
yay, CI pipeline has been tweaked to shit slow ass xml parsing to after the main code has been through testing
 
Lets create a new protocol called PigeonID
 
12:33 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'll forget what it's for though
 
The gist is that OpenID sucks and that's why everyone keeps reinventing this
 
So @thecosh did you quit?
 
nobody reinvents Wide because it's graet
 
It reminds me how "People keep reinventing Unix"
 
@CatPlusPlus that seriously didn't go over your head did it?
@Puppy or pointless
 
12:34 PM
@thecoshman What
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
 
Unix was so great that we all use Plan9 now oh wait
 
I have to do an android app as assignment... I have to do it for tomorrow. Any idea what I could do?
 
@CatPlusPlus pigeons stereotypically have short memory
 
12:35 PM
I have no idea what the fuck are you talking about
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix an app?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Fart
 
@CatPlusPlus ... pigeonID...
 
@CatPlusPlus just did that but it didn't help
 
Oh that nonsense, I just glanced over that
 
Ell
12:35 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix calculator?
 
@Ell ah no, I might do a todo list
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix surely you have some sort constraints, or some sort of topics that you can show you know?
 
database and buttons
 
then do some shitty DB based thing that has buttons to access the data
 
the sad part is that I have a game but I lost the code :(
 
12:38 PM
vOv some sort of assert tracking thing... for books maybe
 
+---------------+
| DROP DATABASE |
+---------------+
Done.
Has a button, has a database. At least initially.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix AKA you don't have a game
 
@thecoshman Butte
 
I have an application that connects in bluetooth to an arduino device and toggle a led
 
@CatPlusPlus ?
 
12:39 PM
Why are you quitting
 
not in the mood for such things
 
Are you pregnant, this is p mood-swingy
 
I'll pick up a kit when I go shops tonight
print a picture of you too, help me focus my aim
 
the vending machine got my energy drink stuck, but the one behind it got stuck afterwards too
so I didn't get one for free
god damnit
I want free stuff
NOW
 
12:41 PM
your aim is to be eternally grumpy?
 
Xeo
here's a free fuck-not-given.
 
as long as it's free
 
... you seem to need to learn to stop using that fucking machine man
 
it gave me 4 free stuffs ever since I started using it
 
influenza is free ... and popular in winter
 
12:42 PM
but these last 3 times it was just teasing me
 
you have gambling problem
 
maybe :(
 
give me a €10 an I might tell you if you do
 
or maybe I just like free stuff lol
it's a bit annoying when you see your thing getting stuck and you're like "shit, I'll get two of them now"
and then the other one gets stuck too
so you don't get anything for free even though you could
 
Give me €100 and I'll give you a word of advice
 
12:44 PM
what, one single word?
 
I'm not giving any of you money D:
 
DON'T DO IT
IT'S A SCAM
 
Gee, fuck, people that can't bcc: fuck you.
 
@Puppy Yes
 
my money are mine
 
12:45 PM
I bet that even Cat can provide one single word of advice.
 
How much do you bet?
 
lol
 
Two words.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, what were you added into?
@Puppy 'butte' isn't advice
 
it's unbelievable i don't have anything sweet in my house
 
12:46 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "fuck off"?
 
i want something sweet
 
Plagiarism detected
 
@thecoshman Not added, just received an e-mail with about twenty recipients in the To: line.
 
@thecoshman I was thinking about something like "STOP".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah
 
12:47 PM
@sehe awww maaaaaaaan
 
@Puppy More like "jump".
 
well, that's not really a reason to use bcc
 
I noticed some patterns with the machine though
 
jesus fuck VS was it really necessary to rebuild my whole project? I only changed one uncommon header and cpp file.
 
It is if it's a message intended individually twenty times.
 
12:47 PM
I think I can predict whether or not something has a chance of getting stuck
I'll optimize my use of it for getting things stuck
 
I mean, yeah, thanks for inviting me but learn to fucking bcc.
 
Ell
what do you call the bit of your calf that is infront of your shin?
 
ankle front?
 
Charlie
 
@Puppy if the header is used by every part of the project... it could
 
12:48 PM
Jerry
 
@Ell 'Air'? 'Water' if submerged.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix It's not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, yeah, in this case maybe bcc was the proper thing. Was just saying that email a load of people doesn't mean you should use bcc
 
> Charlie Shin
lol
 
12:49 PM
@AlexM. you have a problem.
 
> The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
fuck you youtube.
 
isn't it the uploader's fault though?
 
Fuck region locking
 
@Ell Are you confusing "shin" with "shinbone", maybe?
The calf is the back portion of the lower leg, and the shin is the front portion. There's no bit of the calf in front of the shin, bar horrible accidents.
 
12:52 PM
@AlexM. No, it's YouTube's fault.
you know, it suddenly occurs to me that this could get super confusing.
hmmmmm
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah probably. If you are sitting down, and you rotate your foot upwards with your heel planted on the floor, muscle in front of your shinbone is firm
 
even if I were to re-analyze constant-called functions for a new target, having it produce different results to simply using the same expression inline would be problematic.
 
Ell
is this still the calf?
 
only one hour until we can all vote against cat's proposal
 
@Ell No, the calf is only the back of the leg.
 
Ell
12:54 PM
okay
Tibialis anterior
 
It's pretty much just that muscle that connects the back of the knee to the Achilles tendon.
 
I should just ban non-target-independent code from being legal to call in a constant context.
 
@SamDeHaan I'm voting for :(
Unlike with Bartek's when I didn't really care, I like this one.
 
or maybe I could let the user annotate it.
 
Xeo
@Puppy Now that seems rather arbitrary and abstract to the user
 
12:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well of course, I'm voting for as well. That doesn't have anything to do with some good natured pre-vote heckling.
 
@Xeo The problem is that different uses of the size of a type, say, require different results.
 
I might want to amend it later to tweak the values, but we do need such a rule regardless of how it is quantified.
@BartekBanachewicz I'll add mangled UTF-8 to the list of things I can claim to be able to read at parties.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes <shudders> I can't help but think of the 'joy' of being to attempt to run for my life after having them slit. Saw it on some TV show when I was younger, image has stuck with me.
 

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