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sbi
9:00 PM
@thecoshman You mean you are overwhelmed by others smart-talking?
 
It's a Discussion Platform which can be used as a Q&A, Idea and Decision crowdsourcing. Not really the same as SE
 
@sbi ergh, tl;dr find me a youtube version and I'll listen :D
 
But whatever
 
@sbi no, just don't want to hear it
 
The problem is that SO is using an algorithm that is just to simple for people to abuse
 
9:00 PM
@thecoshman It's embedded in the link dummy
 
If that can be called algorithm
 
The algorithm is people
 
sbi
@thecoshman First hit, kiddy.
 
@CatPlusPlus ergh, at the bottom
 
the "problem", such that it is, is surely more about how people interpret the up/down/net numbers?
 
9:01 PM
@sbi hiya
 
@sbi well that's something slow...
 
What about 1 upvote + 1 downvote = 1 upvote then 2nd downvote equals 0 votes? That is just simplified as I implemented a more complicated one
Having 4 choices that are handled transparently
 
@sbi are you not free at all for even a quick pint over the conference?
 
No, plain downvote weighing is not the problem
 
@İnekŞaban Nice :)
 
9:02 PM
Esp that downvotes should weigh more if anything, not less
 
sbi
@sehe I herewith Christian ye "The Binning Polar Bear". You're welcome.
 
Oh. Hope that's good :)
 
First downvote could be provocation, downvote from a troll or just someone who doesn't like that person
 
The problem is not with upvoting, the problem is that terrible posts get upvoted too easily and it's nigh impossible to correct them
 
sbi
@sehe If it's trolls, every slap is good.
 
9:03 PM
@İnekŞaban ...so could any other
 
@CatPlusPlus Then let's change that instead of discussing it? One person isn't that much worth, but ~1000 are
 
Want to fix the problem with voting? Remove the voting, stop hiding voices that correct shitty posts
 
Let's make clear that I'm not competing with SE
 
@İnekŞaban Not if 1000 people know shit-all about the problem
 
That's a good idea actually, we could come at a compromise.
 
9:04 PM
You cannot fix this algorithmically, because it's a social problem
 
i just got another downvote coz someone never heard of the program i mentioned in my question i suppose .... lol
 
Hehe you speak of it.. ^^^
 
No, you got downvote because your post is shit
 
This is also a problem. Why can't you say that in a friendlier way?
 
you try saying it in a friendlier way for four years.
 
9:06 PM
There is no conspiracy against you
 
I know :)
 
There is no voting cabal that always downvotes your questions
You are just a shitty poster
hth
 
sbi
@thecoshman Lemme try to skim over my list... Tomorrow morning I have a meeting in which it will be decided whether I need to move this week. I fear I will have to. (And I am not a single bachelor, but have quite some household to move.) Beginning on June, 2nd, I will have to give a 3 day-seminar for which I have not yet done much. Then is the Unconference. Then, beginning on June, 10th, I have yet another seminar, for which I will not have had any time either.
And that's discounting all the common madness like ex-wives, sick kids, stress at my job, the tenant's fight and whatnot berates me every day.... Do you see my problem with the date you guys picked?
 
@CatPlusPlus lol i clearly said and asked about a program , which he could also find easily by searching the name in google ... but then commend and ask wth is this ? lol
 
user1804599
lol you say lol a lot lol
 
9:07 PM
SO is a large FAQ system whereas my project is more akin to a Q&A but gets mixed in a multi-purpose environment. So maybe I will solve issues that have nothing to do with SO at the end.
 
trololol
 
@sbi so... you've scheduled us in, great :D
 
If you want facts about the question in question: terrible English (seriously, you can spend 15 minutes and make it goddamn presentable, not abuse commas and lowercase I's and shit), more than one question per post, no effort shown (no, nobody will convert your C++ code to VHDL)
 
sbi
@thecoshman Oh, now I get your meaning! You are volunteering to prepare that seminar for me?! Great! Yes, then we can meet at your earliest convenience.
 
@Pedram That doesn't mean they downvoted, or that this is the reason they downvoted
 
sbi
9:09 PM
Why are you even trying to talk to that guy? He's a troll with anger issues. They come and they go. The less you talk to them, the sooner they'll leave. The better.
 
@sbi sure, but your name is on it :P
 
My conclusion is that maybe SE/SO is great the way it is as it's intended to be a large FAQ system, but not surely a pure Q&A.
 
@sbi He came back.
 
@Pedram What usually helps is if you point them at the relevant docs. I agree this can be surprising if people are new to SO, so most often I ask people to clarify, like this:
perhaps you can link to what stp is. Google is unhelpful and there's nothing in the repositories? — sehe May 21 at 20:52
 
sbi
@thecoshman Yeah, so you better do it good!
 
9:10 PM
@DeadMG Interesting answer
 
@CatPlusPlus and that is why i said "i suppose " not Surely !
 
Is not that they are trolls, but they get disappointed by the verbal aggression to newcomers
 
sbi
@DeadMG That's because that other troll kept feeding him provocations.
 
I think ;)
 
Also there's the fact that you can often answer stupid questions like this just by looking at the thing's documentation
 
9:10 PM
Is this still going on?
 
sbi
Those kids here haven't learned yet how to get rid of trolls.
 
Butte
 
@İnekŞaban Point well made. However, I feel you do have some apologizing to do (did I miss it?)
 
ayone got a bigger ninja build file I could look at? /cc @CatPlusPlus
 
@AndyProwl Nope
 
sbi
9:11 PM
 
I will do if you tell me what I should apologize for?
 
@sehe Ah, so it's a new discussion
 
Yup. Looking a bit healthier now
 
@İnekŞaban, where's your github account?
 
9:12 PM
@İnekŞaban Hold on a sec :)
 
sbi
@sehe Oh c'mon! Bin that shit and get out the tequila.
 
@Jefffrey Am I allowed to post it? As per the faq (how ironic is that - a faq inside a larger FAQ :P) I can't post self promotional material
@sehe Ok
 
This is not what irony is
 
@İnekŞaban How?
 
I'm sorry for that Cat++
 
9:13 PM
@sbi what's it on?
 
@CatPlusPlus i did said i don't expect it that anyone convert it for me , i just want to know how to address the ports like i did in Atmel Studio in C++ , but in VHDL ! also i never talk english or type english anywhere , i just chat with friends or in MMORPG ... so my grammar is not all good .
 
@İnekŞaban ...
 
I'll write you up something for that one on the tenth :S
 
@Jefffrey What how?
 
sbi
@thecoshman My private working title is Effective Embedded C++.
 
9:14 PM
@İnekŞaban Yes, you are allowed.
 
@sbi "write no code, and it's a fast as it can possible be" done
 
No wait.. that's the editor it should be:
 
Xeo
@sbi Stealing from Scott? :P
 
sbi
9:15 PM
@Xeo They don't pay well enough for Scott to be interested. :)
 
But I have a lot of commits to do
Many things changed
The name is Jembaz
 
@İnekŞaban (you can edit (press "up arrow"))
 
@rubenvb did you solve this issue - lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-dev/2012-July/023392.html . I'm having it right now with recent clang and gcc4.8.3 =(
 
Xeo
@sbi he has that Embedded C++ seminar in Stuttgart every year, IIRC?
 
sbi
@Xeo Last year it was declared that it would be the last time.
 
9:16 PM
I switched to a pure Redis + Gevent implementation that is assisted by a "dumb" write node
@sehe You're right sorry ;)
 
@İnekŞaban What's redis?
 
I have to make up stories about gathering requests from people then building software according to their needs then build that software then ask them again then make changes
 
Xeo
@sbi oh, I see
 
why do profs torment students so
 
sbi
@Jefffrey It's nothing C++, dammit. Will you stop feeding trolls?
 
9:17 PM
you don't have to be a genius to understand everything is and will be made up
 
@CatPlusPlus I did, but...I don't wanna have to add a rule for every file. So now what, CMake to generate rules for that? blergh
 
@sbi Can't we keep this one for a little longer, dad?
 
Redis is a key-value store that sits entirely in RAM and persists to the disk. Redis will at worst lose the last 5 minutes of work but it's worth the performance gain
 
sbi
@Jefffrey No, boy, you haven't been nice enough.
 
@melak47 yep. cmake or google gyp. cmake is a better choice
 
sbi
9:19 PM
@Xeo IIRC, he takes a 5 digit figure for a one day seminar on site. I am a tad bit cheaper. :(
 
Am I crazy to believe that SCons is a good build system?
 
sbi
CMake is never a better choice for anything. Except for binning, that is.
 
Xeo
@sbi 3500 for the seminar, according to the site
 
sbi
@Xeo "on site"
 
Xeo
oh
crazy
 
9:20 PM
@sbi ok. what should I use instead of cmake then?
 
sbi
@Abyx Anything.
 
@İnekŞaban Oh well. I can't seem to find it now. I'm pretty sure I've pointed it out to you immediately (might have been impossible for you to respond at the time). Also, there's the unexplained "September 11" reference. (Oh, and the "fuck off" message that got flagged, I suppose).
Sigh, I'm happy to leave it be, a rough start if you will. I'd have hoped you were aware of the fact that you weren't exactly all friendliness/politeness yourself.
I do recognize that you tried, for the most part, to stay polite, like me; I was really interested what logic makes people say things like "Oh well, you people must be too (dumb|inexperienced|selfish|lazy) to help me with (technologyX)"
 
sbi
I know for sure that Anything is better than CMake.
 
time for another marathon backup download session :S
 
@sbi How do you expect me to say nothing seeing that you call me troll like you eat biscuits? Really. It looks like it became a trend to call someone who you disagree with a "troll"
 
9:21 PM
$ Anything doesn't work for me
 
I really need to sort out incremental backups :P
 
@sbi I have never heard of that tool before :S
@Abyx hehe, same thought
 
@sehe if it can do what the name suggests, it must be awesome :p
 
@thecoshman BtrFS allows to perform incremental backups really nicely, by taking snapshots, and sending the deltas over the wire. Although you have to setup all the scripts yourself.
 
@İnekŞaban Except, maybe he doesn't even disagree. I'm sure he just responds to the noise and the fog. And, yes, 99% of the time, those are reliable indicators.
 
sbi
9:22 PM
@sehe It's started by pressing the any key.
 
@Nican you can do it with tar easy enough... I just never worried about it
 
@Nican And never run out of space :)
 
@sehe If you noticed I was ready to leave before some guy had the nice idea to keep the thing going and being more and more "aggressive" (I have no better words). I apologize for that anyway, as I saw my mistake here
 
@sehe Huh?
 
but as this back up gets bigger, it's going to start eating up bandwidth
@sehe well every so often you take a 'full back'
 
9:23 PM
@Nican It doesn't keep your data safe it you do
@İnekŞaban Appreciated
 
say, each month, then you can delete those older than say, three months
 
I'm a problematic guy something :/
 
I do agree that people here can be a bit (too) edgy. And that's a shame. It has it's reasons, though. You might find out about that if you stick around in this lounge.
 
oh, @Nican I'm talking about pulling backups of the server, you know, actual backups
 
@İnekŞaban We have many of those in the lounge.
That hasn't, apparently, hampered there eventual assimilation acceptance here
 
9:26 PM
I got in trouble for fighting with my landlord a time.. but it was my fault. From that day I try to control myself. I assure you that I will do the best to not be reactive like that again
 
sbi
@sehe Oh please. People here can be very nice, too. What happens to you when you stumble in for the first time depends on a damn large variety of factors, not the least of which is how you behave. Get him to leave and lets go back to tolerating telkitty.
 
@İnekŞaban I don't consider you a troll. But then again I barely care. Good luck with your project nonetheless.
 
@Jefffrey Thank you :)
 
@sbi That's largely true. I think he just acknowledged that
 
sbi
@sehe I wouldn't know. :) (I was to lazy to slap the fish around. Not worth it.)
 
9:28 PM
@sbi Please try to think about the "Get him to leave" part of your sentence.. it isn't nice to hear that ;)
I will leave by myself my friend
 
user1804599
I’m going to sleep.
 
user3010322
<______________>
 
user1804599
@AlexM. IK HOUD VAN JOU <3
 
Goede nacht rightfold
 
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
Echt een polyglot dan dus :)
 
sbi
9:29 PM
@rightfold Elsewhere, please.
 
user1804599
@sehe Het zal me aan de anus oxideren.
 
@rightfold WHAT
 
hahaha
 
better.
 
sbi
@AlexM. My guess is "I hear from you".
 
9:31 PM
:)
 
@rightfold aan uw derrière, bedoelt u?
 
user1804599
diarree
 
sbi
Oh, so @rightfold is too tired to properly attribute? :)
 
user3010322
I wonder what I should work on now.
 
@rightfold don't think that solves the problem completely tho
I'll keep an eye on you when jeffrey's around from now on
 
user3010322
9:32 PM
I do owe STL that efficient text implementation...
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey shit, keep silent when Alex is around plix
 
jeffrey better keep away altogether, rightfold's <that which must never be named> is all mine
MINE
 
user1804599
<3
 
sbi
Are you talking about RIGHTFOLD's VAGINA?
 
lol
 
sbi
9:34 PM
Just asking.
 
@rightfold Ti amo, anch'io.
@rightfold Dovresti parlare in inglese, però.
 
sbi
Would make a nice room motto, though. Too bad the puppy's disabled. He'd so done that.
 
Figo! parlano anche in italiano :)
 
nah, that was probably what most would expect but I was actually referring to rightfold's tomato salad he made
@Jefffrey I see what you're doing there Rodrigo, ain't gonna work
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey j’aime anchiofish
 
9:36 PM
Eppure non sembrerebbe un italiano tradotto da una macchina vedendolo cosi'
 
@İnekŞaban How many languages do you speak?
> Eppure
lol
 
sbi
Yawn. I think I'll go to bed. No need to watch you feeding. I had my share (for the pirate: part of that company) of trolls on Usenet, back when.
 
@Jefffrey +1
 
@Jefffrey Italian (also many dialects), Turkish, Dutch (brabaantse dialect too haha), English, French, a little German, Romanian, Arabic and a little Russian
 
Inek!
 
user1804599
9:38 PM
@İnekŞaban Your name reminds me of the phrase “inek sikter lan” some guy in high school sometimes used. No idea what it means.
 
sing to me in Romanian
 
@İnekŞaban da's toch nie te geleuve!
 
@İnekŞaban Nice. Can you do the "veneto" dialect?
Just one phrase?
 
user1804599
sehe knows which languages I know.
 
too many
 
9:39 PM
and by sing I mean talk
 
It's just because I switched many countries in my life :)
@AlexM. Haha nu stiu :(
 
Stop switching countries!
They're getting confused
 
@İnekŞaban 4/10, zi mai multe
 
user1804599
Ah, it means something like “fucking cows.”
 
@Jefffrey No but I know Roman, Sardinian, Sicilian, Milanese
 
user1804599
9:40 PM
I wonder what happens when you put a J in front of it. :)
 
@İnekŞaban I see.
 
@rightfold hmph
 
@rightfold It means something along the lines of "Fuck you geek!"
xD
 
for a moment I wanted to teach you how to speak the language of love
 
in turkish
 
9:41 PM
but you left me for jeffrey
have fun talking in haskell or w/e
 
Nice :P
 
user1804599
@AlexM. DO IIIT
 
@AlexM. no need :)
 
Inek really means cow
 
user1804599
Go to India and you’ll be sacred.
 
9:41 PM
but a popular film changed its meaning to "geek"
hahaha yeah xD
 
1 hour ago, by Cat Plus Plus
@melak47 They meant to be generated
 
user1804599
Eva Inek is een lompe koe.
 
Zo opmerkzaam
 
user1804599
Geez that was the worst TV show I’ve ever watched.
 
Ja echt he :P
 
user1804599
9:43 PM
Zo links als mijn rukarm.
 
Maybe one day I'll travel to asia and learn some asiatic languages, who knows
 
/admin-hat-on: This is indeed an English spoken chat room. We should probably try not to alienate too many regulars by talking gibberish all the time
@rightfold That couldn't go /down/ well on with Bram, then, clearly
 
Yep, better we keep speaking on english, you're right :)
 
/gentleman-hat-on: forsooth
 
Oh, I love a little diversion, but I thought I'd point it out, before someone else needed to
 
user1804599
9:45 PM
@İnekŞaban I want to learn Hebrew or Korean.
 
oshit
drugs time
 
user1804599
Hangul best alphabet.
 
@rightfold Hebrew seems to be easier than Korean and is similar to Arabic
And isn't it the second language of Joel Spolsky or am I wrong?
 
user1804599
I couldn’t care less about Spolsky.
 
Hehe :P
He's a co-founder of SE :P
 
9:49 PM
we should pay tribute
 
we know
 
Wish I knew coding like I speak languages. I started real coding 2 years ago :/
 
I am fluent in smart.
 
I'm not disappointed with the results but I could be faster
 
I'm still not convinced about your Romanian
but I'll leave it at that
 
9:50 PM
also
could one of you owners (whores) please cancel those stars?
8
 
@sehe Are you fluent in gibberish?
 
@DeadMG what stars?
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I am
 
oh
 
Starwars
 
9:51 PM
puppy is so mad
sooo maad
 
@AlexM. Oh, romaneasca mea nu est mult bun :(
 
Starblocked
 
It's just that I learned something from a Romanian friend :P
 
@İnekŞaban 3/10, n-ai injurat suficient
 
haha lol Alex :P
 
9:52 PM
I've starred this one:
8 mins ago, by sehe
/admin-hat-on: This is indeed an English spoken chat room. We should probably try not to alienate too many regulars by talking gibberish all the time
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun La. laken ana btklm fil 3arabi
Oops sorry jefrrey :/
 
@sehe :<
 
@İnekŞaban Is that Egyptian Arabic? c:
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Yes :)
 
user1804599
@AlexM. Good night!
 
user1804599
9:53 PM
@Jefffrey Good night!
 
Which country are you from Mohammed?
 
night
 
Good night rightfold
 
I'm better at C++ than I am at Arabic
 
9:54 PM
@rightfold sleep tight
 
Cool!
 
I'm better at Java than I am at Arabic :<
 
Hehehe I will marry an arabic girl in the future
 
It's okay sehe, we love you unconditionally
 
I'm better at Python than I am in English
 
9:54 PM
wait- did you say Java?
 
I didn't marry a Javan girl, mind you
 
user1804599
sehe, you are confused. Java has no :<. Scala has >:.
 
user1804599
Go to sleep.
 
^
 
"Lebanese girls sprint to third base and stay there"
 
user1804599
9:55 PM
Dutch girls sprint to their beds bye
 
@rightfold hmph img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/… good night.
 
Turkish girls don't sprint, it's the sprint who girls them
 
user1804599
Sprinting in a robe is difficult.
 
I never exercise the extra languages I know and as a result all of them are broken so I can't really say I know how to speak anything other than Romanian and English
my English is pretty broken too because the only exercise I get is internet interaction w/o other people
 
@AlexM. Go live in the USA or United Kingdom.. or even Australia :P
 
9:59 PM
Ok, guys. Time for bed. See you around
 
No effort needed there :)
 

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